Substitutes for sex

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Christian schools say it’s hardly surprising they think students should have a burping contest instead of having .

Christian Schools Australia CEO Steve O’Doherty says horse riding, eating something new, blowing bubbles and playing ball without the ball are all better options than doing the deed.

They were among a “101 things to do instead of doing it” pamphlet which was recently given to out to students at Caloundra Christian College in Queensland.

I’m all for burping contests, but I don’t think most people see them as a substitute for sex. You could however combined them with sex, but best to make sure all parties agree first :-)

SOME SUGGESTIONS A QUEENSLAND CHRISTIAN SCHOOL GAVE STUDENTS TO DO INSTEAD OF SEX:     

*Blow bubbles in the park

*Pretend you’re six again

*Look at clouds and see what you can make them into

*Surprise your parents by cleaning the house

*Have a water fight

*Go fruit picking

*Go to Macca’s in formals

*Make lunch for the elderly

*Share a drink with two straws

*Visit the RSPCA

*Have a burping contest

If I was a student at a school that gave me this, I think we’d turn it into a challenge to see how many of them can be done (barring the 2nd one)  at the same time as sex. I could just see students ticking them all off to see who can do all 101.

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102 Responses to “Substitutes for sex”

  1. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “If I was a student at a school that gave me this, I think we’d turn it into a challenge to see how many of them can be done (barring the 2nd one) at the same time as sex.”

    So young school kids being sexually promiscuous is not something you perceive as a social problem Mr. Farrar?

    Maybe if you were the father of a young daughter you might think differently.

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  2. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Ya what!? Pretend ya six again!…no wonder people turn their backs on Christianity..how ridiculous..me thinks that man needs to get out more.

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  3. DylanReeve (166 comments) says:

    The list is an absurd idea. It’s not as if young people are choosing to have sex simply because they’re bored. It’s fun and their hormones are screaming at them.

    If DPF was the father of a young daughter I suspect he’d realise that he’s not going to be able to simply stop her from having sex. He’d probably realise that the best idea is to make her aware of the issues involved and ensure that she knows that she can say no.

    No amount of fear-mongering, lying or distracting is going to stop teenagers from having sex. The only rational approach is to ensure they know what’s at stake and how to protect themselves.

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  4. DylanReeve (166 comments) says:

    It’s also worth noting that almost all the suggestions on the list become excellent euphemisms for sex if you simply add “…if you know what I mean” to the end.. .

    “Hey, lets share a drink with two straws… if you know what I mean”

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  5. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    *Pretend you’re six again

    said the priest to the student

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  6. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    *Share a drink with two straws

    advocating felching

    *Visit the RSPCA

    advocating beastiality

    *Have a water fight

    advocating golden showers

    What sort of sick bastards are running this school?

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  7. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Here’s what was also said about CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS:

    “……..Mr O’Doherty said that while abstinence was the preferred option for children and teenagers, Christian schools taught a healthy message about sex. …….”We teach kids about safe sex, we teach them about the dangers of sexually transmitted diseases and what you need to do protect yourself against them,” he said. …….”But we tell the full story too – there are emotional dangers in committing yourself to a sexual relationship and the best way to protect yourself medically and emotionally is abstinence.”

    What’s the progs message again? – “Consenting adults arn’t hurting anyone else.”

    LOL – look at the disease rates amongst gay ‘men’ – 70+%! :cool:

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  8. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    These people should not have access to children !

    Anyone with these sort of distorted views about sexuality is very likely to be sexually deviant. I do not believe the children are safe with these people.

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  9. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    Just ask the students to read Miss Dim unadulterated crap. All sexual desire is killed on the spot.

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  10. Michael (909 comments) says:

    Dylan you have a filthy, filthy mind – I like it! :-)

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  11. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…..Anyone with these sort of distorted views about sexuality is very likely to be sexually deviant. I do not believe the children are safe with these people….”

    Are you saying that when males get a ‘hard on’ they should then ALWAYS have sex? – be serious!

    Kea – read it before you comment.

    “101 things to do INSTEAD of doing it” or as DPF titled it “….Substitutes for sex…”

    Yes…..sometimes I do blow the froth of beer instead of having sex! :cool:

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  12. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Are you saying that when males get a ‘hard on’ they should then ALWAYS have sex? – be serious!

    Harrriet, Where did I say that? Why the lies ?

    Here is what I said:

    Kea (5,351) Says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    These people should not have access to children !

    Anyone with these sort of distorted views about sexuality is very likely to be sexually deviant. I do not believe the children are safe with these people.

    You just made a fool of yourself and shown how you are willing to lie to defend religious perverts. And they are perverts. Just look at their view of normal healthy sexuality and how immature and childish their suggestions are. They are red flags warning of kiddy fuckers. But of course they have people like YOU to defend them, just as your type always have.

