A good move

July 24th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Coca-Cola plans to start displaying the calories in its products on vending machines as a way of fighting .

The beverage giant announced tonight it was was “joining the front line” in the fight against obesity with a campaign set to launch tomorrow.

As part of the campaign, it will place transparent nutritional information in more places, including vending machines, and increase the availability of small bottles like its 300ml soft drink range.

It will also offer a wider selection of low-calorie products and help get people moving by supporting physical activity programmes.

I hate nanny state anti-obesity measures around banning certain foods from tuck-shops, advertising restrictions etc. But something I am passionate on is food and drinks showing the number of calories they have. This allows us adults to make informed choices.

I think alcohol should have calorie labels, and also retail food outlets should have available calorie counts for their food, should people request it.

People would be amazed at how much weight you can lose by simply being more knowledgeable about how many calories are in what you drink or eat.

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139 Responses to “A good move”

  1. peterwn (3,163 comments) says:

    When labelling is done, be interesting to see how many calories ‘Zero’ coke has.

    [DPF: it is basically zero. They are already labelled on the cans. This is about labels on the vending machines so people see them before they buy]

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  2. Longknives (4,464 comments) says:

    So you are saying that we shouldn’t drink ten litres a day??
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277388/Coca-Cola-addiction-Mother-8-Natasha-Harris-30-drank-18-pints-Coke-day-died-cardiac-arrest.html

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  3. WineOh (553 comments) says:

    Sure transparency is a good thing, but does anyone honestly think that Coke, McD’s, etc are healthy foods?

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  4. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    A good move by Coke certainly but I’d be more interested in country of origin labelling on tinned & frozen food. We all know that soft drinks are so sugary as to be nearly syrup but who has a clue of what sprays & insecticides were used to grow their can of tomatoes in the unregulated free for all that is the glorious People’s Republic of China?

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  5. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Forget counting calories…that is bullshit. Cokes problem is that its loaded with sugar…What matters re fat loss is the FORM the calorie is in when you consume it…and how the fat making hormone insulin reacts to it. Sugar and carbs are what insulin uses to make triglyceride’s (body fat) …protein and saturated fat can’t be used that way.

    Coke has had this info on its products for years now…..Coke Zero has 0.3 calories per 100mls….its on the bottle.

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  6. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “….As part of the campaign, it will place transparent nutritional information in more places, including vending machines, and increase the availability of small bottles like its 300ml soft drink range….”

    WTF? – Don’t bottles no longer come with tops in NZ? You can drink the remainder tomorrow.

    They also know that the calorie thing never worked at Maccas and it won’t work on a vending machine either!

    This marketing pitch is due to the fact that they don’t want the fucken commies trashing their brand in public anymore!

    Everyone’s mum in the 70′s limited kids having ‘bad’ foods – and it was done without the knowledge of calories!

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  7. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    McDonald’s food is really no more harmful than any other….You can eat at McDonalds 3 times every day for a month and improve your bloods and lose weight…

    Check out the film “Fathead”…which debunked Morgan Spurlock’s BS doco “Supersize Me”.

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  8. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Well, I have Type 2 diabetes and I still drink Coke (Zero) and Pepsi Max (which to be honest, tastes better!). I wish there was more consumer choice when it came to sugar free products, although I welcome Powerade Zero and Red Bull Sugarfree. Why can’t someone invent sugarfree chocolate?! That’s what I miss most!

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  9. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “…..Pepsi Max (which to be honest, tastes better!)…”

    Shit….we’ve got something in common ! – [I have mine with bundy rum.] :cool:

    “…Why can’t someone invent sugarfree chocolate?!…”

    You can get a diabetic type chocolate at the chemists here in QLD. – I’ll even go to the trouble to find out for you the name of it Shoddy.

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  10. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy….they have…you can get it in various flavours at Countdown. A bit pricey by good stuff. Also the dark 80% stuff is good too if you are a T2 diabetic. For a potato chip substitute get pork scratchings instead….or make your own at home from pig skin…..tasty.

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  11. Rosa19 (22 comments) says:

    is some evidence that suggests its more useful to put how many miles is needed to walk the calorie’s of on labels … more decision useful?

    http://www.decisionsciencenews.com/2013/04/09/250-calories-2-6-miles-of-walking-or-78-minutes-of-walking-which-would-cause-you-to-eat-less/

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  12. Concerned (36 comments) says:

    Kathryn Ryan just did a shocking interview of the Coke CEO based on the premise that Coke had “responsibility” for the obesity trend and was guilty of doing nefarious things such as pricing its large bottles of Coke at less/oz. than its smaller portions.

    Duh???

    Coke is a sweet (quite pleasant) drink with little other food value. So is lemonade. Saddling all of us with more expensive beverages because poor people (her term) might tend to buy too much of them is an extreme displacement of cause & effect and responsibility (even for Kathryn).

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  13. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    If you are a T2 diabetic or prone to obesity then you need to eliminate ALL sugar sources from your diet as best you can…that includes sweet fruits,grains-bread,rice,honey etc…basically turn the “food pyramid upside down and eat far more saturated fats…which don’t cause heart disease nor make you fat. Look up “Low carb eating for Diabetes”.

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  14. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    I welcome Powerade Zero – the sugarfree gatorade is a lot better. wish they would release that here. its about 1/5 of the price in the US too. Dime is right into it when hes in the US

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  15. OneTrack (2,614 comments) says:

    Concerned – “Kathryn Ryan just did a shocking interview of the Coke CEO ”

    Did you see the poor bugger getting hassled by that harridan Robyn Toomath (and the presenters) about roughly the same thing on Seven Blunt last night. It was apparently ALL Cokes fault “and what are Coke going to do to fix it”. I still don’t get what Alison Mau was going on about though – she was complaining about the small bottles because “she could go into a petrol station and buy 10 litres of Coke for X amount so why do you need the small bottles?”. The concept of people having a “choice” seemed beyond her . And if nobody wants the small bottles they wont sell so its Cokes problem. These people don’t quite get the market concept do they. And Toomath just showed her true colours – Coke was just “bad”, and everything was all their fault, and, worst of all, they are a big American company.

    “Saddling all of us with more expensive beverages because poor people (her term) might tend to buy too much of them ”

    But I was under the impression that the poor people were living in “POVERTY” which means they obviously wouldn’t be able to afford the expensive soft-drinks – like Coke. Oh wait, ……

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  16. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @dpf

    The reason that alcoholic beverages like beer and wine are excluded from the current labeling regime is because of intense lobbying from the industry at the time the regulations were introduced in the 1980s.

    The dairy industry was also given similar concessions – but they’ve been rolled back.

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  17. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    WineOh 9:09 am Here we go….

    At least with Coke/ Pepesi you’ve got the near nothing calorie option, unlike every other food/ drink item in existence. No-one say bottled water… too obvious.

    I don’t give a fuck about the bullshit artificial sweetener is no good argument. In terms of calories… diet drink aint got fuck all and we’re talking obesity.

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  18. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 9:25 am Here’s the same old fuckwit with his don’t bother counting calories horsecrap.

    Do you own a fuckin Ab Circle Pro as well mate?

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  19. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    People would be amazed at how much weight you can lose by simply being more knowledgeable about how many calories are in what you drink or eat.

    Bingo- that’s exactly how I lost weight.

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  20. GPT1 (2,090 comments) says:

    Calories are a tool- not the be all and end all. As noted above there are good and bad calories but I am with DPF more knowledge of calories in foods is a great tool to assist informed decisions.

