The Youth Parliament Walkout

August 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Winona D’Costa reported last week:

Going into not a single Youth MP could have predicted that there would be a walk-out during a fellow Youth MP’s speech.

Speaking on the recent passing of the Definition of Marriage Amendment Bill , Kura Waller Youth MP for Te Ururoa Flavell chose to take a stand against the bill.

In protest the majority of the Youth MPs walked out during Kura’s speech. This goes to show that Youth MPs really did receive the whole experience of being a real MP walk-out included. Like any regular politician she bravely carried on voicing her opinion despite staring at a now almost empty debating chamber.

I think those Youth MPs who walked out made a bad mistake, and undermine exactly what Parliament is for – to debate issues and views. Unless someone is up there advocating genocide or the like, you should listen to what they say, and if you disagree with it – respond to it.

Walking out is a sign of .  I thought the speech by Kura Waller was pretty ridiculous as she claimed the Lion King said gay people can’t reproduce (it didn’t, and they can) and she also said she was never told by her kuia and koroua that being gay was OK – which is more hostile to gays than what the Pope recently said. So I thought her speech was pretty bad, but again the far far far better response would have been a Youth MP responding to the speech than an intolerant walkout.

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58 Responses to “The Youth Parliament Walkout”

  1. muncha1 (19 comments) says:

    A Youth Parliament walkout is nothing new. 5 Maori YMP’s walked out on a speech in 2010 regarding race-based funding and university places.

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  2. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    If the Opposition MPs walked out on a regular basis, we’d see far more real work get done.

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  3. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    Youth parliament is a joke anyway. 99.9% of the public don’t even give a shit, and the 0.1% who do are MPs, YMPs, and their families.

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  4. Andrei (2,529 comments) says:

    I thought the speech by Kura Waller was pretty ridiculous

    Maybe so but not as ridiculous as gay “marriage” which of course is an absolute absurdity

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  5. nickb (3,673 comments) says:

    said gay people can’t reproduce (it didn’t, and they can)

    que? That is news to me.

    Two halves can’t make a whole without a hole! – cf Glenn Quagmire, 2013

    [DPF: You think a gay man and a lesbian woman can't reproduce? You'r confused]

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  6. Mark (1,406 comments) says:

    Sounds a bit orchestrated and demonstrates a lack of maturity not being able to hang around and articulate their disagreement to an opposing opinion. Then again probably not that much different from the mob that are in there from week to week.

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  7. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    MPs being laughably self-important, taking themselves too seriously, and grasping an opportunity to leave work early?

    They sound over qualified if you ask me….

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  8. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Is it April 1 again?
    Brainwashed callow youth pretending to be divas and prima donnas.

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  9. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    They all think the same. Growing up under the broad Progressive cultural influence in education media and entertainment, there is no other way they can react to dissent. They have never experienced the other side of the argument, and they’re like this on a lot of other subjects.

    It is cultural totalitarianism. Meaning a culturally introduced intolerance for alternative views.

    Those who walked out are typical progressives.

    This blog too is overrun with them.

    As for Kura Waller, whatever I may disagree with her on, I give her full marks for courage and individuality, meaning she’s probably about the only one in the whole cowardly collection who would be any worth in any future parliament.

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  10. thedavincimode (6,582 comments) says:

    C’mon folks, don’t be too hard on them. All our great leaders need to start somewhere:

    Russell’s first youth Parliament

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  11. Kleva Kiwi (281 comments) says:

    “pretty ridiculous as she claimed the Lion King said gay people can’t reproduce (it didn’t, and they can)”

    Wait what? Did human biology change overnight and nobody told me? Last Time I checked you needed a man and a woman to reproduce. I know all you touchy feely bunch like to retcon history and use unscientific methods to prove your points, but don’t you think your stretching it a bit far now?

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  12. UglyTruth (4,550 comments) says:

    Maybe so but not as ridiculous as gay “marriage” which of course is an absolute absurdity

    It’s how they roll. When the facts don’t fit your agenda, just change the language and act like nothing happened.
    Anyone notice how any kind of causal relationship gets expressed in terms of a permission, i.e. allowed to happen?

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  13. Psycho Milt (2,348 comments) says:

    Gosh, well, how can I explain this? You do know that men produce sperm, and women have a uterus and produce eggs, right? Well, as it turns out there’s nothing about “gay” sperm or “lesbian” eggs that prevent them making a baby.

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  14. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    If you want a thread ruined by off topic crap from some self engrossed knuckle dragging halfwit who thinks he’s funny, you don’t have to look much further than ol Kev the Narcissist.

