Rudd challenges

June 26th, 2013 at 2:55 pm by David Farrar

’s supporters have started to circulate a petition calling for a leadership spill. This means he has agreed to challenge .

This shows the extent of his lust for power, that he will break his word so brazenly.

After his first challenge against Gillard he vowed to stop undermining her and that he would not challenge again. He lied.

After he backed off his second challenge, he said he will never ever be a candidate for the leadership again under any circumstances.

It looks like it will be a close vote. The unions are heaving people to vote for Gillard.

If Rudd wins, I expect Labor will get a boost in the polls. But I doubt it will last very long. It may help them lose by a lesser amount, but they will still lose I’d say.

And if Rudd does win, and loses at the general election, will he be kept on as opposition leader or will they roll him straight after the election?

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31 Responses to “Rudd challenges”

  1. kowtow (6,694 comments) says:

    And then politicians wonder why they’re held in such contempt.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-2346217/Tyrannies-world-crushing-dissent-In-Britain-West-contempt-political-class-growing-Is-possible-democracy-dying.html

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  2. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    There’s too many Labor MP’s with their seats on the line to keep Gillard. Rudd might not do any better in the long run, but he could hardly do worse.

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  3. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Damn good article Kowtow, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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  4. anonymouse (651 comments) says:

    If Rudd wins, I expect Labor will get a boost in the polls.

    If he was honourable than he would dissolve parliament and call a snap election, (The GG might even do it for him, if he is unable to assure her he has the numbers to govern)

    It is doubtful he would survive a no confidence vote in the house ( but Abbot is unlikely to call for one as he knows the longer labour twist in the wind the better he looks)

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  5. kiwiincanberra (4 comments) says:

    In regards to your last paragraph the answer is obvious.
    When Labor lose (and they will, badly) they will keep Kevin on. Like David they have no choice as there is no one to replace him! Most other decent candidates are likely to lose their seats on current polling

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  6. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    And then politicians wonder why they’re held in such contempt

    Hastings is wrong. It’s not the politicians’ fault. The Internet has changed politics. Before, they could get on with the job and most of us knew so little that divisions in society mattered a lot less. Now everyone can see what’s going on. It has always been impossible for any governing class to please a lot of people. Now we just know that.

    Democracy does not work as advertised. There is no such thing as the general will, and no way of aggregating individual preferences into a collective preference. Political scientists have known this for ages, but it is kept quiet because democracy is our civic religion. Politicians can’t do what the people want because there is no such thing as “what the people want”. The Marquis de Condorcet and other logicians proved this a long time ago.

    It silly to be mad with politicians because democracy isn’t what people think it is. That’s just childish.

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  7. Sidey (230 comments) says:

    The Independants continue to hold the key. Two have announced today they will retire at the next election (Windsor & Oakeshott). Mad Katter has stated Rudd shouldn’t take his support as granted. So Rudd could secure the leadership, but not automatically the PM’ship if the GG decides Labor can’t govern.

    To make it even more interesting, one of the senior Labor ministers has the GG as his mother-in-law. Future family Xmas dinners could be interesting!

    Politics here in Aus is great as a spectator sport. They’re a right feral bunch, insults flow freely, half of them (on one side anyway, but not exclusively) seem to have rather “interesting” financial backgrounds which on occasion unravel rather spectacularly.

    It feels like Rudd has been backed into a corner; break his promise and act now (and probably be toast come September), or wait until the dust settles post-election, and rise like a phoenix to the adoration of the country (in his mind), and cop the blame for not avoiding armageddon. Tony Abbott has been noticeably absent of late, smart move. He’s liked more when people don’t see him, so good strategy to wait in the wings while Labor self-destructs.

    Great times!

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  8. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    I cannot really understand why Rudd would even entertain the idea of moving now , unless he thinks he would not have chance of being made leader after an ALP defeat at the elections. But even if he goes now, they would probably boot him out after an election defeat. It seems he is in a lose – lose situation.

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  9. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “It silly to be mad with politicians because democracy isn’t what people think it is. That’s just childish.”

    You’re full of bullshit as usual Tom. The problem is the the huge over-reach of government. Under the influence of the progressives its size and interference in our day to day lives has grown far behind that which was intended.

    I don’t mind government too much. Its big government that pisses me off, and the undemocratic control of our culture by that big government and its cowardly scuttling progressive media cronies. You and they are trying your best to de-legitimise anyone who does not agree with you. Totalitarian big government anti-democratic scum. That is the problem.

    (Another part of it- I don’t know a leftist who doesn’t absolutely reek of ugly arrogance and a doesn’t wear a thick layer of “we know best” smugness. They just piss people off. Gillard and her collection of cowardly arse licking gutter crawling suckholes especially.)

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  10. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Kevin Rudd’s supporters have started to circulate a petition calling for a leadership spill.

    After his first challenge against Gillard he vowed to stop undermining her and that he would not challenge again. He lied.

    After he backed off his second challenge, he said he will never ever be a candidate for the leadership again under any circumstances.

    But I’m not CHALLENGING Gillard for the role!

    If I have “supporters” who wish for me to lead, then that is just a cross I have to bear…

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  11. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    You’re full of bullshit as usual Tom.

    Nope. Read up on it yourself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_paradox

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem

    A popular summary:

    http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~jheath/Oldch11.pdf

    But why listen to widely accepted claims from some of the world’s finest mathematicians when we could ponder the wisdom of Tauranga’s own Russell Fletcher?

