Not comparing apples and apples

July 1st, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

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The Herald had a story about how opposition to the deal has increased since last year from 40% to 62%. But the print version includes this graphic which shows very different questions asked, in terms of options provided.

What would have been the results if the Herald asked the same question as last year, giving an option of approving if the number of machines across the city drops? I guess we’ll never know – which is a pity.

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20 Responses to “Not comparing apples and apples”

  1. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    And the opposition had the temerity to use this ‘attack weapon’ in the house last week! Very weak……

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  2. All_on_Red (1,644 comments) says:

    Fairfax Share price down to 49 cents Aud. Getting closer and closer to break up point. Wont be long now.

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  3. Andrew (85 comments) says:

    My guess is there were space/interview duration restrictions in 2012, because really the Herald were squeezing two questions into one.

    No surprise at all that more people disapproved in the 2013 question.

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  4. Andrew (85 comments) says:

    Having said the above, I think it’s excellent that the Herald are transparent when it comes to the question wording. It allows people to reach their own conclusions. Well done for that.

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  5. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    I would like some polling on whether Aucklanders would pay for the convention centre from rates

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  6. Graeme Edgeler (3,290 comments) says:

    What would have been the results if the Herald asked the same question as last year, giving an option of approving if the number of machines across the city drops?

    Surely that would only be relevant if that’s what the deal did? Does it?

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  7. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Graeme Edgeler 9:55 am

    No, it cannot, because the only regulator of the total number of machines across the city is the Auckland Council (and its regulatory powers are pretty weak) who are not a party to the Government – SkyCity dirty deal.

    No matter how hard DPF and others try to polish the turd that is the SkyCity deal it still stinks.

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  8. Redbaiter (9,561 comments) says:

    Sorry but I just do not get why there has to be any “deal” involving the government.

    Sky City wants to build a convention centre or it does not. Why doesn’t it just get on with it.

    Sky City wants to increase the number of gaming machines or it does not.

    Surely there are already consenting processes in place for either option in respect of either project.

    What the hell is all this “deal” business and why are Government Ministers involved?

    Just get on with it in accordance with current regulations. Since when has it been government’s business to get involved in such “deals”. So much wrong with it I don’t know where to start.

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  9. mikemikemikemike (331 comments) says:

    Public support or not, it was a dodgy deal and everyone knows it. We needed a convention centre and thats great, I don’t even have a problem with increase in pokies ( I really don’t care) but the backhanded way in which its been done is what gets me concerned.

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  10. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    A friend of mine has worked at SkyCity for 10 years now…I asked him if the pokie machines are fully utilised most of the time. He said not even close and they maybe have one day a month when there is near full usage. So what difference is another 350 going to make…fuck all. Remember this when the anti gambling nong’s try to claim there are legions of potential problem gamblers queued up at the door just waiting to get onto a vacant machine…

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  11. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Reds right….what the hell business is it of the States what SkyCity…or anyone else do with their own business and property? If they want to spend their money and build 10 more Casinos then they have the right to do so…fuck anyone else’s opinion.

    Oh but what about the “problem gamblers” that we have to run around after you say…? Fuck them too….their issue is THEIR issue and their responsibility to sort out…with voluntary aid from those concerned enough to care.

    Lets stop straitjacketing people and their right to get on with their own lives free from being anchored to every loser and hardluck case via the State and their tax and spend altruist mindset.

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  12. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    So the proportion of people who approved the deal that was done increased by around 75%?

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  13. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Surely that would only be relevant if that’s what the deal did? Does it?

    Exactly. I can see what DPF means but…

    …it’s a different question post deal. That’s why it’s a simple yes or no.

    I would be interesting to know whether the numbers across the city have dropped. The Government made big noises about historical drops but, have the numbers now gone up?

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  14. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Scorned. That’s right. Those dirty gamblers. None of it is our problem right? And certainly not your problem. I’ll kick them useless hobos next time I see them down Nelson St. And if I kick ‘em enough times they’ll just get on with their useless lives and make zillions and there will be no need for pokies. Maaaaterstroke. And hey – Don’t worry mate you don’t have to do any of the dirty work – everyone else will do it for you so just wind back ya chair and catch a few zzzzs

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  15. OneTrack (3,223 comments) says:

    toad – “No matter how hard DPF and others try to polish the turd that is the SkyCity deal it still stinks.”

    Yeah, we should just stop screwing around and put the taxes up so then the state can pay for a convention center. Isn’t that right toad? The nerve of a private company offering to pay for a new convention center. And those other bidders should have been able to keep tendering – they all wanted to give the public a free convention center too, didn’t they. But that evil John Key just didn’t give them a chance -they might have built an even bigger center, AND thrown money in as well. Silly John Key.

    And the poor problem gamblers. I see them now, all queuing up the road waiting for a poker machine to be freed up. And now, because of this deal the queue will be cut in half. Oh, the horror. And what about the children.

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  16. OneTrack (3,223 comments) says:

    mikemikemikemike – “Public support or not, it was a dodgy deal and everyone knows it”

    Ah, no, everybody doesn’t. Maybe you can explain exactly what was wrong with it?

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  17. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Yeah, we should just stop screwing around and put the taxes up so then the state can pay for a convention center. Isn’t that right toad?

    You’re right. Toad’s got it all wrong.

    What I reckon is best is selling laws. They’re pretty hard things to get your little hands on these days. And they’re worth so darn much. Supply ‘n’ demand and all dat. So let’s sell ‘em. Sell the country’s laws to the highest bidder. JK’s already proven it’s a winner. And that way we’ll have all the things we ever wanted… another Maaaaasssstterstroke. There’s just so many good ideas around here; I feel the creativity and innovation flowing.

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  18. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    The Government made big noises about historical drops but, have the numbers now gone up?

    Seems you get a down vote for asking what the current numbers of pokies are but you get an up vote for kicking hobos. Hmmm…

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  19. mikemikemikemike (331 comments) says:

    @OneTrack – ummm how about the complete sidelining of the public in ‘updating’ legislation in return for the convention centre that will just happen to hold the next few blue colored conferences…

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  20. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    “the convention centre that will just happen to hold the next few blue colored conferences”
    I can’t wait for the red team to be caught there. A shiny new convention centre – they’ll be at the opening!

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