Cars off the golden mile?

July 11th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Michael Forbes at Dom Post reports:

Cars could be banished from more parts of the Golden Mile when gets its new public transport system.

The Wellington Public Transport Spine Study, which investigated the merits of light rail and a dedicated busway from the CBD to Newtown and Kilbirnie, did so on the basis that cars would be completely blocked from parts of Courtenay Place and Willis St during the day.

In Courtenay Place, this would happen between Taranaki St and Cambridge Terrace from 7am to 7pm on weekdays, with limited access possible between peak hours if necessary. Willis St would become bus or tram only between Manners St and Lambton Quay from 9am to 5pm on weekdays. Southbound cars are already banned from this section of the road.

A decision on the changes will not be made until next year, after local and central government have picked either a light rail system for $904 million, or a bus rapid transit system for $207m, as the long-term solution to public transport demand in Wellington.

But the forecast savings of between 6 and 11 minutes for both systems is modelled on the assumption the changes will occur.

I haven’t got a problem with this, as there are good alternatives running parallel to those roads.

But the idea I did like was from Bob Jones to ban all vehciles from Lampton Quay, and turn it into a huge pedestrian mall with more street cafes etc. That would be great.

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34 Responses to “Cars off the golden mile?”

  1. wreck1080 (3,958 comments) says:

    Haven’t been to lambton quay for ages but closing the road would help on really windy days too , preventing people from being blown into traffic.

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  2. Redbaiter (9,561 comments) says:

    Its coming to Auckland too now that Key and National have given the go ahead for light rail.

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  3. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    Absolutely crazy, crazy idea. Only Greenies, haters of motor vehicles, can be behind this.

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  4. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I guess it’s fair enough.

    Sort of makes sense – well at least more sense than storing most of our National treasures in the basement of a building on the waterfront of a city prone to earthquakes and tsunami.

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  5. Griff (8,175 comments) says:

    Onehunga
    converted to a walking mall in the eighties
    totally killed the retail community. since the road was reinstalled it has boomed
    no cars no public no point

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  6. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    I haven’t got a problem with it so long as they ban those buses. Send them around the outside and do as Bob Jones suggests – pedestrianise it.

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  7. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    A lot of people work in the area, so the shops are supported. Few people go into Lampton Quay to park and shop.

    Pedestrian centre works well in Brisbane.

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  8. mikemikemikemike (331 comments) says:

    You can be really hypocritical sometimes DPF – you claim to be all about free market economics and letting individuals make a choice. But the second something you like comes along you support blanket bans on something (such a communist thing to do).
    Examples –

    You are against Auckland having a rail loop (you hated the idea until JK supported it)…

    You think its OK to have central government dictate to local government when it suits them (you) and in so doing, over-ride the democratically elected governing body.

    You think we should all be funding Libraries but there is no way we should be funding school buildings or prisons.

    You are becoming more and more obviously a lap dog for National and less a respected blogger.

    [DPF: Well done. You’ve managed to lie and misrepresent every single one of my positions except funding libraries. Be warned that you won’t be here for long if you keep lying about me]

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  9. Brian Harmer (687 comments) says:

    May I remind you that there is no “p” in Lambton … they have moved it to Grey Street

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  10. Simon (760 comments) says:

    “Cars could be banished” What is it with these central planning turds? People like cars.

    When the free market builds retail ie shopping malls the car parks are huge. People like cars.

    Snobby Wellington statist wankers might not like shopping malls but they are very popular with retailers and public alike.

    “as there are good alternatives running parallel to those roads”
    No there isn’t as people like cars. Like saying because there are no cars a mule and cart are a really good alternative.

    The only way Statist can get people onto public transport is if they kill roads and car parks.

    Is there any shopping mall near (ie within 20 minutes car drive) the Golden Mile. I doubt it.

    A shopping mall with car parking would kill the Statist car free so called Golden Mile.

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  11. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Good to see Wellington looking at this. Fewer and fewer kms are being traveled in private vehicles in the west as well as vehicle ownership dropping (I don’t have numbers for NZ, but would not be surprised at all that they’re going the same way), both as part of rising costs, but also because the younger generation is preferring to live closer to either public transit or walking distance in urban centers (plus cheaper flights for long-haul trips).

