Shearer resigns

August 22nd, 2013 at 1:41 pm by David Farrar

has resigned as Leader of the Labour Party. He will remain an MP. At this stage it looks like and will both contest the leadership which means a full membership ballot with the caucus getting 40%, the members 405 and the unions 20%.

Looks like he got killed by his own snapper stunt, with that being the last straw. Which staffer’s idea was that I wonder?

The gallery reported he had until Spring (1 September) to perform or go, and it has come true.

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157 Responses to “Shearer resigns”

  1. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Gutted.

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  2. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    So will we now know the answer to Judith Collins’s question about which would last longer – the snapper or Shearer!

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  3. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    What’s all the fuss about? Labour hasn’t had a leader in 18 months, so not having one for a further 3-4 weeks is no big deal.

    Cactus had the best tweet on this: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cc.jpg

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  4. Ryan Sproull (7,285 comments) says:

    Gutted.

    Bwahahaahaha

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  5. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    Bugger, he was the best thing for National. Not that anyone else could do better. They have no one that can appeal to a wide range of people. Bring on the next pillack to take over.

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  6. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Re camel’s back david, as I said yesterday…

    iMP (1,509) Says: August 21st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    I would say on a Scale of one to ten, this Floundering for the Sole of the Labour Shoal is the last Straw (a Ten Pointer to finish on, to quote Lockwood Smith) for the Shearer Camel’s back, to mix our menagerie metaphors. And I didn’t wangle a Mallard in there once…dang.

    If Shearer wants to survive, he’ll have to play a different Tuna…Oh this is gonna be great fun for cartoonists…

    NOW it just remains to be seen if my April 19th prediction will become true. Wil we get our first openly gay PM? http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/nzs-first-gay-pm/

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  7. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t Gillard come over here and have a go? Every other man and his dog has put their hat in the ring it seems.

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  8. redqueen (582 comments) says:

    Sweet as!!! Now we can enjoy a prolonged civil war…

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  9. martinh (1,272 comments) says:

    I dont think it was the snapper, i think hes known for a while he is not a leader in parliament type.
    Please not Robertson, hes a pretentious slimeball. Andrew Littles thick and that leaves Jones or Cunliffe- maybe they should team up

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  10. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Would be an interesting time for a snap(per) election!

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  11. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Labour lurches further left.

    Now will Key follow them again?

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  12. niggly (831 comments) says:

    Perhaps Wussel Norman could make a grab from the outside (like he did to gain leadership of the Greens), after all it’s the only way he’ll ever become PM.

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  13. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Pop Corn time :)

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  14. Mark (1,491 comments) says:

    The thing you have got to love about posters on this blog is their graciousness in victory :).

    Labour are now going to have to work through what could be quite a divisive and messy leadership campaign which can only be helpful for National post the passing of the GCSB legislation.

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  15. flipper (4,205 comments) says:

    Question time in the House today will be good sport, no?

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  16. freemark (616 comments) says:

    Maybe he just realised that everything he stands for politically is a load of shit…most of us realised that quite a few years ago…

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Whoever they get for leader, I hope they find someone that has kiwi balls and not the US flag stuck up his jacksie.

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  18. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Mark, you have made a very good, and ironic point. I think National were a little hurt by the GCSB Bill and there was a 5 point move to Labour on the latest Roy Morgan poll. Now Shearer has taken all that away because this will be the news for the next 4 weeks. Even in his time of resignation, he managed to politically f*** that up too.

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  19. Paulus (2,664 comments) says:

    Have just heard from acquaintance in Wellington that it is said that Russel Norman said, once he found out in Parliament on Tuesday that Shearer had a private meeting with Key on GCSB, he would no longer work anything with Labour whilst Shearer was leader. Robertson got the message.

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  20. dime (10,109 comments) says:

    Who will be leader? Hard to know when they have so much talent to call on HAHAHAHAHA

    1 Grant Robertson? – the dude is way too smug, too fat. the gay factor will cost 5% imho. If he was a hot chick it might be plus 5…

    2 Cunliffe? his own party dont even like him.

    3 Adern? future Prime Minister an all that lmao

    4 Andrew Little – the guy has no brain.

    5 David “it puts the lotion on or it gets the hose” Parker?

    6 shane “jerks off over tax payer funded porn” jones?

    Mallard? that would be hilarious.

    what other odd balls are there?

    annette king?

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  21. freemark (616 comments) says:

    @Judith “Whoever they get for leader, I hope they find someone that has kiwi balls and not the US flag stuck up his jacksie.”
    I think you meant UN flag didn’t you? JK, now he is a top kiwi bloke, Cantab Engineering students know it well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYDFSIbQWlU

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  22. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Lol… just lol

    And lol at Grant Robertson for leader… he is the Waitakere Man’s dream… lol

    And lol at Cunliffe for leader…lol

    Lol at the Labour Party

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  23. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  24. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Will we get our first openly gay PM?

    I thought we already had one.

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  25. markm (114 comments) says:

    Judith
    If you want a leader that has kiwi balls stuck up his Jacksie, then Robertsons your man or woman

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  26. dubya (243 comments) says:

    It’s going to be a race between a cunt and a bloke who wishes he had one. Should be amusing.

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  27. niggly (831 comments) says:

    That’s interesting Paulus – I had wondered if the resignation was (part) influenced by the revelation that Shearer tiptoed up to Key’s office to discuss GCSB bill (seeing that dumbfounded both Labour and Green MP’s as it totally underminded their joint strategy to attack the bill etc).

    So Russel wears the (Labour) Pants. Pathetic Labour, totally pathetic ….

    And Roberston has allowed this to cosy up to the Greens. Disgraceful….this man should also resign…

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  28. hj (7,066 comments) says:

    If you were to follow an argument map you would find labour hung up at a cross roads: at one fork you would have “leftists of the internationalist traditions” at the other protectionists. I’m with the protectionists as I think as I think that when countries overshoot what their lands and economy can support that is their problem not ours.

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  29. dime (10,109 comments) says:

    Please be true – Greens leader fires Labour leader BAHAHAHAAHAHA

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  30. skyblue (214 comments) says:

    Norman is the next Labour Leader.

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  31. Ross12 (1,454 comments) says:

    Whoever they select I hope it is someone with the “strengh” to put Norman in his place and pull votes away from the Greens.
    Someone needs to publicise what is going on with the Greens in Australia – doing a deal on preferences with the Clive Palmer party –this is the sort of hypocrisy I’d expect the from the NZ Greens as well if they thought they could get an extra sniff of power.

