Man ban binned

July 9th, 2013 at 10:44 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

has withdrawn its proposal for women-only selections after a request from Leader David Shearer.

Mr Shearer said it was distracting from other issues and he did not believe it was what people wanted from Labour.

He said he had asked the Council to withdraw that proposal and it had agreed.

I score this as Whale 1, Labour members and activists 0 :-)

What is astonishing is that neither Shearer nor Robertson, who sit on the NZ Council, did anything to stop this before it was adopted.

The fact they may or may not have been at a particular meeting is irrelevant. Papers get sent out well in advance of meetings. If they had good political management they would have killed this off prior to the NZ Council adopting it and recommending to the the annual conference.

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53 Responses to “Man ban binned”

  1. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    What a pity . I was so looking forward to Shearer and Robertson trying to defend this loopy policy.

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  2. Zebulon (114 comments) says:

    They lack the ability to think strategically. There are many examples, including the “man ban”, shafting Peter Dunne as a potential coalition partner in favour of someone whose skill lies in bringing down governments, and John Key’s brilliant out flanking of Labour in respect of Auckland’s roading issues. Putting aside the issue of whether you like Labour or not, this lack shows that they are not currently fit to compete in the governance race, let alone to govern.

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  3. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Isn’t that just like them, to spoil our fun!

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  4. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    So what are National doing about its “targets”, objctives which can only be met by practically the same kind of coercion?

    The National Government is committed to increasing the numbers of women on state and private sector boards. We are committed to achieving 45 percent on state sector boards and we are delighted to see our target of 10 percent on private sector boards already exceeded. The number of women on the boards of the top 100 companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange reached 14.75 percent in 2012, up from 9.3 percent in 2010.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=40568

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  5. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    But we don’t have to let it die.

    How did it get so far?
    When did Shearer first know?
    How can he dictate to the members?
    Was he hiding it like his secret bank account?
    Why couldn’t he find an elegant solution?
    Why did he run and hide?
    Why did Robertson leave the room?

    Lots of fun yet.

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  6. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    So, now labour DONT want women MP’s???

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  7. shoreboy57 (140 comments) says:

    Gone but not forgotten

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  8. tas (625 comments) says:

    The damage control is finally happening. The proposal probably will result in fewer female Labour MPs, by virtue of there being fewer Labour MPs.

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  9. OneTrack (3,089 comments) says:

    “Withdrawn”

    Yeah – wink, wink, say no more. And what happens in the next LEC and list candidate selection meetings stays in the meetings.

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  10. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Seems obvious to me that Shearer is getting sunk from the inside. It’s almost like the internal faction has decided the election is lost, so just sink the man they don’t want and then prepare for the election after that. That the centre-right is polling so averagely at a time like this should be of concern.

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  11. wreck1080 (3,906 comments) says:

    the whale is on the rise.

    How about Cameron Slater for next Labour leader?

    The good thing is that he is great at calling BS when it is due.

    In a similar way to Bob Jones I think – he has a great column in todays herald by rightly denouncing the inane fluff that journalists and politicians utter.

    Why did Bob never become PM? Says what he thinks I guess.

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  12. tas (625 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: There is a difference between targets and quotas. Quotas are a lazy way to meet targets. Quotas artificially put more women in parliament; having token female MPs that are only there because you heavily tilted the playing field in their favour is nothing to be proud of.

    I hope National doesn’t take the easy way out and instead focuses on making a level playing field for women and getting more women playing.

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  13. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Shearer may have won this battle with Labour’s National Council. But given that the membership of the party clearly wants David Cunliffe as leader, he will not win the war. There will be repercussions as a result of today’s move by Shearer.

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  14. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    This just demonstrates Labour’s total lack of political leadership on this issue,

    If you get past that someone on the labour council should have realised that this might be a little controversial and that it should have been killed before seeing the light of day,

    But once it did erupt they basically ran away from the grenade and let it explode and dominate the political landscape for 5 days,

    It is telling that Shearer would not front any media until this morning over this matter, despite saying that he was against it on Friday and sending Sue Moroney on the Nation to continue to justify it…

    Shearer should have called a press conference on Friday morning an killed this policy then and there ( along with the media storm) , He should have then appeared on the Weekend shows and continue to starve the oxygen out of the story.

    The fact he had to wait a weekend implies he has no control of the party and is essentially a puppet leader….

    A number of Journo colleagues of mine have said that this is one of the worst media handling debacles they have seen in an long time, and it severely weakens Shearer’s leadership

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  15. kowtow (8,449 comments) says:

    Too funny for words.

