Give it up Sir Owen

July 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Simon Collins at NZ Herald reports:

Members of an expert think-tank set up to guide Sir ’s $2 million inquiry into family violence say the only way for the inquiry to continue now would be for Sir Owen to step out of the process.

At least 14 of the 25 original NZ-based think-tank members have now quit following a report on Sunday that Sir Owen was accused of physically abusing a young woman in Hawaii in 2002.

“It’s made the credibility of anything coming out of the inquiry pretty much irreversible. You can’t get that kind of credibility back,” said veteran anti-violence advocate Kirimatao Paipa. “If he [Sir Owen] takes his name off it and leaves his money … then maybe we can salvage something out of this.”

Sadly I think his good intentions are now doomed. No matter who remains involved, the departure of so many means that whatever report it produces will not be able to build wide-spread support. He runs the risk of spending millions of dollars on a report that will not lead anywhere.

Mind you looking at the views of some of those who have departed the inquiry, I suspect that they were going to conclude that all is the result of poverty, colonialism, and correctional smacking. I’m not making this up – that is what one of the experts said on the radio. So even without this fiasco, I was sceptical that the inquiry would really confront the difficult issues such as whether abused children should be looked after by the extending family (who may also be dysfuntional) or be placed with total strangers (which is less than ideal). Likewise would it have confronted issues such as how to stop abusive parents having more children? Far too easy to blame it all on poverty.

Anyway the “experts” now seem to be saying that the only way forward is for Sir Owen to hand over great wads of money as a blank cheque to them, but to have no actual role in anyway with the inquiry – and to remove his name from it – plus remove his appointed board.

Gisborne District Councillor Manu Caddie and human rights campaigner Marama Davidson said Sir Owen and the former Supreme Court judge who now chairs the inquiry’s governance board, Bill Wilson, should go.

“If the inquiry has any future, changing the name and board membership is required. Sir Owen and Bill Wilson will need to give up their places on the board …”

I think Sir Owen deserves better than this. There are many other good causes in New Zealand he can support. Those who have left the inquiry will just continue to snipe at it and him from the sidelines.

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36 Responses to “Give it up Sir Owen”

  1. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    The vultures, the usual despicable suspects asking for free money and hand outs.

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  2. stigie (1,315 comments) says:

    We want you off the board Sir Owen but please keep feeding us with heaps of cash !!
    “Well phuck me”.

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  3. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    The was no show of this inquiry acomlishing anything of use. The be part of the inquiry on has to believe at least two things. Firstly, one had to believe that nearly all abuse between men and women – physical and psychological was imitated by men and in case where women abused men they were provoked. Secondly, one has to support the anti smacking legislation.

    Glenn cannot say he is blameless he would have know if the court case in Hawaii came one it would be detrimental to the inquiry. His story does not appear to stack up. If it was alleged he used significant force against a female and the allegation was totally false I cannot not see it casting him $100k. If the allegation was he gave her a push or maybe a light smack and it could not be supported with evidence it would cost less.

    It sounds me like the case of the mother in the news recently giving her son a smack with a fabric belt got a discharge without conviction. The US law is a little different but I think it would be similar.

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  4. rouppe (980 comments) says:

    If that many people can’t or won’t work with him then sure, close it down. But I think Owen Glenn should leave with his money. Pull the pin entirely.

    Withdraw to Fiji with his jacuzzi and long legged blondes to reconsider

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  5. wrightingright (145 comments) says:

    Almost makes me feel sorry for Sir Owen Glenn :-(

    And yes, he should pull the pin entirely on this. No more funding from them!

    Either start again entirely from scratch (not a good idea now I suspect), or support some entirely different cause, or just keep his own money for himself to play with (why not? It is his money, to do as he see fits with).

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  6. Aidy (7 comments) says:

    So is an “expert” an expert you tells you something you would rather not know, or what? Like John Key and that chap who has spent his life studying water quality?

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  7. emmess (1,432 comments) says:

    human rights campaigner Marama Davidson

    Hmmmmm where have I heard that name before?
    Come on – after 4 days she is supposed to be independent of a political party? That’s far more blatant than interviewing that other ex-greenie candidate as just some random Joe?

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  8. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “If he [Sir Owen] takes his name off it and leaves his money … then maybe we can salvage something out of this.” said veteran anti-violence advocate Kirimatao Paipa.

    Youre fucking joking eh ? Come on…seriously , tell me you are joking.

    You bludging parasitical scumbag.