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  13. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    Redbaiter Says:
    “So young school kids being sexually promiscuous is not something you perceive as a social problem Mr. Farrar?

    Maybe if you were the father of a young daughter you might think differently.”

    I am the father of three young daughters and I would be utterly appalled if this loopy nonsense was being foisted on them in place of contemporary sex education.

    Once again, Redbaiter, you demonstrate a limited understanding of contemporary norms.

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  14. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    You’re ridiculing people for trying to encourage people who are not of the age of consent to refrain from sex?? Not thinking premarital sex is wrong is one thing, but actually ridiculing people who think otherwise rather takes my breath away!

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  15. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    Yoza and all the other progs speaking as one as usual.

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  16. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Aredhel777, I will assume you are addressing me. I am not ridiculing people for opposing premarital sex. I am expressing concern about sexual deviant people having access to vulnerable kids. Christian organisations have a sorry history of this sort of thing. They have displayed a profound ignorance of human sexuality and that indicates deeper problems.

    My personal view is that sexual promiscuity is a big problem in our society and on that point there is common ground.

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  17. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “Christian organisations have a sorry history of this sort of thing. ”

    Nowhere near as bad as secular schools but of course that wouldn’t concern a bigoted prog troll like you would it?

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  18. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Yoza, we better not tell Red how those sexually oppressed Christian kids really behave when they think they can get away with it. It would be more than he could bear ;)

    Let us not forget Red was a big Graham Capill supporter.

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  19. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Nowhere near as bad as secular schools

    In secular schools boy and girls do what nature intended. In religious schools the kids are often raped by the teachers, sometimes by homosexual pedos.

    See the difference, or do you need me to explain it to you some more ?

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  20. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Kea#

    “……Are you saying that when males get a ‘hard on’ they should then ALWAYS have sex? – be serious!…………Harrriet, Where did I say that? Why the lies ?…..”

    Kea stop being your usual stupid self – it was a question asked of you- it has a question mark!

    The school produced a list:

    “101 things to do INSTEAD of doing it”

    And here is your silly reply to that:

    “……And they are perverts. Just look at their view of normal healthy sexuality and how immature and childish their suggestions are. They are red flags warning of kiddy fuckers. But of course they have people like YOU[harriet] to defend them, just as your type always have……”

    FFS Kea…..personal constraint is a part of sexuality…..going about with ‘gay abandon’ gives you a 70% chance of catching a sexual disease[less so with teenage hetrosexuality - but still high rates of disease]…..catching sexual diseases is not having a ‘responsable’ attitude to sex, nor is it a ‘normal’ part of having sex!

    ‘Substitutes for sex’ are taken up by EVERYONE in society. No one has sex EVERYTIME they have a ‘natural urge’ to have sex. – Or do you think that rapists only get a hard on once or twice a year?

    Do you not believe mums and dads when they say ‘the tv is sexualizing their children’?

    Do you really think that R18 porn should be on tv for 11- 12 ylds? If so why so?

    And besides:

    YOU USE KB 24/7 AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR SEX! :cool: :cool: :cool:

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  21. DavidR (102 comments) says:

    Harriet @ 12.08pm “LOL – look at the disease rates amongst gay ‘men’ – 70+%!”

    Sorry? Where’d you get that figure from? Your backside?

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  22. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “Let us not forget Red was a big Graham Capill supporter.”

    A demonstration of just how little honour and self respect your average prog possesses.

    A cowardly lie and smear such as the above will drip from their lips as easy as a smile.

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  23. mandk (993 comments) says:

    @ Yoza,
    But do you actually know what your daughters are being taught about sex by their peers and their schools?
    14 year old girls are repressed or frigid because they don’t want sex.
    If a 14 year old girl gets pregnant by an older boy /young adult, she can have an abortion without her parents even being told.
    Anything goes, as long as you use a condom.
    O, brave new world!

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  24. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Harriet… oh it was a “question”… I see.

    Here is my answer: NO.

    “Do you not believe mums and dads when they say ‘the tv is sexualizing their children’?”

    It is a matter of evidence not belief. Show me the evidence and I will provide an answer.

    “Do you really think that R18 porn should be on tv for 11- 12 ylds? If so why so?”

    NO. Most kids have access to the internet so the mild porn they would show on TV would bore them.

    “YOU USE KB 24/7 AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR SEX! ”

    You wish. I have managed to have sex, go for a run up a mountain into the snow, eat curry and rice, in between restoring some reason among the deluge of god botherers this morning. You probably spent most of the day on your knees begging forgiveness for admiring the neighbors ass. ;)

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  25. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (3,533) Says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    “Let us not forget Red was a big Graham Capill supporter.”