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  15. anonymouse (706 comments) says:

    In protest the majority of the Youth MPs walked out during Kura’s speech

    Does anyone know actually how many this majority was?

    There is a fairly big difference between 61 yuff MPs leaving and 110 going,

    The use of such broad generalisations does not help accurate reportage….

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  16. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    Reports mentioned that she continued speaking to a virtually empty chamber, so it was almost all of the useless little progs.

    This is just more proof that our education system is brainwashing students, and it is only the strong and intelligent who can resist. The mediocre succumb willingly.

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  17. thedavincimode (6,582 comments) says:

    It’s uncanny really. I know the ravages of time have taken their toll, but all these years later you can still see the innocent young boy with the watermelon on his head.

    For rent

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  18. backster (2,106 comments) says:

    Those walking out I think showed the indoctrination on such matters by their teachers, rather than the inability of their parents to teach them good manners. As well it shows some sponsoring MPs made poor choices. Some though may have been following the example set by Winston.

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  19. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Interestingly enough, a survey conducted a few months ago by Hollywood Reporter, which is an entertainment industry beltway magazine, showed that a majority of “youth” in the US supported homosexual marriage mostly due to exposure to carefully sanitized portrayals of homosexual characters and lifestyles in TV shows and in film. The reality of the homosexual lifestyle is the polar opposite to the propaganda most people are regularly exposed to. Homosexual TV producers like Ryan Murphy (Glee, The New Normal) are using the power of mass media in an effort to get young people to swallow more and more of this cultural poison every year.

    If the average citizen was ever exposed to the scenes of conscience searing depravity that is the gay male lifestyle for the most part, the sexual militants entire campaign of deception would be finished overnight.

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  20. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    “It’s uncanny really. ”

    Give it a rest Kevin. You should really seek treatment from an OCD specialist if your obsession with ridiculing Redbaiter is going to make you disrupt every thread on Kiwiblog with your cowardly infantile crap.

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  21. kowtow (7,871 comments) says:

    Now they’re out can someone please shut down this tax wasting farce.

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  22. doggone7 (746 comments) says:

    “… those Youth MPs who walked out made a bad mistake, and undermine exactly what Parliament is for – to debate issues and views…”

    Discussing this the day after the Prime Minister goes on a radio show to suggest we are in peril from terrorists training in Yemen and the GCSB bill is up for debate and he is out of town?

    Until more people see Parliament as the place to address serious issues and debate issues and views instead of being a minor inconvenience, the Youth MPs acted according to the status the place has earned. We accept the so called leaders treating Parliament (and us) with disdain and we expect the one off Youth MPs to have a sense of occasion and respect?

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  23. Longknives (4,624 comments) says:

    I’m with Quagmire! Struggling to see how Gay couples can ‘reproduce’…
    Don’t be too hard on the little Prima Donnas- They have been indoctrinated with the onslaught of Gay ‘Culture’ by mainstream media (TV shows about all-Gay High Schools, Pop Stars having ‘Gayby Showers’ as they have already decided that their kid will be Gay and ‘fabulous’ etc etc)..
    It’s the height of fashion to be Gay these days!

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  24. graham (2,250 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt (1,410) Says:
    August 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Gosh, well, how can I explain this? You do know that men produce sperm, and women have a uterus and produce eggs, right? Well, as it turns out there’s nothing about “gay” sperm or “lesbian” eggs that prevent them making a baby.

    Technically correct. But if two gay men get married and want to reproduce, it doesn’t matter how many sperm they produce, if that sperm gets nowhere near a woman. In other words, a gay couple cannot reproduce without some outside help.

    JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?

    LORETTA: I want to have babies.

    REG: You want to have babies?!

    LORETTA: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.

    REG: But… you can’t have babies.

    LORETTA: Don’t you oppress me.

    REG: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!

    LORETTA: crying

    JUDITH: Here! I– I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can’t actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’, but that he can have the right to have babies.

    FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.

    REG: What’s the point?

    FRANCIS: What?

    REG: What’s the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can’t have babies?!

    FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

    REG: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.

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  25. Huevon (206 comments) says:

    This isn’t too different from what happens in real life.

    I’ve been at a couple of social functions where someone has uttered crimethink about marriage and liberal-types have turned on their heels and left.

    They seem to just go crazy when they encounter someone who doesn’t think like them.

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  26. Dazzaman (1,129 comments) says:

    Gay shit stinking up the place again…..Not pardoning the intended pun.