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  9. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Whole thing was a waste of time and money.

    An inquiry into child abuse in NZ? We all know it would accomplish nothing at all.

    Owen Glenn doesn’t deserve anything. If he thought he could spend his to help reduce child abuse, he was foolish. We already through a tonne of money to those abusing their kids.

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  10. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Issues surrounding abuse and social development are completely controlled by leftist ideologues in this country, and their approach is to never question the results (or methodology) of their state funded inquisition.

    But like any inquisition throughout history, if you don’t strictly adhere to the doctrine, you will be punished.

    The left never admit error, when problems occur they just double down and declare “it’s because we didn’t implement enough change” and away they go again.

    There is not a hope in hell of addressing the real causes of child abuse in this country while leaders like John Key leave legislation pushed by extremists like Sue Bradford in place.

    He had the opportunity, and he completely pissed it away.

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  11. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I think Sir Owen deserves better than this

    No he does not. He has got exactly what he deserves.

    I wish I could be speaking out in support of Glenn and the way he has, at least tried, to address a serious issue in our society. The reason I do not support him is because he has sat back and uncritically supported anti male hate groups who seek to destroy families and marginalise men. The people he has aligned himself with want to advance radical feminist doctrine, not prevent violence. They have other agendas that differ from their publicly stated goals. Mistreating males and destroying traditional families is no way to prevent violence. It is in fact a major cause of violence.

    Mr Glenn is now on the the receiving end of a mind set he has supported.

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  12. JC (971 comments) says:

    He should take his money, round up some off duty cops, spend a few bucks on booze and pop them the question on DV. He’ll get the who, when, where and how very quickly.. he’ll also get how to fix it.. probably something like the offender, a small locked room.. and Jamie Joseph.

    JC

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  13. peterwn (3,304 comments) says:

    “I suspect that they were going to conclude that all child abuse is the result of poverty, colonialism, and correctional smacking”
    You forgot to mention income ‘inequality’ (ie a call for sky high taxes) which is what such groups are banging on about at present.

    The objective of these people and groups is to get a Labour / Green, etc government in power – never mind the kids.

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  14. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    The objective of these people and groups is to keep their noses in the trough – never mind the kids.

    ( I would have done that cutesy strikeout stuff but I am too thick to learn that stuff :-) )

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  15. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    I strongly suspect poorer households have a higher rate of child abuse. However, even if I am correct that does not prove poverty causes child abuse. I wonder if any who are or were in this inquiry understand anything about cause and effect.

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  16. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    I cannot but believe that Sir Owen had other than altruistic motives for the enquiry but it was doomed from the start. It would be impossible to fill a phonebox in NZ with “experts” who weren’t touchy feely, know all socialists pushing a barrow.

    In any case it wouldn’t cost $2 million to provide the answers. A quick interview with the head of the local Police Youth Aid section at any local cop shop would have turned up the drivers of family violence. Intergenerational welfare dependancy & drop kick parents who breed indiscriminately would account for 90% of the problem.

    As such that would give the handwringers plenty to occupy them until the next call for some useless enquiry to seek answers that everyone knows but are too cowered by political correctness to voice.

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  17. Steve (North Shore) (4,587 comments) says:

    This was never going to work once the freeloaders, troughers and commies got involved.
    Come on Owen, show them your Man Card and tell them to FUCK OFF.
    Appologies to those who may have benifitted in the designed way

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  18. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I strongly suspect poorer households have a higher rate of child abuse.

    It equally proves that child abuse causes poverty or that people prone to poverty are prone to child abuse…

    Part of the problem is the way people assume things from the outset. I personally think lack of money does lead to child abuse, but that should not be an assumption made in an open minded enquiry.

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  19. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Remember that Glenn made powerful enemies (not Winston, Hulun) who have vast sway amongst the very people who earn their livings from this industry. They have vested interests in getting rid of this irritation.

    The last thing Hulun would want after she retires to quiet little NZ following her triumphant stint as UN S-G, is someone who competes with her for sainthood.

    Think that’s far fetched? Why? Is it beyond what they would do? And what sort of effort has it taken? A few words in a few ears.

    Most of the people who work in this field are precisely like teachers. They’re arrogant, they think they know everything, they’re idealistic and they have no fucking idea how life works or people tick.

    This wasn’t an accident it was deliberate sabotage. It might not have been led or initiated by Hulun and if she conceived it she would have appointed someone on the ground here to do it, she wouldn’t sully her hands with it. But this has her fingerprints all over it. Doesn’t it.