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  32. Viking2 (11,568 comments) says:

    Jones for Leader.

    He has the smarts and the Maori vote. He is not afraid of Key & co.

    He is also in the picture with Hipkins and King who looks quite haggard.

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  33. wikiriwhis business (4,119 comments) says:

    I got it!

    John Tamahere…..he’s all labour got left.

    Winston let out he could be in NZ First….but to have your own desperate lil party !

    But on second thought Winston is going to romp to the top in 2014 so I think JT will stick with Winnie

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  34. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    3-4 weeks to get a new leader….and to get the smell of dead fish out of the office……

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    markm (78) Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Judith
    If you want a leader that has kiwi balls stuck up his Jacksie, then Robertsons your man or woman

    Wouldn’t vote for any of them, I can only think of two politicians in our current government that are worthy of sitting on the leather, the rest should have their hides made into leather as far as I’m concerned.

    I do love the way everyone is crowing saying how wonderful this is for Key though. Have they forgotten that the vast majority of kiwis love a lame dog. If they form the opinion that Shearer was bullied out, then Key will not gain anything from this. The minor parties might, but depending on how Key presents himself over this matter, if its not done allowing Shearer dignity, it might just come back to bite Key.

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  36. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    It’s a woman’s turn to be the leader isn’t it?

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  37. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (1,410) Says:

    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Key will be packing his undies and monitoring labour party emails

    He has everything to fear now and nowhere to hide!

    sooty with delusions, why don’t you join the winning team for once in your life ? National is not a race based party like the ones your bros invented. :)

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  38. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Jones is tainted. Cunliffe ftw!

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  40. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Sad – to see humiliation and a high profile resignation.

    Hope – that FINALLY Labour will begin to rebuild into a credible opposition party. The next couple of months will be difficult, and it won’t be easy to look like a fresh new start party while retaining some experience.

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  41. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Nice guy, terrible politician.

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  42. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    “Black with a Vengeance (1,412) Says:

    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    Oh fuck off kea.

    National has always been the old white boys club!”

    Coffee coloured malcontent, Yeah but you can join too. You can’t help “your people” by supporting an ineffective divided bunch of social engineering white middle class communists. Stand up and have your say in party that has the public ear.

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  43. freemark (616 comments) says:

    Just another corrupt, hypocritical, dishonest Leftie trougher. Bring another on, they’ll go the same way.

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  44. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    National has always been the old white boys club!

    Jones is tainted. Cunliffe ftw!

    Right, Cunliffe, wouldn’t fit in at an old white boys club like Jones would.

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  45. hj (7,066 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (1,412) Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Key will be packing his undies and monitoring labour party emails :)

    He has everything to fear now and nowhere to hide!
    ………………………
    I doubt it as BWV supports minority (only) interests, the sort of things that make beltway run the other way from Labour.

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  46. lazza (382 comments) says:

    Moral of this Story. Don’t do your fish mongering in public … unless you want to get gutted.

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  47. mavxp (492 comments) says:

    A leader is defined by having followers. It is not an appointed “position”. David was never a leader in the sense that no one was following him. He was pushed forward to be “the leader” because no one else was willing to be a leader either.

    The next real leader will be the one that articulates clearly WHY Labour needs representation (the worker, the salaryman, the small business owner -because lets face it large scale factory based traditional labour has reduced dramatically in size or ceased to exist entirely due to a combination of deregulation and globalisation, or has morphed into small business contractors that are not unionised).

    What are the *Values* that Labour believes in today? Articulate that and more importantly execute policy and criticism (some of it actually should be constructive!) of the government, business, the media, that is 100% authentic to those beliefs, and does not exact a cynical response from the average citizen. Labour is a brand, and reputation is everything. The leader and all staff must control the brand image fiercely.

    The leader must inspire and draw support to them, and command loyalty. When people think of the word Labour they should FEEL they love the organisation and movement and have faith in the leadership. Not feelings of cynicism, disgust, disappointment etc. They also must lead and provide great policies – not reflecting what they think people want, but what they believe it is what NZ needs because it is authentic to values Labour stands for that resonate with them, and they believe will resonate too with their supporters.

    This is the same for any organisation by the way that wants to succeed. Labour is like any other organisation, and politics like the market is Darwinian.

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  48. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    The nature of this is suggestive of a deal being struck to replace him already.

    Cunliffe would appear the obvious choice at this point; good communicator, fast on his feet and most importantly untainted by association with Shearer; Only he can portray a fresh start.

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  49. Lance (2,714 comments) says:

    It is now obvious BWAV is a far left sock puppet after comments like that.

    There has been a lot of underhanded manoeuvring and misrepresentation of the facts by the left, o.k. this is politics and that is how the game is played but they miss the point in that once you have your opposition off balance you are actually meant to do something other than shoot yourself in the foot.

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  50. PaulL (6,048 comments) says:

    Not sure it’s good news for National. It’d be hard to imagine any of the other candidates doing worse than Shearer. Most of them have a bit more mongrel, and unfortunately for National that means more scrutiny. Flip-side, I think they’re all well to the left of Shearer, so potentially they’ll be more politically astute but what they’re selling will be less attractive. Not sure where that might balance out.

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  51. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    @black – WTF?

    * Sir Apirana Ngata: National MP (the modern form of the party formed during his career)
    * Treaty Settlements: National has delivered more than 2x as many as Labour
    * Current MPs: National has the same number of Maori MPs as Labour (both 8, no?)

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  52. PaulL (6,048 comments) says:

    @Camryn, I now expect @black to refer to his father’s brother, named Thomas.

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  53. wrightingright (145 comments) says:

    Yay!

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  54. lastmanstanding (1,302 comments) says:

    David Shearer was just too nice to be a political leader let alone a Socialist Party Leader. To be a leader of a LEFTIE party you need to be a right arsehole treat your staff and colleagues like shit and he just wasn’t up to it.

    But never fear fellow Nat supporters. We have 14 months until the election and plenty of time to see who ever the Socialist Party puts up as leader get sliced and diced by JK just like John Campbell was.

    Whoever they elect wont have the full support of the caucus in fact the leader will be a minority leader with possibly the Party members and the Unions the controlling vote.

    So the new leader will have a problem. Like being the ABs Captain with most of the team hating your guts and wanting nothing better than to lose the game so you the leader get the blame.