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  27. labrator (1,821 comments) says:

    Youth parliaments are always a self selective bunch who think their opinion is more important than anyone elses so it’s not suprising they’re not used to sitting through one they don’t like.

    I think if you ever become a youth politician it should automatically bar you from ever becoming a real politician.

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  28. Chuck Bird (4,734 comments) says:

    At least it would appear that none of the youth got sexually abused this time.

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  29. Mark1 (90 comments) says:

    Damn you Graham, you’ve got me going

    BRIAN: Are you the Judean People’s Front?

    REG: Fuck off!

    BRIAN: What?

    REG: Judean People’s Front. We’re the People’s Front of Judea! Judean People’s Front. Cawk.

    FRANCIS: Wankers.

    BRIAN: Can I… join your group?

    REG: No. Piss off.

    BRIAN: I didn’t want to sell this stuff. It’s only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.

    PEOPLE’S FRONT OF JUDEA: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.

    REG: Stumm.

    JUDITH: Are you sure?

    BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.

    REG: Listen. If you wanted to join the P.F.J., you’d have to really hate the Romans.

    BRIAN: I do!

    REG: Oh, yeah? How much?

    BRIAN: A lot!

    REG: Right. You’re in.

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  30. youngun (2 comments) says:

    I stayed behind (draws up red flags, yes I’m a Youth MP) -her speech didn’t actually seem mean, it was just a pretty bad speech. The transcript of the speech misses out the bit that best illustrates this, when, after declaring how against gay marriage she was, she accidentally said this was because ‘God created man for man’ before realising her mistake and having to change her words.
    I would say that the reason for the walkout was not just because some Youth MPs found it discriminatory, but also because we all had to hand in our speeches the week before and weren’t allowed to make changes to our speeches on the day, so that was the only way to show their opinion.
    But yes, I stayed behind to listen to the speech. How hard was it to sit through three minutes? And it’s fairly interesting to hear from everyone… Someone interrogated me about why I didn’t walk out afterwards: um, because I think everyone has an entitlement to an opinion, it’s not wrong just because it isn’t yours. People say far worse things all the time.

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  31. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    youngun, good on you for staying. I wonder how those that left would feel if everyone walked out when they were ardently addressing an issue of concern to them.

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  32. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    In case anyone missed it, PsychoMilt has some strange understanding of language. However, a gay couple can indeed reproduce…. with someone else. Sperm or eggs from Homosexual couples probably are completely indistinguishable from heterosexually derived ones, but one lot of sperm meeting another lot of sperm, or one egg somehow meeting another egg, just doesn’t create viable offspring except apparently in some fervid imaginations.

    I utterly defy you to find a gay couple who have successfully created and raised a child from only their own “resources”. Although cloning technologies may eventually allow Female gay couples to reproduce, I think it might be just a little longer before Male homosexual couples can produce viable offspring.

    And using “The Lion King” as an authoritative guide on what can or cannot reproduce seems a long way from reality. But entirely suitable I would think for the mental abilities of the YMPs.

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  33. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    And the knuckle dragging Conservative, sexual repressed drop-kicks swamp a thread again with their hate and insecurity in their made up God……boringggggg!!!

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  34. David Garrett (6,661 comments) says:

    Youngun: I also say “good on you” for staying…but I’m afraid you probably won’t go too far in progressive politics…they are all trained to think the same, and abhor not following the crowd…Other than on a conscience vote (which doesnt count, because there are no “sides”) I cannot recall a Labour or Green MP crossing the floor..but plenty on the “wrong” side of the House have…

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  35. Psycho Milt (2,348 comments) says:

    PsychoMilt has some strange understanding of language.

    Psycho Milt has an excellent understanding of the English language. Having read comments endorsing the statement “gay people can’t reproduce,” he felt obliged to point out the imbecility of such endorsements.

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  36. Andrei (2,529 comments) says:

    Having read comments endorsing the statement “gay people can’t reproduce,” he felt obliged to point out the imbecility of such endorsements.

    You’re being a pedant Milt – allow me to correct the phrase you are nit picking over so that the tiny ambiguity you chose to exploit is no longer there

    “gay people couples can’t reproduce,”

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  37. David Garrett (6,661 comments) says:

    Actually, before someone corrects me I will correct myself..Before he split off the Maori Party Hone Harawira sometimes voted against his colleagues.

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  38. thedavincimode (6,582 comments) says:

    Sorry Andrei, but you might find that he bounces back to ping you on that.