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  21. Viking2 (11,140 comments) says:

    DPF says:
    I hate nanny state anti-obesity measures around banning certain foods from tuck-shops, advertising restrictions etc. But something I am passionate on is food and drinks showing the number of calories they have. This allows us adults to make informed choices.
    ———————–
    So lets have some context.

    I hate nanny state: good start

    I am passionate on is food and drinks showing the number of calories they have. This allows us adults to make informed choices.

    Really. no its doesn’t unless you actually know what it means in terms of bodily consumption unless you understand the metabolism of your individual system. Its all just work for the printer.

    Sensible adults can make those decisions without all this. i.e. moderation in the amount and type of food you eat.

    Saying that coke was and remains diabolical stuff for stuffing your liver functions.
    Early in the 50′s when men worked in hot factories they drank it by the large bottle. It was then full of the original coke and sent on a path to dying with nasty type cancers and diabetes. why would anyone drink the crap.

    Beer on the other hand is OK.
    You can never drink more than you can fit inside ya. It contains electrolytes and various other good things, is pleasant to drink and in a normal moderated way won’t fuck your health.

    But then neither does Tea, or water. Live a long life. Abandon the coloured, sweetened artificial crap that you buy at the shop.

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  22. RRM (9,468 comments) says:

    Quite right, beer’s practically a health food innit?

    If you drink enough beer you’ll eventually purge most of those calories right back out again! ;-)

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  23. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Pfffft. coke won’t tell you how much poisonous aspartame they add.

    Also, it is public knowledge and all over Google that Pepsi is made from aborted fetuses

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  24. Concerned (36 comments) says:

    OneTrack: “Did you see the poor bugger getting hassled by that harridan Robyn Toomath”

    Yes I did see that. It was even worse than Kathryn’s treatment.

    Robin Toomath gives me seizures!

    I am certain she is bad for my health.

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  25. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    GPT1 (1,980) 11:32 am You are 100% wrong.

    Calories are in fact the be all and end all of fat/ weight loss.

    If a person consistently consumes more calories than their body burns, they cannot ever lose weight. That’s the bottomline.

    So until a calorie deficit is achieved… ahem.. what else is important or relevant at all? Is it… nada?

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-agency-rules-pepsi-use-of-aborted-fetus-is-ordinary-business

    Obama agency rules Pepsi use of cells derived from aborted fetus ‘ordinary business’

    by John-Henry Westen

    Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:49 EST
    Tags: aborted embryos, fetal cell lines, pepsi

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  27. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    An out of date idiot writes…

    “Here’s the same old fuckwit with his don’t bother counting calories horsecrap.

    Do you own a fuckin Ab Circle Pro as well mate?”

    Don’t need to…I eat low carb and don’t bother with the flawed and failed “Calorie in-out” mantra that’s been around for years and accepted as gospel even though its bollocks. Calories in -out fails to answer the real question re obesity….which is WHY do some people overeat?

    Its perfectly possible to eat a whole lot more calories in the form of fat and protein yet gain no fat and indeed lose it.

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet

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  28. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    OneTrack 10:07 am I caught that item too…

    Toomath is a highly qualified anti-’junk food’ extremist. I agree with you 100%. The Coke rep was a wet drippy muppet who didn’t seem to know which way was up. Of course he’s a corporate flunky who has to tread very carefully, meantime Toomath can just let it rip with her finger jammed on the mass hysteria button. He looked like he could’ve used a Coke or something comforting during his TV ordeal. I’ll bet he’s never been more relieved for something to finish…. must’ve felt like hours to him.

    Toomath has some very ‘interesting’ views on all matters weight related…. she gave up telling *all* of her overweight/ obese patients to try and lose weight…. having watched them *all* fail. They all failed? It’s not their fault she claims. It’s society. It’s hormones that control appetite that makes fat people constantly hungry. They can’t help it, and it’s not their fault. It’s not a lifestyle choice. They are all victims. There’s always another reason. It cannot be solved by diet and exercise. Doesn’t work. Why? Because it’s someone else. Something else. It’s never *them*. Oh no… all the fatties have a disease called obesity. Roll on the fat acceptance movement. Don’t discriminate against diseased obese people. That’s un-PC. I can’t wait for all the demands and expectations. What’s next- obesity car parks right next to the supermarket entrance? Govt regulated supermarket ‘drive-thru’ window?

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  29. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Here LR and C…..get up to speed with the medical science…

    http://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/

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  30. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Myth: Eat Fewer Calories If You Want to Lose Weight

    http://modernhealthmonk.com/low-calorie-myth/

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/category/science-and-health/calorie-counting

    Thats that bitch slapped….;-)

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  31. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 12:33 pm You are a totally deluded little fucktard believing pseudo-science bullshit.

    I’m looking at King Fucktard himself as per your link- Andreas Eenfeldt- a fucking physician giving diet advice. Wouldn’t you rather pay attention to someone who is an expert *in their discipline* rather than some fuckwit nutbar doctor in an *unrelated medical profession*?.

    You’re a fuckin looney-tunes crackpot mate. A total crackpot.

    I’d like to see you eat 5 800 fucking calories on his bullshit ‘LCHF diet’ and stay the same weight. Or only gain a small amount.

    In my language of measurement that’s 24 267kj per day. A healthy weight adult might burn 5 500- 9 500kj at rest. Maybe 13 000kj with *a lot* of physical activity. And here you are- fuckwit of the decade- saying don’t count calories, eat whatever you want as long as it’s on the ‘approved list’… 24 000kj worth…

    I want you to eat 24 000kj every day. And we’ll see what happens, ok fruitcake? You can do that on your retard diet easily- nuts, meat and veg cooked in butter, eggs and cream. Now I know 100% that you are an intellectual lightweight. As Redbaiter would say… you must be blackhole dense.

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  32. Jack5 (4,591 comments) says:

    What happened to self-responsibility? If you don’t want to be obese don’t drink Coca-Cola by the gallon. I haven’t noticed thugs in supermarkets intimidating customers into filling their carts with Coke.

    If we want Coca-Cola to be responsible for halting obesity, let the company revert to the original recipe for Coca-Cola, which was, according to Wikipedia:

    …When launched, Coca-Cola’s two key ingredients were cocaine and caffeine. The cocaine was derived from the coca leaf and the caffeine from kola nut…

    They used to reckon Coca-Cola was good for freeing up rusted-up nuts, too, and I’m not referring to any sexual-potency powers, a property which the inventors apparently claimed for it.

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  33. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Face it bitch…you are slapped. I can personally attest…as can hundreds of thousands of others that low carb eating is the way to stay trim…no BS calorie counting required. That’s because what’s important is not the calorie amount…but how certain foods affect your hormones….particularly insulin which is the fat maker.

    I don’t come close to eating 24 000 everyday…I have no need to…The high saturated fat diet I do eat means I’m satisfied far quicker than I would be eating carb’s so I consume a lot less food by default…its a the 1-2 punch of low carbing. But if I made myself over eat sat fat and protein I would not gain bodyfat….its not scientifically possible.

    Now run along…you are owned fool……;-)

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  34. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 1:17 pm According to your leader- you should be able to eat 24 000kj of LCHF and not gain. So why not prove it works by consuming 24 000kj per day, and we’ll see what happens, eh noddykins? Let’s run that experiment, and check your weight before and after. How long do you reckon, six months?

    But you won’t do that. Why? Because you’re a full of shit blowhard…. not scientifically possible? You are a real thick cunt of the highest order. Really? Is that what you believe? Prove it faggot. You say you can eat *whatever you want* as long it’s LCHF menu items and *not gain weight*. Fuckin prove it then ya dickhead fuckin noddy moron… hahahahaha….. egg!!