    Think about it. The Socialist Partys governance process and procedure is a nightmare for anyone who cant command at least the significant majority of the caucus supporting them.

    They are doomed to failure no matter who they are.

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  55. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    I’m not so worried about whether Labour will get a better leader as I’m worried about them getting better policies. This would be a good time to tie some failed ideas to Shearer as he goes overboard. I’m particularly worried they might tie “NZ Power” (widely seen as economically insane) and “Kiwi Build” (widely seen as impossible) to Shearer and now ditch them… I note he took special care to mention them in his resignation statement.

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  56. Doug (410 comments) says:

    You have to wonder if this is why Fran Mould had been brought back into the fold, destabilize Sheerer and bring about his downfall fish anyone.

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  57. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    Poor David Shearer. His resignation is only the second most viewed story on Stuff, after “Schoolgirls’ virginity to be checked”.

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  58. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Someone upthread (cant be bothered searching) castigated the commenters here for not being gracious in victory…Victory? It’s a bloody disaster for the right! Shearer’s resignation has turned what was a virtually certain loss for Labour next year into a possibly credible contest…How in the name of the deity can THAT be a victory for the VRWC?

    But on a personal level, I am glad for Shearer that he has gone…It’s difficult to think of a poli who looked less comfortable with the role of politician, much less the leader of the largest opposition party…He never looked comfortable; never looked capable; never remotely looked as if he was growing in the job…Surely he will quit politics altogether next year and go back to some well paid UN trough? I wish the man well. He must feel like a huge weight is lifted off his shoulders.

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  59. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Well, well. So Cunners gets his chance. Just 6 months later than expected.

    It will be party time over at The Standard, I’m sure.

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  60. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    A good time to call a snap election? GCSB just passed and now Labour leaderless.

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  61. lastmanstanding (1,302 comments) says:

    David Garrett See my post above. I repeat that given the hopeless mess of their governance arrangements as regards leadership I cant see a new leader with a majority support of the MPs therefore I cant see them offering up a creditable fight for Nov 2014.
    IMHO it will be a case of seeing who is going to be the fall guy ( girl?) for 2014 with those with real leadership aspirations waiting in the wings ready to take office early 2015.

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  62. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett

    Well said David. Showing some class there – which is what we would expect of all our M.P.’s. :-)

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  63. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Carlos: Someone must surely be considering the pros and cons of that…pros: take advantage of the dishevelled shambles while it is still thus; cons: cynically taking advantage of the dishevelled shambles while it is still thus?

    Be interesting to see what Hooten or our own mine host has to say about that possibility…

    Judith: Not sure whether to be dismayed or just astounded that you are praising me…

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  64. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    bhudson>So Cunners gets his chance. Just 6 months later than expected.

    Will he? Rumours that Cunliffe is hated by most of his colleagues makes him sound an awful lot like Kevin Rudd. Can NZ Labour afford that sort of train wreck?

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  65. Bob (497 comments) says:

    Come back Helen. Your party needs you.

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  66. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    If they elect the “[deleted by DPF]” it means they will fall further into oblivion. Let’s face it, we have had enough of these pooftars, without them trying to run a political party already overrun by deviants.

    [DPF: 50 demerits]

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  67. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Politics is a playground.

    What you lose on the swings, you gain on the roundabouts!

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  68. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Let’s look at the options;

    Cunliffe, multi millionaire. Lives in Herne Bay. Populist showman who likes to go brown town with his silly voices and is universally despised by all who work with him in parliament. Main cheerleaders. Hate speech muppet and real estate agent Bomber Bradbury. Chris Trotter, left wing spokesman for the 1930’s.

    Grant Robertson. Podgy jobsworth who has never earned a dollar that wasn’t reefed from a taxpayers pocket. Homosexual. Shouldn’t matter but for traditional working class and Pasifika Labour voters it will matter, ignore the polls on this issue. Nobody will admit it is a problem but it will be. Ex Clark familiar.

    Andrew Little. Needs to answer questions about the EPMU missing millions, couldn’t win a safe Labour electorate.

    Phil Goff.. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>

    Parker. When he is not pinching the wives of left wing icons he is more boring than Don Brash.

    Shane Jones, the original three chinned gravy boat botherer. If you wanted to draw a picture of the stereotypical lazy Maori, just use his photo.

    No women candidates worth wasting typing on.

    Labour are doomed, if the internecine squabble for the leadership does not rip them apart they will end up with an unelectable jobsworth or a popular showman who will be poofingered by his colleagues.

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  69. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Russel Norman said, once he found out in Parliament on Tuesday that Shearer had a private meeting with Key on GCSB, he would no longer work anything with Labour whilst Shearer was leader.

    Hopefully Norman can get rid of Mallard, Goff and King for a clean sweep of the house…

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  70. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Ian McK: I assume it is just a coincidence that your pseud contains parts of the name of a well known gay thespian…Although your comments are a bit OTT, I personally would love to see Robertson at the head of the Labour Party…I certainly cant see Waitakere Man (or woman) being too keen on a portly homosexual former bureaucrat whose only real contact with manual labourers is probably via. the pics of some sculpted chap in faux “working clothes” carrying a pristine spanner… one that has never been in contact with any nuts…

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  71. JamesBlake (62 comments) says:

    “Ian McK

    If they elect the “Filthy Fat Faggit” it means they will fall further into oblivion. Let’s face it, we have had enough of these pooftars, without them trying to run a political party already overrun by deviants.”

    Wow…just Wow. That you feel comfortable enough to show such bigotry here and then to see it uprated says so much about what is moraly corrupt with those on the far right. I’m not gay but I really don’t see why I should be scared of a gay person in power. Do you think they are going to legislate so you have to bend over and take it in the rear?

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  72. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Cunliffe, multi millionaire. Lives in Herne Bay. Populist showman who likes to go brown town with his silly voices

    vs in the blue corner…

    Key, multi millionaire, Lives in Parnell. Glib talking charlatan who likes to mince it with teh homos with his silly walks.

    should be an even contest :)

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  73. campit (467 comments) says:

    Robertson is unheard of outside of the Wellington beltway. If Labour want to target the man on the Waitakere omnibus, Phil Twyford would be a good bet.

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  74. kowtow (8,774 comments) says:

    Jones for leader and has the smarts?????????

    So smart he’s a spanker on the tax payer!