    You all supported the totally looney notion of marriage equality but used this particular equality tool to beat Labour with hahahahaaha.

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  16. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    In a democracy no party leader has the right to quash the process within the party.

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  17. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    Cunliffe for leader.

    What you’ve been doing is not working and it’s descended to the level of a farce.

    {Nationalising the electricity supply. Women-only candidate selections. What. The. Fuck. Labour?}

    It’s time to embrace the man with the amusing surname. :-)

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  18. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    anonymouse, a party is not a vassal of the person elected party leader.

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  19. Ryan Sproull (7,135 comments) says:

    Can we get back to National and the GCSB now?

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  20. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    I’ll paste my comment from the other thread here since this looks like it will become the active thread.

    Why is Louisa Wall, who “disagrees with discrimination in any form” not being taken to task for supporting this?

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  21. Fletch (6,384 comments) says:

    Right, so can we get the Marriage (Equality) Amendment law overturned as well? Quickly, before it comes into effect.

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  22. tas (625 comments) says:

    kowtow, Fletch: There is no comparison between gender quotas and marriage equality. The former is equality of outcomes, the latter is equality of opportunity. If there were a law requiring that an equal number of gay an straight marriages take place, then you might be able to make a comparison.

    You’re just trying to derail the thread.

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  23. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    “Why is Louisa Wall, who “disagrees with discrimination in any form” not being taken to task for supporting this?”

    Because at the hands of the Progressives, our political landscape is completely corrupt.

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  24. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    “Redbaiter: There is a difference between targets and quotas.”

    Yes I know that Tas, but the difference is really only a matter of semantics and both ideas are underwritten by the same cultural Marxist crap.

    National and Labour- really no different.

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  25. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The question remains, is their discrimination in the selection process if fewer MP’s are women?

    This connects to the glass ceiling issue, if there are suitable candidates then why the lack of equal representation?

    The answer is of course is that workload and conditions (working away from home) deters many qualified candidates for the electorate MP position.

    Should we then continue with unequal representation or look at ways to provide for women MP’s with children?

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  26. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    @SPC That is true, but it does not take 5 days to debate such an issue,

    This is crisis management 101, you call the members of the council on Thursday night, and say that as leader this is a stupid idea and I will not support it publicly, if you want me to remain as the parliamentary leader make this remit disappear,

    They then have a choice, the remit , or Shearer’s leadership, the fact Shearer took 5 days to do this shows how weak his position in the party is…..

    H1 used H2 to ensure she was never put in this position, who does Shearer have?

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  27. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    “How about Cameron Slater for next Labour leader?”

    He’s got the prog profile and is probably just what they need.

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  28. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    anonymouse, are you saying the party leader should only allow remits that he supports to be discussed at party conferences? Really? All I would have advised him saying, is that he did not support the remit and would work to develop alternative approaches to meeting targets.

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  29. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    Recent Comments:

    Redbaiter on Man ban binned
    Redbaiter on Man ban binned
    Redbaiter on Man ban binned
    Redbaiter on Man ban binned

    Anyone would think Labour’s death-spiral affected you personally old boy! :-)

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  30. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    “Can we get back to National and the GCSB now?”

    You’re on to it Ryan.

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  31. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    One of the first rules for a potential Prime Minister is to demonstrate that they are in control of their party machine. Helen Clark knew this and her deep experience and widespread contacts in the party meant she could exercise total control over the Labour Party machine. Once in control of the aprty machine, the Leader then needs to control the caucus. Candidate selection is critical to that control. Once the potential prime minister has demonstrated control over the party, both in and out of Parliament, then they can present themselves as credible candidate for Prime Minister. I think recent events point to Shearer not being in control of anything, and therefore unworthy to be considered for Prime Minister.

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  32. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    One of the first rules for a potential Prime Minister is to demonstrate that they are in control of their party machine. Helen Clark knew this and her deep experience and widespread contacts in the party meant she could exercise total control over the Labour Party machine. Once in control of the party machine, the Leader then needs to control the caucus. Candidate selection is critical to that control. Once the potential prime minister has demonstrated control over the party, both in and out of Parliament, then they can present themselves as credible candidate for Prime Minister. I think recent events point to Shearer not being in control of anything, and therefore unworthy to be considered for Prime Minister.

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  33. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    RRM- almost all your comments on every thread are feeble attempts to bring attention to yourself. Off topic and definitely not funny, (no matter how hard you try) the comments are really just symptomatic of your narcissism- the little boy who always wanted his mummy’s attention.

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  34. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    The men that can’t remember where their sock drawer is, and has always been, can stand to pee.