    Let’s see you do it!! Do it shit for brains… suck up that ‘sat fat’… let’s see what happens to your figure genius. 24 000kj per day. I dare ya!! Idiot

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  35. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    I have been….for the last year….and my T2 diabetes has about gone….I’ve lost about 7 belt holes on the pants…..I now fit in pants I haven’t worn in 20 years. And I haven’t bothered to do any regular exercise either as it is a very poor way to lose bodyfat. My bloods are great,my Triglyceride’s are perfect and my diabetic nurse describes my transformation in the last year as”near fraudulent”.

    Our own bodies via nature store Sat fat on us as fuel to be used when needed….It seems very unlikely that it would do if sat fat was a health risk to us…

    The experiments already been done by many people including the guy in the link. Go on Facebook and join the “Fathead” group….there are a few thousand there who will educate you.

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/57440891958/

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  36. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 1:33 pm You’re just another lying little piece of internet scum…. words on a screen mate. I want to see you eat 24 000kj each and every day and lose weight and not gain weight. In fact- according to your crap- you could take in more than that- as much as you wanted- and *still* not gain weight.

    You kept your fucking pants from *twenty* fucking years ago? Pull the other one. No… you wouldn’t want to do any exercise. Of course not. Physical activity burns energy, but I’m sure you don’t believe in any of that nonsense eh?

    I would describe you as “100% fraudulent”. And “fake”. And a d-r-o-p-kick. With some serious mental problems.

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  37. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Says the angry little man with no facts or evidence to back up his tantrum….Plenty of people have clothes they wore decades ago hanging in the back of their closet. For lunch right now I am eating crème cheese with some pork rind chips I have just made…..and a “Bulletproof” coffee….a coffee made with a couple of tablespoons of melted pure butter….mmm! And I won’t gain a mil around the waist from doing so……;-)

    Sucks to be you burning away there bro….lol.

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  38. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 1:55 pm 24 000kj per day dipshit. Everything else you type is blowhard blowhard blowhard.

    Yep… cool…. you can start today by eating 24 000kj of creme cheese, pork rind chips and pure butter.

    No, that’s right, you won’t gain weight if your energy expenditure is less than your energy intake. So glad that your body is that same as every other member of the species.

    Take it up to 24 000kj per day troll. Mate, you’re a faker troll. The only thing I’m burning is the same rate of calories that you are. Except I’m burning more… because I do things- I’m not a fake internet blowhard.

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  39. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    If I ate 24000 in sugar and carb filled foods then yes…I would get fatter….but eating the same in Sat fat and protein I wouldn’t …..basic biology and hormone cause and effect bro….;-)

    Stick to yesterdays failed thinking…I’m with the factual science of today…..

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  40. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 1:55 pm And I’m eating a six pack of croissants dipped in a chocolate fountain.

    You’re the quintessential lying internet twerp.

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  41. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 2:09 pm Well stop talking about it and fucking do it then shit for brains.

    Eat 24 000kj each day of protein and sat fat. And we’ll see what happens. I’m sure that the entire medical community, scientific community, dieticians and nutrition experts will back you up that you won’t gain any weight. Because it’s *scientifically impossible*, yeah?

    Your deluded crap aint anywhere near accepted scientific fact moron.

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  42. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Yet I’m the one who’s posted evidence while you post nothing and just whine. I have no obligation to run experiments on myself for your wants….I don’t need to anyway….the evidence is out there and easily accessible.

    Put up or shut up bitch…..I challenge YOU to do so……but you are all mouth and no trousers… ;-)

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  43. mara (726 comments) says:

    I eat about the same calories daily as ever but since minimising carbs and upping fat and protein, I have lost about 20 kilos in 5 months and feel much better. It’s easy to keep up because I can eat pretty much what I want as long as the carbs stay low. The science works.

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  44. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2013/07/18/review-the-poor-misunderstood-calorie/

    “Counting calories is an ineffective means to determine energy balance or lose weight. The calories in food are not the same as those expended by the body. The poor, misunderstood calorie explains the concept of calories in the context of nutrition, obesity, and appetite.”

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  45. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Ohhhh Mara….you evil internet Troll you….LRC will be on your case….;-)

    Check out some of those links I posted earlier….and watch “Fathead” if you haven’t already….brilliant.

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 2:09 pm Evidence? You call crackpot lunacy evidence?

    You want evidence- then eat 24 000kj of protein and sat fat per day- and I’ll bet you’re going to see all the evidence you need to dipshit. You wouldn’t do it because it won’t work. You’ll become overweight followed by obese in nothing flat. Chicken shit little faker internet faggot….. hahahahahaha…..

    That’s common knowledge fuckwit that you’ll gain weight by doing that. The evidence is walking around CBDs filling their faces with shit and taking up a lot more space than they need to.

    It’s your diet philosophy fool, not mine. My diet works fine, thanks. I’m not claiming to be able to eat as much of some foods as possible without gaining weight. But then I’m not an internet fake.

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara (565) 2:30 pm How convenient… what are the chances… someone spouting the same nonsense shows up in support. What a coincidence.

    Unverifiable bullshit claims from anonymous internet dipshits. Mental head cases.

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  48. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    The calorie is a unit of heat energy. But it tells us nothing about how the nutrients we take in are utilized or stored. And calorie counts/estimates of calorie burned are grossly inaccurate and each individual will handle nutrients taken in in a vastly different ways with a variety of variables at play. Why do we need to measure input/output anyway? I haven’t counted a “calorie” or paid the least bit of attention to how many “calories” I’ve burned since I gave up the insanity of fat and “calorie” restriction and began eating low-carb 1 year ago. Dr Peter Attia recently said the best thing in a lecture that was available on video: “How does your treadmill know how many calories you are burning. I have bad news for you – it has no idea! “

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  49. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    “That’s common knowledge fuckwit that you’ll gain weight by doing that.”

    Sure…and that “common knowledge is flat out wrong…there are no studies that prove saturated fat makes you fat or gives you heart disease……put some up if you find any.

    ” The evidence is walking around CBDs filling their faces with shit and taking up a lot more space than they need to.”

    The shit they are eating that’s making them fat is carb’s and sugar…

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  50. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    http://www.gnolls.org/3374/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body/

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  51. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 2:42 pm You’re totally discredited because you can’t back up the claims of your own dieting philosophy from your own goddam link. If you won’t eat at least 24 000kj of LCHF food per day…. then you should shut the fuck up loser. Game over.

    Chicken shit moron. What is that, a duplicate account with another fake user that you’ve brought along? You pathetic bit of dirt…. honestly… get a life fool.

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  52. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 2:46 pm Prove it doesn’t make you fat then shit for brains- eat sat fat in large amounts and show everyone that you didn’t put on weight. Simple eh? Like you cunt.

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  53. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 2:48 pm You can keep posting until 2014- it won’t make you any less of a pathetic weirdo shit for brains loser spewing ignorant lies…. you can’t even follow your own rules…. Jesus what a total fuckwit.

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  54. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Ladies ladies, calm down. Each to their own.

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  55. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Game to me as you can’t or won’t post evidence to back your claims…unlike myself who did. How about YOU eat 24000kj of LCHF food and prove me wrong…? You are the one making the claim Im wrong…ok….prove it.

    Smoked ya bro….lol….;-)

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  56. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Zapper 2:58 pm I’m very calm!! Do You think it’s worth getting worked up over some anonymous internet weirdo gimp? The Scorned could be *you too* for all I fuckin know… hahahaha…..

