Ryder tests positive

August 20th, 2013 at 9:40 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Cricketer tested positive for a performance-enhancing stimulant, RadioLive reported this morning.

If there was a cricketer who’d you guess was most likely to test positive, Ryder would be high on many lists.

A hearing by Drug Free Sport NZ was reportedly held earlier this month during which his lawyers said he had taken a poorly-labelled weight-loss supplement.

Yeah, right.

“Unfortunately for Jesse he wanted to lose some weight so back in March [he] walked into a chemist and, as I understand it, grabbed a product from the chemist.

“He went home, did the due diligence on it in terms of jumping on Google, checking all the ingredients were safe for him to have and not on the wider banned list.”

I wonder if he has receipts from the chemist? And would not a professional sport like have one or more doctors and experts who you could contact to check?

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37 Responses to “Ryder tests positive”

  1. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    storm in a teacup
    nice to see youre there ready to stick the boot in

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  2. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    if he had said bodybuilding shop rather than chemist id believe the excuse a bit more..

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  3. Manolo (13,375 comments) says:

    Yawn, yawn. It must be little news day.

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  4. lilman (892 comments) says:

    Violent attack aside,if Mr Ryder was taking PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs,then I for one would be asking for my money back if I were Jessie.
    Runs arent a plenty at the moment.

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  5. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    DPF….

    Best to stay with matters on which you have some expert knowledge.
    The definition of “performance enhancing” is now so wide-ranging that it has become a catch-all description to include “social” drugs that actually IMPEDE performance..

    Hell, even cannabis is about to be delisted, because it is so widely used..

    There is absolutely NO known drug that could enhance the performance of a cricket batsman – none. Fast bowler, yes.

    A proper forensic examination of the FACTs, including those matters you raise, would probably show that Ryder’s “use” was inadvertent. But it the substance, not the effect, that is the reason for classification.

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  6. James Stephenson (2,033 comments) says:

    if he had said bodybuilding shop rather than chemist id believe the excuse a bit more..

    I dunno, I get the occasional tub of stuff from Health 2000, I’d probably describe that as a “chemist”. I’m putting this in the same category as Shane Warne’s positive…vanity-driven and very unlikely to make a difference to on-field performance.

    There is absolutely NO known drug that could enhance the performance of a cricket batsman – none. Fast bowler, yes.

    Disagree, better stamina means better concentration and better decision-making.

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  7. wf (374 comments) says:

    Hey guys, don’t forget that our host has had a significant weight loss by virtue of diet control and exercise, so he naturally would regard pill-taking as a less worthy method.

    I think, given Ryder’s problems in the past, he’s probably a bit impulsive, and if some one said ‘take ABC you can get it at the chemist’, he’d probably do so. Easy fix. Like alcohol.

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  8. gravedodger (1,516 comments) says:

    @ Flipper 9 54, so A Rod is in a spot of bother coz he wanted to run the bases faster, her’s a hint, batsmen have to run occasionally too. Then again maybe yo aint the spurt, you think?

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  9. GPT1 (2,090 comments) says:

    Should have stuck to my fitness pal.

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  10. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    gravedodger (1,239) Says:

    August 20th, 2013 at 10:08 am
    @ Flipper 9 54, so A Rod is in a spot of bother coz he wanted to run the bases faster, her’s a hint, batsmen have to run occasionally too. Then again maybe yo aint the spurt, you think?

    *****

    Some how I think you did not dodge the grave.
    I do not need any hints old timer.
    But you obviously have forgotten that a “batsman” who cannot “bat” does not get to play, and certainly not at international level. No drug will enhance batting ability, given the idiosyncrasies of cricket, as opposed to other sports.

    The real problem here is that the ICC(?) and Cricket NZ have signed up to WADA’s (Wellingtonian David Howman’s mob) all-embracing definitions, many of which have been included for social NOT performance enhancing reasons.

