General Debate 2 July 2013

July 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Like a cancer ..slowly killing our country..

    http://1law4all.co.nz/2013/07/01/another-maori-only-privilege/

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  2. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    Obama and Cameron support genocide in Syria.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352251/Horrific-video-shows-Syrian-Catholic-priest-beheaded-jihadist-fighters-cheering-crowd.html#comments

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  3. Pete George (23,346 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom has been talking himself up on confronting John Key on the GCSB legislation. Yesterday he said ” I bet Key & Banks won’t show”, but when Key confirmed he’d be chairing the committee during submissions Dotcom tweeted:

    Prime Minister John Key confirmed he is chairing the committee to which I’m presenting my opposition to the new GCSB bill on July 3. It’s ON

    Dotcom has 15 minutes in the spotlight tomorrow, we’ll see what he has to back up his rhetoric, if anything. Kim Dotcom to confront John Key tomorrow.

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  4. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    Complaint laid against TV3 over ‘biased’ Bain report

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894200

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  5. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    I quite agree. The race based divisive politics that 1law4all peddle in sheep’s clothing is a cancer spreading through the country. Well done liarbor.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,815 comments) says:

    @liabors :: Insidious isn’t it?

    The authorities are saying land owners are now obligated to learn maori. Classic thin end of the wedge stuff.

    I’d say Queenstown council have too many employees if they have time to produce this rubbish. No doubt it is written by a $300+ per hour lawyer.

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  7. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    President Morsi’s ”islam for everyone ” plan seems to be going well..What brave people his opponents are . Many of them are Coptic Christians whose plight seems to receive scant attention here in NZ..
    A friend’s Egyptian Christian friend , said some years back , that NZ will be an absolute ”push over” for the muslims..Well who didn’t know that!

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  8. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    Couple of things today – from the Dom-Post
    See:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/residential-property/8864917/Lawyer-ordered-to-refund-tenants
    IMO she has shown a lack of judgment – with her particular knowledge and experience she should have known how the Tenancy Tribunal was likely to rule and should have settled before it went to a hearing. She is on a couple of tribunals that deal with state tenants and beneficiaries, so she should be perfectly aware of the rights and obligations in that tenancy. Moreover IMO it casts aspersions on her ability to operate fairly on the two tribunals. It is little wonder that the Responsible Minister for one of the tribunals Nick Smith has expressed annoyance.

    See also:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8865063/Bank-blocks-sale-then-backs-down-buyer-claims
    Basically, a bank would not agree to the release of a mortgage because the agreed sale price was less than that required to cover the mortgage. The bank was instrumental in extracting a compromise higher price from the purchaser, but the purchaser was wrong to call it a ‘back-down’ as the bank had considered no doubt after discussions with a valuer and the vendor’s agent that the final agreed price was the best obtainable, even if the bank had to take a haircut on the mortgage. The haircut would have been larger if a mortgagee sale had been forced, which is why the bank agreed. The vendor is still going to have to make up the shortfall or face bankrupcy.

    The vendor and agent should have realised that there could have been an issue here and set a minimum acceptable price that would pay off the mortgage. If it became apparent that the best offer was not going to cover the mortgage, the vendor should have accepted either that he would have to pay the mortgage shortfall to his solicitor before settlement (the lender would then not need to know about the potential problem), or wave the white flag with the lender. In this instance the lender would wish to be satisfied that the best possible offer had been obtained and would would work with the land agent with this, this being far preferable for the lender than forcing a mortgagee sale.

    I am not sure how the purchaser’s solicitor could help here, unless they can check the capacity of the vendor to make a sale. It is possible that the purchaser could sue the vendor for the additional price the purchaser had to accept, but the vendor probably could not afford to meet this. A bit more in-depth reporting here would have been useful.

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  9. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    Why Chch will remain the 2nd city of NZ despite the earthquakes. The massive rebuild and new stuff; who is paying and in control…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/christchurch-govt-council-anchor-projects/

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  10. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    At what point do mistakes become practise?

    Today in the Herald an article on how kiwis are not getting ahead:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894202

    They interview a Max Coyle as an example of this. No disclosure of Max’s background and partisan interests.

    Like this, for instance:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5677665/Max-Coyle-stands-down

    Max the Greens candidate!

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  11. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    “itstricky (382) Says:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 am
    I quite agree. The race based divisive politics that 1law4all peddle in sheep’s clothing is a cancer spreading through the country. Well done liarbor.”

    What a shocking concept that the laws of the country should apply to everybody equally on the basis that they are a citizen of New Zealand. Everybody knows it should be decided by your blood quantum. We all know that blood is thicker than water and that apartheid has worked extremely well whenever it has been used.

    We should immediately drop the outmoded concept of equality that the white man has brought to NZ and move to a traditional tribal structure.

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  12. graham (2,285 comments) says:

    And now for a little light relief …

    Someone has written a piece in Stuff saying that tattoos used to be cool. That they belong to “burly sailors traversing the seven seas”, members of the armed forces, gangs, and other guys you wouldn’t want to mess with. And of course, rock stars. Apparently, tattoos express “non-conformity, a rebellious streak, a certain attitude.”

    But now it’s been ruined for this poor chap. Because … Justin Bieber has got them. And Justin just isn’t, well, cool. In fact, this guy believes that Bieber should apologise to everyone out there with tattoos for degrading this fine form of body art.

    Really? Is your entire self-worth wrapped up in getting a tattoo because it’s “cool”, “non-conformist” and shows that nobody would want to mess with you? And then someone who you think isn’t cool gets a tat, and that all of a sudden ruins the entire 17 years it took you to come up with the perfect design and completely destroys the image you’re going for?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/share-your-news-and-views/8862957/How-Justin-Bieber-ruined-tattoos

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  13. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    Heh Chuck…
    You are right.

