No more drugs

August 19th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The Government is warning synthetic drug manufacturers and sellers that a grace period for licensing their products and stores has lapsed and only Ministry of Health-approved psychoactive products can now remain on shelves.

Police Minister Anne Tolley reported that a Hamilton dairy had already been penalised under the legal high reforms, which put the onus on drug-makers to prove their products were safe before sale.

The dairy had 2000 packets of synthetic cannabis worth $40,000 confiscated under new rules which banned sales from dairies, petrol stations or any stores which were not licensed specialty outlets.

Manufacturers, sellers, and importers were given 28 days since the passing of the Psychoactive Substances Bill on July 18 to acquire interim licences for their products, stores or imports from a new regulatory authority.

It will be very interesting to see which products, if any, are approved as safe.

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34 Responses to “No more drugs”

  1. dime (9,675 comments) says:

    2000 packets? wonder what the cost of the stock was? 20k? A serious hit for a dairy.

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  2. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    Prohibition works so well… What could possibly go wrong with banning this stuff….

    It’s just a pity we can’t buy shares in the gangs – they will be rolling in cash because of this.

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  3. Fentex (909 comments) says:

    If none are approved then this policy is prohibition by another name.

    As I’ve no doubt some of the products put forward will be safe by any sane standard for it to be an actual effective policy about controlling for safety and avoiding serious injury some must pass.

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  4. nasska (10,916 comments) says:

    If the intention was to protect society rather than cater to the prejudices of the voting sheep then every liquor sales outlet in NZ would have their stock confiscated at the same time.

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  5. jcuk (639 comments) says:

    The immoraltity of big business
    “We shouldn’t need 40 years of study to figure out that chocolate-and grape-flavored cigars are being smoked by young people.”
    MATTHEW L. MYERS, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, on efforts to increase regulation of cigar smoking.
    NYT

    The sensible dairy owner would have been down stocking to avoid being left with large stocks. Probably hoping for a last minuite rush by customers to stock up.

    I have not smoked since 1974 and I simply get on with life as it comes … escaping reality by visiting political blogs

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  6. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    Just watch breaking bad to see what prohibition causes (you will also enjoy possibly the best TV series of all time)

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  7. dime (9,675 comments) says:

    maybe the dairy was lucky and had the stock on consignment.. or maybe they just wont pay the bill!?

    someone is out some cash anyway

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  8. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    only Ministry of Health-approved psychoactive products

    That sounds like Orwellian doublespeak if I have ever heard it. What kind of “psychoactive product” can pass the MOH’s muster?

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  9. Matt (224 comments) says:

    So what’s the bar? Alcohol? Tobacco?

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  10. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Not much will pass muster with the MOH but its a certainty that something else will take their place. The gangs will be rolling in coin.
    If anyone thinks prohibition works they ain’t read any history.

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  11. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Wah Wah “Prohibition” Blah Wah..

    You all sound like Philu.

    Synthetic Cannabis is nasty shite. Even more harmful than the real stuff.
    Cry me a river Potheads…

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  12. Nigel Kearney (919 comments) says:

    >Synthetic Cannabis is nasty shite. Even more harmful than the real stuff.
    >Cry me a river Potheads…

    Yup the potheads can go back to buying from gangs or sniffing glue. Problem solved, well done National.

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  13. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    NK – No one claims all problems are solved, just that one is.

    As Longknives said, synthetic cannabis can be nasty. A rule that forces it to be tested, controlled, and restricted is not unreasonable.

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  14. Ed Snack (1,801 comments) says:

    Hmm, is this having to prove a negative ? I have little doubt that this is intended to make it impossible to introduce any new, so far unbanned, product at all. None will ever be approved safe.

    I understand that the legislation was supported by and heavily funded to pass by the CGNZ (Cannabis Growers of NZ) manufacturers association.

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  15. Don the Kiwi (1,650 comments) says:

    Bloody good job.

    Get rid of the shit – drugs are bad news for society.

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  16. Black with a Vengeance (1,726 comments) says:

    Swt…now lets get them fat and tooth decay warnings and pictures on sody pop labels next.

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  17. Jack5 (4,906 comments) says:

    Singapore has the answer to drugs, and are there any gangs in Singapore? Of course not.
    No-one spits in the streets either.

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  18. smarsh (6 comments) says:

    “Synthetic cannabis is just going to be sold by ‘gangs’ and illegally now” – Probably very true, but are the government just supposed to sit back and not do anything? These once legal drugs have very serious psychotic effects on users and ensuring all ‘drugs’ are undergoing the correct health and safety checks is vital. Sure, it’s not going to miraculously fix the danger, though the bill definitely is step in the right direction.

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  19. unaha-closp (1,141 comments) says:

    GST on drug sales to be eliminated. Harm of drug sales to be increased. Cost of enforcement to be increased. Prison population and costs to be increased.

    Taxes are going to go up, again.

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  20. redeye (638 comments) says:

    Without making a judgement either way can someone enlighten me as to why liquor outlets were specifically named as not being able to sell the stuff. I would have thought that an establishment already accustom to regulation and requiring all customers to be of-age would be the most appropriate place to sell the stuff.

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  21. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Jack5 , better drugs are available in Singapore than here. There is no supply shortage of drugs in Singapore or any of the other Asian countries with tough laws.

