Did Cunliffe plagiarise Robertson?

August 26th, 2013 at 10:25 pm by David Farrar

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A reader sent this image in. The post doesn’t appear to still be there, but I assume was genuine.

Now compare it to the speech from Grant Robertson which is at this link.

Every word in the post on Facebook is identical to paragraphs in the speech from .

UPDATE: Is being explained away as a “technical glitch“. That’s some technical glitch to take someone else’s speech, edit it down, and post it to your own site.

UPDATE2: Another interesting issue from Cunliffe’s campaign speech as reported at TV3 on why he lives in Herne Bay, not New Lynn:

When we were approaching having a young family and my wife was a Queen Street environmental lawyer we moved in closer so she could breast feed the children. That’s the answer.

I don’t care too much where someone lives, but I do find the rationale interesting. It would be interesting to check when they moved to Herne Bay, and the ages of the children. I’ve had someone suggest there is a considerable gap between the two events – but have no first hand knowledge myself.

UPDATE3: Bryce Edwards has some tweets about the campaign launch. They include:

Toby Manhire ‏@toby_etc

Cunliffe warns media not to get ahead of themselves, immediately after delivering speech fit for a third consecutive term victory.

Tim Murphy ‏@tmurphyNZH

Why does ’s picture on the wall dominate Savage and all the Labour PMs so grandly?

Giovanni Tiso ‏@gtiso

Do you enjoy seeing the spark of hope die in the eyes of the young? Then vote for someone else. Glad that is settled.

Jordan McCluskey ‏@JordanMcCluskey

The Cat hasn’t got the cream yet, Cunners. Easy Cunners. Easy.

Dan Satherley / ROM ‏@radioovermoscow

Did Cunliffe win already?

Toby Manhire ‏@toby_etc

Crowd at David Cunliffe’s electorate office expected to stand on desks any moment. “Captain, my Captain”.

Tova O’Brien ‏@TovaOBrien

Did anyone tell Cunliffe this is his leadership bid not the win?

Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH

Cunliffe’s announcement so far is more like a victory speech than the launch of a bid.

James Macbeth Dann ‏@edmuzik

Cunliffe says he’s been “very humbled”, but I think scientists have proven that that is not medically possible

 

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24 Responses to “Did Cunliffe plagiarise Robertson?”

  1. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Robertson could hardly complain – after all Labour are well into “group think”

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  2. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (788 comments) says:

    Yes, the image is genuine. Curryleaf on TV3 late night news admitted that it was a “technical glitch”- his language for a cut & paste. He has apologised to Robertson who said “plagiarism is the best form of flattery”…well Curryleaf can’t even get his announcement right and this joker is already planning for a tax increase. God save NZ if the Labourers and the toxic Greens get anywhere near the treasury…..

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  3. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Are there any female candidates yet? It’d be a bit hypocritical to be talking about a manban and a quota of female electorate candidates one minute, and 100 percent male leadership candidates the next.

    Maybe Labour need a female co-leader like the Greens have? Mahuta or Fenton, perhaps?

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  4. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    I have to laugh at the professed care for the future of our grandchildren. Obviously some bright idea from some shiney arsed campaign advisor who thinks it will create a connection between Cunliffe and aged voters.

    The truth is that if Labour ever had their way, our grandchildren would all be saddled with a mountain of unmanageable debt.

    And as always the insane delusion that somehow the kind of big powerful intrusive government that he left lives for is somehow going to make everything “fair”.

    FFS, morons. Just utter morons.

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  5. dishy (224 comments) says:

    “Technical glitch” my arse. What a weasel.

    What hope is there when a dishonest, meaningless excuse is accepted as an explanation for cheating? Is this Cunliffe’s idea of a new generation of leadership?

    Does anybody else already miss Shearer’s harmless bumbling?

    Btw, I’m trying to post this on The Standard, but my technical skills are poor, so it may end up on another site.

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  6. emmess (1,371 comments) says:

    He sure deserves the name Silent T alright

    Never liked the guy especially after the standing on the Mana bus video with the fake bro accent but I could put down to something not many people were expected to see.

    but now after this

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-Time-for-a-new-beginning/tabid/370/articleID/310672/Default.aspx

    Great job Paddy Gower – showing the preening dickhead’s true colours tonight

    He gets someone to give him a bunch of red roses. and says ‘Red – the international colour of soooooocialism’
    Yes, he really said that in 2013.
    Channeling Arthur Scargill – that’s really going to win him the election next year.

    I was going for Grant Robertson because I thought a gay man as leader would make Labour totally unelectable, but now I am not so sure who would do worse.

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  7. tvb (4,209 comments) says:

    I assume she no longer breastfeeds her children so they can now sell up and return to New Lynn. Or will the excuse now be the children are settled in their schools and it would be disruptive to move them. Using your children as an excuse for living in Herne Bay is so feeble this guy will be easy meat fro John Key.

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  8. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    Gawd, just watched the video referenced by emmes above.

    Now I hardly ever see any mainstream TV at all. so I’m not familiar with how Cunliffe usually behaves, but if that video is an honest representation of who David Cunliffe is then I am far from impressed.

    Loud, false, insincere, posturing, forced humour. Just so unnatural and contrived.

    What a pompous self important jerkoff Cunliffe really is, and even though I know political talent is in very short supply in NZ, it is still amazing to me that such a transparently false personality can muster enough support to be the leader of the main opposition party. What on earth makes anyone believe that having this smarmy narcissistic oaf in our parliament will bring us any benefit? Good grief.

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  9. Pete George (22,853 comments) says:

    I was disappointed by Cunliffe’s media conference and leadership launch. I thought he should be the frontrunner but that was not a good display. Too contrived, too insincere, too over the top and too lacking in real substance.

