Rat poison as coke!

July 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

A great quote in this Herald article:

Thoughts of a Labour/Green alliance running the country has given CEOs food for thought.

Asked if Green Party co-leaders Russel Norman and Metiria Turei have added sufficient heft to the Opposition to make a credible potential government, Paul Ravlich, chief executive at Siemens, said: “God, I truly hope not.”

And that about sums up the views of the majority of CEOs who took part in this year’s survey.

One CEO said: “The resulting commercial and business naivety is scary. Their energy policy is a constitutional outrage – The are akin to selling rat poison under the Coca Cola brand – the branding of the Greens as ‘green’ belies their position as hard left.”

This is harsh, but not entirely unfair. The Greens fundamentally do not like economic growth, as they see it as exploiting the planet and people. They used to rail against it. Now they talk about a “richer” New Zealand and lots of “Green jobs”, when in fact their policies are huge massive subsidies for those jobs which will destroy probably 2 – 3 other jobs for every job it creates.

One CEO said: “The Greens have become the Alliance Party in drag. Their naive economic and trade policy thinking threatens to put at risk achievements made on the trade front through the effective bipartisan efforts of both Labour and National.”

Exports to China have trebled since the China FTA. An increase of say 30% would be remarkable, but we got an increase of 200% and more. Yet Greens and NZ First voted against the FTA, and campaigned against it. Imagine how many jobs would have been lost if they had got their way.

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41 Responses to “Rat poison as coke!”

  1. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    This is harsh, but not entirely unfair.

    It’s totally fair and nowhere near harsh enough.

    It is now that these clowns need to be called out for the hopeless lot they are. Everytime they say something that is totally wrong or a a deliberate lie the government needs to have someone stand up and point it out in public that they are bullshitting.

    Everytime they lie or make a spurious claim someone from the government needs to say “Prove it” or ask ‘are you lying deliberately?’

    The only reason they are polling at all is they are given a free run , no one questions them. National need someone dedicated to asking the greens the hard questions, every time they make a press release question it. Take away any vestige of credibility they have , which they only have anyway because of a pie in the sky media .

    Its only a few months until the next election. These clowns cols well and truly dstroy NZ economically for a geneeration if enough of the lazy “I want everytghing for bugger all” actually get off their arses and vote.

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  2. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    If only the Greens practiced what they preached regarding development and were made unics and the rest were spaded

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  3. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Hey Paul- the same has to happen to National but the media is full of cretans like Patrick Gower, Corrin Dan and Sean Plunket

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  4. Michael (896 comments) says:

    One thing we should give Helen Clark for is the FTA with China. I know Helen’s political correctness was over the top and showed an vanity to her world view but the Chinese FTA is a postive.

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  5. bringbackdemocracy (394 comments) says:

    Michael—-the Chinese political system was more to her liking than the American.

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  6. jaba (2,089 comments) says:

    the Gweens by their very nature are hypocrites .. a true Gween supporter who lives in Riverton, who I wont name ,is typical of their supporters. On the outside they could be good old Uncle Ernie or Auntie Susie but are in fact batshit mad.

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  7. MT_Tinman (2,990 comments) says:

    Eunuch for christs sake. Eunuch!

    I’ll be bloody glad when school goes back.

    The “greens” are red, totally and completely. Nothing else needs be said.

    The National Anthem will become a heartfelt plaintive cry should they ever be part of a government.

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  8. Psycho Milt (2,263 comments) says:

    Next week, the Herald asks union leaders for their thoughts on whether the parties currently in government make a credible government.

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  9. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    @Mt_tinman: here was me thinking that half them would be forced to use a free operating system, and the other half would put up with poor pick up lines. I think the Internet is getting harder to read. I blame Labour.

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  10. jaba (2,089 comments) says:

    Psycho .. the unions don’t generate income for the country so who gives a shit what they think?

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  11. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    There has to be a balance between economic growth it’s environmental impact…the greens are the only ones looking to do that.

    Kudos to them!!!

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  12. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    No black, all parties are looking to do that. In believing the Greens to be the only ones, you’re just exposing your own biases.

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  13. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    “Eunuch for Christs sake”
    Also “Speyed” for Christs sake.
    But he is trying hard

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  14. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Oh bullshit Paul!

    How is the gov’t looking to gut the RMA working for the best interests of the environment?

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  15. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    Again, it’s a balance. I’m pretty sure that they’re not looking to gut the RMA – certainly the bit that’s stopping me from building a house where I want on land I own doesn’t appear to be going. So they’re still balancing. It’s just not a balance that you like, that’s all.