    The JFRB and CS groups are planning a “complaint” to the BSA – well, so they say.
    May be that “complaint” will once again amount to a self-inflicted petard.

    STRIKE FOUR !

    Good luck to them! :)

    But did you also note, but fail to report, that Mark Jennings says TV3 will deliver anther episode this week.

    Poor, JFRB, little MVB and his sorry brother, they will be ever so pissed!
    But wait on Chucky….TV3 might take the other side this week. Yeah, right.

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  14. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    Peterwn…
    Excellent coverage and observations by you on both issues.

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  15. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    What a shocking concept that the laws of the country should apply to everybody equally on the basis that they are a citizen of New Zealand.

    Not all New Zealanders are citizens. Non-citizens should not have to suffer the same liability that citizens do, yet that is what they want, i.e. to bring everyone down to their level.

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  16. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The “eternal” trougher and accomplished racist bites the dust: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8683239/sharples-expected-to-resign-leadership

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  17. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    If you’re a disgusting depraved pervert immigrant caught breaking the law illegally filming a man taking a shower, fuck off back to where you came from- we don’t want you here.

    NZ justice system doing everything it can so that this clown gets endless chances to continue on his merry way. What does he have to do to get shoved on the first plane out?

    Oooo… he suffered sexual abuse as a teenager. Not surprising… what’s the bet he’s from the third world? Rape is a way of life in those countries. If you let in weirdo foreigners from shithole countries and cultures- what else do you expect? There’s enough shit in NZ without importing in more.

    Did I say shtihole? Clearly I was trying to spell Shibboleth…. my mistake.

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  18. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    flipper (1,804) Says:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 am
    ——————————

    I see that in the news. The complaint is to be made by Melanie White. You might remember her, she was the one that organised a grave side vigil inviting family, friends, and the community to remember the Bains. She invited all the media and made a very big deal of it, and no one turned up but her. Made quite a fool of herself and has continued to do so ever since, judging from her posts in places like free forums and so on.

    She clearly didn’t learn her lesson and this one will come back to bite her, because again she is putting her reputation on the line. She would have been better putting it on the butt of a horse.

    It is interesting to see that she has spoken out. Clearly the groups leader Kent Parker is keeping his head low, with the up and coming defamation case getting close.

    Kent did however write an interesting article on how he knows David Bain is guilty recently. Apparently in his psychological analysis David unlike Lindy Chamberlain, is guilty because he has not written a book about his experiences. Of course Kent failed to note the differences, it took 26 years after Chamberlain was finally acquitted to write her story. David Bain has had four years, in which he has had to get used to life, without the support of family, etc. Something that was available to Lindy on her release. Kent has never been one to let the facts get in the way of a good, or even bad story.

    Obviously Kent is not the brightest spark in the JFRB and Counterspin pack.

    There is only one way that group is headed, and it’s not upwards, especially considering Muggins (yet another group member) four months of lying on this board where he presented information he said was obtained from an OIA but in fact what he posted was not even similar to that OIA – provides even more example of the groups dishonest and unbalanced methods.

    I do not think we have heard the last of this pack of witch sniffers. God help those that have become innocently tied up with the deranged lot.

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  19. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    graham

    Your tattoo story is great.

    Who is the dick head that wrote that? Another Aotearoan journalist whos views on anything are rubbish.Beiber ruined his tattoo?
    Tattoos cool? What a sad prick he is.

    I love the concept that these idiots push like the dreadlocked mob or paint vandals who say they are expressions of their own individuality……yeah individuality expressed by looking exactly like the other fucking morons with tattoos,dreads or the what ever herd like fashion someone else has dreamed up for the brain dead unthinking fuckwits to imitate.

    I suppose this idiot would have thought wearing ones trousers below your arse with underwear exposed was cool too. How cool is it to imitate criminal negro gaol house culture?

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  20. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    Judith..
    Thanks for that. I was not aware of the “complainants’ ” antecedents, but your contribution explains much.
    Incidentally, I have Lindy’s book. Fascinating.
    8.30 Wednesday evening will be interesting
    Cheers
    F

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  21. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Obama and Cameron support genocide in Syria.

    Kowtow, Syria was/is a secular country. For much of history it was the centre of Christianity. Christians are a now a small, but important, part of Syrian history and culture.

    Sadly the imported radical Islamic Jihadists, who have attacked governments all over the Middle East, are now attacking Syria. Again they have Obama’s support. He is currently giving weapons to the Egyption Muslim Brotherhood (he helped install), to crush the uprising of Egyption citizens, who want a more open secular society.

    Obama really is an international war criminal. It is not simply “anti US” hysteria to say so, anymore.

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  22. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    Now that Sir Owen is being shunned by the Chardonnay set I guess the anti-violence study is doomed?

    It will be so much better for academia to rise above such filthy lucre and instead soar beyond such tainted influence.
    So now I guess the tax payer will have to stump up $100 million so that certain ego’s can remain intact.

    Oy-vey

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  23. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    In an article in today’s Herald , involving CHCH MP Nicky Wagner and a ”shrewd AK businessman ,” a female judge finds in favour of the ”businessman” and in doing so , uses the term ”sufficiently unlawful.” Is hair splitting now a PHD level art form in NZ or has it been incorporated into the nation’s Engineering programes? When a poor person goes before a judge he is either deemed to have broken the law or he haven’t. Why does black and white become grey when one is a so called
    ”sharp businessman?”

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  24. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Excellent news Manolo…the racist separatists are falling , long may it continue..

