CTU “expert” doesn’t know international law

August 20th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The CTU have brought over Sharan Burrow, the General Secretary of the International Trade Union Congress, to try and whip up opposition to the very modest and minor changes being made by the Government.

They obviously wrote a press release for Burrow, and I can only assume Burrow didn’t read it. The release claims:

“The New Zealand Government has binding obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the ILO Constitution, the ILO Declaration of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms at Work; and ILO Convention No. 98 on Right to Organise and Collective Bargaining. All of these instruments say the same: New Zealand must uphold and promote the rights of workers to bargain collectively and to take strike action in support of these rights.”

I guess they are hoping no one actually reads those covenants and conventions. Take the ICESCR:

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights Article 8 (1) – “The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to ensure: ….(d) The right to strike, provided that it is exercised in conformity with the laws of the particular country…”

So the right to strike is clearly not unlimited.

All the law changes do is say the employers can not be forced into a multi-employer contract – they have to agree to it.

The other semi-significant change is merely returning the law to where it was when Labour introduced the ERA in 2000. This “states the duty of good faith does not require the parties to conclude a collective agreement. Instead, the Employment Relations Authority may declare whether collective bargaining has concluded.”

I suspect what the real opposition is about, is the law change that doesn’t force new employees to fund a union unless they opt out.

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15 Responses to “CTU “expert” doesn’t know international law”

  1. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    CTU “expert” doesn’t know international law

    That’s no biggie. The clowns in Wellington don’t even know the basics of common law.

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  2. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Oh, Ugly. Let it go, for your own sanity. Don’t make me get F E in here to give you another hammering.

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  3. Chinarugby (97 comments) says:

    ‘Modest and minor emplyment law changes’… not at all minor if you are a worker David, are you completely blinded by your ideology that you cannot comprehend the nature of the proposed anti worker nature of proposed changes?

    I suppose you view it all as a pro business or pro flexibility or even freedom of choice etc etc etc – Sure your mates here will soon enough celebrate on your behalf.

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  4. jakejakejake (143 comments) says:

    Why should he care if he isn’t a “worker”. If workers don’t like it maybe we can swap them with the Bangladesh government for some real workers who will work for what their given and not want they want (or try to take through blackmail and extortion).

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  5. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Oh, Ugly. Let it go, for your own sanity. Don’t make me get F E in here to give you another hammering.

    Do you liars really think that people don’t know how to read?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/marriage_day.html#comment-1189287

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  6. David Garrett (7,698 comments) says:

    The minute you see the term “worker” – as opposed to “employee” as used by everyone else – you know the writer is a militant unionist from the old school.

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  7. Kea (13,544 comments) says:

    Ugly, here is some reading for you:

    http://www.wheelers.co.nz/books/9780195585162-law-alive-the-new-zealand-legal-system-in-context/

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/research/guides/int_foreign/new-zealand/

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  8. Fost (84 comments) says:

    @chinarugby – as the vast majority of people who work for pay – whether waged or salaried – have made the choice NOT to be union members – it doesn’t affect them, these are minor/modest changes, or in mine and my fellow employees case – complete unaffected by them – other than maybe not having my wages docked before I can opt out of belonging to union I did not chose to join when I change jobs.

    Union officials, by nature, any law change that affects their business will be outraged. Unions, like candlemakers, wagon manufacturers and all other mostly obsolete professions should not use legislation or regulations to enforce membership – if it is a good service, people will belong even when not forced to. Legislation/regulation should protect employees from exploitation, that includes enforced membership and consequence of paying fees to an organisation you do not want to belong to – a lesser but still exploitative situation.

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  9. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    No doubt the person who cleans the shit off the CTU toilets at 1.00am will be delighted to know that the union dues have been so wisely invested on their behalf.

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  10. Chinarugby (97 comments) says:

    JakeJakeJake ……..congrats on being the first ideologue to post, well done. Your comments were just great – at least your openly honest with your delusions.

    David Garrett – your comments are funny – stupid – but funny.

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  11. OneTrack (3,347 comments) says:

    China – ah your comment came before Jake s

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  12. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Do you liars really think that people don’t know how to read?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/marriage_day.html#comment-1189287

    You post a link to you abusing someone when you are found to be wrong. Your point?

    I am thinking you are one of the people who subscribe to the “Zionism caused 9/11″ conspiracy theory fringe?

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  13. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Lying about what it means isn’t going to help you any, nickb.
    People can read it for themselves.

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  14. David Garrett (7,698 comments) says:

    China: I’ll play your game…During my working life – prior to going to uni and becoming a “class traitor – I have been a labourer, an oil rig worker of various types, a trades assistant (fancy name for a tradesman’s labourer), a cab driver, a truck driver, briefly…so I think I have some idea of the world of “the workers”

    What sort of worker are you, or have you been? My guess – and I have been known to be wildly wrong – is you are a 25 year old uni grad who has had a few holiday jobs….the kind of twerp the real workers laugh at because they haven’t got a fucking clue about their world…

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  15. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    the kind of twerp the real workers laugh at because they haven’t got a fucking clue

    Heh. So true. And they sit there thinking something isn’t quite right, wondering why they aren’t “embraced”, and they just can’t figure it out. They think that trying to empathise with the people shovelling shit is the same as being there at the coal face shovelling shit with them.

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