Will it be Christie vs Clinton?

August 17th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

has pretty much all but declared he will seek the 2016 Republican nomination. His major message – he can win.

Politico reports:

Christie said his blunt, tell-it-like-it-is style makes him attractive to people who have not voted Republican before and said that polling shows 95 percent of Republicans still support him.

“You don’t have to sacrifice your base voters to win Latino votes,” he said. “You don’t have to sacrifice your base voters to win a share of African-American votes. You don’t have to sacrifice your base voters to be able to win building-trade votes. You don’t have to sacrifice your base voters to close a gender gap and turn it in the other direction.”

He noted that he is on track to win 35 percent of Democratic votes in a state where the opposition has a 750,000 voter registration advantage, and that polling shows he’s winning independents 3-to-1.

Impressive figures.

Then he boasted about a string of endorsements: “This year for governor I’ve been endorsed by the Latino Leadership Alliance of New Jersey, the largest Latino political group in the state, and they’ve never before endorsed a Republican for statewide office,” he said to applause.

“I’ve been endorsed by the executive director of the Black Ministers Council and 24 intercity African-American ministers,” he went on. “If you listen to the national media, you’d think this could never happen, that African-American leaders of this country will never stand with Republicans. We’re going to show you in New Jersey this year that that is simply not true.”

“Lots of folks talk in our party about a gender gap, and we have a gender gap in New Jersey, too,” he continued. “The last public poll showed that I’m winning women 59 to 30 in New Jersey. We have a gender gap, a plus-29 gender gap in New Jersey. And, by the way, I’m running against a female opponent!”

Some of those endorsements may be because he is obviously going to win anyway, but there is no doubt he has wide appeal.

Christie repeatedly made the point that these people do not agree with him on 100 percent of issues.

“Our party’s got to get back to looking people in the eye, not try to figure out what they want to hear,” he said. “I tell folks in my state all the time if you’re looking for the candidate you agree with 100 percent of the time, go home and look in the mirror. You’re it. You’re the only person you agree with 100 percent of the time, alright? If that’s the litmus test, forget it!”

Christie left no doubts in the minds of Republican leaders gathered here for the party’s summer meeting that he will begin actively running for president after he wins the expected coronation in New Jersey this November.

There was a recent poll asking people to rate some politicians from 0 to 100 for favourability. Christie topped the field:

  • Gov. Christie – 53.1
  • Secretary Clinton – 52.1
  • Sen. Warren – 49.2
  • President Obama – 47.6
  • Sen. Gillibrand – 47.6
  • Sen. Cruz – 46.8
  • Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida – 46.5
  • Vice President Joseph Biden – 46.2
  • Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley – 45.7
  • Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal – 45.2
  • Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky – 44.8
  • New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo – 43.9

What is interesting is the breakdown by party affiliation:

  • Gov. Christie – 59.8 GOP/53.2 DEM
  • Secretary Clinton – 77.7 DEM/31.6 GOP
  • Sen. Warren – 65.0 DEM/32.3 GOP
  • President Obama – 76.3 DEM/18.2 GOP
  • Sen. Gillibrand – 58.5 DEM/37.2 GOP
  • Sen. Cruz – 65.6 GOP/24.5 GOP
  • Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida – 65.1 GOP/32.9 DEM
  • Vice President Joseph Biden – 69.5 DEM/23.8 GOP
  • Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley – 53.7 DEM/41.3 GOP
  • Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal – 59.4 GOP/29.7 DEM
  • Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky – 61.6 GOP/23.8 DEM
  • New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo – 55.0 DEM/34.1 GOP

Every other politician has a huge split on party lines. Christie is unique in his cross-party appeal. If he can win the nomination, he would be a nightmare for Democrats in the main election.

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38 Responses to “Will it be Christie vs Clinton?”

  1. David in Chch (523 comments) says:

    Is Christie starting this early to make it clear that he will run, in order to stop others from running? That way, he could have a clear run, and the usual infighting would be minimised. It will be interesting to see if the fundamentalist right-wing of the Republican Party yet again sacrifices the possibility of winning to maintain ideological purity. And who would Christie choose as a running mate? That can have some influence too. The governor of Louisiana?

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  2. TheContrarian (1,091 comments) says:

    Christie vs. Clinton would be an interesting fight and probably the best shot the republicans have (given that he isn’t completely crazy like Bachmann, Trump, Santorum, Perry etc). Though Rubio could be another possibility.

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  3. ChardonnayGuy (1,211 comments) says:

    Problem is, Clinton has foreign policy gravitas and could easily point out that it was under her watch as Secretary of State that the United States tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden. Given the amount of grief that still exists over 9/11, that’s got to mean something at the polls.

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  4. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    I can’t wait for the press conferences when we have Christie in the White House and Boris in Number 10…

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  5. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    He has charisma, but he seriously needs to lose some weight. He won’t make old bones the way he is.

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  6. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    The real q is will it be Christie against Rand Paul in the presidential race?

    http://www.randpaulreview.com/2013/08/heres-the-proof-hillary-clinton-deliberately-lied-about-benghazi/

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  7. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Clinton and Christie. Two useless progs. Fuck em both.

    And here go the Repubs again trying to put up a useless compromiser who will lose because by his own words he believes in nothing but winning.

    Like Romney and like McCain, Christie is a weak stand for nothing loser, and here are the stupid party doing a rerun of 2008 and 2012 for 2016.