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  22. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Jack5 (3,187) Says:
    August 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Singapore has the answer to drugs, and are there any gangs in Singapore? Of course not.
    No-one spits in the streets either.

    There is one gang in Singapore: the Government of Singapore. It’s method is simple: it punishes those who speak in opposition and criticize the government and has the power to imprison people arbitrarily.

    Singapore’s “answer” to drugs is the same as many other countries in the region (countries which continue to have high rates of abuse and trafficking despite very strict laws).

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  23. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Longknives (2,807) Says:
    August 19th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Wah Wah “Prohibition” Blah Wah..

    In other words Longknives doesn’t intend to let facts or reason sway his opinion. Engaging in debate only reveals the irrationality and the ignorance of his position, hence why him and others like him do not attempt to do so.

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  24. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    It’s great that Pot has completely disappeared from NZ once it was made illegal. This prohibition thing really works… Keep it up National, keep following the Jim Anderton method of control – ban it and pretend you have solved the problem.

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  25. smarsh (6 comments) says:

    Burt – I hear you and totally agree, this isn’t a magic fix and of course the problem will not disappear. Though what method of control do you suggest that isn’t completely stripping us of all rights and privacy? They are making a conscious attempt to try reduce the problem, what else would you like to see National doing?

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  26. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    smarsh

    Reducing the problem …. by sticking our heads in the sand and pretending we have made it go away.

    The issue seems to me that drugs are a medical issue, reducing use (and the negative consequences) is most likely best achieved via education and acceptance rather than prohibition.

    Lets get this clear – pot costs no more to grow than tomatoes yet one sells for a modest profit in shops and the other makes millions for the gangs. I’ve seen estimations before that up to 10% of police and court time is taken up with weed related offences. It’s everywhere… yet we pretend our policy of it being illegal is working.

    I sometimes wonder how powerful the gang lobby groups must be to convince parliament that it should stay illegal – it seems the only group that benefits from the current laws is the gangs. When your 14 year old tells you they could get their hands on pot within a few hours if they wanted to – that is when you know that the current policy of making millions for the gangs is simply not working.

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  27. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    Jim Anderton method of control

    Add Peter Dunne to that group. Followed by most people in Parliament.

    I read a very interesting idea on this blog a while back (by Ryan if I am not mistaken) that has stayed with me until this day. Legalise all drugs, and have the government provide them for free by prescription to addicts in safe and controlled environments, but with very strict “stick and carrot” approaches to ensure that rehabilitation and health services were being forced on addicts to try and get them better.

    Sounds crazy on the face of it and I am not saying I support it. But jesus it would smash organised crime and gang activity overnight,

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  28. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    pot costs no more to grow than tomatoes yet one sells for a modest profit in shops and the other makes millions for the gangs.

    Pot is no more harmful than tomatoes either. Our current marijuana laws are shamefully broken. Quick, lets imprison another garden store owner for 5 years and confiscate his home because he has sold someone some potting mix used to grow it.

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  29. smarsh (6 comments) says:

    By having synthetic cannabis in stores though, in a dairy, where you go in to get some bread and milk “and two packets of drugs that are likely to cause permanent psychotic disorders with that”, it gives the impression that it’s safe. Sure you could argue that it’s just like selling cigarettes but the side effects of synthetic drugs aren’t highly publicized to users as they purchase and take the drug. At least by banning the drug, it becomes more difficult for users to get it, and the danger is clear. Do you think that they have made the issue worse by prohibiting the drug? ‘The forbidden fruit is much more tempting than one that is allowed’?

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  30. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    At least by banning the drug, it becomes more difficult for users to get it, and the danger is clear.

    Correct, the kids will need to start dealing with serious criminals and the danger is that they decide that some LSD or ‘P’ might be nice for a change. Mind you … that would probably do less harm to them ….

    It’s just lucky that the drug which virtually never sends people to A&E is illegal – would be terrible for the alcohol industry if it wasn’t.

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  31. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Pot is no more harmful than tomatoes ”

    Tomatoes don’t often induce Psychosis….

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  32. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    Tomatoes don’t often induce Psychosis….

    The old correlation v causality argument for Psychosis and weed. The never ending debate – watched Refer Madness recently Longknives… 1 puff and you are ruined for life …. yeah yeah we get it…

    Alcohol …. nobody ever went spastic with that on board did they !!!!!!!!!!

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  33. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155447.php

    Rehm and colleagues review published work on exposure and prevalence of alcohol-use disorders and quantify the extent to which alcohol contributes to deaths and diseases, worldwide and in ten large countries.

    Using figures from 2004, the most recent year for which global data is available, they estimate that the net effect of alcohol consumption on health is harmful, accounting for 3.8 per cent of deaths globally (6.3 per cent for men and 1.8 per cent for women), and 4.6 per cent of years lived with disability.

    Europe, 1 in 10 deaths are linked to alcohol,
    The former Soviet Union, deaths linked to alcohol: 15 per cent or 1 in 7.

    Rather risk psychosis than death?

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  34. burt (8,036 comments) says:

    Griff

    If we were evaluating Alcohol (or cigs) under the new laws that will be used for “psychoactive” substances then it’s hard to imagine it would be approved. But a bunch of cranky old men decide that they like their alcohol and it should be legal while telling others that their preferred ‘tonic’ is illegal…..

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