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  57. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 3:01 pm What the fuck? I’m saying the LCHF *will* make you fat. Why would I want to make myself fat? I know it will… I don’t need to prove it. You’re a total fuckwit. *You’ve* got to follow the rules on your *own* LCHF website link. THat’s what *you* believe. If true, you should have no problem eating 24 000kj each and every day… because you won’t gain any weight. If you won’t do it- then you’re full of shit and should shut up. How about I eat it. Seriously child? Tell me you’re trolling. At least that would make sense.

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  58. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    “I’m very calm!! Do You think it’s worth getting worked up over some anonymous internet weirdo gimp? ”

    Oh the irony of that,…..lol…;-)

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  59. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 3:01 pm The internet was *made*… just *made* for idiots like you, wasn’t it? I wish I was getting the same value out of it that a braindead fucktard like yourself must enjoy. Must be very exciting being a noddy twat talking shit eh?

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  60. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 3:08 pm Tag- you’re it dipshit.

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  61. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 3:08 pm Just another fun day on the internet, eh retard?

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  62. Colville (2,081 comments) says:

    You two slapping each other with handbags is making me hungry :-)

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  63. mara (726 comments) says:

    Bitch on people, though it’s getting a bit boring. Meanwhile I continue to eat and enjoy eggs, bacon, cheese, chops, butter, fried chicken and all that stuff, heaps of green veges, nuts and some fruit, and the weight still stays off. If I up the carbs, the weight creeps up; if I lower the carbs, the weight drops off. Hell, Grandma knew that if you needed to lose a bit of fat for a special occasion, you quit the spuds and bread for a bit and eat something else to compensate. . Science understands this now and there is no excuse for the bullshit still being pumped to the public that “good” carbs and calorie restriction are the answer and that fat-intake is the enemy. Whatever you all decide, my GP and I are happy.

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  64. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    She amuses me…..all puff no stuff…;-)

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  65. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 6:31 pm another faker?

    So… you agree with the other knob. You could eat as many calories as you want as long as it’s LCHF and not gain weight? Because that’s what knob claims it can do. I reckon you and knob are the same retarded knob with two usernames. Same retarded bollocks being spouted.

    If you eat enough of anything, you will gain weight. Doesn’t matter what it is. Fat, carbohydrate or protein. Doesn’t matter. If you eat 24 000kj of anything each and every day, you’ll gain weight. 24 000kj of LCHF shit? You’ll turn into a fat shit. 100% guaranteed.

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  66. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 6:35 pm It’s knob!! You’re back!!

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  67. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 6:35 pm I’m the real deal baby… diet and exercise… in shape, looking good, feeling good. Consume roughly what you burn and physical activity…. the idea is straightforward. I’m not some lying tryhard internet creep!!

    I’m eating sugar!!

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  68. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 6:31 pm

    Grandma knew that if you needed to lose a bit of fat for a special occasion

    What did grandma do? How much time did she need to lose how much weight? What did she do? Stop eating for a week or two to try and lose one or two kilos? You fucking child… logging in as ‘mara’ and ‘the scorned’. What a pathetic little loser you are!!

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  69. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Lol….you are a hoot. Nutters make for great entertainment. ;-)

    And still not a shred of evidence for your position……and mountains of it for mine….not holding my breath you will stump up anytime soon.

    ;-)

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  70. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    More evidence from me…..boom! Slap down delivered.

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/are-carbohydrates-fattening/

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  71. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    http://www.onhealth.com/weight_loss/page2.htm#tocc

    How do you lose weight?

    The most effective method for weight loss is reducing the number of calories you consume while increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity. To lose 1 pound, you need an expenditure of approximately 3,500 calories. You can achieve this either by cutting back on your food intake, by increasing physical activity, or ideally, by doing both.

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  72. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    There’s a lot of websites along the same lines. how many do you want to see? Are you so fucked in the head that you need those links?

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  73. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 7:21 pm That proves nothing moron

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  74. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Exercising to lose weight….lol….get in the 21st century moron.

    Rather than slaving away to burn up energy the smart person doesn’t put it on in the first place….and that’s by simply not putting it on by feeding your body the wrong fuel for it.
    ;-)

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  75. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Heard of Ken Ring? He knows a lot of big words and tries to sound convincing too. Are you going to be sucked in by every fucking shit for brains con artist that sounds remotely like they know anything about what they’re telling you is true with repeatable experiments…. genuine scientific experiments?

    Ken reckons he can predict earthquakes. He’s a fuckwit like you. You’d believe any old bollocky shit mate.

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  76. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 7:30 pm It works for a lot of people you gutless little chicken shit cunt

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  77. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Yes I agree. Eades is not to be taken seriously.

    What’s funny is that by his own snobbish criteria Dr. Foo kicks his
    butt.

    She’s probably 1/2 his age, is board certified, has an PHD and MD, is
    affiliated with Harvard and can fill up page on a pub med search of
    real labortory research.

    http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-diabetes/dr-michael-eades-128175.html

    Eades, on the other hand, has a one pub med reference of a review
    paper and a collection of foolish past statements.

    Let me state though that credentials are irrelavant discussing
    research. only logic, data and context matter, but Eades is the one
    that drew first blood.

    Regards
    Randy

    Ofcourse

    You’re spewing quack science from qualified lunatics. Fuck off with your bullshit loser.

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  78. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Hey gutless internet creep…. some people actually like getting off their arse and away from the keyboard.

    Did ya ever stop to think about that? Fucktard

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  79. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    I took 10 out to rides your Mother….she loves it LC…..lol!

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  80. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    She doesn’t do favours for curious pathetic faggots sorry, so I know you’re lying. like the rest of your retarded posts.

    Game over… that’s all you’ve got left you piece of shit…. sucked in faggot. Fuck you

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  81. mara (726 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, I think you are a bit unhinged to be so concerned about this issue that you cannot discuss it rationally without getting mental.

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  82. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    This way of eating is not new.,…its been known for centuries…

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/a-low-carb-high-fat-diet-from-1953

    And to drive a final nail in to your coffin…

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/why-you-should-forget-about-calories

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  83. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 7:48 pm Just stick to the one username faggot… you don’t need to use two accounts.. pathetic mate.

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  84. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    oh, the dietdoctor quack again? Good one loser.

    There’s another link to a sceptic of the quacks you worship

    http://anthonycolpo.com/my-challenge-to-dr-michael-eades-and-the-rest-of-the-madcap-mad-brigade-prove-me-wrong-and-i%E2%80%99ll-hand-over-20000/

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  85. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Some faggots in life are so fuckin stupid… you want rational? Saying you can eat as much fat as you want and not put on any weight? How about…. fucked in the head?

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  86. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Right…so “Mara” and I have been living a split life as two entities on Kiwiblog for over 500 comments each just for the moment this thread came along so we could mess with you…..lol

    ….Is there someone there to look after you…? I bet you throw your own poop around when you get angry too…….LMAO!

    ;-)

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  87. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    My sources are backed with fact and are peer reviewed….your are…..not.

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  88. Griff (6,808 comments) says:

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/calories-in-calories-out/
    Eat fewer calories. Do this by:

    - Choosing lower calorie and less calorie dense food, and by avoiding large calorie extras.

    - Avoid drinking calories.

    - Use portion control (just don’t take that second helping).

    - Track your food intake with a convenient and simple system, at least until you get a better feel for where your calories are coming from.

    - Increase your calorie output by exercising more, at least three days a week, but more is better.

    - Do something you enjoy as you are much more likely to keep up with it. Likewise, make it as convenient as possible.

    - Little activities add up, so take the stairs when you can, walk when you can, and spend more time in recreation that involves moving rather than sitting.

    - Weigh yourself weekly to assess how you are doing so you can make adjustments as necessary.