    Have another go and try to get it right this time. If PM dislikes bigotry, I imagine he dislikes sloppy bigotry any more. Quick, before he finds out.

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  39. Paulus (2,544 comments) says:

    Sounds as though some of the attendees were so immature that they did not deserve the privilege they received.
    Puerile children not fit for adulthood.
    But politically twisted already – how sad.

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  40. Fletch (6,104 comments) says:

    gay people can’t reproduce (it didn’t, and they can)

    It STILL requires a person of each gender to reproduce and even to have sexual intercourse (by that I mean coitus). That means a couple within a so-called “gay marriage” cannot reproduce, no matter how much they wish they could. It is medically impossible. Since part of the purpose (and some might say the MAIN purpose) of marriage is procreation, gay marriage undercuts the very foundation of marriage.

    The phrase “gay marriage” itself is contradictory, like saying “male sister” or “dry water”. It just doesn’t make any sense.

    As far as the walking out thing, it is not surprising that most politicians and most youth these day are liberal progressives without a sense of what is really moral. They take their cues from, and have been brainwashed by the media and other liberal politicians. I wish sometimes they’d actually have an original thought.

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  41. Fletch (6,104 comments) says:

    [DPF: You think a gay man and a lesbian woman can't reproduce? You'r confused]

    And why on earth would a gay man and a lesbian woman want to reproduce?
    The only possible reason would be for convenience, I’d say.

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  42. OneTrack (2,754 comments) says:

    Paulus, they were just following the “commandments” of their “religion” when dealing with “heretics”.

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  43. graham (2,250 comments) says:

    [DPF: You think a gay man and a lesbian woman can't reproduce? You'r confused]

    Sure they can, but as Fletch says why would they want to? My wife is past child-bearing age, so if I suddenly decide I want more children does that mean I can go out, find some random hottie and reproduce with her? Imagine the wife might have a thing or two to say about that.

    Technically you’re right of course – gay people can reproduce, but only by involving somebody from outside their relationship. And before someone jumps up and down about “neither can a straight couple where the woman is infertile”, the difference is that 100% of gay couples – all of them; the lot – will find this little conundrum affecting them, simply because it is physically impossible for two men or two women to reproduce.

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  44. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    DPF has been completely lost to the progressive, (il)liberal doctrine. Please, do not insist.
    No right-of-centre anymore, he is getting more pinko by the day.

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  45. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    Welcome to the future of NZ politics.

    As the state sanctioned inquisition against ‘heresy’ gains pace, we can expect increasingly limited discussion on anything that contains the letters G.A.Y.

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  46. UglyTruth (4,550 comments) says:

    Having read comments endorsing the statement “gay people can’t reproduce,” he felt obliged to point out the imbecility of such endorsements.

    The statement is ambiguous. It can be interpreted as meaning that gay people are infertile or that a gay couple can’t make babies. But in the original context of marriage it’s pretty clear what it meant.

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  47. gump (1,538 comments) says:

    @Fletch

    “Since part of the purpose (and some might say the MAIN purpose) of marriage is procreation, gay marriage undercuts the very foundation of marriage.”

    ———————-

    Do infertile couples also undercut the “very foundation of marriage”? They cannot procreate either.

    The problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact that many families are blended families.

    Gay marriage provides the legal foundation for families to incorporate children from the parent’s past relationships. Which seems to be an entirely sensible idea.

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  48. timshiels (3 comments) says:

    I was (am) a Youth MP, and will be blogging more fully on my experience on Monday morning. Despite(?) being a strong supporter of Marriage Equality and submitting to the Select Committee on the Bill, I did not walk out. I thought the walk out was immature and pathetic. Without falling in to the cliche of quoting Voltaire, she was just as entitled to hold her views against the reforms, as I am to hold views for the reforms.

    Despite strongly disagreeing with what she said, I participated in applause for her afterwards. She showed determination and a willingness to speak up for her views, something that did not deserve a “walkout” over. This is what makes Youth Parliament a better event than what too many people think. Strong and passionate debate about issues that matter- not just to youth, but to all New Zealanders.

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  49. peterwn (3,192 comments) says:

    Wonder how many were law students – an important art of being a lawyer is to be able to argue forcefully either side of a proposition depending on who you are representing. Similarly with being a MP – if your party supports X, you must if called argue in favour of X even if you are personally not in favour of it.