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  16. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    The only reason the Green Taliban do so well is the fucking media. National are too scared to stand up to the Green bullshit because it may cost votes – best let Labour and Greens fight it out and just watch. The media of course need to be pulled up as well. How about some of the center right demanding that they get publicity on “Q & A” and “The Nation”?
    Rachel Smalley should try it head on with a center right panel. What’s that? no way? It does not get viewers?
    Drunken Gardener and Son of Phuket are just the same — no balance.

    End of rant

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  17. Griff (6,763 comments) says:

    Best renewable energy source that New Zealand has available to it.
    Hydro power
    Greenpolicy.
    No more dams!

    The reason New Zealand is not broke yet.
    Agricultural exports.
    Green policy.
    Push our agricultural techniques back into the stone age.

    The Maoris dysfunctional society our major social problem.
    Crime, Abuse and Benefits
    Green policy
    Hand the country to them.

    Loony’s.

    If they represent the green future FFS Why wait? Annihilate the human race now.

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  18. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Oh I’m pretty sure the govt is looking to gut the RMA in favour of business and to hell with the environmental impact.

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  19. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Going to a be funny day when a National govt forces these same policies on you lot because TINA.

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  20. Yoza (1,544 comments) says:

    Asked if they thought the introduction of a Pinochet style junta would be of benefit to New Zealand each of the CEOs began the Pavlovian response of involuntarily salivating.

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  21. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    Hmm. Black, Tom and Yoza all have the same position. What could one reasonably deduce from that? Most likely that the position is 100% wrong.

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  22. Reid (15,943 comments) says:

    Next week, the Herald asks union leaders for their thoughts on whether the parties currently in government make a credible government.

    The unions. The job creation machine. Yes they certainly add value, don’t they. Meanwhile, in the real world…

    Oh I’m pretty sure the govt is looking to gut the RMA in favour of business and to hell with the environmental impact.

    Mistaking this govt for something that would do that is like mistaking Barbie for Godzilla, Black. The reason you guys are tanking is cos you haven’t yet got that.

    Going to a be funny day when a National govt forces these same policies on you lot because TINA.

    Why don’t you leave Tina Turner out of this Tom, you prick.

    Asked if they thought the introduction of a Pinochet style junta would be of benefit to New Zealand each of the CEOs began the Pavlovian response of involuntarily salivating.

    Asked if they thought the introduction of compulsory unionism would be of benefit to New Zealand, each of the union leaders began the Pavlovian response of mounting the dog next to them.

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  23. wiseowl (760 comments) says:

    Yes the Government IS gutting the RMA or the way I look at it they are rendering it ineffective with changes that are designed to neuter any sensible environmental recognition.
    I am no fan of the greens but the nats have Smith who has personal problems when it comes to the RMA,I don’t know why and the cabinet is full of members who have no understanding of the environment anyway.

    The RMA was OK but has been abused so much there are now major problems with it.
    There is a way forward economically , that encompasses recognition of environmental concerns but it has been lost by zealous and shallow thinking along with unnecessary interference by uneducated Nats.

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  24. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure that bullshit. What I see is reform to stop people who aren’t impacted from just mindlessly objecting to everything.

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  25. adze (1,864 comments) says:

    The RMA appears to have been used by councils as a way to generate revenue through vexatious delays and requirements that have little to do with the environment.

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  26. Nostalgia-NZ (4,910 comments) says:

    I think the reason why business disregards and objects Green’s policies is because of social and business awareness that has resulted in changes toward the relationship with the environment. Yet the Green’s apparently keep beating the same drum, as though they are politically a ‘one man (woman) band’ without much thought beyond policies that are negative – they need to work on that.

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  27. Psycho Milt (2,263 comments) says:

    …the unions don’t generate income for the country…

    Unlike those Galtian supermen, our overlords the CEOs, who single-handedly generate the nation’s GDP unencumbered by the grubby constraints of manual labour. Oh, if only the country’s proletarians shared the mighty CEOs’ vision of this country surging forward in growth once its workforce is truly cost-competitive with that of China – or shit, why not Bangladesh? If we’re going to be ambitious for New Zealand, let’s do it properly, right?

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  28. Nostalgia-NZ (4,910 comments) says:

    I hope you were standing on a soap box when you typed that milt.