    Those are the basics – you should at least start with these steps. The goal is long-term weight control, not a quick fix. That is the other problem with most “diets”- they emphasize short term weight loss rather than long term health and weight control. Forget about highly restrictive diets – no one sticks with them. Forget about really complex diet plans – no one sticks with them. Forget about plans where you have to buy special food – no one sticks with them.

    Basically – do not think to yourself, “I just need to get these X pounds off then I can switch to long term maintenance.” The problem with this approach is that almost everyone gains all the weight back. You are better off just going to the long term plan initially – don’t be lured by the promise of rapid weight loss.

    From a public health perspective the issues are more challenging. Education can help individuals, but does not have a huge statistical impact on the public. Measures that are helpful are those that make better food choices easier. At my hospital cafeteria, for example, the sandwich counter used to offer two choices for sides, pretzels or potato chips. That was it. Now they off carrot sticks or celery, so that’s what I get. The default choice contains many fewer calories. Those types of measures work.

    The trend in marketing, however, has been counter productive. Products are promoted as low-fat or low-carb (depending on your preference) – but neither are necessarily low calorie. They simply replace fat calories with carbs, or vice versa. So people end up eating more total calories because they think they are eating healthy. It’s counter productive. Printing nutritional information on the side of the package is nice, but it hasn’t helped.

    Bottom line time

    The public would be better off if they completely ignored the weight loss industry, avoided self-help weight loss books and diets, and simply focussed on some basic principles, as outlined above. Public health measures should focus on making default choices more healthful and lower calorie. We are starting to see a trend in this direction, in response to public demand. You can now get apple slices instead of french fries as a side in your kid’s Happy Meal. I can get carrot sticks instead of potato chips with my tuna on rye. But if there is going to be a reversal of the obesity trend

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  89. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/bad-what-science-reporting.html

    another link calling bullshit on your hero

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  90. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 7:56 pm You’re a full of shit deluded dickhead that believes whatever you want to believe regardless of anything like proper testing and analysis.

    I’m not trying to convince you of anything- you’re a headcase so there’s no point.

    I’d love to see you eat a kilo of fat each day. How about a kilo of butter each day? Want to try that boy? Eh boy?

    You suck that up and not put on weight, eh boy? Kilo of butter each day? No carbs in there boy… no calories then, yeah? Show us all how you don’t gain weight from doing that…. go on. That’s your whole thing.. that’s what dietdoctor says you can do … your fucking hero you gormless idiot.

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  91. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Let me guess…. Eades peer reviewed the ‘dietdoctor’…. hahahahahaha…… you muppet

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  92. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Yet facts and cause and effect still render you wrong….;-)

    Calories count….phhhff!

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  93. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 8:11 pm that doesn’t even make any sense— gutless gibberish now clown.

    I lost excess fat on a zero fat diet… and lost it quick. Zero fat, zero sugar. A few carbs dude. As fast or faster than anyone eating any other kind of diet. It’s all food energy. It’s all numbers cuz. One day you might get it.

    I’m real…. not an internet fake talking bullshit lies out of his faggot size arsehole…. hahahahaha

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  94. mara (726 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, I’m guessing that you are either 12 years old or pathologically credulous as are many people raised by our education system in recent years; thankfully I am too old to have been so inflicted and am able to think clearly.

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  95. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 8:21 pm I don’t suffer fools gladly. Why should anyone?

    And utterly pathetic… no-one saw your story take place- it’s utterly unverifiable and so for all anyone knows 100% fiction. It’s anecdotal…. from you… typing words onto the internet. You think that’s good enough? People should just believe anything that’s typed onto a website? Are you serious?

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  96. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 7:55 pm Is that why you’d get your arse killed by anyone that’s at least half a real man? Because you’re not capable of getting in a helpful mood to defend yourself? Softcock faggot!!

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  97. Griff (6,808 comments) says:

    LRC
    welcome to the world of arguing against internet driven pseudoscience.
    If it is not peer reviewed science published in a reputable journal its not science its opinion and often worthless woo

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  98. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Griff 8:40 pm A men

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  99. mara (726 comments) says:

    L R and C. Fair enough 8.28. As a cynic by experience and nature and having tried and failed various reduction diets over many years, I’d be on your side. The internet is full of crap, disinformation and credulity. But once in a while it invites further thinking beyond one’s current parameters. Christ, ya wouldn’t know it but sometimes there is something to be learned. Look through history, the white-coated ones were not always right then or now as uncomfortable as that thought may be. Low carbing worked for me, that’s all I’m saying.

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  100. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 9:14 pm I can’t take you seriously mate- let’s cut ot the chase- you’re weak.

    I’m not thick. Plate tectonic theory was not accepted by anyone respectable straight away, but eventually….. it was… by the large majority of the respected scientific community. So don’t give me that line. You can’t always trust the experts… because sometimes they are wrong. Well… they’re not wrong about food energy, ok? The basics are well-established science and accepted fact… and you my friend are suspiciously as dingbat as the other dropkick.

    How insutling…. to insinuate I can’t think beyond my ‘current parameters’… get fucked… hahahaha!!!

    Did you try my diet? No. Calorie deficit. It doesn’t matter what the foods are. It doesn’t even matter if LCHF works better than anything else or not either… even if it does… it’s still got to produce a calorie deficit for a person to lose weight/ lose fat. That’s the whole crux of the argument.

    Your best mate posts a link to a site where a quack falsely misleads with a claim that certain foods eg fat, nuts and dairy products can be eaten in limitless quantites… and you won’t gain any weight. That’s preposterous and nonsensical idiocy of the highest order. Do you really think you can eat even 500g of butter/ additional butter each day and not gain weight?

    When you say you ate ‘whatever you wanted’- you may very well have. But what you ‘wanted’ to eat stopped short of creating a calorie surplus. Keep going, you’ll get the surplus, you’ll get the weight gain. This isn’t rocket science. Plenty of concepts are a lot harder to understand… energy equation is beautiful in its simplicity.

    Whatever mate- none of what you say is verifiable. If I claim to be able to run 10kms in under 45 minutes…. I can back that up with evidence. I can demonstrate that it can happen. It’s real and repeatable. I can’t see what you did and you telling me about it isn’t convincing concrete proof or evidence, is it? I don’t need a lightweight typing down to me in their posts thanks…. insulting my intelligence.. what a joke. As in…. who the fuck are you? What are your credentials in life, hmmm?

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  101. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    http://www.drbillofhealth.com/nutrition/doctors-nutrition-knowledge-settling-the-doctor-vs-dietitian-debate/

    There’s another link to a rational argument that discusses why the authority of the ‘dietdoctor’ probably isn’t worth a tin of shit.

    It’s rational, and it’s evidential support.

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  102. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Yet still low carb works…..golly actual facts are inconvenient to fascist fixed minds huh…? Lol!

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  103. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Oh…am I Mara this time…or me…? ;-)

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  104. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Calorie deficit….phhhff! Total fails to get that its NOT the calorie….its the FORM of the energy package and how ones body uses it…

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  105. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 9:48 pm Low anything will work you fucking little moron. You’re a headcase!!

    It’s the calorie deficit that works and that’s it. There’s a limited quantity of fat… or anything… that you can eat before you create a calorie surplus. Get it through your thick skull dumbarse!!

    Even if you ate only fat…. there’s a limited amount you can eat and then you’re running a calorie surplus. You can’t handle the truth!! You can’t accept being factually wrong. Maybe you just can’t handle being wrong about something? Grow up dick… you’ll feel better!!

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  106. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 9:53 pm hahahahaha… pseudoscience loser. I hope you join the grown-ups one day mate. You’re the one clinging to your hopelessly pathetic bullshit. Take a look on the internet…. is it just me that wants to shoot you down? Why don’t you argue with the rest of the planet that has got some commonsense you ignorant cunt!!

