Labour VP calls Goff out

August 10th, 2013 at 6:30 am by David Farrar

Andrea Vance at Stuff reports:

Labour MP is under fire for a “misogynistic” barb directed at Attorney-General Chris Finlayson.

During a parliamentary debate on new spying laws yesterday, the pair traded insults about election defeats.

Goff mocked Finlayson for being “beaten on three occasions, each time by a woman”.

“I’ve won 11 times and I’ve lost once, but the member in the chair [Finlayson] has lost three times,” he said.

“You would think that would be a humbling experience, but the arrogance of the minister shows no sign at all that he’s learnt from being beaten on three occasion, each time by a woman member of Parliament.”

A pretty silly thing to say. Goff obviously feels that losing to a woman MP is obviously more humbling that losing to a male MP – otherwise you wouldn’t mention the gender at all.

The insult created a social media stir, with tweeters branding Goff misogynistic.

Megan Hands asked: “Why does @phil_goff have such 1950s views?”

Shaun Willis tweeted: “Neanderthal man is very much alive within the Labour party.”

tweeted that the Mt Roskill MP’s remarks were “bad form”.

“Its that kind of the Labour Party doenst [sic] need,” she said.

Now it should be disclosed that all three commenters have political connections. Megan and Shaun are Young Nats and Kate is in Labour. What is even more newsworthy is that Kate was the Womens Vice President of the Labour Party for six years – so having her call Goff out in public as making sexist comments is remarkable.

 Goff said the storm was “utter crap” and he was only being accurate.

“It was just a statement of fact. I could have said ‘beaten by a Labour MP on three occasions’. I didn’t really think about it,” he said.

“Nobody in the House took offence at it, least of all my female colleagues. So this is a beat-up … I think it’s drawing a long bow.

“I’ve been a member of Parliament for 30 years and I’ve never been accused of being a misogynist.”

Well you have now, by your party’s own former Womens VP.

And the reality is that Goff didn’t say Labour MP. He said a woman VP, and there was no need to sa the gender unless you thought it was worse to lose to a “girl”. Think of it like this. If Finlayson had lost to a Maori MP, would Goff be saying Finlayson should be more humble because he lost to a Maori MP? Of course not.

 

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31 Responses to “Labour VP calls Goff out”

  1. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    A silly comment from Goff, he was sounding quite grumpy in Parliament this week.

    But what he said was quite mild compared to some of his caucus colleagues. A bit of sexism gets a heap of attention, while tirades of vile attacks pass without comment.

    I thought this from Clayton Cosgrove was politics at it’s nastiest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P4zrGm7ktz8

    Is it just because sexism gets more attention? Or was it a surprise coming from Goff when it was seen as normal from Cosgrove?

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  2. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    More PC crap. Nothing to see here. Move on.

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  3. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    P.G., you’re right about Cosgrove’s vileness, but wrong on Dunne: he was happy with 5, not 30, pieces of silver.

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  4. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    To the ducking stool with him!

    Seriously, this constitutes misogyny these days? Give me a break.

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  5. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    FFS. what Goff said was factually correct.
    What Shane Jones said is quite correct, we are bloody sick of geldings of both parties and their stable mates of the other gender telling us normal male and female inhabitants of this country what we should do with our lives.

    It amazes me that the New National Socialists are now claiming the qqueer side of politics from Labour just like they have moved into all the other Labour area’s.

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  6. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    I am with the majority (here) on this one…that’s REALLY an important piece of political news? Vance is showing her News of the World pedigree…and shame on you DPF for thinking this piece of froth is worthy of spot on your fine creation…

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  7. UpandComer (536 comments) says:

    Fuck Phil Goff and Labour. They claim pretentious fucking moral high ground on anything and everything at every turn. He obviously meant it as an insult, and it is obviously sexist. Again, the test is what would Labour and labour media lapdogs do if John Key or Bill English or anyone in National said it. The answer = monumental shitstorm. So fuck Phil Goff, the man is a sexist loser. Chris Finlayson destroys Ho Hum Goff in intellect and capability. I hope the media runs this for a week about how sexist the pricks are. Because despite all the pretentious crap about man bans and gay days and all the rest of it, Labour are as bad as, or worse then, anyone else in some of their views, as evidenced by Ho Hum Goff.