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  75. Mr Noisy (27 comments) says:

    I bet that Robertson, Norman etc. are eating fish and chips in the Labour leader’s office right now. Someone send up a DomPost photographer

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  76. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    sooty with an attitude, I see the problem ! In your world the whole red/blue thing takes on a new meaning. But I can assure you that you won’t get-the-bash if you change your colours in this context. Join the winning team instead of moaning on the side lines. I seem to recall that Labour did not win favour with “your people” when they were in power. They did not “close the gaps” but increased them to levels unseen in recent NZ history.

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  77. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Does this Shearer fried fish mean we’re one mince closer to our first openly gay NZ PM?

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/shearer-as-fried-fish-a-mince-closer-to-a-nz-gay-pm/

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  78. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    Can’t be all good for National, and although Labour’s cabinet does look a bit bare, Shearer was never cut out to be to be leader. Possibly he’s a really nice guy (I’ve never met him), but political leader he ain’t.

    With a better leader Labour can’t help but make inroads. Key is showing definite signs of slipping, the GCSB bill has been badly handled for a start, someone with “mongrel” and some reasonable policies could make serious ground over the next year. My pick is Cunliffe, maybe nobody likes him, but he does give the appearance of confidence and probably can enunciate a coherent (if stupid, but that’s leftist politics) set of policies.

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  79. JamesBlake (62 comments) says:

    Kea

    Unseen until now. Because you know that the wage gap has only increased under national and that directly corrilates to minorities being in a worse situation.

    Well maybe you don’t know that because it hasn’t been written in a national flyer to be dropped in your mail box.

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  80. stigie (1,318 comments) says:

    Grant Robertson will be Leader….Hang on, its a females turn to be leader….Hang on im confused !!

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  81. laworder (292 comments) says:

    Perhaps Shearer will end up working back in some high powered position in the UN as David Garrett has suggested. I hope so for his sake, he deserves something good after what he has been through leading Labour the last few years. Poor man, whatever did he do to deserve such cruel and unusual punishment. Had he been leading a proper party instead of a bunch of buffoons and no-hopers I suspect he would have made an excellent Prime Minister.

    Regards
    Peter J
    see http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz

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  82. JamesBlake (62 comments) says:

    “stigie

    Grant Robertson will be Leader….Hang on, its a females turn to be leader….Hang on im confused !!”

    I am guessing that is a common state of mind for you.

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  83. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    I see it’s now being reported that Helen Clarke ordered the resignation to be followed closely by a non-performing Party President.

    If that’s the case then it’s all bullshit about the new leader being elected via democratic process. Helen will make the call and the Muppets will say ‘yes sir please’.

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  84. Richard Hurst (873 comments) says:

    Stand by… following the captain throwing himself over the side the HMS Labour is about to make a violent turn to the Hard Left as the rest of the crew fight over the wheel. And the ship is being boarded by the Greens…

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  85. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    JamesBlake , yes the wage gap has increased and I am not happy about it. But you can not blame National. They came into power when the world economy was in decline and Labour had spent all the money on unaffordable election bribes.

    Labour came in promising to close the gaps, deal with Maori grievances, and create a fairer society. I voted for them ! I thought it was a return to their traditional roots. The world ecomony started booming at that time and it was the perfect time to address the issues.

    But, they caused such a riff with Maori, their own people broke away to create NZ’s first race based party. The gap between rich and poor expanded and they spent all the money on election bribes.

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  86. kiwi in america (2,510 comments) says:

    Whilst the snapper stunt was truly dreadful and got Shearer the most visible stick, it will be his falling in Key’s ‘hefalump’ trap (as Jane Clifton so deftly called it) regarding the hitherto secret meeting with Key over the GCSB that was the last straw IMO. Not only was Shearer so totally owned by Key but his failure to tell colleagues and Norman coupled with his failure to get traction in the reputable polls after all the big policy announcements meant he was already on thin ice. Tuesday’s PQ just executed the coup de gras.

    Its hard to game Shearer’s replacement until we know whose hats are in the ring. The 40/40/20 electoral college really complicates things and makes it more likely that a 3rd middle way candidate could succeed as Cunliffe and Robertson will polarize support. The right leaning ABC cabal won’t really want to back a homo because they’ll see Robertson as making it next to impossible for Labour to win back Wailtakere man and some Pasifika voters will stay home on that one issue. I would not rule out the union thug or the porn perv.

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  87. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    Robertson can only be good for the Conservonutters put them above 5% easy.

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  88. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    He’s floundered over a snapper. He is no eel and now knows his plaice. Maybe his herring isn’t what it was. His future is bleak, but he doesn’t carp about it.

    Neither is he a lyre tail, though he may lie and tell a tale.

    He’ll become a minnow in the party soon, and may skate to the back benches.

    Whether he is the best politician NZ smelt, or the worst, he’s certainly dropped off his perch.

    But he was a ray of sunshine that, sadly, had no sting.

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  89. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    Can nobody spare a thought for the two snapper who, as it turns out, were sacrificed so needlessly?

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  90. Bad__Cat (141 comments) says:

    I suspect that regardless who they pick, this will give them a boost in the polls.

    However, just like in Aussie, it won’t last. When the public realise its a case of SSDD (Same Shit, Different Day) the polls will revert to the low 30’s pretty quickly.

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  91. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Labour will win with Cunliffe as leader. Cunliffe and Key are the only credible Candidates for PM.

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  92. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    As someone who doesn’t want a Lab/Greens government: If Cunliffe can take the leadership and unite the party behind him (two big Ifs), Nats will lose next election – I’m calling it now.

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  93. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Thanks for that advice Tom, its so good to have such a solid resource on political credibility as yourself.

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  94. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Can NZ Labour afford that sort of train wreck?

    @davidp,

    Well it would seem that their members are desperate to see it happen. Cunners [faux] lurch to the left seems to have helped his support with the unions as well.

    He’ll win in a close battle and if Little stands it will probably take more from Robertson’s vote that his, making it a bit easier.

    I think Bill Ralston may have it right on twitter – he predicts that Robertson won’t stand and Cunners will get it uncontested. I just wonder if Cunners will let him keep the deputy role in exchange.

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  95. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    James Blake: You are new here, so I at least will cut you a little slack, and extend some courtesy…

    While references to “stinking faggots” etc are clearly unwarranted and unnecessary, the reality of Robertson’s sexuality IS a factor, whether you believe it or not, and whether you like it or not – especially among “Waitakere Man”, the kind of voter Labour badly needs to win back. They already HAVE the uni educated young (and not so young) who imagine themselves to be “workers”, or at least identify with what they perceive to be working class concerns, and are not particularly “Green”. And they probably also have some of the more insightful lefties who see the Greens for what they are – communists in a not so effective disguise.

