What Hone was fighting against

July 27th, 2013 at 9:48 am by David Farrar

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This is what Hone broke the law to fight against. That terrible Government providing houses to low income families in Northland.

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39 Responses to “What Hone was fighting against”

  1. Keeping Stock (10,170 comments) says:

    Indeed DPF; big props to the He Korowai Trust for doing something for the people of Te Tai Tokerau whilst Harawira just talks about it, turns up to Parliament occasionally, and gets himself publicity by getting arrested.

    It’s interesting too that Shane Jones (Labour MP) and Niva Glavish (President of the Maori Party) are among the Trustees of the He Korowai Trust, but Harawira is nowhere to be seen. So much for the Mana Party actually doing anything of substance to help the people it purports to represent.

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  2. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    Hone Harawira is a thug from a family of thugs who as far as I can tell merely exists to foster resentment.

    Kaitaia and surrounding areas are seriously depressed economically and instead of doing anything positive like fostering job creation or helping not for profit entities like hundreds of other great Northlanders, he sits on his chuff fostering racial and class hatred.

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  3. flipper (3,832 comments) says:

    Paula has nailed Hone, and his silly matriarch, to Mana’s flag pole.

    As Keeping said:

    *** ” It’s interesting too that Shane Jones (Labour MP) and Niva Glavish (President of the Maori Party) are among the Trustees of the He Korowai Trust, but Harawira is nowhere to be seen. So much for the Mana Party ….” ***

    Good stuff!

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  4. burt (8,019 comments) says:

    Don’t worry people, by the time Hone gets his way he will be using all that extra space to park his speed boat and his new BMW in a shed built by the Korowai trust.

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  5. duggledog (1,431 comments) says:

    Yes I still feel like protesting. In a few years those houses in Kaitaia will be wrecked.

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  6. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Too bad Hone’s now got himself a criminal conviction isn’t it. That’s going to make those Speaker’s Tours a bit difficult.

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,170 comments) says:

    Whoops; that should of course be Naida Glavish

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  8. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    Too bad Hone’s now got himself a criminal conviction isn’t it. That’s going to make those Speaker’s Tours a bit difficult.

    I don’t think its the first reid.

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  9. homepaddock (434 comments) says:

    He was found guilty in court this week after trying to make a political point for the media. He’s also guilty of making a fuss rather than making a difference to people in his own backyard who really need help.

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  10. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    I don’t think its the first reid.

    Says a lot for those who give him their votes doesn’t it. Mind you even if he didn’t have a conviction it still says a lot. I heard some senior kaumatua say the other day that he is definitely a leader and it occurred to me that if all you have to do in Maoridom to become a “leader” is to preach lies and racist hatred and policies that will only ever happen in FantasyLand this doesn’t say a whole hell of a lot for the discernment amongst Maori voters does it.

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  11. Tom Jackson (2,491 comments) says:

    Former welfare queen Paula Bennett…

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  12. burt (8,019 comments) says:

    Reid

    His people are disillusioned by the status quo. It’s not serving them very well. Right or wrong, it seems his heart is in the right place but the sad thing is – he is just reinforcing the stereotypes that are perpetuating the status quo.

    He might be a leader, but he should lead smarter rather than louder.

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  13. Nookin (3,178 comments) says:

    We live in a very forgiving country. In some areas, convictions are seen as badges of honour. Convictions are also conveniently forgotten if there is a good story in it. Much emphasis was placed on the TV three media poll on the comparative credibility of Dotcom and the Prime Minister. TV three, of course, conveniently overlooked reminding its target audience that Dotcom has a series of convictions involving dishonesty – insider trading, computer fraud and handling stolen goods. They also overlooked reminding its audience of the fact that USA are seeking to extradite him on other charges involving dishonesty and that the portly gentlemen has a vested interest in queering the pitch for the government, the police and anyone else taking an interest in his allegedly nefarious activities. Snippets such as these are seen as a minor inconvenience to the barrow that is being pushed at the particular time and are best forgotten.

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  14. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @Tom Jackson – “Former welfare queen Paula Bennett…”

    Well.. at least the “former welfare queen”‘s government” is *doing something about it* – unlike the *drama queen* Hone Harawira.

    Actions speak louder than words. All Harawira has to offer is words.
    Words of hate.