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  8. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    But this is typical of the Left. Holier than thou, preaching to the rest of us about what we can think and say and even eat but riddled with this nastiness. I am amazed at Phil Goff saying this. It’s inexcusable and shows him in a very poor light indeed.

    And it is not trivial. The reason this is important is that we get a glimpse into the unsavoury characters of a party who see themselves as the next government

    No wonder some of the Labour women want a man ban when even nice Phil harbours such repellent ideas.

    Great to see Labour showing their true colours – cynical power-seeking hypocrites.

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  9. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    I think it’s great. The more the idiots look like a bunch of geldings the less voters will go for them. Goff is one of their most effective members. The last time he hit the news, over the Defence spying on the journalist’s comms in AfPak, he was devastating, displaying articulate confidence galore. Therefore he had to be gelded at the earliest opportunity, lest he embarrass his less-able colleagues (i.e. nearly all of them except Cunliffe, who’s not allowed to say anything at all).

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  10. Simon (721 comments) says:

    “had lost to a Maori MP”

    That would depend if the Maori MP was there because of race or merit.

    It is possible that Goff is also talking about the woman concerned in that context. There were better male canidates but a woman was selected, for no other reason than her sex, and then Finlayson went up against this woman. This is quite possible

    See the co leader of the Green party. It would quite a fair comment if you lost to her to say well you have just lost to a (token) woman.

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  11. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    Ah, I agree that it is a bit of a slip of the brain on Goff’s part, and I did laugh at the media beat up bit he came up with, irony much? But a bit of perspective here, could you imagine the media shit storm that would ensue if this had been said by Stephen Joyce or Tony Ryall?

    As for Goff, well, he couldn’t hold on to a job that was given to him by a woman who held it for years!

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  12. kowtow (8,449 comments) says:

    Misogyny,the new “racism”.

    That horrid woman in Oz Juliar Gizzard tried that card on Abbott.

    Misogyny? Who cares?

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  13. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    What? A soon to be married woman flirts with a married man to gain political information and now decides to take the moral high ground on behalf of all woman? No thanks Andrea!

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  14. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    This is the man ban backlash – Goff is an older white heterosexual male occupying a safe electorate seat – prime target for the man ban. Some reaction from the sisterhood was almost guaranteed. You can’t speak the truth in modern Labour if it maligns a protected or favoured group.

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  15. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    KIA: Well said…particularly the last sentence…For an older chap like me it really is quite frightening how discussion on so many – in fact damn near all – issues is now so restricted…Sleepless this am I listened to kids’ story time on Nat Rad…there was a New Zild version of that great story “the Emperor’s new clothes”…It seems we have come close to that point, not just in politics but wider society…especially where anything Maori is concerned. If you don’t subscribe to the view that the Maori were the greatest sea voyagers since the Phoenicians; that they lived in total harmony with the environment; that Maori culture is almost totally admirable, and not a brutish one based on never ending violence and cannabilism…then you are a racist and a bigot, and almost beneath contempt. Certainly your views are worthless, and no debate is necessary or even permitted.

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  16. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Being condescending towards women isn’t being misogynistic.

    Still, a stupid Goff gaffe.

    This is the man ban backlash

    A stretch at best.

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  17. Nostalgia-NZ (5,198 comments) says:

    ‘You were beaten 3 times by 3 persons whose gender I’m forbidden to reveal. I deny in advance being the author of any ‘leaks’ that might follow on the matter. You got done old chap, whoops, I mean dear colleague whose gender shall also remain secret.’

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  18. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    If Labour had more Goffs and fewer Suttons they wouldn’t be polling so low.

    It’s people like Sutton that have destroyed the Labour party’s roots in the working class and replaced them with a bunch of boring aspects of identity politics… gender etc.

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  19. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Some more Labourites calling Goff out, At The Standard: What a dick

    A cranky look for Goff but hardly a big story.

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  20. tvb (4,418 comments) says:

    It was also a sly reference to Finlayson’s sexuality. The implications were clear. You must be pretty useless as a candidate if you lose to women.

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  21. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Goofy is a bitter and silly little sod.
    Why he was kicked out in favour of DumDumerr Shearer is beyond me.
    But even with Goofy leading I doubt that Labour would be any better off as the infighting continues

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  22. Nostalgia-NZ (5,198 comments) says:

    ‘It’s people like Sutton that have destroyed the Labour party’s roots in the working class and replaced them with a bunch of boring aspects of identity politics… gender etc.’