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  11. tvb (4,208 comments) says:

    High Performance athletes KNOW they are regularly tested for performance enhancing drugs. And i assume they have support available to advise them on what they can and cannot consume. And if they buy a new product from the chemist or a black power associate they will get advice on whether they are safe to consume it. Ryder’s excuses are feeble and it seems he does not have the necessary discipline to be in a high performance sport with regular drug testing.

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  12. dubya (214 comments) says:

    DEBEA (which Ryder tested positive for) is pretty common in ‘pre-workout’ supplements, I haven’t come across a weight loss specific supplement which contains it, but wouldn’t be surprised. Basically, body builders and women/tubby cricketers who want to get slim have the same requirements, they want lower body fat and a quick way to do that is to fill your bloodstream with stimulants. Drinking 20 cups of coffee a day would have a similar effect.

    Ten years ago BZP was a well-used weight loss drug, you could buy it off the shelf at chemists and Health 2000, not long after that it was banned. I worked in a Health 2000 while I was at uni and we had some seriously addicted customers coming in days before the product was banned to stock up. Just last year, a popular pre-workout called ‘Jack3d’ was banned, too. A lot of the stimulants used in them are precursors to Meth, so probably best avoided. Sales of this kind of stuff has expanded exponentially in the last few years, though, with the ‘Zyzz’ craze inspiring a generation of young guys to become vain, flashy dickheads.

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  13. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,797 comments) says:

    Perhaps they already were vain, flashy dickheads?

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  14. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Drug Free Sport NZ, needs to earn some credibility and clamp down on all the rugby drug cheats. I will help by volunteering to manage the All Black drug testing.

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  15. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    “Just last year, a popular pre-workout called ‘Jack3d’ was banned”

    Jack3d is back. A new formula. Its like the synthetic dope.. they just change a few things.

    Dime used the original jacked about 18 months ago. holy shit is it bad for you. after a couple of weeks i noticed if i didnt use it i had a come down.. like when i used to do speed in my early 20′s.

    So i gave up all pre-workout drinks. My workouts didnt go backward and my strength was the same.. so fuck knows why i used em to start with.

    I did give a serving to a friend of mine before we went out one night. she was amped up big time. just like being on speed….

    My favourite supplement ever was “BULLETPROOF”. it was ZMA with a gaba chucked in. Holy shit. Best sleep i have ever had. my body just relaxed, like a full body stone after smoking a shit load of pot. was amazing.

    turns out gaba is some sort of date rape drug so its no longer available in NZ :(

    now i buy a ZMA formula from pak n save. works a treat. two weeks on, two weeks off. get amazing deep sleep.

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  16. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    On the bright side, it is self-evident that the current NZ team members are not taking performance enhancing stimulants.

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  17. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    Gutted he will miss the Kiwi summer. God knows we need a fit Jesse Ryder in the team.

    It all seems a bit ridiculous IMO. Some guy gets 6 months for what is basically vanity, yet rugby players use creatine, protein powders etc…. what is really more “performance enhancing”?

    The knockers are out in force who will keep kicking people on the ground no doubt….. DPF one of them

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  18. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    Dime used the original jacked about 18 months ago. holy shit is it bad for you. after a couple of weeks i noticed if i didnt use it i had a come down.. like when i used to do speed in my early 20′s.

    Is that that powder crap you chuck in water pre workout? Given my current intake of caffeine that stuff would probably tip me into cardiac arrest zone, so have never wanted to try it.

    davinci – lol, good point. Ryder’s lawyers should try that defence.

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  19. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The AB’s look like body builders did a few years ago. That has not come about from simple diet and exercise. Sorry folks, but they are on the juice. I personally know of a couple of top level players who were, so denials will fall on deaf ears.

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  20. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    nick – im sure cricketers are using creatine & protein powder too. i cant see why either would be illegal.

    to say PED’s dont help batsmen is incorrect too. roids are all about recovery. train hard, back in the gym the next day. HGH, TRT its all good. send your testosterone through the roof and you have cardio for days. more focused etc

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  21. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    nick – im sure cricketers are using creatine & protein powder too. i cant see why either would be illegal.