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  107. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Bullshit….Low fat-high carb makes one fat…..millions of examples exist…its been known for the last 200 hundred years at least that its true…Farmers have known this was the way to fatten cattle….get a clue idiot.

    If calories were the be all and end all then why does calorie restriction constantly fail to make one thinner…?

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  108. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    I lost weight on *zero* fat you ignorant cunt!! Um yeah… it made me *gain weight* not *lose weight* retard. And your alternating comments from ‘mara’ to ‘scorned’ looks very much like two accounts one person to me. It looks very very dodgy for sure.

    How was that possible then faggot? That someone lost weight with carbohydrate in their diet and zero fat? And fuck all dairy… I certainly didn’t go to town as suggested that it’s safe to do so by the faggotdoctor… hahahahaha. Quite the opposite.

    What… do you really think that unless you follow the faggotdoctor bullshit that no-one esle could possibly lose weight any other way? You are so fucked in the head… you’re the classic internet fuckin headcase… off the freakin planet. Tell me more about yourself. What other looney shit are you into, hmmm?

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  109. mara (726 comments) says:

    Of course whatever I say here is not verifiable. I never said it was. I also never said that eating bucket-loads of fat every day would lose you weight, just that the balance of the fat and carbs was the important factor. I don’t eat huge amounts of anything; I am not a pig. Never was. But when I refute the wisdom of the traditional food pyramid and present my own experience of weight loss which goes against the grain of traditional thinking, you leap about in a frenzy. Why? I actually don’t give a shit what people eat and never preach; it’s just that this subject came up on this blog and I put in my experience. If I said my credentials in critical thinking were sound, you’d likely reject that too. So I won’t bother.

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  110. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 10:01 pm High anything will make you fat. High carb, fat or protein. Why do you think fat is made out of magic low calorie pixie dust when eaten by itself?

    You’re fucked and were ever since posting the link to faggotdoctor. All you’ve got to do is accept that his advice is bullshit that you can eat ‘as much of these foods as you want’. Doesn’t that sound very much like wishful thinking to you? Like something that people who would like to lose weight but don’t want to give up eating treats and do it tough want to hear?

    That’s exactly what poeple want to hear…. eat as much as you want and lose weight. Yeah right!! It’s a con mate. You’ve been conned… taken right in by bogus bollocks. You’re the latest sucker. Wake up imbecile!!

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  111. Griff (6,808 comments) says:

    I smell demerits

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  112. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 10:11 pm So is it safe to assume that you accept that it’s a calorie deficit that enables weight/ fat loss?

    From you: the fat/ carb ratio is what you’re concerned with, not trying to defend a hopeless position of claiming that a person can eat any amount of fat without ever creating a calorie surplus?

    If that *is* safe to assume.. it certainly distinguishes your thinking from old headcase’s eh?

    The science isn’t totally settled of course regarding what the ‘best diet’ and proportion of fat/ carb/ protein etc… it’s an ongoing field of research and there’s a lot they don’t know or are unsure of. Modern science is young. Give it time at least.

    But it’s fairly fucking obvious that there’s only so much fat a person can eat…. at 37kj per gram… before they will create an energy surplus and gain weight. Same with carb… same with protein. Dickhead has fucked up by putting himself in the position of having to defend an absurdity and hasn’t got the gonads to fuckin admit it’s loopy. Too funny.

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  113. mara (726 comments) says:

    LR&C, I’ve had another glance at your blogs and in my considered, qualified opinion, you need to get a second opinion to review your medication. What you are on now is not working very well. Maybe a better diet would help … my advice is available at reasonable cost.

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  114. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 10:30 pm keep typing…. what else? Is that it? Keep going mate!! Don’t stop there……. you’re doing well mate…. come on, you can do better than that… I’m bitterly disappointed. What a let down!! I’d give that a C- and that’s just for trying at all. Far out!! Something wrong with our education system all right.

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  115. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    The thing with excess sat fat is that the body DOES NOT store it as “fat”…it can’t…Insulin doesn’t use it that way…so its either burned off straight away or passed straight through the body….get that you imbecile? Its doesn’t matter that sat fat is more calorie dense as the calories are not stored and get excreted out….so no “storage as bodyfat” problem.

    Geez…its like talking to a fucking brick wall..you even basic science bro….?

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  116. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    So- if I’m to understand this correctly-

    Fat has 37kj per gram. A person could eat any amount of fat and not gain weight. Because fat is magically not converted to stored bodyfat by the body when consumed in large quantities. Like….. 20 000kj of fat in one day. If the body burns 9 500kj in one day…. the other 10 500kj from fat magically don’t count… they don’t register. They don’t get metabolized. aha. The body doesn’t touch them. What happens to them? The body just magics them out the other end… there were too many to process so they for waved through. Hmmmm…. interesting. What a wonderful world that would be to live in. I could eat bacon all day long and gain no weight ever.

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  117. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 10:43 pm It doesn’t pass through the body- it all gets sucked up. You know- prior to this insane nonsense- actually because of you I think I read about that effect- if you eat enough fat at once then it passes through. The effect is minimal. You’re dreaming. Hey- is it my research? No. Scientists say that the effect you’re talking about is a bust mate- sorry, That’s the bad news. Oh, there’s a small effect, and that’s what it is- small. You’re not totally wrong from what I read- but it’s so small as to be bot worthwhile as a dieting strategy and negligible overall.

    That effect is real- but small. Whatever stunt you to try to pull to get the kilojoules to ‘pass straight through’… it’s really not working the way the quacks are leading you to believe it is.

    It’s wishful thinking that and ‘significant amount of calories’ is saved by doing anything like that.

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  118. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Yes….you wouldn’t. That’s because weight gain is a hormone issue….not an energy input one. Diesel and Aviation spirit are both fuels…but would you use diesel in a Lear jet? Why not…? think about it…

    Something to keep your eye on….

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/969284482/carb-loaded-a-culture-dying-to-eat

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  119. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Please explain…with supporting evidence how sat fat is just “sucked up” by the body and stored…when medical science has no evidence of this happening anytime ever…go on.

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  120. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 10:43 pm If you truly believe that… then as I’ve said top to bottom… run the experiment. Eat a lot of fat and only fat and one of two things will happen….. either you’re right… the fat ‘passes straight through’ no matter how many grams of fat you subsist on, which makes the kj values contextual, and quite frankly bullshit, or I’ll be right and the fair majority of kilojoules in the fat will in part fuel your body, and the rest will be stored as fat in fat cells.

    I would **love** you to be right. Truly. Then I could eat literally as much dairy an meat and nuts as I can fit into my supermarket trolley. I’ll tell you what though… I’m not buying it. I’m certainly not trying it… I want to see some very high quality scientific studies done first.

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  121. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 11:03 pm So what % of the kjs of fat do you think the body is storing as fat? None no matter ohw much you eat? At what does the body start converting consumed fat to bodyfat? You’re not trying to say that if you ate large quantities of fat that there’s never an amount large enough at which the body will absorb and convert fat to stored bodyfat are ya?

    It only converts carb and protein to stored bodyfat?

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  122. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    When labelling is done, be interesting to see how many calories ‘Zero’ coke has.

    [DPF: it is basically zero. They are already labelled on the cans. This is about labels on the vending machines so people see them before they buy]

    I accept that, but it does not explain why fatties tend to drink Coke Zero constantly. It seems to be compulsory for fatties.