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  25. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Kea
    “Obama’s support. He is currently giving weapons to the Egyption Muslim Brotherhood (he helped install), to crush the uprising of Egyption citizens, who want a more open secular society.”

    Well sort of. The weapons are going to the Egyptian Military which aren’t necessarily on side with Morsi. I bet they are watching very closely how these protests are going though and I wouldn’t bet on the Army to blindly support the Muslim Brotherhood. The Army has been ensuring they stay suppressed for years.

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Max Keiser Report
    Vladimir Putin: Russia Issues International Arrest Warrant For Rothschild Henchman & Leftist Savior George Soros! |

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  27. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    George Bush Condones Prism as fresh spying revelations come out

    Max Keiser Report
    New NSA leaks show how US is bugging its European allies | World news | The Guardian. US intelligence services are spying on the European Union mission in New York and its embassy in Washington, according to the latest top secret US National Security Agency documents leaked by the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    One document lists 38 embassies and missions, describing them as “targets”. It details an extraordinary range of spying methods used against each target, from bugs implanted in electronic communications gear to taps into cables to the collection of transmissions with specialised antennae.

    Along with traditional ideological adversaries and sensitive Middle Eastern countries, the list of targets includes the EU missions and the French, Italian and Greek embassies, as well as a number of other American allies, including Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey. The list in the September 2010 document does not mention the UK, Germany or other western European states.

    One of the bugging methods mentioned is codenamed Dropmire, which, according to a 2007 document, is “implanted on the Cryptofax at the EU embassy, DC” – an apparent reference to a bug placed in a commercially available encrypted fax machine used at the mission. The NSA documents note the machine is used to send cables back to foreign affairs ministries in European capitals.

    The documents suggest the aim of the bugging exercise against the EU embassy in central Washington is to gather inside knowledge of policy disagreements on global issues and other rifts between member states.

    The new revelations come at a time when there is already considerable anger across the EU over earlier evidence provided by Snowden of NSA eavesdropping on America’s European allies.

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  28. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Yahoo! News
    BREAKING NEWS: The Egyptian military has given a 48-hour ultimatum to the country’s Islamist president to reach an agreement to “meet the people’s demands,” or it will intervene–tantamount to a military coup d’etat. Almost as surprising was the Egyptian military’s description of the mass protests on Sunday that brought out millions of people demanding President Mohammed Morsi resign: “Glorious.” Protesters expressed their opinions “in a peaceful and civilized manner,” said the military, urging “it is necessary that the people get a reply to their calls.” The military said it will not take part in politics or rule the country, but would set out a political road map for the country and ensure it is followed. Also over the weekend, protestors responded in a unique way to the overflight of an Egyptian military helicopter, by beaming dozens of laser pointers at it, as you can see here: http://tmblr.co/ZKOPCyodAKRI The helicopter didn’t crash but appeared to get the message and veered away from the crowds.

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  29. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Max Keiser Report
    Four Egyptian ministers quit Morsi’s cabinet amid protests.Four Egyptian ministers have quitted the cabinet of President Mohamed Morsi following the massive protests in the country, a top government official says.

    The senior Egyptian official told AFP on Monday that ministers of tourism, environment, communication and legal affairs have tendered their letters of resignation to Prime Minister Hisham Qandil.

    The resignations come a day after the capital Cairo and other Egyptian cities witnessed major demonstrations for and against Morsi on Sunday. Some 16 people died and hundreds more were wounded in the unrest.

    Tourism Minister Hisham Zazou had already sought to step down in June after Morsi appointed Adel al-Khayat as governor of the city of Luxor. However, Zazou came back to work last week after Khayat quit.

    The massive protests on Sunday came on the first anniversary of Morsi’s inauguration as president following the 2011 revolution that toppled the Western-backed regime of Hosni Mubarak.

    The demonstrators are angry at Morsi’s handling of the economy and failure to fulfill his electoral promises. The organizers of the major demonstration for Sunday claim that more than 22 million people have signed petition for the resignation of the president and a snap election.

    Anti-government protests were also staged in the coastal city of Alexandria, the Nile Delta cities of Mansura, Menuf, Tanta and Mahalla, the canal cities of Suez and Port Said as well as Zagazig.

    Meanwhile earlier on Monday, the opposition set July 2 as a deadline for Morsi to step down.

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  30. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    On the “Maori only privilege” article. Does anybody know what exactly is meant in this context by “Maori freehold land”? Is it land that is generally designated “Maori” but not specifically owned by any one individual, or does it apply to any land that is owned by a Maori? Because exempting the latter from rates would be more clearly discriminatory than the former.

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  31. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    When will cringing PC apologies end?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8865872/Chocolate-ad-pulled-after-complaint

    Whitakers chocs have upset some Koreans due to a rising sun? FFS!

    I expect Edmonds cook book to follow suit.

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  32. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Jim Kelly of ‘Enter the Dragon’ fame dies

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=378151645647974&set=a.205145816281892.44098.205100196286454&type=1&theater

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  33. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “On the “Maori only privilege” article. Does anybody know what exactly is meant in this context by “Maori freehold land”?

    Constitution ALERT New Zealand ~ AGENDA 21 ~ Treaty of Waitangi

    Exposing the Agenda behind New Zealand’s Constitution review, Agenda 21, collaboration of Activists, Marxists, Revisionists and Corrupt Politicians with the Globalist New World Order. Adapted From “Divide & Rule” for Youtube. available for FREE DOWNLOAD at: http://constitutionalertnz.blogspot.c

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  34. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, you may be right regarding the Egyptian military not being big fans of the government Obama helped inflict on the Egyptians.

