51 prison terms by 34

July 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

A Black Power member says he wants to change his ways after hearing he will become a grandfather.

“I don’t blame nobody but myself,” William Herangi Wanakore, 34, told Judge Allan Roberts prior to sentencing after admitting to his latest raft of offending.

Wanakore, who has 97 convictions, was about to be sentenced to his 51st prison term after pleading guilty to assault with intent, two burglaries and twice breaching protection orders in May.

Not sure what is worst – 97 convictions, 51 prison terms or being a grand dad at 34.

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48 Responses to “51 prison terms by 34”

  1. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    :lol: LOL yeah that thing is going to turn its life around.

    Somebody needs to just shoot it now before it does any more harm to decent human beings.

    Friend of a friend of mine has a brother who is some sort of Mongrel Mob thing. Recently became a “dad.” The P-addict mother of the baby is so proud to have had a mob member, she named the boy “Mighty” in honour of the occasion. What a great future he has.

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  2. Odakyu-sen (679 comments) says:

    she named the boy “Mighty” in honour of the occasion.

    A positive for “funny-name” syndrome….

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  3. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Must be due fir a couple of strikes by now.

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  4. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    I’ve often remarked on this blog that I feel the NZ Justice System is somewhat ineffectual

    I rest my case

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  5. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    “The P-addict mother of the baby is so proud to have had a mob member, she named the boy “Mighty” in honour of the occasion”

    Yeah but the wee fella won’t become a fully-fledged Mob Member until he has ‘earned his patch’..(Usually by raping a White woman or mugging a Granny or something similarly ‘heroic’)
    Until then he will just keep hoovering up WINZ benefits, not to mention Whanau Ora taxpayer handouts….

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  6. Ashley Schaeffer (488 comments) says:

    You’d think that after, say 20 prison terms somebody would have realised that this dreck was beyond rehabilitation, but no, just keep letting him out to reoffend against the rest of us. The “justice” system is failing us.

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  7. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Not sure what is worst – ……..
    Just a small segment of the dossier on the grand child that will almost certainly become another chapter in the long record of the feckless, living the life of the hopeless on the funding of the luckless all perpetrated by the useless.

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  8. laworder (292 comments) says:

    51 prison terms! Talk about revolving door justice system….
    For prison to actually be of any use, you actually need to leave the offender in there for at least a year (I believe this is the case in Germany). And if he has still not changed after three terms (let alone 51) then I doubt he ever will

    duggledog is correct. Any justice system that has not locked someone up permanently long before they have got to this number of convictions or prison terms is way past ineffectual, it is actively injust to the rest of us

    Regards
    Peter J
    see http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz

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  9. peterwn (3,277 comments) says:

    ‘Assault with intent’ is not a ‘three strike’ offence – wonder if there was a plea bargain and guilty plea to avoid a ‘strike’.

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  10. Harriet (4,988 comments) says:

    NZ is weak on crime.

    Clinton got rid of the millstone around the Democrats neck by saying he would lock up all and sundry in his first term if he got elected, he then did that, now the Republicans no longer say that the Dems are weak on crime.

    There is huge votes in it.

    There’s nothing wrong with locking people up – so long as you do it properly – lock everyone up for their 3rd offence no matter what it is.
    Sentance them to prison for 4 weeks of their annual holidays with 1 week off for good behaviour, in a minimum security prison. No talking like in Japan. Rice and veges for 4 weeks. Cleaning and exercise.

    You don’t loose your job. The wife and kids don’t suffer. You tow the line inside so that you get at least 1 weeks holiday before you return to work.

    No one will be back the next year!

    Well….who the fuck would lock themselves inside a cheap motel for 3 weeks, clean it, eat rice and veges, stay mostly silent, and then re-book it for next year? :cool:

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  11. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    @rrrm”she named the boy “Mighty” ”

    The freakonomics movie had a discussion on stupid baby names and the high correlation to crime.

    The conclusion was that it is not the name that causes someone to become a criminal, but, growing up in an environment where parents would consider giving the kid a stupid name.

