The last big settlement makes progress

June 28th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Ngāpuhi write:

The historic Ngāpuhi Treaty settlement journey is gaining momentum, with the Government calling for submissions on the Tūhoronuku Deed of Mandate.

In a letter received from the Crown today, Tūhoronuku have been advised that the Crown will be advertising their mandate for public submissions in early July.

Ngāpuhi is by far the biggest Iwi in Aotearoa with an estimated 140,000 members. The Ngāpuhi settlement will be the last of the big Treaty settlements, and Iwi leaders and Government predict it will have a transformative effect on the struggling Northland economy

In September 2011, Ngāpuhi overwhelmingly gave their mandate to Te Rōpū o Tūhoronuku (Tūhoronuku) to represent them in negotiations on settlement of all Crown breaches and grievances against Ngāpuhi and Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

Since then Tūhoronuku has worked to strengthen the Deed of Mandate, giving hapū a greater voice and regional representation.

Once the Government recognise the Tuhoronuku mandate, the Tuhoronuku Independent Mandated Authority (Tuhoronuku IMA) comes into existence, holding elections for new representatives during the latter part of this year.

Settlement negotiations with the Government are expected to begin early in 2014, with the Government saying it hopes the process will be concluded by year end.

This is the last major historical Treaty settlement. Having the Crown recognise the mandate of Tuhoronuku to negotiate the settlement is key. It is often the most tricky part of the negotiations – ensuring that the negotiators have a widely recognised and supported mandate from the Iwi and hapu. Once you get that sorted out, the actual negotiations around the settlement are less complex (but still far from simple).

If there is a Ngāpuhi settlement by the end of 2014, then all the major settlements will be concluded. And I unashamedly say that is a good thing. Even though some doubt they will be enduring, what is their solution? To just stop the settlement halfway through and say no more settlements? Think if the Government did that in Christchurch? Those who have their insurance claim already done are okay, but those who have not yet had it processed miss out entirely – tough biscuits for them.

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35 Responses to “The last big settlement makes progress”

  1. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    DPF: I am still waiting with much interest to read why you think these particular “full and final” settlements will endure, when so many to date have not. You will recall saying you would so blog when you were kind enough to post my last guest post on the subject.

    The Attorney General has also promised a substantive reply to my letter asking him how he knows what future parliaments will do with “his” settlements, and why the legislation giving force to them has not been entrenched. I can’t wait for his letter.

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  2. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    When these settlement documents are finally signed, do the words “full and final settlement” appear in the documents? Just curious.

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  3. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    “This is the last major historical Treaty settlement.”
    “… then all the major settlements will be concluded.”

    This is a joke…right?? The Gravy Train has built up unstoppable speed and it isn’t going to stop Rollin’ in a hurry!

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  4. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    What about the wrongs against this generation of white people…being made to pay billions for doubtful settlements against dubious claims..when does our gravy train kick into life?

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  5. Ed Snack (1,873 comments) says:

    Oh David, surely you mean this round of the perpetual treaty grievance process will be drawing to a close so that the next round can commence. You can’t be that naive surely as to believe that an end of any sort is in sight. The grievance industry will hardly allow itself to wither away when there’s endless streams of cash coming down the line to keep them all fat and happy for generations to come.

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  6. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    O for orsum!

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  7. CameronFoxton (28 comments) says:

    “What about the wrongs against this generation of white people…being made to pay billions for doubtful settlements against dubious claims..when does our gravy train kick into life?”

    Love the satire

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  8. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    “This is the last major historical Treaty settlement”

    Until we start the next round

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  9. Pete George (23,575 comments) says:

    These settlements are the best compromise for both sides of the agreements. Something had to be done to redress major wrongs.

    Whether it’s full and final or not is overblown as an issue. Nothing is final (except death). Sure some Maori could try and claim more in the future, but some non-Maori could also try to achieve something beyond the agreements. Maori fears of having land taken off them in the future would be just as legitimate as non-Maori fears that they might have to pay again for something that has already been compensated.

    It should be remembered that the settlments aren’t full recompense for what was diddled off Maori anyway, it is an agreed pragamatic compromise accepted by Maori tribes.

    And it would be ridiculous to halt the process part way through, with some settled and some not settled.

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  10. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    “Something had to be done to redress major wrongs.”

    Such as Pete??

    I personally believe that these Greedy Parasites deserve nothing. Nil, Zilch, Zippo…

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  11. Griff (7,729 comments) says:

    I am so sorry for dragging maori against their will all the way from the stone age to the industrial age
    It would have been far better if the English had not treated maori any different from the way maori treated each other.

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  12. Pete George (23,575 comments) says:

    “Such as Pete??”

    Something much like what is being done seems fair enough to me.

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  13. OneTrack (3,108 comments) says:

    “When these settlement documents are finally signed, do the words “full and final settlement” appear in the documents? Just curious”

    They possibly do but it appears the words “full and final settlement” mean something different to maori, and white-guilt progressives.

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  14. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Such as Pete??”

    Something much like what is being done seems fair enough to me.”

    I think he was referring to the “major wrongs”.

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  15. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Cha-CHING!

    Thanks bros!

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  16. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    aw you’re such a racist Longknives…

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  17. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    This latest round of “settlements” include cringe inducing apologies from “the Crown” – which for all intents and purposes in 2013 means “the government” – and an agreed version of history, i.e. what terrible wrongs the Crown did which are now being settled.

    Why though, is there no acknowledgement in these Deeds of Settlement that this is IT; this the LAST time these grievances will be “settled”; other than the payments provided for in the legislation to which the Deed is a schedule, there will be no more?