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  20. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Reid, sometimes I rather enjoy your conspiracy theories ;)

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  21. Bob R (1,392 comments) says:

    ***Likewise would it have confronted issues such as how to stop abusive parents having more children?***

    Exactly right. Incidentally, the issue of family planning and responsible birth control use is also something that Child Poverty campaigners in general need to focus on. That is, if they seriously expect to improve the situation.

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  22. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Reid is on to it. There wouldn’t be one of the family violence “experts” who wouldn’t get choked up & misty eyed reminiscing over the reign of Dear Leader when generous funding was automatic for every hare brained study & project.

    Life was good for them then

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  23. projectman (228 comments) says:

    One of the factors in this whole sorry mess will not be resolved until a sensible alternative is found to the long-standing state-funded breeding programmes (i.e. various forms of welfare assistance) for the unemployed and unemployable non-contributors to society.

    Many don’t value education and have no chance of succeeding if they don’t participate positively in their early years – very hard to do so when parents and other family, who similarly have failed earlier, are unable to provide leadership for their children.

    As it stands, things will simply continue with more of the same, everything always being the fault of the government of the day.

    Agree with earlier posters that Owen Glen should take his money elsewhere.

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  24. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    Someone commented on the panel that this was about foregone conclusions: which foregone conclusion.

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  25. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    This outcome is both sad, and predictable.

    As a Counsellor, Family Mediator, Lecturer, and Social Services Outcomes Researcher in private practice who has been on the front line for nearly 15 years, I wrote to the Glenn Enquiry and made a couple of observations.

    The first was that it was impossible for an enquiry to be independent, whilst stacking the enquiry with previous servants of the State.

    The second observation is that the Glenn Enquiry were making the same mistake as the Govt-sponsored Green and White Paper before them: asking those who have no meaningful answers to the problem, for meaningful answers to the problem – an issue on which I expand here: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1210/S00180/white-paper-a-whitewash-says-counsellor.htm

    The media person at the Enquiry asked if they could pass my observations onto the Board, and former Director of the Enquiry Ruth Herbert invited me out for coffee to discuss my critique, but then was unable to follow through on the invite – the brown stuff hit the whirly thing soon after.

    Simon Collins seems almost gleeful in his write-up of the story over the last few weeks, which surprised me.

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  26. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    So even without this fiasco, I was sceptical that the inquiry would really confront the difficult issues…

    Such as cultural influences.

    The sorts of people who usually get involved in this sort of thing (the anti-capitalist, anti-colonialists) often refuse to draw conclusions that may reflect poorly on certain identity-groups in society.

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  27. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    these people disgust me. they have zero shame.

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  28. radvad (772 comments) says:

    “experts”. Yeah right.

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  29. YesWeDid (1,050 comments) says:

    ‘Far too easy to blame it all on poverty.’

    Given the number of rich white men who have physically abused their partners lately I’d say poverty isn’t the only cause.

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  30. Nostalgia-NZ (5,277 comments) says:

    Would be interesting to know who dug the dirt on Owen Glenn. I don’t think the ‘defectors’ have the humility to recognise that whatever their concerns might be they have struck a blow against the purpose of the inquiry, have to say they’re arsewipes to put their own ‘sensibilities’ first before those intended to benefit from the inquiry.

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  31. rangitoto (248 comments) says:

    What was the point of this inquiry ? There’s already been more than enough talk and reports. What is lacking is action.

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  32. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    “Given the number of rich white men who have physically abused their partners lately I’d say poverty isn’t the only cause.”

    true that. my brother was a front line cop for 10 years. he was always going to domestics where rich white guys were lashing out. never ever pissed maoris.

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  33. OneTrack (3,221 comments) says:

    rangitoto – ” What is lacking is action.”

    So what action would that be? Would it, by any chance, be increasing the taxes on productive members of society and giving it to others who are, shall we say, more “productive”. How much more should we give them to solve the problem?

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  34. Rich Prick (1,721 comments) says:

    OK, so a room full of screaming lefties was going to end well? Labour’s caucus should have been instructive.

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  35. tvb (4,501 comments) says:

    The do gooders on the inquiry no doubt got paid for their involvement but found that Sir Owen’s coin which they greedily accepted is a little tainted. So they bail out and wait to hire their names for some other cause.

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  36. Scott1 (576 comments) says:

    Glen seemed reasonably convincing during his interview tonight – I take it that events were as he stated in which case it is delusional dirt that these people have been digging…

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