    The roads-only focus of NZTA really needs to change. Yes, many roads need work, but with a dwindling number of users, money also needs to be spent on more efficient ways of moving people quickly, especially as NZ continues to urbanise. See how Auckland’s rail and Northern busway have taken off since relatively paltry sums were spent (in comparsion with the RONS projects) – rail patronage up 7 fold in the last decade years despite still having an incredibly inefficient system, and the Northern busway running buses very frequently such that private vehicle numbers across the bridge have actually dropped over the last 5 years, while people across the bridge continues to rise, all due to more people using the buses. Once Auckland gets the new trains, integrated ticketing, and the rail link between the Western and Britomart, downtown will transform. The property developers are jumping on board (no doubt one of the reasons the Nats came out in support).

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  12. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    Good idea. It would allow the buses to flow a lot freer through there.

    There are major arterial roads running parallel to the ‘golden mile’ that are perfect for car traffic. They are only a block away, you simply don’t need to drive up Lambton Quay / lower Willis Street – and why would you, unless you enjoy waiting for pedestrian cycles at red lights?

    But I suppose there will always be those for whom one way roads, bus lanes and No Left Turn signs are all simply manifestations of an invasive ideological nanny state – to be hated and ranted about!

    [We should all be free to drive at any speed, on any side of the road we prefer, there should be no traffic lights, giving way rules or highway patrols :-) ]

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  13. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    Simon>Is there any shopping mall near (ie within 20 minutes car drive) the Golden Mile. I doubt it.

    Queensgate. Porirua. And Johnsonville are all 20 minutes or so away, except at rush hour. If Johnsonville is your thing then go for it. I’m happy with Lambton Quay and Cuba St.

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  14. Nigel Kearney (1,047 comments) says:

    The anti-car agenda is idiocy but is nothing to do with this. Only a tiny percentage of people shopping in Lambton Quay drive their car down it. And plenty of car-loving people like myself take the bus to work because the services are fast and convenient. The slowness in Lambton Quay is the only downside.

    However I doubt that removing private vehicles will really fix it. Buses spend most of their time waiting behind other buses or at pedestrian crossings, and it seems like there is a stop every 100m or so which is completely unnecessary as well.

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  15. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    Is there any shopping mall near (ie within 20 minutes car drive) the Golden Mile. I doubt it.

    A shopping mall with car parking would kill the Statist car free so called Golden Mile.

    :-P Let me google that for you:

    Porirua, 20 minutes

    https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?saddr=Lambton+Quay,+Wellington&daddr=Porirua&hl=en&ll=-41.29019,174.810333&spn=0.41068,0.639954&sll=-40.990265,175.047913&sspn=0.501709,1.279907&geocode=FbEHiv0dj95qCiE_MvHxzK5HZimV-6xU1K84bTE_MvHxzK5HZg%3BFbRYjP0dGdtrCimPNQ8onFY_bTEUmaJDYe8ABQ&oq=lambto&t=h&mra=ls&z=10

    Queensgate, 18 Minutes

    https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?saddr=Lambton+Quay,+Wellington&daddr=Westfield+Queensgate,+Lower+Hutt&hl=en&sll=-41.29019,174.810333&sspn=0.41068,0.639954&geocode=FbEHiv0dj95qCiE_MvHxzK5HZimV-6xU1K84bTE_MvHxzK5HZg%3BFckwi_0dX9xsCiGeT1-U4tR23ilzvKbXVao4bTGeT1-U4tR23g&oq=queensgate&t=h&mra=ls&z=12

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  16. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Golden mile??? Phnar.
    Has all the character of peterborough and the weather of oslo.

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  17. Redbaiter (9,561 comments) says:

    That’s what puts me off public transport.

    Can you imagine being in the same vehicle everyday with the unwashed liberals/ progs who frequent this blog?? Good grief.

    Give me the peace and security and hygiene and comfort and freedom of my air conditioned car any day.

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  18. Harriet (5,121 comments) says:

    “…..But the idea I did like was from Bob Jones to ban all vehciles from Lampton Quay, and turn it into a huge pedestrian mall with more street cafes etc. That would be great…..”

    Quite so DPF.

    Lived in Wellington and Christchurch. What lacked in both cities was the lack of seating -more so in ChCH square – wrought iron tables and chairs in the styles that cafes in Paris have would see thousands of people frequenting these places – daily. People of class too – rather than the usual rag tag unemployed who frequent public places.

    People do make an effort in their appearance if it is expected of them in public places – important racedays speak of that. In France and Italy it is only natural to appear discerning in taste when going about one’s daily matters. And that would rub off on the lower class in NZ too. Cheers.