    A demonstration of just how little honour and self respect your average prog possesses.

    A cowardly lie and smear such as the above will drip from their lips as easy as a smile.

    Gosh I am sorry Red if I “offended” you.

    Why did you not support your fellow conservative, christian, police officer, who represented all the things you care about ? Why why why ?

    I think your full of shit and he is exactly the sort of politician you do support.

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  26. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    “Nowhere near as bad as secular schools but of course that wouldn’t concern a bigoted prog troll like you would it?”

    Yep, nothing wrong at all with religious schools teaching hatred, racism and intolerance is there Bedwetter.

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  27. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…….Abortion is legal in New Zealand throughout pregnancy under the grounds of mental and physical health or when there is a serious threat to the life of the mother.
    There are further grounds for abortion if under 20 weeks, which include rape and incest, intellectual disability of the mother, physical or intellectual disability of the unborn child.
    97.6% of all abortions performed in 2011 were solely on the grounds of “danger to mental health.”

    Numerous studies have linked abortion to a greater incidence of anxiety, illicit drug use, suicidal behaviour and other mental health issues.
    One of the most recent studies from New Zealand concluded:
    “The growing evidence suggesting that abortion does not have therapeutic benefits cannot be ignored indefinitely, and it is unacceptable for clinicians to authorize large numbers of abortions on grounds for which there is, currently, no scientific evidence”….”

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-zealand-abortions-decline-for-the-5th-consecutive-year

    The Christian Aussies & Kiwis take a serious view of the welfare of teenage girls – unlike the Godless Kiwi Progs! :cool:

    Progreesive kiwi women are the useful idiots – fucked by their own side till they kill! :cool:

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  28. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Red is correct. In the last 7 years there have been 80 accusations of sexual impropriety against priests in the USA. In 2012, there were over 4000 similar accusations in the New York public school system alone.

    Most of the soft core atheism seen on forums such is this is not really “atheism” It is a facile hostility to the ethical restraints that religious belief places on one’s desire to seek self-gratification – of any form.

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  29. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Numerous studies have linked abortion to a greater incidence of anxiety, illicit drug use, suicidal behaviour and other mental health issues.

    Is the anxiety due to followers of Middle Eastern desert cults trying to lay a guilt trip on them ?

    Or is it simply because it is a hard decision for a woman to make and one she takes very seriously ?

    Women do not need religious nutters telling them abortion is a big deal. They know that better than you do.

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  30. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Urban Redneck, Atheism is not a belief system. You can not make any predictions about a persons beliefs on any issue on the basis they are atheists. It is not a statement or a position about anything. It is the default setting you are born with.

    I regard the very name atheist as redundant and silly and it assumes a god to not believe in, in the first place. We do not say people are atheists if they do not believe in the tooth fairy. You are an atheist about every god invented, except your own. I am simply an atheist about one more god than you. For me it is simply about the truth. I have seen no evidence of a god. What would you have me do, lie about that ?

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  31. mandk (993 comments) says:

    Harriet @ 1.52,
    DPF recently blogged about most abortions being permitted on mental health grounds, despite the fact that abortion tends to be associated with damage to mental health.
    Absurdly, however, his solution was to permit abortion more-or-less on demand.
    The result, of course, would be more pre-born babies being killed and more mental health problems.
    We truly live in a world where good is called evil, and evil is called good.

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  32. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    It’s funny how our nations youth sexuality problems just magically go away with a bit of Christian bashing! it’s so much easier than recognizing the appalling problem we have and actually finding real solutions! ;)

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  33. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “……Urban Redneck, Atheism is not a belief system…..”

    Kea is about to prove that God doesn’t exist!

    “…..It[Atheism] is the default setting you are born with….”

    Kea is then going to prove that humans are born ‘soul less’!

    “…You are an atheist about every god invented, except your own…”

    Urban Redneck has never said that other Gods may or may not exist – other than his own. People belief in their own God for their own reasons.Others do likewise.

    “…..I have seen no evidence of a god….”

    And finally….Kea is going to define what the ‘evidence’ of God’s existance or non existance is!

    This will be a laugh. :cool:

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  34. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Harriet:

    1. It is up to the person making the claim [there is a god] to provide proof. I am waiting …

    2. The only reason you are a christian is because some Roman ruler demanded that it be so. If he had demanded Taoism be spread through out the empire, you would be a Taoist. As it was, he decided it would be some cult from the Middle East. It was not spread to save the souls of the people, but as an effective way to control and exercise power over the subject population.

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  35. Sadu (129 comments) says:

    choking it. flogging it. juicing it. or for girls, flicking the bean or rocking the little man in the boat.
    these are valid substitutes for sex.
    everything else in that list, not so much.