    Couldn’t agree more, Louisa Wall coming from one of the most financially deprived parts of the Country riding a horse for ‘gay’ marriage while oblivious to the poverty around her because she ‘wants’ to marry her partner.

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  23. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    Speaking as a living relic of the ‘Swinging Sixties”, a time when I was living in London and was immersed in the whole new ground breaking social frontier that emerged then – (those who were fortunate enough to have been around then will know what i mean) – I find the current pretentious and slavish obeisance to Political Correctness slightly nauseous, and in most instances quite baffling!

    Who decides what is PC? Is it some spotty, pasty-faced, pseudo intellectual lurking in the darker recesses of some University or other – dreaming up personal list or regime of “likes” and “not-likes”? Because that’s about the value and weight i place on the pronouncements of the so-called PC brigade.

    I am not PC – as they call it. I call a spade a “bl–dy shovel” when and where appropriate. And yet! And yet!

    I have no horned brow. I do not beat my nearest and dearest, I pay my way. I do not heap scorn on people with different attitudes or lifestyles than my own – (Except the PC rabble that is!!). If you passed me in the street or on the motorway, you would not flinch back in horror!

    PC-ism is pure affectation by those too immature to make personal judgements and to live an individual life. Its a sign of the herd, the knitters at the foot of the guillotine, the ‘me-too’ ‘me-too’ brigade. And if they don’t like my approach to life they know what they can do!

    Rant over!!

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  24. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Yawn. PG is trumpeting is electoral success c/w Finlayson. Pause for a moment and consider that Finlayson’s ‘defeats’ were when he was a candidate for safe Labour seats. PG actually lost his ‘safe’ seat to Gilbert Miles (of all people) in 1990.

    And pause a wee bit longer and consider their respective achievements outside of Parliament. Has PG ever had a career outside of politics or even a real job? Even more damning is to consider how their peers regard them for their parliamentary effectiveness. Jonathan Hunt thought PG was a ditherer as a minister who couldnt make decisions.

    The only thing PG can claim is longevity in Parliament. Nothing to crow about

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  25. Nostradamus (3,324 comments) says:

    *Yawn*

    Lefties running around claiming to be offended on behalf of a collective group of people with a defined characteristic (in this case gender). Nothing new, and nothing that’s particularly interesting.

    Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, others are discussing real first-world problems.

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  26. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, others are discussing real first-world problems.

    eg is there a G**?

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  27. tvb (4,418 comments) says:

    Watching Goff lie his way out of this does make it a news story. Goff often gets caught out on what he says and then he tells lies to try and get off the hook.

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  28. Huevon (222 comments) says:

    I’m ok with this. Labour is sticking to its principles. Goff uttered crimethink and is being punished accordingly.

    If you are like me and you value fundamental liberties like freedom of speech and association, you know where Labour stands. Democracy is functioning as it should.

    What would you prefer? Labour pretending that they arent a bunch of militant secularist liberal totalitarians?

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  29. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    A telling revellation exposed in this thread is that a sycophantic, socialist with zero creds as one who survived or made progress in the real world, survives almost uninterupted in the legislature ( the one hiccup when nonenty Gilbert Myles caused a three year hiatus) yet warts and all, varied background in successful endeavor in that real world, Garrett, gets expelled for a stupid almost prank like act in his formative years.

    The stupid socialists chase a moonbeam of diversity through the “man ban”.

    Hang around David, you still inspire as to the achievable from the moras of bland inanity.

    Phil Goff is still searching for anything of note for his epitaph.

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  30. Fentex (973 comments) says:

    what Goff said was factually correct.

    Which is not disputed. However choosing to say it is revealing of his opinions – that he thinks it’s a point worth making, evident from his having made it, means he thinks there’s something relevant about the gender of people one loses too.

    And his denial that he was only being factually correct and didn’t think about it is only more damning – he admits to thoughtlessly pointing out when one loses to women. It’s ingrained, it’s part of who he is.

    It ain’t surprising or uncommon, lots of people think genders matter. How one reacts to that, well, make up your own mind. But describing Goff as ‘sexist’ seems to be borne out by his own mouth.

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  31. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    His explanation is a bit like his explanation about visiting the Sky City hospitality box to remonstrate about its gambling business. Superficial and deceitful.

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