    The question is; if the people and the military do not support Morsi, then why did Obama ?

    What annoys me most is how Obama is free from the accountability and scrutiny that Bush was subject to by the media. If people really knew what this dangerous fool was doing they would be horrified. He is the biggest threat to world peace in decades.

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  35. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “What annoys me most is how Obama is free from the accountability and scrutiny that Bush was subject to by the media. If people really knew what this dangerous fool was doing they would be horrified. He is the biggest threat to world peace in decades.”

    WW3 in the ME provoked by the US as we enter 100 years after WW1…. That’s how the US rolls

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  36. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Max Keiser Report

    Financial terrorist and Hungarian bank dick, Convicted Felon George Soros… Russian Intelligence has fingered Soros for using cross-collateralized compounded Swedish and Danish foreign currency derivatives for the purpose of an attack on the Russian stock market..

    Soros’ use of these cross-collateralized compounded derivatives utilizing Luxembourg banks violates the terms of the Basil II European Union banking agreement.

    The thing that should give pause to the Heads of State Western is like Putin did in freeing Russia from those who wanted to bring the total economic and social collapse and beat up in jail all those who have tried.

    Are they influencing Lubawitschern Putin? The fact is that Putin is loyal to Russia and its people, and never allow anyone, even when he is in command in that nation, to sell out his country and into the clutches of the NWO lasciarela. For this he ordered to issue an international arrest warrant against George Soros, who has been caught red-handed as he prepared to send financial aid to what is called opposition in Russia, which recently made the streets in dozens of thousands of people telling lies and misinformation-cheating during the elections.

    Now Mr. Soros has little room to continue his dirty games with the speculation that has devastated the entire global financial system, in collaboration Rothschild / Rockefeller and other jackals.

    Putin’s speech, which was officially issued by the Russian authorities.

    Today it is made public the following statement by the Russian Federation and its Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, has been asked for an arrest warrant against the International Terrorist Finance, the Hungarian currency-Mogul George Soros, the Russian secret serviceshave found that Soros was using foreign currency derivatives with other Danes to start an attack against the Russian Currency Shares in the market.

    Political Vel Craft In Russia’s Pravda: Obama The Chicken Is Being Plucked!

    It should be noted that Soros was using these derivatives with the help of Luxembourg banks, which is forbidden after the contract was made by the EU called Basel II.

    Both the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and European Union have issued an Interpol “Red Notice” which is not only against the immediate arrest of Soros, but also against the Sharks on Finance, Bush, Clinton, criminal organization, Marc Rich and his firm, which is located in Switzerland, the Commodities Broker-Richfield, which is why the Russian Premier Putin has recently met the Chef of the Federal Reserve Bernanke Bermard making clear that the Russian Federation will not accept that such use is made of people like Soros and Rich to commit criminal acts of the derivatives market and Finance, which led to social destabilization across the globe.

    Putin will be done and start the hunt for these criminals and their accomplices Bankers Rothschild, Rockefeller.

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  37. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business, I agree that things could esculate into a large scale conflict. Perhaps if Syria, Iran and Russia say “enough” to US interference in the region ?

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  38. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis, thank you but I could not access the link; are you able to summarise what it says please? Specifically, what exactly is meant by “Maori freehold land” and is it different from “land owned freehold by an individual who is Maori”

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  39. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    Interesting to see that IRD has released an Interpretation Statement purporting to “clarify” the law of tax avoidance in NZ and specifically the application of BG 1 and GA 1.

    I wonder what any other KB tax advisers think of this. I find this whole issue (tax avoidance) quite amusing for the following reasons:

    1. Their “clarification” document is 153 pages;

    2. The “parliamentary contemplation” test. This is perhaps the most amusing part of tax avoidance because which of our 120 MP’s could honestly say they read tax Bills when they are passing through the House, let alone understand them? Even our former Revenue Minister didn’t by the looks of things, judging by his infamous and amazing use of the phrase “legitimate tax avoidance”;

    3. If you look to apply the “parliamentary contemplation” test to the facts of Penny & Hooper, in my opinion you have a better argument that the arrangement was within Parliament’s contemplation than not, as surely any idiot could see that raising the marginal personal tax rate to 39% would increase the use of trusts and taking advantage of the 33% trust rate.

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  40. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    A Kenyan addresses president Obama in this video, telling him that Africa has no interest in the homosexual agenda and that the money is better spent on alleviating poverty, fighting disease and improving the lives of Africans. He fears that U.S aid to Africa will be tied to acceptance and marketing of the homosexual agenda.

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  41. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Fletch, most of Africa has a very conservative view on homesexuality, to say the least ! Even the most rabidly anti gay folk, on KB, would be a considered fag enabling haters of god in Kenya. None of this will stop Obama trying to control yet another country in his lust for power.

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  42. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    flipper (1,808) Says:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Judith..
    Thanks for that. I was not aware of the “complainants’ ” antecedents, but your contribution explains much.
    Incidentally, I have Lindy’s book. Fascinating.
    8.30 Wednesday evening will be interesting
    Cheers
    F
    ………………
    I hope it is as good as last weeks ;)

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  43. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    It looks like the Auusie Greens have the same “funny money theories” as the NZ Greens

    “Senator Milne said the Greens proposed the extra money would come from borrowing – which would sit off the government’s budget – and would detail how to pay for the interest on the extra money in its yet to be released election policy costings.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/greens-push-to-boost-renewable-energy-target-to-90-20130701-2p6nk.html

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  44. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    joana – re Nicky Wagner case – I think you are confusing criminal law and non-criminal law. The ”shrewd AK businessman” would not have come anywhere near commiting an offence under criminal law. He did take steps to put his personal assets beyond the reach of creditors such as Nicky Wagner, but the court found he had not over-stepped the mark as to what is acceptable (this sort of thing is by no means ‘black and white’). Various legal principles come into play here which do tend to be above the heads of average people. Nicky was obviously morally ‘in the right’ which is why she mounted this legal action, but it did not work out.