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  36. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Sadu, but those things are sinful and will cause blindness and make baby jesus cry !!!

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  37. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    And finally….Kea Harriet is going to define what the ‘evidence’ of God’s the Tooth Fairy/Thor/Oden/Vishnu/Magic Dragons existance or non existance is!

    This will be a laugh.

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  38. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    @DavidR (95) Says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Harriet @ 12.08pm “LOL – look at the disease rates amongst gay ‘men’ – 70+%!”

    Sorry? Where’d you get that figure from? Your backside?

    David, I do not know if Harriet’s figure of 70+% is accurate but her general point is that the rate STDs including HIV is many times high amongst homosexual men than amongst normal folk. Do you dispute this fact?

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  39. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    In the meantime, the breakdown of the family and marriage and historic sexual norms means that 20% of pregnancies in New Zealand at the moment are resulting in abortion. You idiots. Can’t you see you’re destroying your own culture?

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  40. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Aredhel777 , those are valid points. But you do not need to reference the scribblings of ancient desert cults to advance that cause. Stick with what is real and you will be taken seriously.

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  41. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    Aredhel777 , those are valid points. But you do not need to reference the scribblings of ancient desert cults to advance that cause. Stick with what is real and you will be taken seriously.

    I don’t believe I mentioned the Bible in this thread. I have adopted my current set of sexual norms because it is obvious to me that a family orientated culture is most conducive to human thriving. The feminists tend to just shove their heads in the sand and ignore the fact that, say, Russia’s population is in a state of collapse because these ideas have been around over there for a little bit longer than here.

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  42. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “I don’t believe I mentioned the Bible in this thread.”

    You don’t have to. Like most mentally disordered atheists, he’s obsessed with it. Generally, any thread they’re on tends to go that way.

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  43. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Aredhel777, I agree entirely regarding family culture and the role of feminists. I do not think Russia is a great example though. They take their religion and tradition pretty seriously there. The problem is raging alcoholism on an epic scale, drug abuse, lack of opportunity and a generally depressed outlook. The country is also run by organised criminal gangs. It was better under communism for most of the poor buggers.

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  44. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “it’s so much easier than recognizing the appalling problem we have and actually finding real solutions! ”

    To mock and sneer and ridicule. Something the progs long to be good at.

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  45. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    Aredhel777, I agree entirely regarding family culture and the role of feminists. I do not think Russia is a great example though. They take their religion and tradition pretty seriously there. The problem is raging alcoholism on an epic scale, drug abuse, lack of opportunity and a generally depressed outlook. The country is also run by organised criminal gangs. It was better under communism for most of the poor buggers.

    Wow, I think I just agreed with you for the first time on here. :v But, I do disagree about Russia being a particularly religious country. Sure, the Orthodox church has some presence there, but it’s mostly irreligious (I mean, atheistic communism dominated the place for 70 years.) Not that I think that all atheists are communists of course or that atheism necessarily leads to an anti-family culture… it’s so easy for people to get the wrong end of the stick on here, don’t get the wrong idea.

    But that doesn’t really matter. If you don’t like the Russian example, scrap it. Point still stands.

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  46. UpandComer (536 comments) says:

    So, these kids are under the age of consent, but this is silly? Yeah, that’s a dumb viewpoint. Some school just does something to push back against the absolute ubiquitous pressure/expectation/formula re sex, and it gets ridiculed on a conservative tinged website. That’s fucking retarded really. They’re not banning condoms, they’re not saying sex isn’t a thing and won’t happen, they’re not issuing chastity rings, yet they get ridiculed. What the fuck?

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  47. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Not that I think that all atheists are communists of course or that atheism necessarily leads to an anti-family culture… it’s so easy for people to get the wrong end of the stick on here, don’t get the wrong idea.

    Yet the Russian experience is in fact a magnificent example of what certain political ideologies to to a nation over time. The liberal progressives pass Laws screwing with all and sundry and mockingly exclaim “see, nothing bad happened” a mere week later. Any rational person understands that it is the direction a nation travels toward that will ensure it’s survival or demise, and it happens in little steps for better or worse.

    The Russians look on the western world with disbelief.

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  48. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (3,535) Says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    “I don’t believe I mentioned the Bible in this thread.”

    You don’t have to. Like most mentally disordered atheists, he’s obsessed with it. Generally, any thread they’re on tends to go that way.

    Yeah what relevance has the bible to a thread on christian schools !

    What a pathetic angry little prick.

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  49. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…….Aredhel777 , those are valid points. But you do not need to reference the scribblings of ancient desert cults to advance that cause. Stick with what is real and you will be taken seriously….”