    Yea I am sure they are widely used across all sport and obviously aren’t illegal. I guess I was more meaning to say how ridiculous some weight loss pill can be said to be “performance enhancing”. I guess some of them contain diuretics which can mask actual PEDs (like what Shane Warne got banned for in 2003 for example)

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  22. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    Sorry for confusion – obviously I didn’t mean to say protein and creatine isn’t performance enhancing – obviously it is.

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  23. Akld Commercial Lawyer (160 comments) says:

    As a cricket tragic, I was sad to see the headlines.

    The full decision is here http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/Documents/Decisions/2013/ryder_decision.pdf

    Like so many Sports Tribunal decisions, it is clear and sensible and (I think) very even-handed.

    As well as being logical – it is quite sad.

    Particularly sad is that Jesse started off being wary and checked the ingredients. But the ingredients as listed both on the internet and on the label of the product were not on the Prohibited List. Unfortunately the product did contain a banned substance (confirmed by scientific analysis) which was not listed in either the internet or label schedule of ingredients.

    The decision also notes that, unfortunately, it is not uncommon with these types of supplements for the ingredient list to be benign but the product to contain a substance which is banned.

    Other NZ athletes have fallen into the same trap. Where the ingredient list does not state the presence of the prohibited substance then its presence can only be detected by forensic testing.

    Equally sadly, non-one thought to contact Drug Free Sport (although there was discussion about making further enquiries). Then Graeme Steel from Drug Free Sport again expressed his frustration that, despite Drug Free Sport’s clear messages, athletes who have no intention of cheating get caught out by not being sufficiently suspicious of the credibility of the supplement industry.

    The net result is that, for want of some better advice, we miss out on seeing Jesse play to mid October.

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  24. 3-coil (1,200 comments) says:

    Poor old Jessie should be trying some intelligence enhancing drugs.

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  25. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    ACL…
    Thanks.
    Good post. :)

    My old mate David Howman has been sucked in (and his arm twisted by both Pound and Rogge) by the social aspects of WADA’s list.

    The fact that Cannabis is now likely to be de-listed in NZ is indicative of the problem. Cannabis is hardly “performance enhancing”.

    As I have said earlier on this matter, there is no known stimulant, or performance enhancing drug, that will aid a cricket batsman. Period.

    The suspension is bureaucratic bullshit. The nature of the athlete testing regime is far, far worse than all the worst implications of GCSB . If there is to be any hand wringing, it should be over the draconian powers that this quasi police group exercises – totally under the radar.

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  26. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    Kea (6,855) Says:

    August 20th, 2013 at 11:38 am
    The AB’s look like body builders did a few years ago. That has not come about from simple diet and exercise. Sorry folks, but they are on the juice. I personally know of a couple of top level players who were, so denials will fall on deaf ears.

    *****
    What an ASS you are…and a serial liar on many subjects.

    If you really did “know of a couple of top level players who were,” they would have long since been outed.

    You really are talking thru your arse, and have no idea of how the system is administered, and what or when testing is undertaken.

    SHUT TFU.

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  27. Colville (2,081 comments) says:

    Where does it say he got it from a chemist?
    says ‘when he recieved it” … internet order?

    I like JR. He is a simple soul that just wants to play cricket and he is pretty fair at that when his head is right.

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  28. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Gutted he will miss the Kiwi summer.

    He won’t. He is suspended only until October. The boozer and cheater has got off remarkably lightly.

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  29. SHG (363 comments) says:

    flipper said:

    No drug will enhance batting ability

    To hit a ball you use your muscles. The more muscle you have the harder you can hit the ball, and the more fast-twitch muscle fibre you have the faster you can get the bat to where the ball is.