    In such non-criminal proceedings a ‘poor person’ could have a greater chance of success than a business person, since for a business deal, a court would be more likely to rule that a deal is ‘oppressive’ than in the case of a business person who would have business skills and means to afford a lawyer to check out the deal.

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  45. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    Mass immigration and its enablers in the destruction of indigenous culture. The British people are waking up to the constant assault on their traditional values.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353250/Channel-4-broadcast-daily-Muslim-prayer-Ramadan-month.html

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  46. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    New information coming from the UK and the CHandler abusee family’s investigator on Wacko Jacko’s alleged abuse of several dozen children. Not looking good. How naive will we continue to be over this creep?

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/was-michael-jackson-a-pedophile-new-evidence/

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  47. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    What a shocking concept that the laws of the country should apply to everybody equally on the basis that they are a citizen of New Zealand.

    But hold on, there is already one law AND it applies to everyone equally. Fancy that. Assimilation4U would be a better name. They should think about that as a marketing move. Bound to bring in the punters.

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  48. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Albert quite right. These are the good questions to ask yourself. The answer is that it’s all just stirring. Logic does sometimes get in the way of a good rant.

    For example – there’s a deliberate selective extract of a community newsletter infering that Maori is being imposed on citizens. There is a reply from the council further down indicating that is not the case and that they are simply pointing out that it is Maori language week.

    Maori freehold land is the former definition i.e. It is.not just land owned by an individual who is Maori. But it is deliberately phrased in a way as to suggest that is no.different from general use land owned by an individual.

    I.e its all just spreading fear to ordinary people to further their cause.

    That this needs breaking down is extrodinary but, I guess not unexpected when considering who posts it.

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  49. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    What’s happened?
    Have we finally offended Billy Bunter Baiter sufficiently that he has gone back to sulk on his own blog. How sad. He hasn’t been here all day. Perhaps I can post another funny without him getting his tits in tangle.

    A man in his 40′s bought a new BMW and was out on the interstate for a nice evening drive. The top was down, the breeze was blowing through what was left of his hair, and he decided to open her up. As the needle jumped up to 80 mph, he suddenly saw flashing red and blue lights behind him. “There’s no way they can catch a BMW,” he thought to himself and opened her up further. The needle hit 90, 100…. then the reality of the situation hit him. “What the heck am I doing?” he thought and pulled over.

    The cop came up to him, took his license without a word, and examined it and the car. “It’s been a long day, this is the end of my shift, and it’s Friday the 13th. I don’t feel like more paperwork, so if you can give me an excuse for your driving that I haven’t heard before, you can go.”
    The guy thinks for a second and says,
    “Last week my wife ran off with a cop. I was afraid you were trying to give her back.”
    “Have a nice weekend,” said the officer.

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  50. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    But hold on, there is already one law AND it applies to everyone equally.

    Wrong. Only persons are under statute law. If universal law exists then it is the law of nature.

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  51. Pete George (23,346 comments) says:

    The latest Roy Morgan polls continues the Herald/Digipoll trend of National up to 46.5% and Labour down to 31.5% – that won’t help David Shearer’s spring showdown.

    Against the trend though is NZ First who have dropped 2.4% in the aftermath of his Peter Dunne vendetta that may have been seen as overdone. And United Future come back in at 0.5% after dropping to 0 in the middle of the worst of their problems.

    - National Party to 46.5% (up 2.5% since June 3-16, 2013)
    - Maori Party 1.5% (down 0.5%)
    - ACT NZ 0% (down 0.5%)
    - United Future 0.5% (up 0.5%).

    - Labour is 31.5% (down 1.5%)
    - Greens are 13% (up 1.5%)
    - New Zealand First 3.5% (down 2.5%)
    - Mana Party 0.5% (down 0.5%)

    - Conservative Party of NZ 2% (unchanged)
    - Others 1% (up 1%)

    Greens seem to be benefiting from Labour’s “flat patch”.
    Mana was up in the by-election but down in this poll.

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/roy-morgan-new-zealand-poll-july-2-2013-201307020549

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  52. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Two guys and a union worker were fishing on a lake one day, when Jesus walked across the water and joined them in the boat. When the three astonished men had settled down enough to speak, the first guy asked humbly, “Jesus, I’ve suffered from back pain ever since I took shrapnel in the Vietnam war…could you help me?”
    “Of course, my son”, Jesus said, and when he touched the man’s back, he felt relief for the first time in years.
    The second man, who wore very thick glasses and had a hard time reading and driving, asked if Jesus could do anything about his eyesight. Jesus smiled, removed the man’s glasses and tossed them in the lake. When they hit the water, the man’s eyes cleared and he could see everything distinctly.

    When Jesus turned to heal the union worker, the guy put his hands up and cried defensively,
    “Don’t touch me! I’m on long term disability.”

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  53. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    What’s happened?
    Have we finally offended Billy Bunter Baiter sufficiently that he has gone back to sulk on his own blog. How sad. He hasn’t been here all day. Perhaps I can post another funny without him getting his tits in tangle.

    V2, he’s having a rest after spending most of yesterday afternoon pointing out my failings as prog/leftie/commie/everything. Making all those (incorrect) assumptions about someone can really take it out of you. So he’s pulled off his brown shoes, hung up the brown suit, put aside the manifesto, and is taking a well deserved nap.