    Like evolutionary science Kea?

    Life starts ‘a moment’[if you take time and science seriously and want to argue to the nearest 0.000000000] after conception.

    But girls and young women are not told that they are killing a human life, instead, evolution is swept aside and replaced with a social construct; the progressive belief that life is a ‘choice’ to be based on arbitary matters – like teenage social preferances and holiday advertisments.

    And that is why so many women have LATER ‘regrets’ about abortion – looking back after they have had children they realise that life, feotus, infants, babies, toddlers, children, and even the dreaded teenagers, are not the SAME as a preferred job or holiday!

    And that’s the BIGGEST deceit in the pro abortion arguement:

    That it’s either ONLY ‘a bag of chemicals’ or a ‘foetus’ – but never ever is it the truth – A LIFE FORM which is a feotus, infant, baby, toddler, child, teenager, then adult!

    Pro abortionists are half pregnant! :cool:

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  50. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Anti abortionists are mostly unemployed layabouts who smoke too much.

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  51. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Like evolutionary science Kea?

    No, not like evolutionary science. One is based on evidence and the other faith. (Faith is belief with no evidence.)

    Evolution is a fact. Most of the major chruches accept that. I was an atheist long before I was convinced by evolution. Once I learnt a bit more about it I was convinced… by the evidence.

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  52. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…..I agree entirely regarding family culture and the role of feminists. I do not think Russia is a great example though.The problem is raging alcoholism on an epic scale, drug abuse, lack of opportunity and a generally depressed outlook. ….

    Putin is holding the World Congress on Families in Russia next year. He is also disallowing gay Marriage. He is also strengthening the right for people to practice orthodox Christianity, and he is cracking down on Muslim extremism.
    Why – for one thing the population has declined.

    Obama on the other hand is pro abortion, pro gay, anti Marriage, anti family, and anti religion.

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  53. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Harriet, yes that makes my point. Traditional Russian society is pretty conservative, but they have serious social problems there. The population issue is believed to be caused by the alcoholism. Russian men live surprisingly short lives due to the drink. It is creating a big demographic problem. I was just learning about it last week.

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  54. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Obviously the school heard of the South Auckland remedy for unwanted pregnancy?
    A poster of Hellen Clarke smiling down on you from the ceiling means you can have sex,but you wont ever ejaculate!!

    Thanks Hellen.

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  55. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The problem is raging alcoholism on an epic scale, drug abuse, lack of opportunity and a generally depressed outlook.

    kea I thought you were discussing the Catholic Church then I realised it was Russia you were talking about, oodles of similarities though………………….

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  56. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Mmm, right after the discussion about Helen and ejaculate

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  57. lilman (959 comments) says:

    expat thats sad

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  58. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    All this confusion….perhaps I can help. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2m20yaq8txlgra/Christianity%20explained.jpg

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  59. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    nasska, are you burping and blowing bubbles tonight ?

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  60. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Well Kea….I was thinking more along having a water fight right after I visit the RSPCA. On the other hand I might just have a look at a photo of Dear Leader & put the whole problem to rest for a week or so. :)

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  61. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    mandk (251) Says: 1:44 pm

    “@ Yoza,
    But do you actually know what your daughters are being taught about sex by their peers and their schools?
    14 year old girls are repressed or frigid because they don’t want sex.
    If a 14 year old girl gets pregnant by an older boy /young adult, she can have an abortion without her parents even being told.
    Anything goes, as long as you use a condom.
    O, brave new world!

    Well thought out sex education programs should act as a counter to the misinformed yarns kids would pick up in the school yard from their peers. Not having competently presented sex education programs to counter the misinformed stories of our young kids in the school yard – not to mention the sexualisation of the young in the corporate media – would be the more dangerous option.

    I can’t be there, holding my daughters’ hands 24/7 through their teenage years. So I am glad that I live in a country where steps are taken to ensure, as best they can, that when the time comes my daughters will probably make an informed decision that would not lead to negative consequences at a later date.

    Preaching abstinence to teenagers is just plain delusional.

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  62. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Bejeasus…I never thought I would find myself agreeing with Yoza….

    Be careful Russell…people will think you are a silly old coot with a bunch of obsessions and no sense either of perspective or humour….

    Well here’s my two cents…I AM a father, of a scaringly attractive girl/woman of 11 going on 25…I expect the bees to start buzzing around the honey jar any day….and there isn’t a damn thing I can do about that…but what I CAN do is tell my daughter about the shit – in every sense of the word – that is out there, and make sure she knows she has choices about what she does…and that those choices have consequences…

    The other thing I WILL do, when the situation arises, is make damn sure that any of those bees who get close to her know that if anything happens to my daughter while in their company that she didnt want to happen, very bad things are likely to happen to them…what else can you do?