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  123. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    griff said:

    LRC
    welcome to the world of arguing against internet driven pseudoscience.
    If it is not peer reviewed science published in a reputable journal its not science its opinion and often worthless woo

    You know what they say Scorn mate, if it’s too good to be true…. then it probably is.

    And if it looks like a fad diet… it probably is. And if carbs made ya fat… then a lot of folks in developing countries would be fat with their grain based diets. But no- it’s the westerners who eat too much animal based products…. and more of everything… more than their fuel-efficient bodies can burn…

    And chances are that if the guy selling you the idea doesn’t have directly related credentials…. what the fuck do they know? And if they’re on their own unsupported by the establishe scientific community… then chances are they’re misguided.

    There’s all kinds of lunatic thinking and ideas and philosophies and mayhem on the internet. It was born for that. It was made for it.

    http://www.drbillofhealth.com/nutrition/you-are-what-you-eat-but-careful-who-says-so/

    Sorting the good stuff from the bullshit. Magical fat calories that pass straight through. I fucking wish, I really do. Everyone wishes that were true.

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  124. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Sat fat is by itself far more satiating to ones appetite than sugar and crabs are…so as well as the non conversion of it to body fat by its chemical composition there’s also the factor that you don’t feel the need to eat as much of it …so here’s your “calorie restriction” right there if you need it…but its a secondary factor. Thats the 1-2 punch of Low carbing.

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  125. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Kea 11:08 pm I’ve found my soulmate Kea. You’ve got Griff… now I’ve had my civil union. I’ve never been so elated.

    I’m not fat but the Pepsi Max…. that’s the only bloody thing you really can have a lot of without fear of kilojoules… bloody wonderful stuff!!

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  126. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Low carbing isn’t a “fad” diet or new…in fact its old knowledge. The “fad” was the popular but baseless “low fat” diet of Ancel Keys that has spectacularly failed to “cure” obesity…

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  127. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The Scorned 11:26 pm Don’t worry- I’ve read about high fat content keeping you feeling full for longer and I’ve run that experiment myself- two litres of ice cream in one go with all manner of toppings. Full for fuckin hours and hours. And that’s after I’d lost weight. And then I had to work off the energy of the ice cream at a later date. Or I’d put on weight. Can’t have that.

    In fact I had to lie down and there might even have been a small food coma.

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  128. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    You do know that Ice crème was full of sugar right…? The creme-fat content would not have been stored on you as fat…

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  129. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    A lot of this crap no-one knew anything about before the info free-flow of the net. I know I didn’t give a rat’s arse about any of it.

    When someone says ‘eat all you like’ out of meat, dairy or veg. That’s dangerous because you can put on weight eating too much meat and dairy. And nuts. And yes even the veges. That’s not really the best advice.

    It’s certainly thinking that’s in the minority, not that that’s conclusive… but a lot of the time that’s a good clue.

    Studies…. well studies are tricky, aren’t they? There’s studies and then there’s studies and how they’re interpreted etc… it’s all a bit dodgy… and then you get folks who want interpret them in a way that suits them. Then the studies themselves have to be high quality… which leave even people with science degrees bamboozled due to their often dazzling detailed techniques and inferences and cause and effect etc. There’s at the very least some risk with appeals to authority.

    Perfect example:

    http://www.zoeharcombe.com/blog/

    This woman tries to get to the bottom of a typical media translation of the latest study…. she’s says it’s a wee bit flawed. I’ll have to take her word for it. Controversial.

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  130. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Why are you spelling cream as creme?

    Fully aware of the fat/ sugar ratio.

    We’re going to have to agree to disagree. You’re religiously and devoutly stuck fast to the notion that fat passes straight through the body or something. Which doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you ate nothing but fat, the body would want to use it as a fuel source… and then I’m trying to work out why the body magically stops absorbing it once it has got all the energy it needs to fuel the body, and then doesn’t store any more than it needs. The extra unneeded fat simply keeps on trucking out the backdoor as waste. I really don’t think that’s quite how it works, but whatever you want to think. And that’s down to hormones.

    Yeah well… I’m sure it’s possible for the body to store excess consumed fat as bodyfat. I’ll be looking into it. But.. I don’t mind being wrong, whereas you’re clearly so heavily invested in your beliefs that it would be a deathblow to have to change your thinking. That’s not a free thinker. And if you’re not free- you’re constrained. Tied up. Prisoner of clinging to an idea at all costs. It’s not good.

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  131. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Well….keep watching the science……the truth will out whatever…

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  132. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    This has been fantastic for weight control- all I’ve eaten in the evening was four carrots with tomato sauce and a couple of apples and kiwifruit…. hahahahahaha…. thanks Scorned… you’re helping me keep the calories down brother…. well done mate.

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  133. Griff (6,808 comments) says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-dixon/weight-loss-secrets_b_3643898.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
    There is no doubt that we live in a world of manipulation, false promises and exaggerated claims. This is especially true in the fitness industry. I’ve been a personal trainer for more than 11 years, and clients and friends are always telling me about the next amazing diet or exercise program. Like Insanity or P90X hold the secrets to fat loss.

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  134. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    To go on with…

    http://www.raisin-hell.com/2010/05/why-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no.html

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  135. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Here is a compilation page of plenty of info links for those interested….

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/57440891958/doc/10150785419611959/

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  136. mara (726 comments) says:

    LR and C, there is no magical weight loss technique that requires no effort for fatties to become slim. If there were, most fat people would happily adopt it and be able to buy clothes, walk without effort, be able to wash their backsides without help and not be stared at on the street and not have to inject themselves with insulin. Society is awash with the mental and physical pathology of obesity rates that we never saw before. Most fat people believe that low-cal/low fat is the answer because they are constantly being told so by health authorities. So they sign up to Weight Watchers and starve themselves for a time. At a quess, about 95% fail to last more than weeks or months. Hunger and desire for “banned” food usually wins in the end. So it goes.

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  137. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    mara 6:27 pm

    Well, you’re preaching to the choir for most of your post. This is a big, big, big topic and there’s a lot out there….

    When you say low fat… low fat relative to the amount of fat and sugar that clinically obese people eat perhaps.

    The science is by no means settled about exactly what foods in what quantities people should eat.

    We can agree on a few things. Eat a certain type and amount of food/ foods/ drink/ kilojoules… and a person will gain weight, and become overweight/ obese.

    If a person becomes vitamin deficient, they can/ will develop scurvy for eg. So… things like that are well known and accepted *by everyone*

    I’ve been to websites that suggest that a person’s diet consist of anywhere from 20-35% ‘good’ fats, and no more than 10% of food energy from trans fats. 20-35% of your kilojoules coming from fat… well.. is that ‘low fat’? It might be for someone who is obese. If they are getting a lot of kilojoules from fat, then from their perspective the recommended daily limit would be ‘low fat’.

    Most fat people believe that low-cal/ low fat is the answer…

    What are ‘most fat people’ like? They’re not all morons who can’t read for themselves about the best ways to lose weight without starving themselves. Let’s say that a person is obese and it’s too many kilojoules causing it, they’re going to have to change something. A lot of them are just eating/ drinking too much and that’s fine.. but own it. Don’t blame anything else. Gerry Brownlee is a very successful obese man. I wonder what he would say about his size?

    I get it…. I really really do. I was overweight… loved my food… loved sweets and crap… loved big dinners… putting away a block of chocolate, fantastic. Then I became hellbent on losing weight and losing the gut… and I did it. But all I really did was swap one form of hell for another. You’re a prisoner of your diet… you get intense food cravings, and eventually you have to give in, break free of the shackles and splurge. If I’m never ever allowed to eat something ‘wrong’ you can kill me now… that’s a living death and I won’t do it.

