Jones standing also

August 25th, 2013 at 7:28 pm by David Farrar

Duncan Garner has tweeted that will also stand for the Labour Party leadership. Robertson declared today and inevitable Cunliffe will declare, so it looks to be a three horse race.

I suspect Jones is not in it to win, but to gain enough support that the other candidates need his support to win, and to give him maybe Deputy or Finance.

Certainly livens the race up, and will be good to have a more economically moderate candidate in the mix.

Sonny Tau has put out a personal statement in support of Shane Jones:

With the contest now underway, many Māori have thrown their support behind Shane Jones, proud son of Ngāpuhi, who has what it takes to lead Labour, and is the sharpest knife in party’s drawer.

Shane has a formidable intellect, great political instincts and is a brilliant orator in both Te Reo Māori and English. No one can touch Shane – not even John Key or any other politician – when he is in full-flight addressing Parliament.

Shane brings critical constituencies that Labour needs if it is to be in a position to form a Government.

He brings the Māori vote, which Labour knows it can no longer take for granted. Listening to Māori political pundits over the past few days, all have said it is imperative for Māoridom that Shane either leads Labour or is appointed deputy.

No other Labour MP has the understanding, authority or mana to drive through the Māori agenda as Shane can.

Another important constituency he brings is the business world. Shane has chaired a major fishing company and has acquired business acumen within the corporate world. There are precious few within Labour ranks who have this string to their bow. …

I urge Māori to be in touch with their Labour associates over the following days, to express their support for Shane Jones. I will be doing this myself.

That reinforces my belief that Shane is really standing for Deputy.

If Cunliffe beats Robertson, he could well make Jones Deputy. Where does that leave Grant? He can’t be Finance Spokesperson.

If Grant wins, he needs someone from Auckland as his Deputy. Either Cunliffe or possibly Jacinda. Does Jones get Finance?

The loser in all this may be David Parker. Hard to see him holding Finance regardless of who wins.

 

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42 Responses to “Jones standing also”

  1. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    a cunning onanist, and a double dipper. a tripple dipper.

    Perfect for Labour.

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  2. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    the Tugmiester – a human being at least compared with the other two . Robertson hasn’t even mastered lying to the New Zealand public yet, (I had no idea David was going to resign!!!!!!!) . How the hell can you lead the labour party without being an ace bullshit artist?

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  3. SHG (320 comments) says:

    No List MP is a serious contender for leadership. If you can’t even win an electorate, how can you expect to carry the country?

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  4. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Jones. Isn’t he the guy who lives by the maxim “and for everything else there’s MasterCard”?

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  5. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    @SHG,

    He’ll pull through

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  6. SHG (320 comments) says:

    I liked Danyl’s description of Jones at Dimpost:

    The guy who never won a seat, who stood down after charging pornographic movies to the taxpayer, introduced laws regulating shower pressure in the middle of the 2008 election campaign when Labour struggled with the ‘nanny state’ perception, who stood down again when he was investigated for immigration fraud and now only ever speaks out to attack Labour’s largest coalition partner.

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  7. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    What a wanker.

    Get it?

    But seriously, it shows how low the bar is for qualifications required to be an MP in this country.

    Are we seriously in a situation where the Leader of the Opposition could be a guy that literally whacked off on the taxpayer’s dime?

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  8. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    wapwapwapwapwapwap.

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  9. Redbaiter (6,475 comments) says:

    “Are we seriously in a situation where the Leader of the Opposition could be a guy that literally whacked off on the taxpayer’s dime?”

    Apparently so.

    Its all relative didn’t you know Nick?

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  10. SHG (320 comments) says:

    Jones’s greatest failing is simple laziness. Any biography of the man can invariably be boiled down to “intelligent, got lots of stuff handed to him on a plate because he was a bright Maori boy with lots of potential, and he’s done absolutely nothing with it”.

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  11. MD (60 comments) says:

    @nickb We’re seriously in the situation that he is far and away the best candidate Labour’s got. Totally agree with what you say, but still he’d be far better than either of the others.

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  12. Fisiani (851 comments) says:

    Who has the best chance of beating National. Jones can and has laughed off his past. He could really compete . Imagine the smart play from Cunliffe. Wait till whoever loses in 2014 and then take over for 2014-17 and compete against a new National leader aiming for a fourth term. Jones v Robertson would be interesting.

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  13. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Jones can’t beat Robertson. He knows that. But he can deliver second preferences.

    Mike Williams claimed today that the vote becomes a preferential vote if more than two candidates stand. And Mike Wlliams had come out in support of Cunliffe.