    The same on the Native Affairs debate last night. Robertson has his own problems – too much same old “the message is fine, it just has to be delivered better”, but he seems much more genuine. A genuine polihead from Wellington, but more sincere than the other two.

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  10. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    Using your children as an excuse for living in Herne Bay is so feeble this guy will be easy meat fro John Key.

    Except that when John Key’s residence is bought up it’s “all good” and he’s a “self made man”, “good on him” etc.

    Do you really think that Labour live by some mythical fantasy world were everyone is an outright commie and they beat each up other up to see who can live in the most squaller like the common man?

    Just shows that DPF is scared, really, has to start out with the petty put downs and rumor and innuendo. c.f. Cunliffe *is* the best man for the job.

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  11. Matthew Hooton (124 comments) says:

    Re the claim that he moved to Herne Bay so his wife could breastfeed, this is almost certainly a lie.
    According to Bill Ralston, the Cunliffes have lived in Herne Bay for 20 years.
    According to Rob Hosking, the children arrived around 10 years ago.
    So it seems more likely they moved to Herne Bay because it is a very nice place to live and they could afford it, which is all fair enough.
    So why make up stories about breastfeeding? Weird.

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  12. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    Cunnliffe, Robertson and Jones are not out to impress national voters but rather to waken those supporters that didn’t vote last time and to take back votes lost to the Greens. The candidates for leader start with a reasonable platform, be interesting to see what they do with it individually. Perhaps one of Cunliffe’s advisors should wake him up to the fact that he probably smiles to much, looks like over-selling, even smugness. I agree with PG, Robertson comes across and more genuine, as well as bright. The Labour party have the opportunity for voter attention over the next little while, if they manage not to implode in some way it will be notable – I guess that is up to competing factions, the enemy within, if a leader emerges competently through that process some of those lost and uninterested voters could return.

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  13. radvad (666 comments) says:

    Cunners also claimed that when Labour people make some progress in life they do not pull up the ladder for those below, the implication being that somehow John Key has done that. That is another big fat lie. One of the first things a Labour govt would do is deny poorer people the opportunity to choose where their children go to school. Cunners is just another lying lefty scumbag.

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  14. Viking2 (11,144 comments) says:

    Cunnliffe, Robertson and Jones

    Bloody doggy Law Firm that one.

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  15. mikemikemikemike (312 comments) says:

    1) Isn’t John Key the MP for Kumeu?

    2) Does anyone give two shits flying fuck where John or David lives?

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  16. James Stephenson (2,036 comments) says:

    @m^4

    1) Yes, but he was parachuted into a safe seat when he already lived somewhere else.

    2) No, but it’s funny watching a lefty squirming trying to avoid the “rich prick” label.

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  17. Tinshed (81 comments) says:

    When Cunliffe explained that the reason for living in Herne Bay was because his wife wanted to be close to work so she could breastfeed her young children, I thought two things: 1) it was shifting the issue to his wife (“Nothing to do with me mate, just trying keep the missus happy”), and secondly it probably wasn’t true anyway. Matthew Hooton’s comment upthread confirms my suspicions. Of course it doesn’t matter where he lives, but the manner in which he presents this issue gives me cause to question his character.

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  18. WineOh (553 comments) says:

    Cunliffe last night on National Radio was all “charm” … some of my favourites:

    “There have been mistakes made” – note specific absence of the words ‘I’ or ‘me’ he is still not taking responsibility for his destabilisation of the party.

    “I have listened.” – listened to whom though, his political strategists or genuinely listened to the caucus and party members?

    “I am a changed man” – more like ‘I have realised that if I can stab someone in the back, the same can happen to me’

    “I will fully support whomever wins” – Right, just like he supported who won the last time around.

    There is just something about this guy that makes my skin crawl, and I can’t quite put my finger on it.

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  19. jasonh (19 comments) says:

    So its Cunliffe that’s the biggest threat judging by the “column inches” being devoted to slagging him off. The insults of ones foes are high praise .

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  20. Raphael (73 comments) says:

    Obviously Cuncliffe is angling for the La Leche League vote.

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  21. JamesBlake (54 comments) says:

    Does anyone actually believe that he would deliberately plagerise Robertson in this modern era and think he could get away with it? It is obviously a technical glitch, some staffer copy and pasting the wrong thing. Where he lives? Really guys if this is all you have to go against him with and you are making such a big deal of it, it really shows how scared of this guy you are. “oh its not about where he lives but the way he tried to explain it away”. Bollox, if it wasn’t about where he lived there would never have been an explination in the first place. Of course the all mighty Matty Hoot said he’s a liar so he must be.

    The good thing is people with an ounce of brains see the stupidity and desperation of these types of attacks and it gives DC more coverage so keep it up!!!!

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  22. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Seeing as Hooton is supporting Robertson, hopefully Cunliffe will be the new leader. Clearly, he is the person the Tories would least like to win.

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  23. SW (225 comments) says:

    Re the accusation that Cunliffe has lied, this is from an interview with the Listner interview in 2008:

    “He won Titirangi in the 1999 election, retaining it under its new guise of New Lynn in 2002 and 2005, even though he had moved to a well-to-do inner suburb. He and Price have two sons, William and Cameron, and he says the shift eased matters – it was “not manageable for her to do the commute and her duties as a mum”.

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  24. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Does anyone actually believe that he would deliberately plagerise Robertson in this modern era and think he could get away with it?

    As the video of his leadership acceptance announcement shows, Cunliffe does not live in this modern era – he lives in his own messianic era.

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