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  19. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    …freedom of my air conditioned car any day.

    :lol: LOL

    What an ideological dreamer you are Weddy.

    The “freedom” to be in a queue of commuters waiting at a traffic light or crawling along the motorway in first gear.

    I “enjoyed” that freedom today. It was shit! It reminded my why I usually catch the train to work.

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  20. Simon (760 comments) says:

    “The “freedom” to be in a queue of commuters waiting at a traffic light or crawling along the motorway in first gear.”

    Yet most are prepared to do this. Can you make the connection………. Think brain think. People like cars.

    Ok thanks there are 2 shopping malls within 20 minutes of the Golden Mile. Thats it then.

    The State to kill cars & the Golden Mile is no more. Retailers will move to where the real money is.

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  21. Redbaiter (9,561 comments) says:

    If progs were not obsessed with having “central cities” the problems would soon fade away.

    As long as they persist with this “heart of the city” feel good liberal garbage we will continue to have problems.

    De-centralisation is the solution, but it reduces the capacity of the progs to control us, therefore its been shelved.

    In actuality, there is no reason today why cities need hearts, or why they can’t have multiple hearts. Central city areas are outmoded by technological advances.

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  22. Redbaiter (9,561 comments) says:

    The joys of public transport-

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  23. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    Yet most are prepared to do this. Can you make the connection………. Think brain think. People like cars.

    Are you sure your “most” shouldn’t be revised to “many”?

    Two full eight-car Matangi trains sailed past me while I was crawling down the Hutt Rd this morning, That’s two and a half thousand people who apparently find public transport works better for them.

    Think brain think :-P

    PS:
    And is TWO shopping malls not enough? How many do you need? They all contain the same shops – chain retailers that can afford the sky-high leases.

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  24. Harriet (5,121 comments) says:

    “…..I “enjoyed” that freedom today. It was shit! It reminded my why I usually catch the train to work…..”

    Well we wouldn’t be seen dead in your shitty old Triumph either RRM! :cool:

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  25. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    You wouldn’t be capable of driving my Triumph weakling.

    But sadly I was in the sensible car this morning.

    Thanks for your stalking concern… :cool:

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  26. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    As long as they persist with this “heart of the city” feel good liberal garbage we will continue to have problems.

    De-centralisation is the solution, but it reduces the capacity of the progs to control us, therefore its been shelved.

    In actuality, there is no reason today why cities need hearts, or why they can’t have multiple hearts. Central city areas are outmoded by technological advances.

    Yes.

    I’m not sure you can lay the blame for this at the feet of “progs” alone – every business that has premises in the central city is apparently to blame…?

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  27. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Must be great playing with that much of other peoples money.
    Celia: Hey Clint, do we want cars on Lambton Quay?
    Clint: Nah, only rich pricks drive cars. Close it off.
    Celia: I wonder how much that’ll cost…
    That last lines a joke, she never said nor thought that.

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  28. Harriet (5,121 comments) says:

    “….weakling…”

    You’d hear me coming from two miles away RRM – and I don’t drive – work that out son! :cool:

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  29. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    You ride a bucket of bolts?

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  30. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Golden mile ? Seriously.

    Lambton Quay is a horrid street full of tatty crap.

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  31. Griff (8,175 comments) says:

    Harry it
    The good thing with rrms 2500pi is he gets to wave as he passes.
    The old pommys do 200kmh in manual overdrive
    I am still trying to imagine what you can hear two ks away
    An Ass?

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  32. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (3,848) Says:
    July 11th, 2013 at 11:03 am
    That’s what puts me off public transport.

    Can you imagine being in the same vehicle everyday with the unwashed liberals/ progs who frequent this blog?? Good grief.

    A real man of the people :)

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  33. mikemikemikemike (331 comments) says:

    @Dpf – how am I lying about you? Or are you just pissed off that I made a solid enough point that you would rather boot me than clarify your position?

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  34. big bruv (14,141 comments) says:

    I am positive that those who support this stupid move forget the one salient point.

    We are talking about Wellington!

    Gale force winds are the norm, couple this with lashing rain coming in sideways will make the dream of a “café” district laughable.

    I am not sure what it is with my fellow native Wellingtonians, so many of them seem to be on a mission to try and convince the rest of NZ that the weather is something other than what it actually is.

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