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  15. duggledog (1,431 comments) says:

    So Tom Jackson you clearly don’t approve of a former DPB recipient who changed her life around and is now Minister of Social Welfare.

    I’d like to bet you approve of a former terrorist who became President of South Africa though

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  16. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    His people are disillusioned by the status quo. It’s not serving them very well.

    Yes I know that burt. However kowtowing to people by pretending they are where they are because they’ve been oppressed is not leadership, it’s pandering to the worst of human nature because it makes them think they are powerless to change their own circumstances and that someone else is their enemy. That is destructive in every which way because it eventually leads people into the position where they think the world owes them a living and all they to do is sit back and enjoy it.

    This is what Hone and his ilk teaches people who naturally enough are only too willing to listen because it’s the easy way out. After all, who wouldn’t want the world to be like that, if that is, they happen to be the poor victim in it and not one of the enemies? But as we know, the world is NOT like that and leaders who pretend it is are lying in precisely the same way that cult leaders lie when they explain to their followers that they must drink the kool-aid so they can catch the awaiting flying saucer.

    If Hone was a real leader what he would say is something along the lines of: look, we know we have been royally screwed, but that’s history. So we need to get over it and look to the future. Healthy people stand in the present looking forward, healthy people do not wallow around in the grief of the past. We will continue the Waitangi process and we will manage the funds we get in a totally open and transparent way such that every single iwi member knows exactly how much is in all the bank accounts and exactly how much everyone in the entire tribe gets down to the last cent and there will be severe punishment for anyone who betrays the trust and steals from the iwi by dishonesty or nepotism. We will put everything we have into educating our mokopuna so that our future generations will be lawyers, doctors, scientists and professional people of all kinds, even if their fathers and mothers were gang members and left school at 12. It will be a hard road, a long road, there will be much change required and much self-discipline needed and much attitudinal change. But we are Maori. We are an intelligent, powerful, disciplined and loving people. We can do it, and we will, and here are our first steps along this new road…

    If Hone said that instead of what he does say, he WOULD be a leader. But he doesn’t, so he’s not.

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  17. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Superbly said, Reid!

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  18. hj (6,714 comments) says:

    How about moving migrants to Kapiti. Lower paid people need to work in Auckland? Population increase is government policy.

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  19. burt (8,019 comments) says:

    Reid

    You have expanded my ‘lead smarter rather than louder’ very well. Cheers.

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  20. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Not that I am a fan of Harawira, but he wasn’t protesting agasint the re-use of these houses. He was protesting agasint the redevelopment in Glen Innes – the model whichg sees houses moved out and the former state housing area partly privatised.

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  21. KapitiCoast (114 comments) says:

    @ HJ

    Fuck off!….

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  22. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @Reid – “We will put everything we have into educating our mokopuna so that our future generations will be lawyers, doctors, scientists and professional people of all kinds, even if their fathers and mothers were gang members and left school at 12.”

    Yep. With that one sentence, Reid, you have done more for Maoridom than “hopeless Hone” has in all of his life.

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  23. Keeping Stock (10,170 comments) says:

    I won’t link-whore again, but I was so impressed by what the He Korowai Trust is doing that I went digging, and the story is really inspirational. You’ll find it easily enough.

    And the words of the Trust’s CEO Ricky Houghton really resonated; one of the stories I found about him said this:

    Houghton is passionate about moving Maori people from dependence to independence

    That’s exactly the attitude and aspiration that needs to be fostered, rather than Hone Harawira’s perpetual grievance mode which really only entrenches welfare dependency.

    And it also makes you question the country’s mindset when we pay someone like Harawira $140k-plus per year to fly up and down the country preaching his brand of hate, whilst the Ricky Houghton’s of this world have to go cap-in-hand to trusts and charities to get funding so that they can do practical things to make people’s lives a little better. It’s great to see a trust like He Korowai partnering with the Government’s social housing project to provide real solutions in one of the poorest communities in the country.

    Hone Harawira could take some lessons from Ricky Houghton, but they would probably be wasted given Harawira’s worldview.

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  24. scrubone (3,082 comments) says:

    Not that I am a fan of Harawira, but he wasn’t protesting agasint the re-use of these houses. He was protesting agasint the redevelopment in Glen Innes – the model whichg sees houses moved out and the former state housing area partly privatised.

    I agree that’s what he was protesting about.