    What Labour Dont have any more are enough “Waitakere (wo)men” whose concerns do not include “marriage equality”, and whether there are enough useless female unionists in the Labour caucus. THAT is why Robertson’s sexual orientation and his image generally is important. God knows who they will pick from a very uninspiring bunch, but if it’s Robertson, that will be great news for us on what you perceive to be the “extreme right”. Perhaps when you are a little older you will realise that most commenters here are nothing of the sort.

    I hope they pick Cosgrove…that nasty little bastard has a whole pile of skeletons in his closet….

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  96. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Thanks for that advice Tom, its so good to have such a solid resource on political credibility as yourself.

    You’re welcome. :)

    Seriously, who else is there?

    Judith Collins scares people. Steven Joyce is known as “Darth Joyce”. Robertson is a windbag; Little a dweeb; Ardern is too young; Jones is a taxpayer funded wanker.

    The current government is scandal plagued. The only thing keeping it up was the breeze block of a Labour leader.

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  97. stu-tron (45 comments) says:

    It’s a Sicilian message…it means he sleeps with the fishes…

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  98. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    While references to “stinking faggots” etc are clearly unwarranted and unnecessary, the reality of Robertson’s sexuality IS a factor, whether you believe it or not, and whether you like it or not – especially among “Waitakere Man”, the kind of voter Labour badly needs to win back. They already HAVE the uni educated young (and not so young) who imagine themselves to be “workers”, or at least identify with what they perceive to be working class concerns, and are not particularly “Green”.

    Things have changed. It’s not that they imagine themselves to be “workers”, but the fact that the old are screwing them over that will have them vote Labour.

    And they probably also have some of the more insightful lefties who see the Greens for what they are – communists in a not so effective disguise.

    Only someone who didn’t understand communism could write that. The Greens are milquetoast environmental liberals.

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  99. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    It’s a Sicilian message…it means he sleeps with the fishes…

    You win the thread.

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  100. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    DG: “James Blake: You are new here, so I at least will cut you a little slack, and extend some courtesy…”

    If he keeps posting as he began I confidently predict he will abuse that courtesy by the end of today.

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  101. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    @Tom

    That may have been true under Jeanette Fitzsimons/Rod Donald, but I can’t remember the last time the Greens were on the news talking about environmental issues. Russell Norman’s background is Marxist-Leninist, and Metiria Turei is a self-described anarchist. That should give some clues as to the party’s current guiding principles.

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  102. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    “Nothing could have prepared him for dealing with this lot,” Finlayson told reporters.

    “The Labour Party caucus is probably the most feral and unpleasant group of people you could ever have to deal with.”

    Gold.

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  103. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Did Shearer use that $500K he has offshore to punt on the iPredict stock about him being removed before next election?

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  104. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    That may have been true under Jeanette Fitzsimons/Rod Donald, but I can’t remember the last time the Greens were on the news talking about environmental issues. Russell Norman’s background is Marxist-Leninist, and Metiria Turei is a self-described anarchist. That should give some clues as to the party’s current guiding principles.

    The Greens have tacked liberal in recent years. Ask a real Marxist-Leninist what they think of the Green Party and you will get an earful. Anarchism is not straightforwardly communism either.

    The Green Party is a wet liberal party with a soupçon of environmentalism. It is in no way a revolutionary party, not even a crypto-revolutionary party.

    You want the NZ communists? There’s probably a couple of hundred left.

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  105. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    I would not rule out the union thug or the porn perv.

    A first term party lister and a brotocratic onanist ?…get real!

    Centre right swingers will flock to Labour in droves if Cunners can cut the deadwood that is Mallard, King and Goff free. The Greens have already shored up the left.

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  106. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Case in point. Here are the “aspirations” of the NZ Green Party:

    1. Each of us is aware of the land, water, air, energy and materials we use, knows how to use them sustainably, and takes responsibility for doing so.

    2. A thriving new economy, rich in creativity and meaningful work, results from business and the community sector embracing their social and environmental responsibilities.

    3. Government uses indicators of quality of life and human and environmental wellbeing to measure economic success.

    4. We understand our different histories and have developed local and national relationships that are grounded in Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

    5. People are secure that their essential needs will be met, and they have the time, resources and ability to participate in their communities and develop their potential.

    6. Negotiation, mediation and peacemaking are the primary means of resolving conflict.

    7. Our unique plants, animals and ecosystems flourish as the scale of human impact is reduced.

    8. Energy demand is stabilised and supplied from renewable resources.

    9. All rubbish becomes resources; toxic substances which do not break down harmlessly are phased out.

    10. Food production, processing and distribution are environmentally sustainable and provide a healthy, affordable diet for all.

    11. Power imbalances are reduced and resources are shared more equally.

    12. Those who have plenty learn to say “enough” so that all may have enough.

    13. Science and technology serve human needs and the biosphere within an ethical framework.

    14. We nurture creativity, wisdom and life-long learning.

    15. The main focus of New Zealand’s international work is environmental integrity, peace, justice and human rights.

    16.We protect our sovereignty and enhance sustainability by controlling corporate power in the public interest, limiting foreign control of our land and becoming more self-reliant.

    So 11 and 12 probably sound the most communist, but in practice are compatible with social democracy. The rest is either a load of blether or an attempt to regulate the market by including environmental externalities in policy and providing subsidies for clean energy projects.

    In no way, shape or form is this the removal of the basic welfare state model of capitalism that all advanced societies have. My bet is that many Green voters don’t know that, but more fool them.

    The Greens aren’t going to abolish capitalism, because most of their supporters are well-heeled, tertiary educated, white people, who do just fine out of capitalism.

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  107. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    In 3…2…1….

    In completely unrelated news, Helen Clark has resigned from the UN.

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  108. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    David Garrett (4,125) Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Praise where its due David. That comment showed the stuff M.P.’s should be made of. I respect the things that deserve respect, I’m not a total cow! :-)

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  109. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    Douglas Adams – quite an impressive visionary:

    So long, and thanks for all the fish

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  110. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Case in point. Here are the “aspirations” of the NZ Green Party:

    Tom Jackson, other socialists such as; Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, all made wonderful promises of a better world. What they delivered was another thing entirely. The left put ideology ahead of people. It is their biggest failing.

    That may work for the mindless masses who are too lazy to look beyond the msm, but it won’t go unchallenged here on KB.