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  50. Steve (North Shore) (4,517 comments) says:

    The ‘Youth’ MPs have still got their hand in the pants thinking about who they will lay once they become MPs at the Taxpayer’s exspense. They are thinking ‘how can I prostitute myself and chew on the Taxpayer fat, and be a good Polititian?”
    Here are the future cork soakers

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  51. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    Despite(?) being a strong supporter of Marriage Equality and submitting to the Select Committee on the Bill, I did not walk out. I thought the walk out was immature and pathetic. Without falling in to the cliche of quoting Voltaire, she was just as entitled to hold her views against the reforms, as I am to hold views for the reforms.

    Good on you Tim!!

    Great to know that at least one of you can see the big picture.

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  52. Psycho Milt (2,348 comments) says:

    You’re being a pedant Milt…

    One man’s pedantry is another’s accuracy. A homosexual of either sex is as capable of reproduction as anyone else, and many if not most do reproduce. Quibbling over whether they could do it in some officially prescribed manner or not is the real pedantry here. New people are created under all kinds of unofficial, unapproved, inappropriate or downright unpleasant circumstances every day, and always have been.

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  53. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    New people are created under all kinds of unofficial, unapproved, inappropriate or downright unpleasant circumstances every day, and always have been.

    Is that the ideal though PM??

    It seems to me that the real problem people have is to do with upholding ideals, whether they be biological ideals or social seems irrelevant.

    There is an entire discussion surrounding this ‘issue’ that simply never fucking happened.

    We have gone from one preachy set of moralists to another without so much as a pause on the middle ground.

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  54. gump (1,538 comments) says:

    @Shunda barunda

    “There is an entire discussion surrounding this ‘issue’ that simply never fucking happened.”

    ———————-

    There has been a discussion. It started in 1974 when Venn Young introduced a private member’s bill to decriminalise homosexuality.

    We have spent 39 years discussing this issue. Exactly how much more discussion do you need?

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  55. Fletch (6,104 comments) says:

    The thing is, that no discussion was ever had on what marriage is and why it matters.

    The whole liberal argument seemed to be centered around an emotional appeal to ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’, invoking people’s cousins, relatives, family, friends who were gay and how they ought to be treated the same. No one bothered to ask or to look back and wonder at the wisdom of previous generations and why the institution was limited to man and woman.

    The whole question of the welfare of children was almost completely ignored. This should have been a HUGE factor in the decision making; but no – the wants of adults trumped the needs of children.

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  56. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,568 comments) says:

    Wait just one cotton picking minute. I recall Fletch saying that marriage was only for reproduction. When he was backed against the wall about it, (ahem) he was torn apart and couldn’t explain himself. Why discriminate against those parents who don’t want kids or perhaps the mother or father who cannot have them? To him, they should not get married at all.

    And he, Redbaiter, Andrei and the rest of the god botherers here that have turned this blog into a sewer are confused. Very confused. Life and liberty without causing harm to one another are dirty words in these pretend “right wingers” lives. They rail against freedom, choice and liberty because it doesn’t fit into their little red book, in their world it’s the bible. Their words of hate and accusations about progressives are reminiscent of the Salem witch trials. Why would any self respecting person on the right associate themselves with these people or be able to sleep at night promoting freedom only to then take it away from so many, be it women, gays or people of colour – all of whom have or still are the enemy of these people.

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  57. ChardonnayGuy (1,169 comments) says:

    Hey, if Kura Waller didn’t want that sort of reaction, she should have chosen some other subject. And you’re telling me that other youth and adult MPs haven’t done exactly the same thing on other subjects? It’s a shame that Te Ureroa Flavell made such a bad choice for his Youth MP, given his own forthright support for marriage equality.

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  58. JesseMedcalf (1 comment) says:

    There are two key pieces of misinformation in this article that render much of the opposition to the walk out unjustified.
    1. There was no opportunity for a response, the Youth Parliamentarians had been warned against points of order and all their speeches were pre written. If we had the opportunity to respond through dialogue, we would have.
    2. Miss Waller had walked out of another member’s speech about 10 minutes earlier. When that’s the established response to an intolerant speech, it’s the most logical method to use. I’m not saying that two wrongs make a right, but if you walk out of someone’s speech, you consent to that being a legitimate form of protest.

    Also, those who see this view as acceptable, don’t understand that there’s a distinction between arguing against something being accepted in a definition, and implying that those relationships are not acceptable in society. If the same speech were given about a racial group, I can assure you that the older, less progressive generation would view it in the same way that we do today.
    Yes, we’re young, we’re more progressive. But discrimination is disgusting, and will not be accepted by the most tolerant generation yet.

    Sincerely, the first Youth MP to stand up, leave, and be absolutely proud of it.

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