    So, if it were a non-pc world, ‘mighty’ would be removed from the parents immediately, have their name changed to Bob and adopted out — and the mother would be sterilised.

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  12. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    how the hell does a 34 year old do 51 stretches?

    say he started at 17.. thats 3 a year. does this stat include over night stints in the drunk tank?

    “I don’t blame nobody but myself,” – least he takes personal responsibility.

    how do you rehabilitate someone with that many charges? not easily would be my guess!

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  13. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Scum breeding freely across the country.
    As the infamous comrade Clark said: “There is no underclass in New Zealand.

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  14. Harriet (4,988 comments) says:

    I also meant to add that you can then put 17 people in jail per year for the current price of just 1! :cool:

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  15. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    I’m actually surprised….

    This thread has been up and running for an hour now but we’ve yet to see a comment from the usual handful of crim hugging dropkicks who bleat that gang dross masquerading as members of the human race are totally misunderstood and that society should do everything in its power to help the poor wee souls to rehabilitate.

    34 years old.
    97 convictions.
    51 prison terms.

    The moron is beyond hope. Society needs to be protected. Time to throw away the key.

    Sorted.

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  16. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    how the hell does a 34 year old do 51 stretches?

    Concurrent terms of imprisonment.  The most I have seen is 126 sentences of imprisonment at one go, so 51 isn’t too difficult to imagine over 17 years.

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  17. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Where are the Maori Party, the Greens and all do-gooders to defend this wonderful Stone Ager?

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  18. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Has this dude had any strikes yet?

    imho if he hasn’t been convicted of rape, sexual offenses, murder… there is still a chance for this guy.. id peg that chance at about 4%. maybe a 10 year stint would calm him down a bit.

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  19. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    And in between all of that he’s managed to sire five offspring. Busy bugger. I presume we are footing the bill.

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  20. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

    And in between all of that he’s managed to sire five offspring.

    While the author of this blog who is in his mid forties, who believes in unnatural marriage, and sniffs at the fact that this gentleman is a grandfather at 34, is as far as we know childless.

    Who do you think will inherit the future?

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  21. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    “Who do you think will inherit the future?”

    The next generation of tax-payers, I suspect.

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  22. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    Why is my 1.28 comment, answering Dime’s question, worthy of a downvote? All I did was give a factual answer and add an anecdote of my own. I didn’t express any opinion that could actually be disagreed with, did I?

    dime,

    to have so many convictions by age 34 suggests a lot of nuisance and dishonesty offending, as a major sentence like rape or murder tends to take them out of circulation for 10 to 15 years. Stealing cars or doing burgs can rack up the sentences of imprisonment very quickly.

    It might also be that he has been in prison for much of the time since the three strikes legislation was passed, so has managed to avoid strikes mostly by dumb luck (or, for the rest of us, bad luck).

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  23. Kelly (29 comments) says:

    Im guessing 5 of those 97 convictions avoided additional prison sentences with “I’m a dad now and want to turn my life around”

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  24. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    Alright, I get it.  Someone just doesn’t like me and will downvote anything I say, no matter how uncontroversial.  Nice one.

    kelly,

    Im guessing 5 of those 97 convictions avoided additional prison sentences with “I’m a dad now and want to turn my life around”

    That argument generally doesn’t work for men.  You have a better chance of it succeeding with a new mother.

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  25. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    F E Smith – how many of these guys come good?

    if youre still doing burgs past your mid-30’s, youll probably never change?

    as a side note, youd think with all that treaty money flowing down from the maori elites this guy would have elevated himself out of shite.

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  26. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    how many of these guys come good?

     if youre still doing burgs past your mid-30′s, youll probably never change?

    Most serious crims (not all) tend to reduce their offending in their 30s or early 40s.   Call it growing up, getting older, whatever, the rate at which they accumulate convictions usually slows.  For some this is because they have been in prison for a long time, but that isn’t so for most. To answer your question, though, quite a lot, actually. They just don’t get reported on because that isn’t newsworthy.