    He also said it would be good for the party if Jones threw his hat in the ring.

    I sense a stitch up in favour of Cunliffe in the works. Perhaps the second preferences are the cards that beat the impact of Little’s union support? Perhaps they will shift one or two first choices away from Robertson in caucus? Possibly also deliver a couple of additional caucus second preferences to Cunliffe? Help deliver more Maori support to Cunliffe also?

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  14. Barnsley Bill (929 comments) says:

    You have to feel sorry for Cunliffe, he loses both ways. Gets the leadership and the Clark trained Robertson will ratfuck him from within in just the same way he did Shearer. Loses and will never get another shot.

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  15. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    So a three horse race.
    One that is a ****, one that likes **** and one that wishes he had a ****.
    Awesome :-)

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  16. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    ^^ Yeah. Lets not forget that Robertson was happy for Shearer to stay and lead them to another defeat just so he could get the leadership post-election.

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  17. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Predictable that Jones would make a move. Cuncliffe an easy winner with the contest for deputy giving an indication of the ‘grass roots’ view of the direction of Labour. All worthy candidates who have had their profiles increased because of long term speculation about the leadership of Shearer. Robertson is clearly a hard worker, though the appeal of a Cunliffe – Jones duo will broaden the ‘church’.

    I was critical about the ‘delayed’ process of appointing a new leader over a period of weeks rather than days, however, with various potentials confirming either that they will or will not run for leader giving an almost American presidential or senator ‘air’ about the process that breaks the monotony of the past.

    It’s dominating political interest at the moment even if accidentally.

    Will be interesting if Cunliffe avoids repeating the Shearer mistake of being seen to be in bed with Russell.

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  18. Chuck Bird (4,403 comments) says:

    I have email Robertson and asked him if the comment made by Fisiani regarding Robertson objecting NZ Blood Services not accepting blood for active homosexuals is true. I will be interested in his reply.

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  19. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Shane has a formidable intellect, great political instincts and is a brilliant orator

    He may have intellect, but i question his political instincts, there’s more than a hint of opportunism right now.

    And from what I’ve hard of him lately I don’t care much for his oratory. It might impress some audiences but it sounds like he’s got a pumped up paramu in his mouth.

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  20. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Come now N-NZ, you were adamant this was not going to happen. Must have come as a huge shock to you. Cunliffe was toast forever according to you. Now he is suddenly an “easy winner”?

    Jones’ move will deliver the leadership to Cunliffe while preventing a stitch up with Little that sidelines him. Certainly showing that he’s “smarter than the average bear”

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  21. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    @PG,

    He is very bombastic. (And not in the Shaggy sense.)

    Last time he was on The Vote I thought he was trying to channel Parekura Horomia when he spoke

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  22. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Your timing was 8 months out bhudson, hardly a minor detail.

    The only ‘shock’ could possibly have been that you wouldn’t have tried to resurrect a failed prediction. Apart from that, good work.

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  23. smttc (638 comments) says:

    Shane Jones is, always has been and always will be a pompous git. NZ will certainly never vote for him. Maori are fooling themselves is they think otherwise.

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  24. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    6 months N-NZ. But then that is not the only fact you seem incapable of getting right.

    But your point at the time, which I am reminding you of now, is that you claimed Cunliffe was toast for all time. And clearly he is not.

    Not that your being wrong surprises me. It merely reinforces my expectation of you.

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  25. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Still hurting over the JR that couldn’t happen bhudson?
    How unfortunate for you.

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  26. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Okay bhudson you were only 6 months out on your prediction, apart from that you would have been on the money.

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  27. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    @N-NZ,

    I read Nookin’s comment at 18:25 yesterday and actually felt a little sympathy for you.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/pora_goes_to_the_privy_council.html#comment-1191669

    Especially this part:

    Collins is not denying Bain’s right to apply for judicial review, nor has the court indicated that it will review the decision — or even that it is reviewable. We have not yet arrived at the stage where the merits are argued.

    Only a little, mind you. But if you keep on trying one day you are bound to get something right.

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  28. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    apart from that you would have been on the money.

    I most certainly was on the money that you incorrectly proclaimed Cunliffe to be toast for all time N-NZ.

    But then I am accustomed to you getting things wrong. At least you get them wrong with forthright conviction.

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  29. KevinH (1,128 comments) says:

    Due to the late hour I struggle to find the appropriate Latin phrase to describe Jones declaration except to say that the equivalent English expression would be bull. It may add dimension to an otherwise two horse race, as well as some humour, however the outcome is almost predictably fait accompli with Cunliffe as leader and Robertson as deputy.

