Garner on the coup

July 10th, 2013 at 3:47 pm by David Farrar

Duncan Garner on Radio Live talks about the planned coup for Labour, and how he had two sources – one inside and one outside the caucus. He says the strategy is death by 1,000 cuts.

The key is that Robertson wants Shearer to remain Leader, so he can lose – and Robertson takes over after the election. So his faction wants to keep Shearer there. But other factions know their best chance is to move now.

Listen to the whole seven minutes piece.

I think I’m going to order a giant carton of popcorn for the next few days!

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47 Responses to “Garner on the coup”

  1. DylanReeve (166 comments) says:

    Why is Labour so dysfunctional? They make it really hard to support them.

    What senior MP actually hopes for the party to lose? Argh.

    Of course Garner could just be high.

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  2. Monique Angel (291 comments) says:

    Weak links? God It ‘s getting so old, I can’t remember who is for who.

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  3. gretchenp (5 comments) says:

    Hearing this unfold is better than the Kardashians!!

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  4. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    He is running one right into the spokeperson for male pattern baldness. I would be astonished if Cosgrove actually fronts on his show after 5.
    I have never heard a msm commentator go so completely feral on a politician or pollitical party.
    Well wortjh a listen right now if anybody is near a radio

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  5. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Again, I wonder what genius looked at the Rudd-Gillard mess and thought “you know, we could do that in the NZ Labour Party”.

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  6. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    If that is true and Robertson is prepared for Labour to lose a second election [post-Clark] solely to further his personal leadership ambition, then the man is not fit to lead a merry dance.

    Which would happen to be was he is doing to the Labour members.

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  7. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    @davidP – because that has been such a great disaster for Labor’s poll results.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/07/09/newspoll-50-50-9/

    All you National party cheerleaders should be careful what you hope for. Someone running Labour who is only a couple of percentage points more popular than Shearer and Key will be spending a lot more time playing golf in Hawaii after the next election.

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  8. KapitiCoast (114 comments) says:

    Reading comments on various news sites, political blogs and the left posters are…wait for it…blaming this on National, or infering the ‘letter’ story was leaked by National MP’s…now I support National, but do object and disagree with policy and actions here and there, i’m not a sychophant slave follower, but 80% of their policy I agree with and that’ll do for me, if a party had 100% policies/actions I agreed with it would be the KapitiCoast Party and i’d be the leader!…I really do feel sad and indeed sorry for alot of people that support the left, this includes Green/Labour supporters as they have basically all bandied together and pooh pooh anything National does/do (even if they actually agree with it), and this Labour infighting is Nationals fault heehee, these are the same sychophants that once shearer is dumped will be shouting ‘The king is dead, long live the king’…tossers the fucking lot!

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  9. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Buy pop corn while u can afford it.

    Blue supporters shouldn’t be too smug, Shearer is as big a National asset as he is a Labour liability. An energetic, charismatic and articulate leader of Labour might be a serious challenge to JK.

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  10. shoreboy57 (140 comments) says:

    Calling Garner out as a liar as Robertson, King, Chippie and even Mallard (joke) effectively did last night will be like a red rag to a bull to Duncan

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  11. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    I feel a tad sorry for Shearer, but i am still going to buy in another truck load of popcorn !!

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  12. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    Dear God, our popcorn boxes will need to be .com huge!

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  13. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Quite frankly I don’t know why the Labour Party got rid of Goff! Lets face it he was superior to Shearer. Shearer is Politically illiterate, a blind man could see that. The Labour Party just haven’t got anyone with suitable to be a Leader, Andrew Little has the personality of a snake, just a nasty piece of goods.

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  14. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    I heard Grant Robertson in Parliament today, what an idiotic immature speech. Having him for the next labour leader might luckily carry on the labour plunge

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  15. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    Duncan Garner really has no reason to lie about this; it’s not as if he was on air or about to go on air last night when all this blew up. On the other hand, a leadership change to a Cunliffe-led ticket would see the likes of Mallard, Cosgrove, Goff, King and Shearer relegated to the furthest back benches, with huge pressure on them to stand down altogether in 2014.

    Garner’s explanation this afternoon sounded pretty credible.

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  16. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Excellent!

    What that party probably needs most right now, is someone who wants the leadership enough to plot a coup for it..

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  17. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    The key is that Robertson wants Shearer to remain Leader, so he can lose – and Robertson takes over after the election. So his faction wants to keep Shearer there. But other factions know their best chance is to move now.