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  12. mara (639 comments) says:

    Show me one progressive Western leader who understands the reality of common sense. There isn’t one. So the bollocks goes on and on.

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  13. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Wikipedia is a useless resource for things political.

    The problem nutshelled is that progressives are.trying to destroy our traditional culture and they were well on the way to succeeding in that objective because they had manouvered and plotted and worked hard to ensure that the opposition was denied a voice.

    Then along came the internet and that monopoly on the political conversation was broken.

    You are merely trying to distract from the point that the left were well on the way to merging their totalitarian politics and our culture and the internet has stopped that momentum and may even turn it around.

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  14. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Sorry, wrote the above on a phone, but what I should have added is that of course the issue you initially raised is relevant, and the theory does apply, but its just not the full reason for the widespread discontent today. Its only a very small part of it.

    The left is trying to shove cultural change down people’s throats and claiming majority support gives them licence to do this. In fact that majority support is a fantasy, but until the internet arrived it was difficult to expose it as such. Now we have the internet, its easy to see that the left’s majority is a fiction, and as more and more people call the left’s bluff, the further they fall into political disarray.

    You are seeing a rising discontent with the left as the internet makes more and more people aware that they were not alone in disagreeing with the left, and that the left’s ideas are not as universally popular as they pretend.

    Momentum is growing for a complete rejection of progressive politics (and politicians) as more and more people come to the realisation that their policies are behind most of the social degradation of the last few decades.

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  15. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Anyway, right now its looking like Rudd has the day and Gillard and seven of her equally odious Ministers will go.

    (at least they said they wouldn’t serve under Rudd, but given they’re leftists, I guess their word is pretty much worthless)

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  16. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Momentum is growing for a complete rejection of progressive politics

    Reddy do you mean the Colon Gwaig retarded socialist christian party? The swing to the Christstain retards is startling they even managed to actually register in the latest poll

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  17. dave53 (53 comments) says:

    Watching this live on ABC24. Thanks Slingshot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. YesWeDid (1,002 comments) says:

    ‘You are seeing a rising discontent with the left as the internet makes more and more people aware that they were not alone in disagreeing with the left, and that the left’s ideas are not as universally popular as they pretend.’

    @ Redbaiter – The internet has allowed the 0.001% of the population that agree with your ultra right wing conspiracy theories to have a platform. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that your bile is popular or has influence, outside the tiny clique of Kiwiblog your laughed at.

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  19. Andronicus (185 comments) says:

    Politicians always lie about their leadership intentions.

    Labor’s problem is voters like Rudd, but no-one can work with him. He is a foul tempered, potty mouthed micromanager.

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  20. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Yes we did

    Even within the tiny clique of KB he is still the joke.

    His only position of influence is his famous blog.

    Sycophantic arse licking for conservonutters

    AKA true blue.

    Motto : If you run you will only die stoned, arse raped and married to the same sex.

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  21. Andronicus (185 comments) says:

    Every blog has to put up with a Red Baiter or two. They’re like cockroachches, impossible to wipe out, a bloody nuisance, but harmless.

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  22. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    The Age is reporting Rudd has the numbers this time. The positive is the Gillard gender war would be over; the negative is Labor would get over 30%.

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  23. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    KEY POINTS:
    PM calls leadership ballot for 7pm
    Rudd says he will challenge
    Both Gillard and Rudd say they will quit if they lose
    Possible outcome is installation of Abbott as PM
    Independents Oakeshott and Windsor quit

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-june-26-2013-20130626-2ovyx.html#ixzz2XJGU7ZTY

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  24. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    And Shorten switches to Rudd camp. Gillard is gone.

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  25. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    Between 55 and 60 will vote Rudd, according to Rudd supporters, who have been wrong before.

    God this is a debacle. Even NZ Labour aren’t this bad (admittedly they have more ludicrous policies than Aus Labor though).

    Result within 15 minutes. It better be, State of Origin coverage comes on in 18.

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  26. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    Herald-Sun reporting Rudd has won

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  27. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    This has caused the State of Origin coverage to be delayed in Aus. Labor is toast in Qld and NSW now.

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  28. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    Ballot is for Kevin Rudd 57 – 45

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  29. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    57-45 Rudd. Gillard will get the sympathy and blame men everywhere

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  30. double d (219 comments) says:

    wonder if this has Messrs Robertson/Cunliffe pondering this turn of events…..
    nothing nastier or more treacherous than Labour/Labor career pollies!

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  31. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    Gillard gets the blame for two of Rudds own disastrous policies; carbon tax, and boat people incentives.

    Perhaps this was the plan all along?

    Anyway, worst government ever.

    carbon tax
    boat people policies (killed 1000 people, yay compassion!)
    Indonesian cattle trade policy
    mining tax (raised no money)
    media gag laws
    internet filtering
    pink batts (killed the industry)
    school hall drive (pointless spend)
    subsidies to car manufacturers
    cash for clunkers (where did that go?)
    aboriginal policy (sure they said Sorry, but didnt do much else, yay compassion!)
    NBN (let to blow outs begin!)
    National disability insurance that no one can afford.

    And thats before even thinking about all the failed political strategies; PM as the victim, then as the fiesty woman, then as the victim again, 457 bigotry…

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