    Up in Tonga my wife used to laugh uproariously every time one of the “good girls” who looked down on her so condescendingly got pregnant…and they did, all the time….It didn’t matter how white the “sunday best” dress was, how many times a week they went to church, or how closely the brothers kept an eye on them…and believe me, there is no closer scrutiny than that of a couple of Tongan brothers…siblings I mean, not repressed units in black cassocks…

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  63. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Did you know that the Catholic church has made an exception to the rule of priestly celibacy? Apparently priests in hot countries like Tonga are not required to be celibate for cultural reasons…. and because its very hot, and people in hot countries are more passionate….well, that’s what a priest told one of my very attractive Tongan secretaries…but then this is an outfit that shielded a priest in Boston who told altar boys that giving father a blow job, and the result, was just another way of receiving the blessed sacrament….oh how I wish I was making that up…

    Oh, and the clown earlier (cant be bothered scrolling back) who said there were “only” 80 complaints of sexual offending by catholic clergy as against 700 in the New York (was it?) school system…I failed school C maths, but even I can see that those numbers are totally meaningless unless we know the total number of pupils in each system…I suspect that there was a helluva lot more than 10 times as many pupils in the state secular system than in catholic schools all across the US….does anyone have any idea of the numbers? “N” in each case, you would call it, wouldnt you?

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  64. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Bejeasus…I never thought I would find myself agreeing with Yoza….

    DG are you not worried of becoming a “prog fuckwit” ?

    In my experience jesus in the heart won’t keep atheist Kea out of the pants. In my veiw a realistic and robust education, regarding sexuality, gives a young person the best tools for decision making. They may not make the choices Dad would prefer, but they will have some idea of what they are doing.

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  65. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    The whole Christian approach of demonising sex really doesn’t work. Catholics being the most extreme.

    As a good Catholic boy we knew that the nuns banging on about how evil sex was at the local Catholic girl school meant that it was unusual to lose one’s virginity after the age of 16 as something where so much noise was made about it must be worth trying according to the girls. And …… using a contraceptive was a mortal sin. Getting hold of a condom – “Johnny” in Liverpool parlance – was quite hard work.

    Of course pregnant 16 year olds were the consequence. Classmate of mine screwed (pun intended) his and his girlfriend’s life up that way.

    A surprisingly frank conversation with my mother about “heavy petting” and STDs (she was a nurse) seemed to do the trick with me.

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  66. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    What’s that? About 20 comments from the troll on this thread? About a third all from one narcissistic idiot.

    Garret, you are a prog. Its why you were so easy for the left to defeat. Too many ideological weaknesses. You don’t really know your political arse from your elbow.

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  67. Redbaiter (8,822 comments) says:

    “The whole Christian approach of demonising sex really doesn’t work.”

    What a fucked up perception.

    And the prog view of liberalising it is working so well. Why don’t you fuck off back to mother England? You fucked that country with your idiot ideas. Some of us would prefer it if you didn’t do the same out here.

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  68. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Surely the bottom line is that pregnancy requires a divine spark and is a gift from a magical deity, rather than simply being the result of a particular mechanical act between two people. Ergo teenage girls simply cannot “get pregnant,” even if they have endless unprotected sex with every male in town.

    This is why women who are raped never get pregnant.

    And equally, as we know from the Bible, a girl needn’t have sex in order to become pregnant.

    So it follows that no girl can ever get pregnant unless it is the inevitable requirment of the magical deity’s great plan.

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  69. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Red thanks for taking the time to read my comments and for sharing your erudite observations :)

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  70. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    “Redbaiter (3,538) Says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    “The whole Christian approach of demonising sex really doesn’t work.”

    What a fucked up perception.

    And the prog view of liberalising it is working so well. Why don’t you fuck off back to mother England? You fucked that country with your idiot ideas. Some of us would prefer it if you didn’t do the same out here.”

    Re-read my post – and stop the personal shit. Also do not assume things I did not say.

    Telling children something is bad and they should not do it during most childrens’ rebellious period is pretty dumb. That’s pretty much a challenge to do it. Maybe getting them to understand the consequences means they are more sensible. From what I’ve seen from personal experience in the Catholic religion the demonising approach was less successful than the “do you want to screw over your life approach?”. Getting little booklets telling boys not to w**k and so forth is so dumb for instance.

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  71. kowtow (8,464 comments) says:

    “Contemporary norms”,sick bastards runnninng schools, etc…..It wasn’t that long ago that those Christian schools view were the mainstream but the advance of cultural Marxism is so relentless that sexualising children is the new norm.

    yep the sexualisation of children is a contemporary norm…..as is mocking Christianty

    Isn’t all that sexually transmitted disease,young single mothers,ruined futures,abortions etc just great…..