    I have a couple of answers to that question, but unlike most of you I use my own name here, and have a practising certificate to think of. But why, I wonder, would you NOT include wording like that? Could it be the same sort of reason that made the Attorney General so resistant to putting a provision preventing charging for access to the sea in the replacement for the Foreshore and Seabed Act?

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  18. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Ngapuhi. Northland Maori. Harawira territory. Interesting. When the gravy-train arrives in the ‘tribal territory’ we will then get to see how Hone’s ‘Maori Housing initiative’ works, won’t we?

    Well, won’t we? I mean he’s been SO adamant about it. (pauses, hears only a defeaning silence, but notices that Titiwhi and her relatives all have new cars, and houses , and (white) friends, and…..)

    One can but hope that it won’t end that way, but don’t hold your breath…….

    (and the MSM will say absolutely nothing)

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  19. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    Come on , this is only the end of the current phase.

    The next wave of settlements is more insidious, growing like a cancerous growth inside the various bureaucracies and public institutions of the land. The maori will lever their way into our lives eccouraged by apologist academics dreaming up new material for their next thesis.

    It has already started, as evidenced by the monetisation of various cultural and financial assets and executive power as granted by way of race.

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  20. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    wreck: You are a member of the sacred brotherhood arent you? Always nice to know I am not the only b & s of the High One who sees through and refuses to buy this crap we are sold…

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  21. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    and the MSM will say absolutely nothing

    Of course not. That would be wacist.

    growing like a cancerous growth inside the various bureaucracies and public institutions of the land

    Yep.

    If the public knew, they’d be horrified. But of course, it’s the MSM’s job to tell them and…

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  22. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    DPF, you and your party (Labour Lite) know full well these “settlements” are not full and final, and the gravy train will never end under their watch.

    Stop spinning, it could be harmful to the truth.

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  23. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    The ‘whitie’ is getting very tired of being told to pay for the ancestry claims of a few Moari.
    I can not be responsible for my ancestors and neither can Moari – yet only Moari get to claim. All land has been won by conquest.
    Oh I think there is a name for the claims – racism.

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  24. Griff (7,729 comments) says:

    Its the tribal seats on council the rights under rma and all the other distortions towards Moari given to the tribes.
    The insiduose spread of tribecracy
    Placing inordinate power them funking greedy unelected tribal Leaders

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  25. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Why on earth would Chris Finlayson (in my opinion, the most intellectual and dangerous individual NZ has ever seen in Parliament), want to put an end to an industry that has made him (and his ilk), a very rich man? If this nonsense does not stop, I have no doubt that in generations to come, he will be viewed as one of the most despised inviduals of his time.

    If Finlayson has NZ best interest’s at heart, he would exercise his enormous intellect and the power vested in him, and bring down the curtain on this continuing obscenity

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  26. CameronFoxton (28 comments) says:

    “I can not be responsible for my ancestors and neither can Moari”
    You and I are not responsible for our ancestors actions but the crown can and should be held responsible for the contracts it signs. And no it was not all won by conquest; read a book

    That is what I what I was going to say until I realised your comment was jest as no one could actually be that ignorant – especially someone from the North Shore

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  27. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Full and final- yea right
    In 1944 an act was passed in final settlement for Ngai Tahu. The only way this is going to stop is if enough people are prepared to stand up to the constant demands. Maybe the fledgling party 1law4all may be the answer. I hope so.

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  28. Dave Mann (1,222 comments) says:

    The ‘Last Big Settlement’….. really? Wanna bet….?

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  29. Dave Mann (1,222 comments) says:

    Everybody seems to be pretending not to see the elephant in the room.

    Mainstream New Zealand can’t bear to face the fact that, by falling all over themselves to prove how PC and ‘non-racist’ they are, they have artificially built up Maoris’ sense of loss and grievance to truly ridiculous heights. So much so that a bunch of wannabe terrorists were caught training in the bush for an armed campaign…. but even then everybody continued to politely walk around the elephant and pretend it isn’t there.

    The fact is that the moment New Zealand stops giving huge dollops of its wealth and resources to these people they will take up arms. It might start small, of course, but within a few years New Zealand would be another trouble spot like Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, Turkish Kurdistan, the Basque country et al.

    When and if we do wake up to the elephant in the room, how are we going to deal with it? I think we’ll just choose to keep on being fleeced for ever. After all, we are in no position to resist: the armed forces are mainly Maori and the police are mainly schoolgirls.

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  30. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “NZ’s such a lovely place “..until you scratch the surface

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  31. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Try this if you are really serious about change..

    http://1law4all.co.nz/support-us/

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  32. Paulus (2,628 comments) says:

    Does all this mean that we can have a closure date for the Waitangi Tribunal at last ?

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  33. Dave Mann (1,222 comments) says:

    Thanks for the link, liabor. At least SOMEBODY is taking things seruously.

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  34. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Dave Mann: Well my friend, whoever is behind that lot won’t be in a position to make any difference…but look at the level of apathy…33 comments on this festoring sore of an issue; a fraction of those on the latest wrinkle of the David Bain saga….as someone above said, everyone is either stepping around the elephant in the room, is ignoring it, or worse still, can’t bloody see it.

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  35. itstricky (1,835 comments) says:

    everyone is either stepping around the elephant in the room, is ignoring it, or worse still, can’t bloody see it.

    Can I guess too?

    Perhaps they aren’t scared little girlies who feel like they are hard done by because someone else is getting something they aren’t? Maybe they’re laughing at someone prancing around a non-issue like it’s the end of the world? Just maybe… they’re sick of some ingrates peddling FUD?

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