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  111. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Tom

    The Greens have tacked liberal in recent years. Ask a real Marxist-Leninist what they think of the Green Party and you will get an earful.

    They may consider themselves progressive, but they are liberal only on some issues. A number of their policies are arranged around either increasing taxes upon, restricting or banning things; including certain classes of imported goods and services (a blanket ban on GE products in particular, despite this position not having a shred of scientific underpinning). They also want to prohibit certain content from free to air broadcasts and control the mix of media ownership.

    Anarchism is not straightforwardly communism either.

    No, but I didn’t say that. Nevertheless the type of militant anarchism she was involved with had radical leftist roots.

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  112. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    None of that sounds radical. Even the environmental stuff. The radical environmentals want us to eat dirt.

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  113. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    Part of the reason for Key’s dominance is that no-one goes toe to toe with him over financial policy. I do not know Robinson’s credentials in this area, but Cunliffe has both the intelligence and clarity to shake Key. As for Labour members not liking Cunliffe, perhaps Labour party members need a leader they don’t like to unify their otherwise seeming preciousness, especially when that preciousness is bent on their own, irrelevant to most of us, internal politics.

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  114. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    I don’t think insanity can be usefully described as radical.

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  115. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: You might be right that I “dont understand communism”…who does? Even regime which tried it failed, supposedly because the promoters/leaders “didn’t properly understand Marxism/Leninism”… And while I have a degree in politics, I readily admit to a dearth of papers in politcal ideology among my academic record; I was far more interested in how things actually work – like political parties – than ideology…

    Perhaps the Greens could be better described as hardline statists and suppressers of dissent…what I find very interesting is none of the young seem to notice just what paralells there are between all on the left and the fascists: only certain thoughts being allowed; a completely bogus version of history (for the Italians and Germans it was an imaginary race of Aryans; for the Greens the Maori were the greatest race since the Romans); the great emphasis on state control and against individual freedom…even the phrase “politically correct” could have been coined by Goebbels…

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  116. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    12. Those who have plenty learn to say “enough” so that all may have enough.

    Has anyone in Labour all the Greens actually ever had a real job? Teachers, lecturers, unionists and policy advisors do not count.

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  117. Yoza (1,908 comments) says:

    There isn’t a huge amount political parties can do to implement radical change through the parliamentary system. You only need look at what happened to the New Zealand dollar when the Clark regime came to power and pretended they were going to tack mildly to the left, the dollar dropped to under 40 USc (from memory) before Clark and co. began doing backflips and promising it was to remain business as usual.

    Cunliffe is the only person Labour should be considering and he needs to develop a democratic system within the Labour Party that mirrors the efforts the Greens put into allowing the participation of their members.

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  118. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    How things work depends upon the time and place. It does not preclude the need for policies that gain rational assent because humans are beings that reason, and reason smells out lies. Marxism worked as a marketing tool for gaining initial popular allegiance because many of its ideas are reasonable. That the allegiance was betrayed once the power was won is history and speaks no ill of the reasonableness of the ideas. That the right buries the ideas along with the history speaks to the venality of the right whose faith in “how things actually work” ignores both the role reason plays and the fact that the economic system that describes that working reality is an artifact of human thinking held in place by all manner of forces that oppose dissent.

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  119. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    The radical environmentals want us to eat dirt.

    Tom, People have eaten dirt under the famines caused by socialists. Look it up and see for yourself.

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  120. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: You might be right that I “dont understand communism”…who does? Even regime which tried it failed, supposedly because the promoters/leaders “didn’t properly understand Marxism/Leninism”… And while I have a degree in politics, I readily admit to a dearth of papers in politcal ideology among my academic record; I was far more interested in how things actually work – like political parties – than ideology…

    It’s a logical truth that the latter is a waste of time without the former. If you don’t have some coherent idea of what an optimal or at the very least “better” state would be, then it’s not clear why you would bother with politics or what you would hope to achieve. Not understanding why you would want to make a political change means you probably shouldn’t try to effect it.

    As for the various versions of communism, none have anything to do with the policies of any major NZ party, even the Labour Party. Hell, our National Party is well to the left of Obama’s Democrats.

    Perhaps the Greens could be better described as hardline statists and suppressers of dissent…

    Not at all. There’s nothing particularly hardline about the Greens or any of NZ’s political parties. They favour more state intervention than the average NZ party, but, as I said, adhere to the basic form of welfare state capitalism that all developed societies have. However, that’s far from statism, state capitalism, or even heavy interventionism such as occurred in South Korea’s development.

    what I find very interesting is none of the young seem to notice just what paralells there are between all on the left and the fascists: only certain thoughts being allowed; a completely bogus version of history (for the Italians and Germans it was an imaginary race of Aryans; for the Greens the Maori were the greatest race since the Romans); the great emphasis on state control and against individual freedom…even the phrase “politically correct” could have been coined by Goebbels…

    If you are talking about fascism as an ideology, this is plainly false. No NZ party comes even close to adopting any of the tenets of classical fascism. Every political ideology compromises some freedoms to secure others.

    If you are talking about an authoritarian mindset, then the science doesn’t support that. In fact, the further a politician is to the left, the likelier it is that they will score low on the accepted scale for measuring psychological authoritarianism. The further a politician is to the right, the more psychologically authoritarian they are likely to be. It was the opposite in the old communist countries where the left were the established authorities. You can blether about it all you like, but that’s a scientifically established fact. Bob Altemeyer has published several dull tomes on the subject.

    In fact, the constant right wing complaints about enemies of freedom and how a group of political authoritarians seeks to undermine basic freedoms are absolutely true. They just happen to be a form of self diagnosis. Witness the constant antipathy to women, Maori and homosexuals on this blog.

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  121. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (895 comments) says:

    ross69 (2,805) Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Will we get our first openly gay PM?

    I thought we already had one.

    ross69 – loser, this PM has cleaned up the communist dictator Helen Clark, useless Fill Gap and the mumbling Sheep – bring on the other losers…..

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  122. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    In fact, the further a politician is to the left, the likelier it is that they will score low on the accepted scale for measuring psychological authoritarianism.

    That is a blatant lie. You are no doubt parroting the propaganda of some lefty academic. Go tell the people of North Korea, USSR, China and East Germany that line.

    You have a cheek to call socialist propaganda “scientifically established fact” and you need to have long hard look at yourself and your defense of one of the most murderous and cruel ideologies in modern history.