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  30. Elaycee (4,302 comments) says:

    Jeez, there is some nonsense being written here… so for the sake of accuracy, I’ll try and help:

    All major NZ sports (especially those funded by the taxpayer) will be covered by DFS (Drug Free Sport NZ) and therefore all participants in these sports have to adhere to the DFS rules. And the DFS NZ rules are the WADA rules. In essence, it means virtually every athlete representing New Zealand or under the umbrella of High Performance NZ is covered by WADA rules. Each year, WADA updates and circulates a list of banned substances and the list takes effect on 1st Jan each year.

    DFSNZ is not able to decide whether someone in NZ sport can take a banned substance or not – if it’s on the WADA list of banned substances, it’s not allowed. The only ‘exception’ is if an athlete has applied for use of a banned substance under TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) and any approved use is only granted for a finite period. So (for example) if any NZ cricket player wanted an exemption to use a banned substance under TUE, they have to apply via DFS and any approval would be for a finite term.

    Cannabis is not going to be ‘delisted’ – the suggestion is bollocks. However, during a May 11 meeting, WADA’s executive committee decided to increase the threshold level for cannabis from 15 ng/L to 150 ng/L, significantly reducing the chances of an athlete testing positive for out-of-competition use. But there is no change to tests taken during competition. And a substance cannot be delisted or added to the list from NZ – the list is prepared and circulated by WADA and that list applies globally.

    Hopefully that will set the record straight. And for those wanting to check out the 2013 WADA list of banned substances, here it is:

    http://www.wada-ama.org/documents/world_anti-doping_program/wadp-prohibited-list/2013/wada-prohibited-list-2013-en.pdf

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  31. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    Elaycee…
    The source is Graeme Steele.
    The comment by me is NOT bollocks.
    Steele made the point that they have limited funds, as do similar agencies in many nations, and those funds would be best spent on performance enhancing drugs.

    WADA is a good organisation, well run by David Howman, but hamstrung by the inclusion of cannabis ( I am not nor have ever been a user or advocate its use).

    I am sorry old fellow, you are both right and wrong.

    Now care to comment on the draconian regime and the BORA????

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  32. Elaycee (4,302 comments) says:

    @flipper: There’s no need for me to comment further. I just wanted to correct the inaccuracies.

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  33. flipper (3,563 comments) says:

    No inaccuracies Elaycee.
    Read between the lines.

    David Howman is tearing his hair out because he (WADA) has been loaded with social drug issues when his job is dealing to sports cheats.
    H A N D El :)

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  34. seanmaitland (455 comments) says:

    DPF sorry, but this post makes you look like a twat.

    Stick to things you actually know about, or try and bother to read the articles before mouthing off.

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  35. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    I watched Jesse Ryder on Chipmonk Live….

    He just seems like a really really really really fucking thick cunt.

    I’m not surprised shit happens to him all the time. Tends to happen to shit for brains people. I should know!!

    So when you start asking things like ‘couldn’t he have just….’ or ‘wouldn’t it have been really easy to….’ or ‘I’m surprised he didn’t…’ etc etc etc etc etc. Well yeah… for people with a brain in their head. Knowing that anything you put in your body could cause a problem, you’d want to check everything… and clear everything. ‘You might want to…..’

    And just quietly… I know you don’t need to look like SBW to hit a cricket ball with a bat but still…. the dude looks age mid- forties…. faaaark… look at those neck layers trying to swallow his head…

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  36. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    Kea 11:38 am They must be doing something….. juice or not. It would be interesting to see what they get up to- to get that way.

    Some of them are just fair dinkum monsters…. so how much time do they put into that? If I had to do heavy squats and deadlifts and shit like that- the rugby game would be the easy as part. The gym would be the really tough-going hardyards money earning activity. Are they really more like professional weightlifters waiting to put on a show? Like ‘pro wrestling’?

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  37. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Why can’t the left-wing envious scum in media leave this bugger alone. They have ruined Guilford’s career, now they seem hellbent on destroying Ryder as well. Half the arseholes penning crap have never caught a cricket or Rugby ball . . . losers!

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