    The rest should learn to squat in the grass, obviously these sort are not ready for civilisation.

    This type of feminine thinking is why men feel the need to be in control of the country – without that domination, most would have grass strains on their butts.

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  35. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Dammit, it would have been better to wait until they were halfway through their candidate selection process for the next election before upending things. Thats probably the only way it could have been more damaging to the party.

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  36. Alan Wilkinson (1,878 comments) says:

    @Judith, did you really mean strains or stains? My mind is boggling.

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  37. kowtow (8,449 comments) says:

    Much is being made of the difference between quotas and targets , because this man ban is being used as a huge anti Shearer beatup .

    The fact is National have been shown to have targets for wimmin in private and public governance positions.

    National, in intent, are also on the same looney page as the equality looney left.

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  38. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Alan Wilkinson (1,644) Says:
    July 9th, 2013 at 11:47 am
    @Judith, did you really mean strains or stains? My mind is boggling.
    —————————–

    Goodness me, a freudian slip? I did mean stains (I think). :-)

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  39. Ryan Sproull (7,135 comments) says:

    You’re on to it Ryan.

    Bet you never thought you’d be typing that, Redbaiter.

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  40. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Down with Sheilas! Up with Jokers!

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  41. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (750) Says:
    July 9th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Down with Sheilas! Up with Jokers!
    ———————————-

    Geez mate, you’re sounding like a blimmin ozzie there!

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  42. Andrew McMillan (50 comments) says:

    It’s a pity, the man “ban” could have made Labour’s front bench a lot more palatable:

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  43. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Do you really think that because Shearer says it will not happen – then you are misguided.
    He still agree with the principle and has obfuscated with waffle. Grant Robertson was there at the meeting but went for a “pee’ when it was discussed.
    ManBan will continue calling it “Positive Selection”. It will happen under the radar – watch the lists for the next election which are made up by the Party and not the Caucus.
    Remember Timmy Barnett (and Lovissa Wall) are behind it, supported by the Carol Beaumonts of this world.
    Don’t be naïve in believing it has gone away.

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  44. Rich Prick (1,700 comments) says:

    I think David Shearer looked positively like a Prime Minister in waiting, in his handling of the man-ban. The wait might be 9 years though.

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  45. wreck1080 (3,906 comments) says:

    Geezers will be geezers and birds will be birds . Why can’t we all just get along.

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis 10:54 am

    It’s the difference between 1) me making all the right noises to WINZ that I’m looking for work, while thinking to myself ‘they can get fucked’

    And 2) me telling them flat out to get fucked. Which they wouldn’t take kindly to.

    So… you don’t know for sure how the women that are there got there or why. Because… they’re women?

    And if one party does it… the other bloody one does it. That’s one theory anyway. They’ll both ‘make’ the numbers equal officially or unofficially whatever the public’s reaction is. Hey, it’s their party, and they can make you cry if they want to.

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Judith 11:40 am What is it with you and sock drawers? I know where my fucking socks are!! I know where everything is.

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  48. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Judith11:40 am yeah? Well I voted Helen, Helen, Helen and Helen. Bucks your theory a bit eh?

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  49. Kea (12,815 comments) says:

    Withdrawn my arse. Delayed until they are in power more like it.

    “me telling them flat out to get fucked.”

    LRC, You have a way with women. Keep working on those people skills and I am sure you will secure employment ;)

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  50. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    wreck1080 t 10:59 am I might’ve read him saying that he actually couldn’t be bothered with it for various reasons, including too much time and hard work.. the kind he doesn’t consider rewarding to him… amongst other reasons. And yeah… being a politician means being diplomatic to some degree. Somewhere.. one of his books or somewhere… he does give his thoughts on politics and why he can’t be bothered with it.

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  51. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Kea 3:01 pm Thanks mate. Good theory… but the only work I’m qualified for leaves me working with my fellow morons. So people skills don’t work. You need moron skills. Moron skills means the unrealistic ability to not want to try and slap all the stupid off their fuckwit faces.

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  52. Sy (3 comments) says:

    I recall in the Nation interview with Sue Morony she also advocated for a similar quota for gays to better represent their representation in society. Am I missing something here, or is Morony living on a different planet?

    Surely if there were also a Gay quota Labour would actually have to cull their caucus to reflect the true cross section in society?

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  53. Kea (12,815 comments) says:

    Surely if there were also a Gay quota Labour would actually have to cull their caucus to reflect the true cross section in society?

    Good point :)

    I also think angry feminists are over-represented in the Labour caucus. As are socialists. What are under represented are white middle aged middle class straight males.

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