    How did I lose weight? Read about it on the internet. Learnt about calories… how the body burns energy. I think we can agree that the body ‘burns energy’, right? We can agree that kilojoules ‘exist’, can’t we? We can agree that there’s a big food energy difference in energy value between say…. cabbage and cooking oil, can’t we?

    I didn’t sign up for Weight Watchers… or anything. I did a bit of reading…. changed my diet radically… increased my physical activity. I worked my nads off and I lost 15-18kg in three months. I went zero fat, zero sugar during those three months. Which is wrong. You shouldn’t go zero fat. But I cheated anyway. I cared about energy values, I got a tiny bit of fat from tuna and oats, and that was it. All I can say is that I didn’t come across LCHF or paleo to even know about it to try it…. I saw CICO and that’s what I did. And so far… it’s ‘worked’ for me. Now if I eat rubbish… it’s an informed choice. And I do eat rubbish… I love sweets. I love my home made biscuits. I have the knowledge and experience now to choose what I do about it… I’m not giving up eating nice things.

    So how did I do it? I was one of the ‘helpless fat masses’ too. Well… quite overweight at least. All I needed was the internet, running shoes, weights and motivation. The supermarket is my only external resource. How have I done it so far? Dieting fails, does it? Everyone gains the weight back. So far… I haven’t. October I was overweight. Jan 1 I wasn’t. July and I’m not. It will be an informed choice if I give up. Because eating is pleasurable. It’s fun. It tastes good. It’s a great feeling. If I could, I’d eat all day long. But you can’t. It’s painful, it’s tough, it’s a prison sentence… but it’s one or the other. They’re both painful options. If you’re overweight…. there’s the potential health problems and personal appearance. If you’re in shape… it’s tough, it’s painful… you’re restricted… a slave to the scales.. .and in the end you wonder why on earth you’re going through hell just for a number by your feet. And then you read about visceral fat wrapped around the internal organs of fat people that can do all manner of horrible things unseen from the outside… and you think ‘ok, there’s a reason why’. You read about all the health benefits of physical activity… not that I gave a shit about health benefits to start off with… and you think ‘right, not a total waste of time either’.

    Yes, most people want eat to goodies. Me too. They have to learn that they can change their diet without trying to eliminate the goodies 100%. The bottomline is, is that yes; they’ll have to work out how to get their total calories down from the amount they’re consuming now. If they can’t, then they’ll never lose weight, that’s for sure. Are obese people never to blame for their weight? Is it always an external factor- genetics, hormones, food manufacturers, advertising, taste additives, added salt and sugar.

    What’s the answer then? What do you reckon… send them off to an Indian shantytown? That might be the only way- seeing as the poor darlings simply can’t stop putting the wrong things in their mouth and it’s always someone or something else’s fault.

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  138. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    I drove a recycling truck for a short time, and my offisider… who had been picking up shit off the side of the street his whole life and was then about 30… he was a total fucking moron by any measure.

    I watched this idiot eat shit all the time. He nothing but shit. Whatever he wanted. He didn’t eat any ‘healthy food’. He brought along leftovers from dinner one day. They’d had hotdogs for dinner. Hotdogs for fucking dinner wrapped in cheap bread.

    Biscuits, soft drink, pies, fast food…. anything. And this little fucker was only about 70-80kg. He wasn’t overweight even a little bit.

    So… maybe physical activity works? Now I’m waiting for all the claims of ‘genetics/ fast metabolism/ high fat which has no calorie value according to LCHF folks/ eats until full and doesn’t overeat. All of which could be very real contributory factors. This fool really didn’t care about nutrition or kilojoules… and it looks like with the physical job he could eat *anything* and it *couldn’t touch him*.

    But let’s run that experiment. Ask yourself- how much physical activity do these obese people get? I’ve seen too much anecdotal evidence, too many personal observations- exercise must work, burning off energy. Even if you want to eat for Africa… exercise will do something.

    Are the obese people getting any exercise? Nah- that’s too difficult too. There’s excuses- some of them acceptable. Don’t have the time. Well… try *something*. Just try. If you don’t try something you’ll never get anywhere.

    Do you *gain* fat from physical activity? No. You don’t. Everyone agree? Can you lose fat from physical activity? I think you can. It’s not just food. I ran when I was overweight. I ran in 2006 for eg…just over 1 000kms that year.

    I had some sweets tonight…. but I *walked* to the dairy to get them. You’d like to run the experiment… get off their arse and move… and see if that does anything. If not, just go back to failing and blaming genetics and hormones. Which is a lot easier than going for a walk.

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  139. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    The reason that people are fat….

    1) Food is fucking awesome. Especially high sugar/ high fat. Meat is good. Dairy is good. Soft drink is good. Tomato sauce. Pies. Ice cream. Lots of food, very very enjoyable.

    2) People like feeling full. Some people don’t know what hunger is on any level. They are *never* hungry…. they don’t get anywhere near that point. What they think hunger is- is nothing.

    3) Lots of people do fuck all. No physical activity. Desk jobs. No exercise.

    4) Food is cheap, it’s everywhere you go, it looks good and tastes and smells fantastic. It’s irresistible. Try walking in and out of a bakery… the look and smell of the pies and cakes is insane.

    5) In yer face advertising, and food manufacturers and fast food chains that employ food scientists to work out how to make their products addictive through ‘taste additives’ etc. That’s why you could keep eating Big Macs and always want another one, even when you’re fucked from them.

    6) The sad truth that most human bodies really don’t need much energy to keep them ticking. So… there’s a certain amount of kilojoule energy you can give it and that’s it. There’s a limit to what you can burn, no limit to what you can eat. One more time- a limit to what a body can burn, no limit to what it can eat. And no limit to food availability in NZ. And eating is good clean fun. It lights up the pleasure centres in the brain like nothing else, and releases happy chemicals like dopamine. Why not eat like there’s no tomorrow? The real question is: how is it possible that there is anyone who is *not* overweight?

    7) They’ve not tried diet & exercise, or have and failed, or not known what they were doing. Or tried different things and can’t do it.

    8) Genetics and hormones etc. Now even if there are physiological reasons why some people are predisposed to putting on weight more than others, have they at least tried diet and exercise? Let’s try that experiment first, and see what happens. Rule that out first, and then get back to me.

    Maybe there are some people out there who are not overweight…. and food isn’t a ‘thing’ for them. It’s not a problem. They eat when they need to and that’s it. For a lot of people, to be on a ‘restrictive’ diet- restrictive compared to what they’d *really* like to do at least- it’s going to be tough, hard work and painful. It’s meant to be like that. They’d be better off if they had ‘no choice’. Forced to eat a controlled and restricted diet.

    (Everyone is on a ‘restricted’ diet in some way. Even fat people. Whatever they eat, what if I asked them to eat more and they said no thanks I’ve had enough? If they could eat more, and choose not to…. well…. it’s some form of self-restrictment (restrictment- I’m making up words again) isn’t it?)

    No, it hasn’t been easy for me. My numbers have been faaaaantastic, but the numbers alone don’t tell the story of what I’ve been through to control my weight. It involves sacrifice and compromise. No, you can’t just eat whatever the fuck you want at any time. You have to give up certain foods in certain quantities. It’s like smoking mate- you can’t be a non-smoker and smoke a pack a day. Well, obviously that doesn’t work. See? I reckon that if all the fatties went on my diet- they’d all lose weight like nothing else. Simple as that. Without any exercise either. I’d even let them eat some sweets and biscuits each week. They’d still lose a shit ton. I’d be very very interested to meet a fattie that was fat even though they ate the same amount as I do. That really *would* have to be genetics!!

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