    Redbaiter as always has the “progressives” sussed and they don’t like it up ‘em,that’s why they rage against him so readily.

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  72. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…..The whole Christian approach of demonising sex really doesn’t work. Catholics being the most extreme….”

    That would have to be the most moronic statement today.

    They do the exact opposite: hold sex up as being of upmost importance.

    It’s the progs who have a poor view of sex – equating it with sodomy and relegating it to the level of paid employment!

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  73. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    ““…..The whole Christian approach of demonising sex really doesn’t work. Catholics being the most extreme….”

    That would have to be the most moronic statement today.”

    I should have said outside of marriage but you know I meant that and decided to ignore it.

    But on that – I listened as a child to my aunts’ conversations around whether they wanted more kids they could not afford or try the Papal roulette of the rhythm method (assuming they could get hubby to go along with it) or use contraceptive and be guilty of a mortal sin. I sat in church and listened to the priest explain how evil contraception was etc

    The Catholic approach to sex is pretty extreme.

    and BTW I don’t agree with single parent families or children having children

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  74. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    Agree with the Christian school. We used to go for a run,also cold showers are good.

    I quite like civilisation. But to have a civilisation you need civilised behaviour. You meet a girl,you get to know each other,you meet the parents,you get engaged,then you get married,then you go to bed together. It does work. Then you have stable families and kids with a future and a decent civilisation.

    So the christian school has it absolutely right.

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  75. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    So how are we going to solve the huge problem of teenage and young adult sexually transmitted disease and psychological harm?

    Because if the Church is wrong, the Liberal progressives have sure as hell proved they’re not right.

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  76. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda, the choices are not between belief in a Middle Eastern desert cult or a free for all. That is a false dichotomy that does not address the real choices.

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  77. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Scott: “Go for a run..have a cold showers” !! Listen to yourself man! Did you ever go to uni? If so, did you happen to notice what half the good catholic girls did when mummy and daddy and “Father” were a couple of hundred miles away? Did you ever pay any attention to the ratio of “good catholic girls” vs “the rest” when it came time to either drop out or require a mysterious operation?

    I didn’t make any of that stuff about Tonga up…and up there it is Victorian England: there are ONLY “good girls” and fallen women… notwithstanding the fire and brimstone from the pulpits and the brothers who literally kill guys who sleep with their sisters, there was (and is) no shortage of good girls in nice white dresses who sing in the choir suddenly getting fat tummies….and not from the taro!

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  78. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    “Too many ideological weaknesses”!!! I have a helluva lot of weaknesses, but I have never been accused of ideological ones…

    “You must resign from parliament immediately for demonstrating ideological weakness”!! I can’t quite see Hide in a big Stalinist moustache and a peaked cap….

    Fuck, Bob Newhart AND Steve Martin together couldn’t write your lines Russell…

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  79. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    I admit it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but if you want to stay STD free & keep onside with the Pope there’s always the three way, DD, deluxe inflatable Sarah Palin sex partner. :)

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  80. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    So how are we going to solve the huge problem of teenage and young adult sexually transmitted disease and psychological harm?

    Because if the Church is wrong, the Liberal progressives have sure as hell proved they’re not right.”

    I would agree – neither work in their fundamental approach to teenage sexuality for different reasons.

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  81. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    At the end of the day, you can always do what I did, educate your kids on sexuality BEFORE the state has a crack at it, it’s great for a laugh as well!

    My kids have no problem (so far) talking to me and the Mrs about sex related issues, and in that regard I hope to be able to have a greater influence over them than our state sanctioned ideologues will.

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  82. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    You may be doing a good job for your offspring Shunda but for some kids what they learn at school is about it….other than a good beating later on when they become a teenage parent.

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  83. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Shunda

    you are dead right, set the tone before the teachers fuck it up . Despite what we think as parents sometimes our kids are not complete morons and if they have been taught properly at home tyhings should be reasonable. The older they get the more I worry about having entrusted them to school teachers for all these years ( I’m serious)

    Just done some 5th form homework with one of mine regarding the 81 Tour. The material he had is so appallingly biased it makes any sort of balanced discussion impossible, just shit.

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  84. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    If so, did you happen to notice what half the good catholic girls did when mummy and daddy and “Father” were a couple of hundred miles away?

    I married a pentecostal pastors daughter, religion does not serve pastors daughters well! :)

    It’s a complicated issue, human sexuality is linked to more than just mutually tickling genitals, and often a girl will rebel against her authority figure(s) at the unfortunate expense of her body and dignity.