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  30. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Don’t flatter yourself about being wrong by only 6 months bhudson, well not too much.
    As I’ve said Cunliffe to win the leadership in September rather than on your mistaken prediction of 6 or 7 months ago.

    I’m glad you’re following the JR that you said couldn’t happen.

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  31. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    “No other Labour MP has the understanding, authority or mana to drive through the Māori agenda as Shane can.”

    Just what we need someone driving through the Maori agenda. Pity he can’t embrace the other parts of his heritage and drive through policies that benefit all New Zealanders.

    “Jones is Māori, of Te Aupōuri and Ngai Takoto descent, as well as having Croatian, Welsh and English ancestry”
    Source the oracle wikipedia.

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  32. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    @N-NZ,

    So, just to be clear, you are now predicting the person who you claimed had done his leadership chances for all time will win the leadership battle now.

    If there is a JR, you can be sure I’ll follow it. But right now I’ll trust Nookin’ as a more practiced lawyer than you and go with his statement that it has not yet been established if a JR can be undertaken, let alone whether it will be.

    I see out are having comprehension struggles this evening. Nice to know there are at least some constants we can rely upon.

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  33. campit (438 comments) says:

    Shane Jones is incredibly talented, but also notoriously lazy and sloppy. He has the potential to make a significant contribution to NZ Politics, and may get that opportunity to do so again as a frontbencher for Labour. But to succeed, he is going to have to make sure there is never a repeat of a situation like this.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/the_jones_and_liu_report.html

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  34. alex (298 comments) says:

    Shane Jones is most certainly not the leader that can deliver Maoridom to Labour. He can’t even win a Maori electorate. Jones is a complete and utter liability, and will piss all over any chance of a coalition with the Greens.

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  35. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    alex,

    For some of us that makes him an inspired choice.

    Except of course for reality – including the reality that the Greens have got nowhere else to go. Jones or no Jones, they’re not going to vote to bring a Left govt down.

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  36. kiwi in america (2,335 comments) says:

    Who ever wins the union 20% wins this race – the entry of Jones into the race makes that even more certain because no one candidate can now win a plurality (50%+1) of the caucus and party votes. The impact of the 20% block union vote (lets face it the unions will ignore Moira Coatsworth’s plea to not block vote) could more easily wipe out even a decisive margin of victory in the party and the caucus vote.

    The revelation that with more than 2 candidates are standing that the voting is now preferential also changes the shape of the race as the deciding vote on the party and caucus side will be what happens with the preferences. Jones likely will be the lowest polling candidate of the 3 (unless he gets the unions block – unlikely IMO as he has been too lazy to build links there). Jones as a Shearer backer was a quiet member of the ABC block so he will urge his 2nd preferences to go to Robertson. Robertson will urge his 2nd preferences to Jones and Cunliffe will urge to Jones as well. Jones’ votes will be distributed first and his 2nds will boost Robertson. If Robertson polls 2nd in the party vote then his 2nds will not benefit Cunliffe thus narrowing the likely margin of Cunliffe’s party vote victory. If Jones was serious about this and had a track record of working his butt off (as opposed to another part of his anantony) and got Maori members in the party to vote for him as a block, he could make a real impact. Maori are notoriously hard to get out to vote – Jones will rely on iwi leaders like Sonny Tau to do the heavy lifting for him as has been the case throughout his career.

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  37. tvb (3,938 comments) says:

    If they could hold their noses long enough they should give it to Cunliffe. National would always give the Leadership to the person who is best placed to win elections. Labour is more complicated. Long may that remain so. Robertson is better placed to unite the party. Cunliffe will not unite the party though at the end of the day they would fall into line for a while.

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  38. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    He must be the only one in the party that isn’t either a rug muncher or faggit.

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  39. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    That means he is like you Ian McK.
    wapwapwapwapwap

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  40. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Giff: Obviously you are another Labour loser!

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  41. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    jones is the only guy with a bit of character.

    The rest are hysterical whining dullards.

    The fact he got caught with a bit of porn is a plus for me ha ha.

    Shows he is human too. Unlike helen clark who went to the ends of the world to hide her sexuality.

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  42. Paulus (2,295 comments) says:

    Why would Cuniffe stand ? – he has not declared yet. I hope he considers very carefully.

    He would be on a hiding to nothing as the chances of winning in 2014 are controlled by Greenpeace, not Labour.

    If he wins Robertson will try and stab him in the back whatever, as the rainbow faction are all behind Robertson, and will not change until they get everything they want.

    If Cunliffe loses he will be chopped liver, and let the Unionist takeover Labour completely.

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