    The main factor here is that the bloke is a member of a gang, which changes the playing field a bit.  They do slow down as they get older, but that doesn’t always signal a complete change, sadly. 

    There will always be some offenders who just won’t change, but I think at 34 it is too early to say, except for the gang connection.   What he will find is that if he keeps offending in the same manner, his sentences will be getting progressively longer and longer.  Of course, that might not really concern him.

    as a side note, youd think with all that treaty money flowing down from the maori elites this guy would have elevated himself out of shite.

    I’m wouldn’t think that Black Power gets any treaty money directly from any Iwi.  Other than that, it would depend on his iwi (if he has one) as to what benefits he might be able to get from the settlement.  If he is a part of my wife’s iwi (Ngai Tahu), then you are absolutely correct, there are scholarships and other educational assistance for him and his kids.  I am not sure what the case is if he is a member of a North Island iwi. 

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  27. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “Most serious crims (not all) tend to reduce their offending in their 30s or early 40s. Call it growing up, getting older, whatever”

    maybe its their testosterone levels getting lower heh

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  28. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    51 terms.

    To my simple mind that says they were all too short.

    What effect dos a short sentence have other than to create masses of administration?

    One long maximum should suffice.

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  29. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    How about passing sliding scale legislation to the effect that human refuse like this Wanakore chappie are awarded a decreasing eligibility for all state benefits at the rate their convictions increase.

    5+ convictions = no access to Unemployment Benefit or State Housing in perpetuity
    10+ convictions = Old Age Pension deleted
    15+ convictions = get your own health insurance

    Etc.

    Colin Craig stick that in your manifesto and watch those polls. You can have it for free.

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  30. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    I didn’t completely follow Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon.

    But the bit where Gottfried is placed on board the test missile and launched off to oblivion provides an excellent model for how recidivist offenders could be dealt with… IMHO.

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  31. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    “5+ convictions = no access to Unemployment Benefit or State Housing in perpetuity
    10+ convictions = Old Age Pension deleted
    15+ convictions = get your own health insurance”

    and watch the crime rate soar as the manufacturing crisis hits in harder as the tax burden rubs harder into business.

    NZ is the highest taxed and suicided nation in teh OECD because the nat/Lab coalition has hugely assaulted production lines and factories creating a huge hole in teh economy and community. Now we have a stock investment PM who wants decisions made in a flash regardless of impact or effect on lives.

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  32. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (1,411) Says:
    July 23rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    ————————————–

    O.K. so we remove the right for them to get unemployment benefit, old age pension and medical treatment (unless they pay) – just how will that make society safer?

    What do you think they will do to survive?

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  33. Griff (7,819 comments) says:

    NZ is the highest taxed nation in teh OECD

    posted again after already being corrected once
    NZ is around average in the oecd
    http://www.oecd.org/ctp/tax-policy/taxingwages.htm#TW_A

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  34. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    dime: dont worry about the seemingly nonsensical down votes mate; I get them if I observe I spent a beautiful sunny winter’s day teaching my son how to cast a line.

    Duggle: Your idea is far too sensible and logical to ever be adopted by any major political party…I have heard several variants of it.

    My guess on this guy (FES is likely to be more informed than me) is there was some kind of a plea bargain – whatever they want to call it – to have this guy avoid a strike. When the Bill was going through, and there was all the angst about “overcharging” i.e. charging with a strike offence when a lesser one was more appropriate – I was far more concerned about UNDERcharging by prosecutors wary of landing someone with a second or even more so, a third strike. I would be interested in comments from FES and Graeme E and any other members of the brotherhood who might know if this is happening. Perhaps I should ask Davinia Murray during an adjournment.

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  35. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Who do you think will inherit the future?

    A question that illustrates why the worst is in fact that he is a grandad at 34. The impact on society of his 97 convictions and 51 prison terms are as nothing compared to his five offspring (so far) and the 17-year generation gap.

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  36. RF (1,407 comments) says:

    Hey. These brave warriors are nothing but gutless scum who beat up on old people and females. Seeing them in their gang environment is like going to the zoo to feed the monkeys.