    Which ties in nicely with the loudest denials coming from Robertson – who would be on the outside of this one.

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  18. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Garner just got nailed by cosgrove on garners program.
    I dont know why paddy/garner said they had a letter when they didnt so a win to cosgrove id say on that

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  19. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    For some, the critical date is 23 August, which is the last day to get a nomination for a local government seat. Afterall that is what used up MPs usually do, – i.e. prolong their political career in local govt.

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  20. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I heard that some in the labour party feel NZ isn’t ready for an openly gay PM.

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  21. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    YesWeDid … I think that most National Party cheerleaders are hoping like hell that Shearer stays the course …. such sentiment doesn’t appear to have a lot of currency in the Labour caucus.

    About the only thing going for Shearer is the naked ambition evident in Cunliffe/Roberston/Little/Jones and Ardern camps … inflated egos and ambivalent in respect of each other and will do deals to keep the others out.

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  22. Mags (38 comments) says:

    Great to hear Garner call Cosgrove a ‘nasty piece of work’ and that Cosgrove had leaked lots of dirt on Cunnliffe, but since his (Garner’s) integrity had been called into question he was dropping Cosgove in it. Great to see the media attacking Labour with such vigour.

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  23. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    I heard that left wing hack Soper telling Larry Williams that there was no serious talk of a coup and that Shearer is safe. He checked with his reliable contacts to confirm this so I presume he phoned his best friend Helen at the UN.

    What a soft cock.

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  24. David Garrett (7,281 comments) says:

    It won’t surprise many here to hear that polis of all parties are able to mix in at least a superficially friendly fashion when they are not “on”, i.e not required to put on a performance on behalf of themselves or their party…when the cameras aren’t running, and the spotlight is elsewhere. In the present lot, there are very few exceptions to that rule: two who stand out though are Russel Norman and Cosgrove…the latter is probably one of the nastiest individuals I have ever met…and seemingly completely lacking in self insight…if this latest bout of self immolation by Labour results in the end of that man’s career, NZ politics will be very much the better for it…and aside from everything else (and for obvious reasons I can’t spell out why I say this) in a one on one situation he is a snivelling coward…

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  25. RandySavage (222 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  26. RandySavage (222 comments) says:

    Garner btw is being played like a cheap VHS tape

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  27. David Garrett (7,281 comments) says:

    Randy: In this great democracy of ours everyone is entitled to their view…Cheap wine? What a dreadful slur!

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  28. RandySavage (222 comments) says:

    why is Littles name even in the mix? the guy has the charisma of a fax machine

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  29. huckleberryfinsbrother (25 comments) says:

    David Garrett (4,014) Says: July 10th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    It won’t surprise many here to hear that polis of all parties are able to mix in at least a superficially friendly fashion when they are not “on”, i.e not required to put on a performance on behalf of themselves or their party…when the cameras aren’t running, and the spotlight is elsewhere. In the present lot, there are very few exceptions to that rule: two who stand out though are Russel Norman and Cosgrove…the latter is probably one of the nastiest individuals I have ever met…and seemingly completely lacking in self insight…if this latest bout of self immolation by Labour results in the end of that man’s career, NZ politics will be very much the better for it…and aside from everything else (and for obvious reasons I can’t spell out why I say this) in a one on one situation he is a snivelling coward…

    Mr Garrett, I think Cosgrove will be struggling. The idea of standing in the Christchurch seat instead of Waimakariri, is
    not brilliant. But then of course we have Caygills son there as well. Interesting, no one likes either of them
    I am in Nicky Wagners electorate seat hard to know what will happen, because everything has changed.
    I am personally thinking Nicky will romp home again, she is not brilliant but steady
    I think any left wing sentiment will be used up by Liane butch Dalzeil
    When I see Nicky at supermarket I say, you can thank me for the votes I collected for you.
    She says yes, Paul,
    People say Christchurch will turn left, but I do not think so

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  30. huckleberryfinsbrother (25 comments) says:

    RandySavage (148) Says: July 10th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    “Youre a fool Garrett. A fool who stole a dead childs identity and now spends his nights getting drunk on cheap wine and posting inane dribble on the internet”

    I want to say, and I hope not out of line, that a man should not swing for a foolish mistake in his youth. At the time the idea of having a new identity was quite fashionable. We had all seen the film. It was fashionable in the same way that all men were rapists.
    Who between us has not made a bad mistake, take the plank out of your own eye Randy Savage, it is you the fool

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  31. projectman (224 comments) says:

    “He says the strategy is death by 1,000 cuts.”