    But does this program end up with fewer houses for the poor? My understanding is that the goal is the opposite – sell valuable land, and use the money to build more houses, not less. I’d rather have more state houses on cheaper land than fewer on expensive land.

    In fact, it appears that he was protesting to protect the status quo, pretending that helped the poor.

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  25. burt (8,019 comments) says:

    scrubone

    Agree, he certainly seems to be defending the status quo.

    If he’s done nothing else wrong…. He seems to have missed the bigger picture. Sure he’s making a stand for one or two families…. I’m sure those families see him as a leader, and rightfully so. Stand up Hone, take a bow for fighting a brave battle while helping your side to lose the war.

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  26. wat dabney (3,721 comments) says:

    Houghton is passionate about moving Maori people from dependence to independence

    This is what Hatfield was really protesting against: Maori who leave the reservation.

    Got to keep that dependency going, John.

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  27. itstricky (1,693 comments) says:

    Meh. As other posters have recently woken up to, this is just a cheap shot.

    He wasn’t protesting about helping people in Kaitaia, or building homes anywhere.

    Not that I disagree, or agree with him but he was distinctly protesting about shifting people out of the habitats that they had lived in since birth for what appears to just be a drive to capture prime real estate

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  28. OneTrack (2,806 comments) says:

    itstricky – things change. The country has to allocate scarce resources appropriately. One person living in a three bedroom state house on a large section is not a good use of resources. We need increase the housing density to make better use of public transport. I think this is all pretty much Green Party (and Mana Party) policy.

    Didn’t you get the memo?

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  29. Griff (6,989 comments) says:

    itstricky
    The bludgers tenants have captured a benefit.
    A sate house is to help give the needy a step up. Instead it has become an intergenerational entitlement to these Greedy lazy arrogant pigs people. They are tenants., it is not their property and they have no more entitlement to live in a government provided house than anyone else.

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  30. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Not that I disagree, or agree with him but he was distinctly protesting about shifting people out of the habitats that they had lived in since birth for what appears to just be a drive to capture prime real estate

    No, we, the taxpayer had already captured it, a long time ago, and it is part of the common wealth. It did not and does not belong to the people who we give it to on a cheap rent basis and they do not have any “right” to it whatsoever, simply and specifically because it’s not theirs, it’s ours. And if we, as in the elected govt, decide we can put the land to a better use, so what? That’s OUR decision, not theirs, because WE own it, they don’t.

    One notes that in all of this there has been no suggestion WE as in, the govt, has acted capriciously. In fact, no doubt WE, in OUR infinite compassion have re-housed those people in other cheap-rent places in the same locale, because no doubt they have familial considerations like schools their children attend that WE have taken into account when we decided WE would use OUR land for something that gives US a better return.

    Meh.

    P.S. You’re not going so well on the karma front are you itstricky? Wonder what it’s going to look like in a few hours.

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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  31. Longknives (4,678 comments) says:

    Hone made even more a fool of himself defending himself in that Court case. He was frequently pulled into line by the ‘eye rolling’ judge as he attempted to make his arrest all about those evil ‘Brutal, Racist Police’.
    His story chopped and changed almost as much as David Bains. Honestly- The guy has to be the thickest MP we have ever had.
    And as for pulling all those ‘Gangsta’ hand signals at the media outside of Court..what a bloody embarrassment!

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  32. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Hone made even more a fool of himself defending himself in that Court case.

    I’m surprised he didn’t say: “Your Honour, imagine what you would have turned out like if you had had a mum like mine.”

    I’m pretty sure he would have been thinking it.

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  33. Yoza (1,667 comments) says:

    First off, Hone was arrested because he was not a National Party MP supporting an establishment sanctioned protest, there is only one law in this land: Wealth and power must be protected from the consequences of the exercise of that wealth and power.

    The farmer’s protest against attempts to tax greenhouse gas emissions is/was part of a worldwide campaign to make the public pay for the damage caused to the environment by profiteering private interests.

    The people protesting at Glen Innes were antagonising establishment interests by being poor people living in sight of well heeled people in million dollar homes. Getting the public to pay for cleansing the area of those people who are at the sharp end of current economic dogma must have created a warm glow in the stomachs of those whom were also anticipating a rise in the values of their Glenn Innes property portfolios.

    Keeping Stock 9:54 am

    It’s interesting too that Shane Jones (Labour MP) and Niva Glavish (President of the Maori Party) are among the Trustees of the He Korowai Trust, but Harawira is nowhere to be seen.