    But we don’t need the liberal left complicating things further, their attempts to control discussion and legislation on the issue hasn’t helped anyone and they’ve made things a hell of a lot worse for more than a few.

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  85. Nostalgia-NZ (5,201 comments) says:

    Thank goodness that there are so many experts on substitutes for sex, and that PEB and Shunda are among the numbers who can advise on such issues.

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  86. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    Just done some 5th form homework with one of mine regarding the 81 Tour.

    It is an absolute disgrace how that bit of history has been re-written. The police should have been given medals for their efforts, not painted as the villains !

    I agree that the parents need to take charge of sex education, but anything provided by teachers should be based on fact and not ideology or mysticism.

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  87. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    The internet is a big place to research nostalgia, I’m sure they have made some groundbreaking discoveries.

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  88. Nostalgia-NZ (5,201 comments) says:

    I’ve just read about one expat, it’s called ‘What to do if you get a big boner in the Sandpit.’

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  89. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Thank goodness that there are so many experts on substitutes for sex, and that PEB and Shunda are among the numbers who can advise on such issues.

    So you think my wife and I talking to our kids before the state has a crack is a bad thing? if so, why?

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  90. infused (654 comments) says:

    142: Stick your head in the sand

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  91. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Nostalgia – you tie the camel up first.

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  92. Nostalgia-NZ (5,201 comments) says:

    ‘Midnight at the oasis, send your camel to bed..’

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  93. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Six foot six for you, you prick…(that’s probably not long enough, given you’re even shorter than me)

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  94. Nostalgia-NZ (5,201 comments) says:

    Keep making a dickhead of yourself, it suits you.

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  95. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Ohhh but you’re a brave boy…hiding behind your pseud “somewhere in Auckland”….I have you in my sights son….just like you once did…well, not quite…no sights on a shotty, and it was twice of course, not just the once….

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  96. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Probably a bit late to ring Mummy to come and support you…

    Have you worked out what my “aim” is for you yet, “Big Bri”?

    That pseud of your BTW…what’s it based on? Nostalgia for a time when a life sentence meant only 10 years, and parole was pretty much guaranteed? Not now son…not now….and especially not for you….

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  97. stellah (1 comment) says:

    Oh dear
    Excuse for;
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/rabbi-young-boys-may-have-consented-to-sex-20130622-2opkf.html
    But Goyim of low socio-economic deprivation only think about;

    When challenged on his position that young boys could give consent, Rabbi Lesches replied, ”You would be surprised,” and added that some non-Jewish boys, who he termed ”goyim”, began acting or thinking sexually ”from the age of five”. He also said teenagers from poor backgrounds had ”nothing else to do in life, only thinking 24 hours about sex” with each other, members of their own families and even ”dogs”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/rabbi-young-boys-may-have-consented-to-sex-20130622-2opkf.html#ixzz2X2a56sJr

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  98. alex (304 comments) says:

    This thread is spectacular.

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  99. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    I have often found that a secular, humanist and scientific approach to sex and sex ed which removes the stigmatism and “phwoar” effect from the whole subject is far more effective in promoting good sexual behavior. In effect, “thou shall not” is far less viable that “we know you will, now you know that we know, These are the rules of good conduct, and here are the consequences of bad conduct”

    Feel free to bury your head in the sand over this one guys and girls, but my children will learn from my mistakes.

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  100. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Christian Schools Australia CEO Steve O’Doherty says horse riding, eating something new, blowing bubbles and playing ball without the ball are all better options than doing the deed.

    If Mr O’Doherty thinks blowing bubbles is better than sex, then clearly Mrs O’Doherty needs to find herself another man – a real man that would rather ‘do the deed with her’ than play ball without the ball!

    Honestly half the people on this thread make it sound as if sex was something dreamed up by the entertainment industry. It is natural – even ya parent’s did it. Someone needs to shout Mr O’Doherty a night ‘out’.

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  101. sarahk (2 comments) says:

    No need for dinky lists. My daughter has a steady diet of “How I met your mother” and “Big Bang Theory”. Barney and Howard have put her off men for life!

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  102. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Wow, all this anger and hatred and bile just because some people don’t want underage kids having sex!

    Well I know whose side I’m on in that equation. Why is it bad to tell kids not to have sex until they are in a stable and loving relationship? It’s good, true advice. Just because some kids won’t follow it doesn’t make it any less true or worthwhile to say.

    I read the list of things to do instead of having sex. I think most people are missing the humour of it. It’s supposed to be humourous. It’s not a literal list of suggestions for things to do when somebody feels like having sex. It’s simply pointing out, in a general sense, that there are plenty of other fulfilling things in life besides satiating your carnal urges. In other words, the exact point that so many on here seem to have missed in their ranting and raving.

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