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  37. Steve (North Shore) (4,565 comments) says:

    This is only one grandad aged 34. How many more 34 year olds who are not inside/outside/before the Courts are there?
    Plenty, they just have not been caught being bad bastards

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  38. Odakyu-sen (679 comments) says:

    “What do you think they will do to survive?”

    I agree with Judith’s thoughts on this one. If such policies were implemented, it would create a large number of desperate people. (No one can take away your instinct to survive.)

    So, how best to deal with these desperate people?
    Shall the State use its existing powers to deal with them? (This is going to cost a bundle…)
    Shall the State grant itself new powers? (Scary for the Citizens!)
    Shall the Citizens grant themselves greater powers to deal with these desperate people? (Scary for the State, perhaps…)

    Does anyone have any pet political theories that might offer a solution?

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Society needs to be protected.

    Arguments based on need avoid issues of morality.

    Necessitas non habet legem. Necessity has no law.

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  40. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    ‘A question that illustrates why the worst is in fact that he is a grandad at 34. The impact on society of his 97 convictions and 51 prison terms are as nothing compared to his five offspring (so far) and the 17-year generation gap’

    How do you think he ‘managed’ 97 convictions and 51 prison terms by the age of 34 Milt? Does it all add up for you, just par for the course with an okay narrative?

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  41. Honeybadger (215 comments) says:

    The justiice system surely fails us, this ‘person’ has been released at least 51 tiems already, time to lock it up and throw away the key

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  42. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    Fuck & people wonder why I think contraception should be compulsory for beneficiaries for the term of there benefit & for the same amount of time they’re of it. If only there was a contraceptive for men, should be rolled out to prisoners as well, do a 5 yr stint on the inside do a 5yr contraceptive regime on the outside. Wouldn’t stop this bastard being a grandfather but almost certainly it’d stop at 1 grandchild.

    Also don’t people read before they post HE HASN’T BEEN IN JAIL 51 TIMES SOME WERE SERVED CONCURRENTLY

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  43. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Harriet 1:13 pm it’s ‘toe the line’, not ‘tow the line’. Look it up.

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  44. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    Andrei

    “And in between all of that he’s managed to sire five offspring.

    While the author of this blog who is in his mid forties, who believes in unnatural marriage, and sniffs at the fact that this gentleman is a grandfather at 34, is as far as we know childless.

    Who do you think will inherit the future?”

    As bad as this man might be Andrei his 51 crimes are minor when compared to the crimes committed in the name of your god.

    Oh…and as for who will inherit the future, that’s easy, the future will be inherited by Atheists.

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  45. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    How do you think he ‘managed’ 97 convictions and 51 prison terms by the age of 34 Milt?

    See F E Smith comment above at 1.28pm.

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  46. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    I did read that of course Milt. Also that of others who somehow think he was released from prison 51 times. I think F E Smith and others have written about a ‘mopping up’ style sentencing when a number of crimes are ‘solved’ with a guilty plea in a plea bargain situation. Sometimes those guilty pleas cover crimes not committed by a defendant, on other occasions some offender, and I’m not saying it is the case here, helps clear the ‘books’ for associates or gang members either for the reward of a patch or similar or on threats of violence. So the point is nobody knows what is going on with this guy, even the children and grandchildren ‘plea’ could be off the cuff. He breached some orders back in May which are only before the Courts now and he seems to be a plead guilty person but that is another indication of the time taken between offending and sentencing which makes the whole image of the 51 terms of imprisonment seem like superficial reporting. Most people would be interested in the details and not just the headline that doesn’t make any sense.

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  47. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    There may be people out there who give a shit what’s going on with this guy, but I’m not one of them. His achievements in the field of rapidly increasing the waster population, though – that, I give a shit about.

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  48. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    Good sheep like response Milt, swallow a head line then cover your naivety with a sweeping statement. The fact is none of us know the story with this case, saying that is not crediting Wanakore with anything positive as you seem to imply. Although it does indicate much of this type of stuff doesn’t withstand critical analysis but it sure gets the gropers going.

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