    Labour and the Maori Party both struggle to maintain credibility among Maori. Labour for too long took the Maori seats for granted and the Maori Party drank from the poison chalice when they went into coalition with the National Party, I doubt either of those parties have any hope of ‘dethroning’ Harawira in Te Tai Tokerau.

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  34. Nostalgia-NZ (5,038 comments) says:

    Of course it is not ‘what’ Hone was fighting against, but rather ‘is’ fighting against. This is just another step along the trail for him. I’m interested to see how Ngati Whatua emerge from the ‘putting people out’ going on in GI. They, who also once were ‘put out.’

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  35. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    Good grief, using a fat old solo mum trougher as a source of fact…..I’m with Hone on this one

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  36. itstricky (1,693 comments) says:

    Yeah, whatever, it’s a cheap shot that has nothing to do with the original objection. It is esp. so coming from someone who used the system herself, in the first place.

    One notes that in all of this there has been no suggestion WE as in, the govt, has acted capriciously. In fact, no doubt WE, in OUR infinite compassion have re-housed those people in other cheap-rent places in the same

    I like how you use “One notes”. Makes you sound like The Queen. Makes it easier to come up with something like:

    WE can sit on our high horse and wax lyrical about what WE think is the right place for those bluggers, yeah those THEM, over there. WE don’t think those poor people should be anywhere near somewhere that might be considered even vaguely worthwhile. THEY don’t deserve to have a family home, in a stable area. WE think THEY are just a bunch of poor people who contribute nothing and deserve nothing.

    To summarise: WE are not amused because WE pay so much tax for something that someone else benefits from and WE don’t. Paying for people who WE don’t like, to hang around.

    Wah wah wah, same old same old.

    Griff pretty much summed it up with classy words like “greedy pigs” and “bludgers”

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  37. itstricky (1,693 comments) says:

    Hey, the whole better land use thing does sound like a good idea. Why don’t they build big apartment blocks, on site in GI. Then they can fit more tenants in and nobody would really have to move.

    What’s that? It’s right next to Remuera? Annnnddd it’s got sea views? Oh, you don’t say?

    Excuse me whilst I go off for a little vomit of cynicism.

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  38. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    To summarise: WE are not amused because WE pay so much tax for something that someone else benefits from and WE don’t. Paying for people who WE don’t like, to hang around.

    No that’s your view stricky and please don’t pretend it’s mine.

    Sadly (for you) you don’t seem to be able to wrap your head around the elementary view that these people didn’t buy their houses, they rented them, at subsidised rates, using money we probably gave them in the first place.

    In other words stricky, they owe us, we don’t owe them, when you add it all up.

    This doesn’t mean we, in our magnificent benevolence, come down hard on them as you imply. It means we from time to time exercise our ownership rights to redeploy capital. Of course we could have acted harshly in which case they’d be homeless but they’re not, are they. I see you skip over that, stricky. But then, you would, wouldn’t you.

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  39. itstricky (1,693 comments) says:

    Sadly (for you) you don’t seem to be able to wrap your head around the elementary view that these people didn’t buy their houses

    Of course they didn’t buy the houses. What do you take me for? This has absolutely nothing to do with how they ended up there in the first place and everything to do with why they are being shifted.

    You say “we, in our magnificent benevolence” etc. What part have you had to play in deciding what will happen with this land? Nothing at all. Squat. It’s a Government and a bunch of developers getting together and saying eeew, that looks like profitable land, why have poor people living there? And you’re acting as if you’ve single-handedly walked into their houses and looked them in the face and said “don’t worry about shifting, I’m being kind to you today”

    In other words stricky, they owe us, we don’t owe them, when you add it all up.

    Like most conservative whiners, your own sense of entitlement based upon your simple paying of taxes is elephant like. Your swelled head is getting bigger and bigger with every comment. Don’t forget it’s not just you who has sprung for this land, and this accomodation. The majority of the population pay taxes. WE are not amused because WE pay so much tax for something that someone else benefits from…etc etc pretty much sums it up.

    I usually find this kind of comment hillarious funny given this typical convservative whine is also usually accompanied with a whine about how beneficiaries are always looking for a hand out. e.g. whine whine I pay too much tax. whine whine beneficiaries always whining about getting a hand out. did I tell you I pay too much tax?

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