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  29. Griff (6,763 comments) says:

    Nos-nz
    To some degree that’s why the greens are going farther left. Their original green stance is redundant, All valid political party’s in New Zealand are Environmentally aware.

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  30. Nostalgia-NZ (4,910 comments) says:

    You got it Griff.

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  31. Reid (15,943 comments) says:

    Oh, if only the country’s proletarians shared the mighty CEOs’ vision of this country surging forward in growth once its workforce is truly cost-competitive with that of China

    Yes that’s quite true PM. Why if only the CEO’s in this country could have a ready force of Chinese labourers @ 0.99c p.h. then we would be wonderful in all respects.

    Tell us PM, do you actually read the bullshit as it spews out of your keyboard or do you just click Submit and hope it makes sense?

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  32. Psycho Milt (2,263 comments) says:

    Mea culpa – if I genuinely wanted to live up to the clarity and erudition of the typical right-wing Kiwiblog commenter I’d have written about “unics” who’ve been “spaded.”

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  33. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Why gripe about environmental policies that are going to seem quite mild in 20 years time?

    Stock tip: invest in lube futures.

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  34. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    So what we need is cheap migrant labour who will work for pittance and show us kiwis how to be grateful doing it eh Reid?…brilliant!

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  35. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    So I actually went to the Greens site for the first time ever. Once I’d gotten over my disappointment at the lack of pics of Russ and Metiria frolicking naked in the forest, I copied this from their charter, which appears to address DPF’s comments.

    The basis of ecological wisdom is that human beings are part of the natural world. This world is finite, therefore unlimited material growth is impossible. Ecological sustainability is paramount.

    Unlimited material growth is impossible. Therefore the key to social responsibility is the just distribution of social and natural resources, both locally and globally.

    Is anyone here so demented as to think that is incorrect?

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  36. Yoza (1,544 comments) says:

    Unlimited material growth is impossible. Therefore the key to social responsibility is the just distribution of social and natural resources, both locally and globally.

    “Is anyone here so demented as to think that is incorrect?”

    This is Kiwiblog, Tom. Surely you already know the answer to that question.

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  37. Monique Angel (252 comments) says:

    Can you check for your penises, you 20 something fan boys of Comrade Helen.
    Of course the Green Party website sounds a box of fluffy ducks. That’s how any cult sucks in new members. But their isolationist and economically destructive policies would ruin New Zealand and turn the next generation of boys into eunuchs.
    BTW real men don’t give a shit about sustainable growth. They get a good job, raise a family and don’t give a toss for so-called unlimited material growth.
    The world is a big place but because you live in North Korea New Zealand you don’t know any different.

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  38. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Therefore the key to social responsibility is the just distribution of social and natural resources, both locally and globally.

    @Tom,
    You’re not only stupid, but an unabashed communist too.

    Who is going to decide what is “just”? Your comrades have tried it many times before, only to create widespread misery and the biggest number of dead in history.

    The ideologies you support (communism, socialism) are obsolete, dead and buried. History has defeated them.

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  39. Yoza (1,544 comments) says:

    I usually get a laugh out of the lunacy Kiwiblog disgorges, once more it fails to disappoint.

    That the Earth is a closed system with finite resources is not a difficult proposition to support. Neither is the proposition that humanity, through its rapid expansion and injudicious exploitation of those resources, is pushing this finite system beyond the limits of what it can sustain.

    This, I think, is a succinct summary of the point Tom is making. And as Tom quite reasonably asks, “Is anyone here so demented as to think that is incorrect?”

    And I’m all like, “Please answer morons, please, please ,please, pleeeeeeeeze!”

    Then it’s like: Bing, Bing!

    Monique Angel 6:38 am:

    BTW real men don’t give a shit about sustainable growth.

    Manolo 7:12 am

    You’re not only stupid, but an unabashed communist too.

    Thank you Manolo and Monique, I enjoyed beginning my Sunday morning with a good laugh.

    (Oh, BTW, I gave you both thumbs up for admitting to being that demented.)

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  40. jcuk (585 comments) says:

    I can see the point of the Green’s position and support it BUT it is a problem the world has to work out how to support its population with zero growth …. one part solution is zero population growth to reduce the demand and another problem is the mindset of the CEO’s that growth is the target. It cannot be if humans are going to continue to live on our small planet. I don’t know how the Greens aim to accomplish it but I doubt if it is the right way and wouldn’t dream of voting for them.

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  41. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Cause and effect…evolve fast or die tryin.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/science/8962788/Climate-change-outpaces-evolution

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