Why not close at 6 pm?

August 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Kate Chapman at Stuff reports:

One-way doors from 1am and shutting bars from 3am is the best to curb problems in Wellington, police say.

Why stop at 1 am and 3 am? How about 11 pm? or we could bring back 6 pm closing – I mean that worked so well in the past.

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20 Responses to “Why not close at 6 pm?”

  1. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Wowsers on the march (aided by some cops and nanny-state bureaucrats).

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  2. sassycassy (46 comments) says:

    Why not prohibition? …if cops think that will reduce crime…Yeah Right.

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  3. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Any of you guys ever driven through K-Rd at 6am on a Sunday?
    It’s pretty fucking feral.
    Just sayin’…

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  4. flipper (4,232 comments) says:

    Yep ..
    It sure did. Sly grog was alive and well….especially in Bassett Road, Auckland. :)

    Two items:

    1. VUW Students once played a wonderful capping day stunt during the debate over the abolition of 6pm bar closing.

    As copies of the Dominion newspaper were delivered throughout the city that morning, students trailed the delivery vans and carefully replaced the billboards with one headed : The Dumbonian. It read- “Govt decides, 10pm closing starts tonight”.
    (I still have a copy lf that billboard!)

    and

    2. When the Holyoake Government did put the issue to a referendum, Jus Min Ralph Hanan was so worried that the wowser lobby would win that he persuaded KJH and The Cabinet to put up another issue for decision – a vote on whether to extend the Parliamentary term from 3 to 4 years.

    As Ralph confided later:” I believed that the public always wants to vote against something. I wanted them to vote for late closing, so we gave them something to vote against.”
    So …

    Would it not be sensible to hold a referendum, requiring the election of a labour/petersparty2/Commissar red melon Government, at the next GE ???
    and a the same time
    Have a vote on a proposition to introduce a flat tax rate of 19% on all income over, say, $20,000 pa, ?????

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  5. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Yet another example of laws made by our arrogant police force and not our elected representatives. This along side the police misusing public funds to lobby against legal highs. As an occupation group police are the worst judges of people and stituations. They need to be brought under control and taught their place. As far as I am concerned the police do not even need to have an opinion about these issues.

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  6. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    The six o clock swill wasn’t all bad…..at least it gave us young blokes a chance to develop speed drinking. Knock off work at 5.30, in the pub 5 minutes later. A couple or three jugs on board & a few bottles to take home, we’d be shoved out the door at 6.15. A hit of the fresh air then pile into the car for a trip home. No breathalysers & provided that you didn’t actually fall out of the car if stopped by the traffic officer usually officialdom was happy that it was all over for another night.

    Somehow I just can’t see it working in this day & age.

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  7. Chinarugby (95 comments) says:

    Excellent from the Police and the Coincil – go for it!

    Feral cretins can go elsewhere to create their mayhem – ever seen Queent St at 5 am in the morning – vile!!!!!!

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  8. flipper (4,232 comments) says:

    Kea and Nasska…,

    Yeah it was like that….

    But Kea… you must NOT forget that the Molesworth Street Cowboys (aka The Gang in Blue) are our version of “The Sword and The Shield ” – the South Pacific’s KGB! :)

    Kea, agree: their job is to enforce the law as decided by The Parliament. Their (The Gang in Blue) increasing appearance on local government issues is cause FOR CONCERN.

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  9. decanker (184 comments) says:

    I see you’re using the same argument as why not raise the minimum wage to $20, $40, $100??

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  10. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I am not “anti Police” but I am firmly against their senior managers acting as a lobby group to restrict our freedoms. If the cops do not like dealing with pissed idiots, then they made the wrong career choice.

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  11. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    The laws are already sufficient in this area. There is strong host responsibility legislation that makes it illegal to serve someone that is showing signs of, or is intoxicated. Enforce the existing law – its there for a reason – all they have to do is put pressure on those that are supplying copious quantities of alcohol to those who are already intoxicated. No need to change anything, just enforce the law as it stands.

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  12. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Chinarugby, might want to piss off to Saudi Arabia by the sounds of it. Most of those people you see wandering around at 5am are law abiding people who work hard all week and pay their taxes. They have fun, then go home and have a sleep, causing no problems to anyone.

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  13. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,754 comments) says:

    What would Saudi Arabia do?

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  14. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    “What would Saudi Arabia do?”

    Take care of Chinarugby’s drinking problem.

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  15. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    nasska – “Somehow I just can’t see it working in this day & age.”

    You don’t know until you try.

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  16. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    The problem isn’t alcohol, it’s drunk people.

    Limiting supply of course works, but it impacts those who can drink properly.

    Clearly the solution is for the courts to enforce proper penalties for those who commit violence and anti social behaviour whilst drunk.

    Jail time is expensive so perhaps Singapore style beatings would work?

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  17. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    perhaps Singapore style beatings would work?

    Alan, I am sceptical of your opposition to violence. If you want to be whipped by authority figures, I suggest you hire a hooker and let the rest of us live in peace.

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  18. ByterNZ (26 comments) says:

    Why can’t police just do their job? If there’s someone causing mayhem because they’re drunk, then lock them up, and charge them with assault, disturbing the peace, et al. If there was serious enforcement, with immediate consequences that could ruin your life, then that would be a much bigger disencentive than any attempts to control the hours of the nightclub.

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  19. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    I’m right with DPF on this one 100%

    One-way door policy after 1am is insane. 1am is effectively closing time. That’s fucked mate. Fucked.

    I want to see crime stats and a cause/ correlation with premises being open deep into the morning.

    Of all the people who enter a club etc on any given weekend… how many of them are committing an arrestable offence? Or something more than a very minor offence? What percentage?

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  20. MT_Tinman (3,263 comments) says:

    Corrupt little piglets should be seen and not heard!

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