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  123. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t think the two were incompatible. Communist states are not Marxist, they are businesses run by dictatorial CEOs for the benefit of those dictators. Socialist states actually embrace some of the useful ideas expressed in Marxist ideology and I can believe their adherents are compassionate.

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  124. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    This is a classic: David Shearer’s Resignation – The Opera

    I think it would even cheer Shearer up.

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  125. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    I’m not certain that Shearer would need much cheering PG. Without the worry about fronting an inept bunch of backstabbing fools he’ll probably sleep better tonight than he has in ages.

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  126. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Socialist states actually embrace some of the useful ideas expressed in Marxist ideology and I can believe their adherents are compassionate.

    ste3e, you can believe it based on what evidence ?

    Your attempts to disassociate socialist regimes from Marxist doctrine is disingenuous. If you are disgusted by the history of your ideology, then it is your ideology that must change, not history.

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  127. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    nasska – yes, once he has got over the embarrassment of the moment he is likely to rest much easier. He might even start to act like himself soon.

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  128. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Tom: Well, it certainly is interesting that you are so clearly certain that a political science degree – indeed studying poilitcs at all – is a complete waste of time unless you first have a thorough – and no doubt “correct” – grounding in Marxist theory. The late Professor Keith Jackson and other first rate academics I studied under would no doubt be amusedly interested in your views on what a “proper”degree should include.

    But, since we have the benefit of your learning and wisdom, perhaps you could explain the differences between what you have called classical fascism – by which I presume you mean the Italian version in the 20’s – and the Green/hard left ideology that I have sketched out at 6.33. I’m sure you will be able to fill in the gaps in my and others’ knowledge in a succinct and easily understandable way that those of us with lesser intellects than you can follow.

    Perhaps you could begin with explaining the differnce between the re-education programmes of the 1930’s fascist (and communist) regimes, and the camps Catherine Delahunty is proud to have run to teach people to think correctly

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  129. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Noticed at Shearer’s press conference that Shane Jones was strutting , and Mallard looked like he’d just been pushed off his bike into a duck pond by Whale Oil. He’s low down the pecking order out of sight but thinking he pulled the strings, and that could be done for.

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  130. Keeping Stock (10,432 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (7.31) – Grant Robertson was a very noticeable absentee at Shearer’s presser. That seems to be at the most charitable to be very odd, or being less charitable outright and openly disloyal. On that basis, I would be excluding Robertson from consideration right now.

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  131. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Ok, who had the 22nd of August?

    John Key – what a cheeky little bastard!!

    I’m on my fourth leader

    The smiling assassin says with carefree joyous glee. He was clearly pleased as punch with Shearer gone by lunch.

    John certainly seems utterly relaxed… a man enjoying his time at the top, at the peak of his powers…. and loving it!!

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  132. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    Kea, I would turn the question back on you; what about so called communist states adheres to Marx’s ideas? Stalin was known to implement social structures in Russia that made him dictator, where did Marx suggest that strategy? How could living under those structures be considered living in a communist state?

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  133. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Shane Jones – he’ll be able to pull his colleagues together.

    Can you imagine what will happen every time the Tugmiester stands up at question time?, pure gold. I hold nothing against him for having several quick ones off the wrist, however, I was peeved that he was too fucking miserable to pay for his own porn.

    Jones,Silent T, Robertson or Little. My money is on Silent T. he’ll get the job and it will take about 6 months or weeks for NZ to realize what a total scum sucking bottom dweller he really is.

    The next twelve months are going to be brilliant.
    The Prime Minister will administer the death of 10,000 cuts to labour. I expect them to have totally bled out by election day 2014.

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  134. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    Robertson is too ambitious to stand and lose in 2014. Better to let Cunliffe lose then become leader 2014 to 17. Far better chance of winning in 2017 versus a 4 term government. Only problem is that Cunliffe could win 2014 so make sure he does not.

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  135. Tookinator (221 comments) says:

    I just heard a rumour that Rajen Prassad has put his name forward….

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  136. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Only problem is that Cunliffe could win 2014 so make sure he does not.

    He’s a prick, he’s Kevin Rudd without the Charm.

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  137. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    In his resignation speech today David Shearer said that he does not have the full confidence of his caucus colleagues which means that a challenge was underway and that the challengers had the numbers. Standing with him during the announcement were Mallard, King, Faafoi, Hipkins and Jones, supporting David during his time of need.
    Notably absent was Grant Robertson whom presumably was part of the challenge.
    In consideration of the challenge and Labour’s convoluted process for selecting a leader, all of that would of already have taken place when the numbers were called, and a new team has already been selected and is in waiting with Cunliffe as leader and Robertson as deputy. Shadow cabinet portfolio’s would have been offered to the new team and all that remains to be seen is who was offered what.
    Cunliffe has the experience and political nous to close the gap and present a real challenge to National next year, the goal of the new lineup would be to gain an extra 5 – 10% on top of their latest 34%, and then it would be game on.

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  138. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Tookinator – no, he was actually asked this afternoon, a journalist must have found him by accident, and he said he was too old. Does anyone know how old he is?

    KS – I’ve already made my pick in Who should lead Labour?

    I doubt the Labour caucus will put personal ambitions, interests and egos aside, but they have to look different and with some balance (two blokes won’t cut it), hence I think Cunliffe (the only choice for leader) and Ardern as deputy. She is underdone now but Labour have to look further than the next poll, and further than the next election. They desperately need to reinvent themselves.

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  139. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    PEB: I have to say I think Cunliffe is a good bet…although Robertson would be much less electable, and thus better for us on “the extreme right” … I have heard Cunliffe many times in the House…he was far and away their best speaker, not that that is in itself conclusive…but I suspect he’d get a very easy run from the pinot gris socialists in the media, and that is significant…he is, after all one of them…just with a lot more dough and a better gaff…

    But I do so hope Cosgrove gets a prominent position…the man who managed to lose his luggage not once, not twice, but three times when travelling as a Minister, surrounded by staffers…and that’s just a wee taste of the shit the Nats have on that little bastard…

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  140. duggledog (1,589 comments) says:

    12. Those who have plenty learn to say “enough” so that all may have enough.

    The cheeky little bastards. What is ‘enough’? What a completely pious, pompous, odious, esoteric, mental, vacuous thing to say IN PRINT!

    Why can’t the MSM rip the shit out of them saying stuff like that? It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. The poorest low life in Tokoroa has ‘plenty’ compared to the average Tokelauan so what the fuck do we do there Russell?