    Yes, and he seems to be delighting in inflicting every one of them.

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  32. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    In Garner’s spiel above he said that two things would happen – MPs would lie about what is happening, and they would attack and try to discredit him. He said that’s how coups work.

    Then he “interviewed” Clayton Cosgrove: http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Clayton-Cosgrove-and-Duncan-Garner-go-head-to-head-over-Shearer-and-coup/tabid/506/articleID/36641/Default.aspx

    Cosgrove lied and he tried to discredit Garner.

    All I don’t know is whether Cosgrove proved Garner right deliberately or ignorantly.

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  33. doggone7 (805 comments) says:

    “News” media is so interesting in this era with the multitude of channels for belching out stuff. Because it is so pervasive, when people like Garner get into some sort of orgasmic frenzy with an angle, the whole world knows. What would Marshall McLuhan say? The message isn’t the message. The medium isn’t the message. The messenger is the message?

    I wonder when the Garners of the world watch big sport if they complain about the referee being too visible, being intrusive and trying to make the game all about them.

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  34. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    What huckleberryfinsbrother siad….and Randy….you are a cunt.

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  35. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    If Gower called ‘time’ on Shearer for 60 days (two weeks ago), then both Garner’s and Gower’s credibility will be tested by end of August. If Shearer is still leader by end of year, then it’s a beat-up. Time will tell.

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  36. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    It’s obviously all on, king was spinning like a top on zb this morning.

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  37. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    As someone said “a house divided upon itself cannot stand”… whereas national has the advantage of vested self interest of the few.

    Shearer made it crystal clear not long ago that “Labour is the party for workers”. Labour is not interested in doing anything about the ever-increasing underclass in New Zealand. Ask Shearer whether he’d support putting the words “participation in the community” back into MSD’s mission statement and he’d look at you as if you were from another planet.
    http://thestandard.org.nz/shearers-pre-budget-speech/

    It was on that basis that I felt Shearer’s election was a failure. Helen got the nod and it was a big deal that it went to a woman. Then it reverted to a physically capable, heterosexual, white, educated and wealthy male. Yipdee fucking shit.
    And we struggle to even begin the process of developing an active and inclusive multiculturalism.

    http://publicaddress.net/speaker/what-diversity-dividend/

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  38. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The Labour Party just haven’t got anyone with suitable to be a Leader.

    Of course they do: David Cunliffe. It’s just that the caucus old guard would rather die than submit to Cunliffe’s authority.

    Ardern will make a good leader some years from now, but there’s really no one else. Little is a dweeb and Robertson is a fat, gay windbag.

    Cunliffe is smart and a bit of a bastard. Exactly what Labour needs right now. He’s the Kirk or Lange that is needed, not the Rowling lite the caucus wants.

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  39. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    Comedy gold, the Liarbore Party that keeps on giving. Key and Co. must be laughing all the way to the bank this last week.

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  40. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    Watch out- popcorn can be very fattening, depending on the flavouring!

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  41. big bruv (13,901 comments) says:

    Tom

    “He’s the Kirk or Lange that is needed, not the Rowling lite the caucus wants.”

    That is laughable. The difference between Kirk, Lange and silent T is that for some stupid reason a lot of people loved and trusted Kirk. Those same people were “in love” with Lange because he rid us of the socialist Muldoon (before he showed himself to be a weak man guided by his penis).

    You simply cannot say that of silent T, apart from a few nasty, small minded, envious hard left losers (look in the mirror here Tom) the rest of NZ see silent T as an arrogant, smug individual who sits in his Herne Bay mansion and pretends to care about “the people”.

    Think about it for a moment Tom, when you have lefties like Goff, Cosegrove, Mallard and King who can see that silent T is a fraud then how the hell do you expect Waitakere Man to bond with the Herne Bay charlatan?

    What the left need to realise is that the next Labour party PM is not yet in the house, given the hilariously stupid “rules” re front bums I doubt that anybody from the next intake of labour MP’s will fill that role either.

    Many months ago I made the comment that John Key can, and will be the PM for as long as he wants the job. Your lot will only have a crack at the job when Key gets bored. The more you and your low life scum attack the man personally the longer Key will stay as PM.

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  42. Bogusnews (474 comments) says:

    It’s one thing the public hates in a political party is disunity.

    But how interesting, the massive factions in Labour during the Clarke years were generally glossed over by the MSM or just ignored altogether. I remember hearing an interview on Larry Williams with Debbra Hill Cone and a reporter from the Herald. Debra made the point that Labour was being greatly assisted by reporters refusing to publish details of their problems. It was telling that the Herald guy (can’t remember his name) did not dispute it.