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  54. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    You’ve got that arse about face Sidey, you silly little commie troll. I was trying to educate you about Conservatism. It was you, who couldn’t stop writing about Redbaiter, that spoilt the discussion.

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  55. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Bazinga! And I didn’t have to say it ‘s name out loud three times!

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  56. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    And here you are still writing about me today.

    Its lucky I’m not one who seeks fame, otherwise I might be gloating at your strange obsession.

    Not another queer are you?

    I have been stalked by quite a few of them before.

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  57. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    You must have something that attracts them Baity. :)

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  58. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    You’d know prog.

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  59. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    mmm no, not gay, happily married in fact. Not a commie, quite the opposite in fact, despite your assertions. Never been to uni, despite your assertion yesterday. Don’t currently live in NZ, despite your assertion yesterday.

    Nil from four. Not very good at this are you? Your manifesto might need some polishing, it appears to be based on erroneous data. Don’t be too despondent though Red, I’m sure you’ve achieved something else in life….

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  60. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Well Snidey, anyone can say anything on the internet can’t they. And they frequently do. A snivelling little obsessive coward like you would lie at the drop of a hat IMHO.

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  61. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Not another queer are you?

    I have been stalked by quite a few of them before.

    You big cock tease you :)

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  62. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    I have never given Snidey the slightest encouragement. (Or any of the others.)

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  63. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    mmm no, not gay, happily married in fact. Not a commie, quite the opposite in fact, despite your assertions. Never been to uni, despite your assertion yesterday. Don’t currently live in NZ, despite your assertion yesterday.

    :lol: LOL!

    Wedbaiter’s been wrong about things on the internet since you were two feet tall in short trousers Sidey.

    His previous Kiwiblog login and username had over seventeen thousand comments under its belt. Not bad for one who considers Kiwiblog a “far left sewer, dripping with hate for any conservative” that is hardly worthy of commenting on…

    Try to show the proper respect.

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  64. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    *I put this on the wrong GD before…To quote David Coverdale ‘Here I go again’-

    My fucking God. Did anyone else see the One News article on ‘Maori Language week’??
    Hone and some angry looking woman with scribble all over her face sneering at us ‘ignorant Pakeha’ for not pronouncing alleged Maori place names! (I say ‘alleged’ because Maori had never even set foot in half of these South Island places before Europeans arrived)
    Fuck then we get Jim Hickey reading the weather in ‘Te Reo’… God help this accursed country- We are drowning in Political Correctness…

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  65. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    RRM would know Snidey, he’s one of those stalking queers I mentioned. Been at it for years now, and has actually admitted his obsession.

    Weird.

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  66. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “God help this accursed country- We are drowning in Political Correctness…”

    The people of NZ nowadays stand for nothing and believe in less. Its therefore very easy to defeat them if you do in fact believe in something. The so called Maoris have shown us just how easy it is.

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  67. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    queers

    Wrong again :-)

    I actually think I would comment less on kiwiblog, if the general wrongness of redbaiter and most of the things he says wasn’t constantly taunting me, leading me on…

    (Maybe that’s the reason DPF hasn’t banned you, despite all the vile names you call him on your own site? You’re good for Kiwiblog’s traffic and advertising revenue?)

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  68. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    You’d know prog.

    Russell, you continue to ignore my advice about running before you can walk. Your speed wobbles now see you routinely avoiding the “Bitch” square and proceeding straight to “Gay” without ever passing “Go”. Is this the conservative legacy that you would leave? What would Colin say?

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  69. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “you continue to ignore my advice”

    Well Kevin, when John Key fired you it wasn’t really any vote of confidence was it? I’d say he finally woke up to just how worthless the advice of some hand bag swinging prog ratbag like you really was. Something I picked as soon as you started writing here.

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  70. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Well, at least you managed to land on “Bitch” that time instead of heading straight off to “Gay”. But that doesn’t alter the fact that you need to slow down. Leave it for a year then try again.

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Longknives, should we consider it a deliberate insult, or culturally offensive, if a Maori does not use the best Queens English ?

    All people pronounce other languages in unusual ways. It is part of learning and part of diversity. There is nothing special about Maori, other than so few speak it and it has been re-invented with lots of made-up new words.

    If Maori want to preserve Maori language then good on them. But they should take ownership and responsibility for that and not expect English people to do it for them. They should receive no state funding for the purpose.

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  72. F E Smith (3,315 comments) says:

    Sorry to butt in here, but I just had to bring to everyone’s attention the latest Daniel Hannan column in the Daily Telegraph.  He argues that being an MP should not be a full time job, but rather a second, part-time job. 

    What a wonderful idea.

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  73. RF (1,346 comments) says:

    I learn my Maori from that White Maori on News Talk ZB, Danny Watson. He is more Maori than a full blooded Maori and see how long you last on air if you dare question the stone agers right to rule the land.

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  74. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Longknives, should we consider it a deliberate insult, or culturally offensive, if a Maori does not use the best Queens English ?”

    Tru Dat! Chur Bro…..

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  75. Pete George (23,346 comments) says:

    FES – yes, interesting idea. I think the cabinet probably need to be full time but the rank and file MPs would represent the people better if they experienced life like those people.

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  76. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    RF

    If you listen to Danny Watson, then … well … you know you know what I mean …

    Instead, record the sound of a banana cake cooking. Not only will it be (relatively) far more soothing (there is absolutely no noise) you will find it more intellectually stimulating than Mr Watson for precisely the same reason.

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  77. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I have friends from all over the place and they mangle English in a variety of interesting and novel ways, depending where they come from. I have never felt culturally insulted but it has led to a few laughs. In Germany I remember having a tavern full of drunken Germans in stitches over my pronunciation of a delicacy featuring Pig fat and bread.