    It’s got to be Cunliffe, the Herne Bay thing is meaningless next to the Parnell thing, the tragic bro thing is worth about one column inch and Labour simply have to get a harder edge to drive the mental Greenies (see above) away and back into the rough. It’s all about getting away from the Greens.

    Plus Cunliffe is tall. Would look good on a podium head to head with Key. Let’s face it he’s the one Labour guy Key would rather not go toe to toe with. It’s only taken this long because Labour is internally retardsville

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  141. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Many of us were suprised that Goff remained in the leadership for as long as he did. It seemed at the time that most contenders in Labour knew that whoever was leader was on a hiding to nothing and taking on the leadership prior to certain defeat in 2011 was political suicide. I do not see any new reason for optimism within Labour at this time. I wonder if they do?

    For my 2 cents worth, Labour is a party without a central focus or ethos. Each faction has it’s own agenda but there is no central purpose. Are they a workers party? A social engineering and equality party? a rainbow party? a socialist party? a third way party? There is no unifying purpose. They need more than a leader, they need a uniter of purpose. I do not see any one person in the caucus who could do that while putting aside their own factional issues.

    Cunliffe will piss of the union base. Robertson could alienate the workers, and at the same time seriously affect the Pacifika vote where the question of his sexuality may be at odds with the strong christian thread that flows in that community. Little would spook the centrists. Jones would piss off the environmentalists and womens faction. Goff has had his chance. Annette King has not been mentioned, but as a past deputy leader with a high profile, could be a dark horse, but it would take a person with the patience, drive and charisma of Mahatma Gandhi to achieve true unity of purpose for Labour in it’s current form.

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  142. Keeping Stock (10,432 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe? Bring it on…

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  143. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    man who managed to lose his luggage not once, not twice, but three times when travelling as a Minister, surrounded by staffers…

    Now now DG its bad enough he was born a mono brow, a dwarf and compounds this by being an M P from Christchurch without aspertions being cast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I’ve only heard rumours what a total arsehole he is, I’d like to hear more.

    anyhow

    You can roll a turd in glitter but it’s still a piece of shit – that’s all that will happen with the labour party, dip a new leader in glitter but everyone knows it will still stink underneath

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  144. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    Duggledog, how can you believe every NZer has more than a Tokelauan when NZ no longer has a welfare system that ensures no NZer needs resort to begging?

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  145. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    LOL. The carpet inspector.

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  146. Keeping Stock (10,432 comments) says:

    That “greasy little fulla in the blue suit” line and the faux ghetto accent of Cunliffe will come back to haunt him come election time. Praise The Lord for YouTube :D

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  147. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    slightly: I think that’s a very good summation of the problems they face, and the lack of identity they are all trying to find….I almost never go over to the Standard – very bad for my mental health – but have a look over there just now…They are like a pack of snarling dogs, all biting and shitting on each other…the few gracious enough to “thank DS for his service” getting mauled and savaged along with the rest! Loooong may this continue…

    And that’s only the comments that are not “moderated” by the champions of free speech who run the bloody thing!

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  148. hj (7,066 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (1,416) Says:

    Centre right swingers will flock to Labour in droves if Cunners can cut the deadwood that is Mallard, King and Goff free. The Greens have already shored up the left.
    ……………
    Cunners = more of the same:

    ” “Claims that immigrants improve the economy, introduce new technology and grow the business sector are being exaggerated,” Clydesdale said. “Much of the literature suggesting immigrants bring in new technology and contribute to a growing business sector is misleading. “There is often no economic evidence to support the claims made.” He quoted Department of Labour figures that showed only 2% of business immigrants introduced new technology. Many new arrivals under the business, investment and entrepreneurial categories bought existing businesses such as restaurants, cafes and takeaways, Clydesdale said. “There is little new activity. There’s no added value, it’s just a change of ownership,” Clydesdale said. There were also very real costs. “An extra $3600 a year in your pocket, or more immigrants? “The question is one New Zealanders should be considering because it sums up the relationship between rising mortgage interest rates and our current immigration policy,” Clydesdale said. He estimated people with an average $160,000 fixed mortgage would be be $3600 a year better off if rates had remained steady in the latest Reserve Bank rate hike. “Of course, immigration is not the only force driving inflation, but we only need to get inflation down within a limited range to stop the interest rate increases,” Clydesdale said. “Dramatically reducing immigration may keep inflation within that range, without the economic casualties. “The Government’s current policy mix is putting real estate agents ahead of exporters.” Cunliffe said he had seen the research, but disagreed. “House prices are a complex phenomenon which reflect the interaction of a wide variety of factors,” he said. Those factors included interest rates, wage levels and population growth, of which migration was just one component. “Net migration is itself a balancing factor between people leaving New Zealand and people arriving,” Cunliffe said.”

    http://www.nnnforum.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-100635.html
    “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil”?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/453047/Pacific-migrants-drain-on-economy

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  149. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe PM in 2014

    Ye Gods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could you imagine that?

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  150. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    KS

    It would have gone better if he hadn’t said “we have David Shearer here.”

    But I don’t agree with the faux “ghetto accent”. There are plenty of kiwis who work their arses off and talk like that. The difference is that they aren’t arrogant and patronising arseholes who will say anything to satisfy their own egotistical agendas and get off by saying: “I’m in charge around here”.

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  151. hj (7,066 comments) says:

    “Stop the asset sales” just goes over peoples heads. People will (if they think about it) ask how am I connected to that asset?

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  152. ste3e (119 comments) says:

    We are connected to that asset via the tax we do not have to pay because the asset is returning a descent return to the government coffers rather than a private individual.

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  153. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    If Robertson and Silent T go head to head the loser will have to be gonesville surely? No way GR would let DC stay around sharpening a knife for another go? Robertson white anting Shearer was half the problem, have they learned anything?

    Will GR have a go now or wait till next time?

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  154. Keeping Stock (10,432 comments) says:

    @tdvm – the point with the accent was that it was so obviously faux; Cunliffe trying to be a man of the people at Avondale Market before retiring to his Herne Bay residence which most of those at the market couldn’t even dream of.

    And don’t get me started on Hawke’s Bay District Health Board or we’ll be here all night!

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  155. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    “5 David “it puts the lotion on or it gets the hose” Parker?”

    dime, thanks that is brilliant, it had me cracking up big time :)

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  156. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

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  157. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    So this is good for New Zealand and bad for whoever gets picked as the next Labour Leader loser?

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