    I’m really enjoying seeing this unfold, if for no other reason other than to see the reporters doing a decent job and standing up for some good principles in journalism.

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  43. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Duncan Garner is on a crusade to out the “evil liars” and “nasty pricks”, so we should see more confrontations between him and Labour’s worst.

    It’s about time the shitty side of politics was exposed.

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  44. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Lindsay Mitchell: Radical feminists push for Labour Party quotas
    Listening to the radio news last year, I heard a mild-mannered fellow attending the 2012 Labour Conference questioning the merits of a female quota applied to electorate committees and candidates. He had hardly begun when he was jeered down by other audience members. It was a window into Labour Party politics I would rather have not looked through.
    The women behind a push to impose quotas, effectively banning male candidates in certain electorates, are feminist radicals. They divide. They thrive on the politics of resentment and utu. It matters not that their proposal to achieve ‘equality’ hurts someone else along the way. The end justifies the means.
    //
    I am still perplexed about the inherent desirability of women as MPs. When I stood as an ACT candidate I am certain woman on the left wouldn’t have welcomed my arrival in parliament. Feminists labelled my opposition to the domestic purposes benefit as “misogynist”. So being a female isn’t the most important aspect of an individual’s suitability for politics after all.
    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/lindsay-mitchell-radical-feminists-push.html

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  45. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (758) Says:

    Of course they do: David Cunliffe. It’s just that the caucus old guard would rather die than submit to Cunliffe’s authority.
    …………………

    Like Rudd he favours a big congested NZ:

    “. “Claims that immigrants improve the economy, introduce new technology and grow the business sector are being exaggerated,” Clydesdale* said. “Much of the literature suggesting immigrants bring in new technology and contribute to a growing business sector is misleading. “There is often no economic evidence to support the claims made.” He quoted Department of Labour figures that showed only 2% of business immigrants introduced new technology. Many new arrivals under the business, investment and entrepreneurial categories bought existing businesses such as restaurants, cafes and takeaways, Clydesdale said. “There is little new activity. There’s no added value, it’s just a change of ownership,” Clydesdale said. There were also very real costs. “An extra $3600 a year in your pocket, or more immigrants? “The question is one New Zealanders should be considering because it sums up the relationship between rising mortgage interest rates and our current immigration policy,” Clydesdale said. He estimated people with an average $160,000 fixed mortgage would be be $3600 a year better off if rates had remained steady in the latest Reserve Bank rate hike. “Of course, immigration is not the only force driving inflation, but we only need to get inflation down within a limited range to stop the interest rate increases,” Clydesdale said. “Dramatically reducing immigration may keep inflation within that range, without the economic casualties. “The Government’s current policy mix is putting real estate agents ahead of exporters.” Cunliffe said he had seen the research, but disagreed. “House prices are a complex phenomenon which reflect the interaction of a wide variety of factors,” he said. Those factors included interest rates, wage levels and population growth, of which migration was just one component. “Net migration is itself a balancing factor between people leaving New Zealand and people arriving,” Cunliffe said. According to Statistics New Zealand, during the 12 months to December 31, 2006, the population grew by 45,100 to 4,165,600, Cunliffe said. The contribution of net migration to that was just 14,600 people. “Businesses are still telling us that skills shortages are a constraint to their growth,” Cunliffe said. “There is no denying that we have ageing populations, lower birth rates and the need for a growing workforce. “As Kiwis traditionally go overseas and some do not return, immigration is a must to supplement the workforce we need to ensure our country continues to prosper,” Cunliffe said.”
    …………
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

    “The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf
    *”NZ’s most racist economist” – The Standard.

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  46. projectman (224 comments) says:

    “Duncan Garner is on a crusade to out the “evil liars” and “nasty pricks”, so we should see more confrontations between him and Labour’s worst.”

    And Garner is the one who defines the “evil liars and nasty pricks”? Why should we take him seriously when, as is often the case with media types, sources are not disclosed. He could be interviewing his own typewriter for all we know. Why should the likes of Garner shape the direction of NZ politics? “Gossip columnist” may be the best description for the man.

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  47. rightoverlabour (108 comments) says:

    I don’t like Garner, but I think he is onto something here. Cosgrove, the second silent T in the Labia party. Things are going to get interesting over the next few weeks. I feel sorry for Shearer trying to lead those effwits….

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