    I wish the intolerant Maori would lighten up.

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  78. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    The minute the great man dies, cryogenics should be employed until a cure is found for old age and chest problems… Freeze Nelson Mandela!

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  79. KevinH (1,160 comments) says:

    Tourists and international visitors are bewildered by New Zealanders who lack basic language skills in the indigenous language and regard New Zealanders as being a rather ignorant lot. Newly arrived immigrants from Asia demonstrate an ability to pick up and use te reo far more quickly than New Zealand residents because they are more culturally aware and attuned to other languages apart from English.

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  80. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    The minute the great man dies,

    Steady on nasska; for a moment there I thought you were referring to someone else.

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  81. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    KevinH, so what ?

    I regard it as pretty ignorant to make those sorts of judgments about a country you know nothing about.

    Would you like to give me a few examples of where those “culturally aware” visitors come from ?

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  82. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Alas poor Baity….I knew him well.

    Has a nice (past tense) ring to it Davinci. :)

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  83. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    RRM
    (Maybe that’s the reason DPF hasn’t banned you, despite all the vile names you call him on your own site? You’re good for Kiwiblog’s traffic and advertising revenue?)

    Agree, can’t think of any other reason why DFP allows this guy to crap all over his site. Red is like the steamy turd you just can’t flush past the s-bend as you hear your dinner guests walk up the driveway. We can only hope that one day DFP will unleash the double-flush function, leaving us with just the swirling mist of corn kernels and a faint odour to remind us of that great fighter of, well whatever it is he’s fighting for.

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  84. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Sidey, is it true you gay stalked Red ? Will you force him to comply under the Compulsory Sodomy & Gay Marriage Act ?

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  85. RF (1,346 comments) says:

    thedavincimode. 7.53pm. I agree. My wife uses words… Good old four letter English… that would make a sailor blush when Watson comes on the air.

    Very painful to listen to unless you are a bro

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  86. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Well Kea, it’s a long story. Despite being happily married with no homosexual tendencies at all, I decided, what the heck. I’ve got the time. If Red can pretend to be whatever he is (he’s actually a mild-mannered accountant who wears a brown suit and has voted Labour all his life. He’s a parody) surely I can be whatever Red wants me to be. Should I be concerned that he really, really, wants me to be a gay, commie, prog? Still, I guess we all have our fantasies!

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  87. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    -:-٩(●̮̃•)۶

    http://au.businessinsider.com/snowden-featured-in-german-lingerie-ad-2013-7

    http://larrybrownsports.com/everything-else/three-girls-ran-onto-field-cws-video/193673

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  88. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    being an MP should not be a full time job, but rather a second, part-time job.

    Na, they’d still be around too much ,how about we just put them on call if we should ever need them.

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  89. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Sidey

    Reddy has actually been quite restrained lately compared with a couple of years ago. As you have probably noticed DPF runs a demerits system to keep the comments free from gross libel & totally over the top abuse.

    The raving one only needs another 80 demerit points until he takes a two month holiday from Kiwiblog. For one whose sad existence is validated by the karma feature on the last blog he is allowed to comment on that would be unbearable, perhaps even terminal.

    Welcome aboard….you know your duty….go for it! :)

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  90. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    That’s a lot of pressure on me there Nasska! I have faith in Red. His own frothing will get the better of him.

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  91. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Snidey, you’ll be a welcome addition to the gang of brainless progs who have made Kiwiblog GD an intellectual waste land where bigoted anti-Christian hate, smug ignorance, narcissism and rank cowardice reign supreme. Usually helped along by a collection of tired old jokes that are more suited to Facebook or the like than a political blog. Not that they’ll ever get it. The degradation of this site is something they’re quite happy with. The less intellectual content the more comfortable they are.

    (BTW Snidey, get with the team spirit- a smug smiley at the end of every message is compulsory)

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  92. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red thinks calling people “prog fuckwits and cowards” all day is intellectual and eridite commentary :)

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  93. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    If you didn’t comment so fucking frequently and obsessively the need to so remark would be considerably diminished.

    “Eridite”– ha ha, thanks for the real laff.

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  94. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    ….”a smug smiley at the end of every message is compulsory”…..

    I’ll fill in for him. :)

    What the hell, it’s Tuesday. Have another. :)

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  95. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Thanks for the suggestion re: the smiley face Red, will look into it & endeavour to implement.

    But, yet again, you make a false assumption. Anti-Christian? Really? I haven’t mentioned religion once, either in the affirmative or negative. That’s five wrong assumptions in 2 days. Man, you’re shite at this assumption game aren’t you?

    Got anything else apart from abuse? Didn’t think so. Move aside, you’re interrupting my view of the jokes.

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  96. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Eridite”– ha ha, thanks for the real laff.

    Finally I have found something to make Red smile. A tiny spelling error !

    You really are a genius. Mum must be proud :)

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  97. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Isn’t it time you were in bed hillbilly? Your sister is probably getting impatient.

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  98. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Eridite” “laff”– ha ha, thanks for the real laff laugh.

    See how clever I am everyone ? I can correct spelling mistakes. Now bow before me and receive my great wisdom for I am Red, ruler of KB.

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  99. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Got anything else apart from abuse?”

    That’s rich. You have posted about three thousand words of it without variation or hesitation. As I said, you’ll be a great mate for the resident progs.

    The smiley face is easy- just a colon followed by a right hand bracket, and laced with a significant dose of hypocrisy. You’ll find the last part the easiest.

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  100. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Freeeeeeeze Nelson Mandela!
    Freeeeeeeze Nelson Mandela!

    Yes very funny nasska.

    Did you read DPF’s post on the ‘Sad cycle of abuse’?

    Put me in mind of this story from a couple of days ago:

    The sad abuse of a cycle.

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  101. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Scott Chris

    That is fairly kinky! :)

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  102. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Maybe Red would be happier engaging with the Baininites ? There must surely be a few progs to sniff out on those threads.

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  103. lilman (932 comments) says:

    My wife just came back from kids practice, rugby,coach wanted to start with a Karakiha (prayer) for maori language week.
    My wife who’s Darker than Hone Hatfield laughed and said she thought they played ok last week and he must be desperate.She reckoned they might as well pee into a strong wind for all the good that will do.
    Took my boy and left,lol she’s a Taranaki Wahine with the right stuff.

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  104. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    lilman, Perhaps they should stop to consider that many Maori do not follow stone age myths, any more than most Europeans. Many of of PC brigade are great ones for stereotyping Maori.

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  105. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Le Figaro has estimated that since François Hollande’s government legalised pseudo-marriage for homosexuals the French police have brutalised and arrested over 1000 pro-family demonstrators, with 500 detentions.  Gregor Puppinck, a Human Rights lawyer for the European Center for Law and justice (ECLJ), has filed complaints against France in the UN Human Rights Council for brutalizing peaceful demonstrators. Videos show French police beating marriage demonstrators, using tear gas and clubs against women, men, elderly and children.

    C-Fam reports:

    ‘French authorities have decided pro-family demonstratos are a public threat. Riot police show up anywhere the demonstrators appear. They have been subject to baseless identity checks, arbitrary arrests and detentions, as well as police brutality through physical assaults and tear gas. Included in those roughed up by police has been Christine Boutin, former Cabinet Minister for the Sarkozy government who was tear-gassed, and Jean-Fredrick Poisson, a Member of the French National Assembly. ‘

    A report in Le Figaro has estimates of over 1000 arrests and 500 detentions since May 26. More than 150 individuals have filed complaints through different redress mechanisms.

    In comparison, when violent riots erupted following a victory of the Paris soccer team in May only 11 people were arrested. Nearly 300 were arrested at a La Manif demonstration the same month.

    Many were arrested solely for wearing a t-shirt with La Manif’s logo, an outline of a mother and father with two children. Forty-eight parliamentarians have demanded Hollande end the arbitrary detentions and arrests.

    According to organizers, three massive gatherings of up to one million demonstrators have taken place since January. The French Minister of the Interior, Manoel Valls justifies the presence of riot police by citing brief clashes between riot police and “a few hundred” protesters at the end of some demonstrations.

    But videos show French riot police charging peaceful protesters and families with children and elderly or disabled French citizens blinded by tear gas. Images of undercover police suggest they were under orders to instigate violence and then violently repress protesters.

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  106. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA wants to give the GOP a “Licking” in 2014 and its going to work even more closely with the Democrats to do it.

    In his latest message to the Party faithful: “Ingredients for a movement that can transform our country,” Webb outlined Communist Party objectives for the near future.

    Speaking of the broad “progressive” alliance with the Communist Party at its center Webb said:

    …a movement with transformative hopes must be up to its ears in the struggle for jobs, a higher minimum wage, immigration reform, gun control, infrastructure renewal, abortion rights, protecting the climate, preserving earned-benefit programs, marriage equality, voting rights, saving public education, reversing the sequester, winning a federal budget favoring people’s needs, cutting the military budget, and many more issues at the federal, state and local level.

    It should also be an energetic part of the struggle to give the Republican Party a licking in next year’s congressional elections. Defeating right-wing extremist candidates is the key link in moving the whole chain of struggle forward. It will take an expansive coalition of voters, including independents, centrists and even some moderate Republicans.

    To some on the far left, even the Democrats seem too moderate, but the Communist Party understands that victory is impossible without using the Dems (at least temporarily) to push their agenda.

    The Noisy Room.net

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  107. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Great company for Griff: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/07/02/seattle-mariners-and-portland-trailblazers-endorse-obamas-global-warming-agenda/

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  108. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I just heard on the the News that the “carbon market” has collapsed. Prices have gone from $20.00 to 17c LOL :)

    Still, the prophet Gore has already made hundreds of millions from his carbon trading companies, so don’t worry Griff, he will be ok.

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  109. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    A man walks into a bar and complains to the barman about his day.

    “You think you’ve got it bad,” the bar man replies. “My life is a bitch. I’ll show you.” He reaches under the bar and brings out a tiny man, perfectly formed, but only one foot high.

    He picked up the little man and placed him before the piano. The man played beautifully.

    “Where did you get him?” asked the customer.

    In a Middle Eastern bazaar, the barman explained.

    “I bought a lantern, took it home, started to clean it, up popped a genie……well, you know the story. I had one wish and this fellow is the result.”

    “I wished for the one thing every man wants,” he continued.

    “I don’t understand,” the customer frowned. “If you wished for every man’s desire, how did you end up with a foot high man who plays the piano?”

    “Well,” the barman said, “what I didn’t know was that the genie was deaf.”

    “So that is how I ended up with a 12-inch pianist.”

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  110. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    A little girl goes into a pet shop

    “I wanna wabbit,” she demands.

    “Well, do ya want a grey wabbit, a white one or a grey?” the shop owner replies.

    “Don’t matter,” says the girl, “Me python couldn’t give a fuck.”

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  111. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Paddy and Mary get married. On the wedding night, Mary strips off and lies in the middle of the bed, legs spread wide.

    “You know what I want, Paddy?” she pants.

    Paddy grunts.

    “The whole fooking bed by the look of it” he says.

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