    Time for a third party, whatever the outcome.

    The Repubs are just hopeless and no longer worthy of a skerrick of support from Conservatives.

    Unless they nominate Ted Cruz.

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  8. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “I can’t wait for the press conferences when we have Christie in the White House and Boris in Number 10…”

    Hopeless. You really think these two poseurs will bring anything different?

    FFS, NZers are like Cubans, such victims of propaganda, so stunted and uninformed in their political perceptions they wouldn’t have a clue.

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  9. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Decades of incomplete, distorted and biased information have resulted in only a minority of Cubans possessing the ability to analyze issues related to politics, economics, or any event occurring in the world. ”

    http://translatingcuba.com/neither-so-educated-nor-so-superior-miriam-celaya/

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  10. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    “Clinton and Christie. Two useless progs. Fuck em both.”

    Agreed. Clinton is nothing more than Obama in a dress, and Christie is an appeaser towards Muslims.

    My choice would be someone like Allen West. He knows his stuff (and that includes a very good knowledge of Islam which is why he is so critical of it).

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  11. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    I didn’t like Christie after his sucking up to Obama after hurricane Sandy.
    The two were like bosom buddies.

    Impressive figures

    Christie indeed has an impressive figure.

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  12. TheContrarian (1,091 comments) says:

    “Unless they nominate Ted Cruz”

    Technically Cruz can’t be president – this has been explained to you Red. He is a born Canadian and if the Republicans try to argue he can be president it’ll create a huge shit-storm given how loudly some of the right complained that Obama can’t be president.

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  13. kowtow (8,731 comments) says:

    Clinton has foreign policy “gravitas.” Bollocks.As Secretary of State her administration had to invade an “ally” who couldn’t be trusted not to tip off Bin Laden,I’d say that’s a real feather in her foreign policy cap…..not.

    Then there’s Sarajevo ,where she dodged bullets……not and last but not least Benghazi.

    She’s just another political class non entity with the leftist media behind her.

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  14. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    Do you guys know Christie is about to switch to the Dems

    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/gov-chris-christie-to-switch-parties-t11478.html

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  15. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

    Problem is, Clinton has foreign policy gravitas…..

    ROFLMAO – this clip says it all

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  16. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    Will Obama and Christie be campaigning together again?

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  17. thedavincimode (6,869 comments) says:

    When will El Guava formally announce his candidate endorsement? The world waits.

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  18. Bad__Cat (141 comments) says:

    Note that while Christie may lead Republicans in overall popularity, he is currently barely fourth in popularity among Republicans themselves. Leading that group is Sen. Ted Cruz, who has not put a foot wrong in terms of Republican policy ( unlike other forerunners Christie & Rubio)

    Contrarian is wrong, he is eligible as his mother was a US citizen.

    What the GOP needs to do is rally around a man of the future rather than a recycled also-ran if they are to have a chance in 2016.

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  19. berend (1,715 comments) says:

    Yeah, let’s got another “he can win.” What he will do when he wins? Who cares?

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  20. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Hmm interesting with the USA right wing bellowing that Obama was born a Kenyan subject it seems their memory is not good.
    Cruz was born a Canadian subject which means he cannot be president, at times it would have been a lot smarter for the right wing to keep their mouths shut over nationality

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  21. iMP (2,419 comments) says:

    Christie is an appealing candidate on so many levels. His biggest asset, he’s a cut-thru-the-crap candidate. If he appoints a latino VP early on as part of his ticket, he will be unstoppable.

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  22. TheContrarian (1,091 comments) says:

    “he is eligible as his mother was a US citizen”

    Then if Obama was born in Kenya then he is eligible too.

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  23. David in Chch (523 comments) says:

    Actually, Bad_Cat, the US laws make it clear that he cannot simply have American parents. He must have been born in the US. So Cruz can’t legally run for President unless they change the laws.

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  24. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    I look forward to Clinton v Christie if that’s what the primaries produce – One pretend conservative and one pretend lefty battling it out.

    Whatever happened to Redbaiter’s man Paul Ryan?

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  25. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Christie mustn’t start his run too early, …his knees won’t hold up.

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  26. the conservative (66 comments) says:

    Christie or Clinton?

    So the choice is between progressive and progressive light–much the same as we have here.

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  27. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    Christie vs Clinton would be a car crash of a race.

    Both candidates rate very low on charisma and likeablilty.

    I expect neither will be their parties nominees. I can’t pick who will be but both parties should be able to find candidates with more warmth than these two.

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  28. Kovac (29 comments) says:

    It seems that there is some disagreement as to whether or not Ted Cruz can run for President given that he was born in Canada. I would be interesting to see him run if just to see them forced into clarifying the issue of what a “natural born” citizen must be.

    The impression I get is that the result would be no.

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  29. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    I have a cousin in the US who is far left. The sort who thinks Romney was an extremist… Anyway, he likes Christie.

    I’m not sure that’s a great endorsement.

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  30. Manolo (14,029 comments) says:

    He’s nothing but a bulky, obese RINO.

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  31. big bruv (14,127 comments) says:

    The trouble with the stupid republicans is that they will team Christie with a moronic, bible bashing, gun loving Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin type as the nomination for VP who will fuck things up as per normal.

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  32. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    Clinton is perfect for the Left; she is an inveterate liar.

    Whitewater-gate, S&L-gate, Travel Office-gate, Cattle Futures-gate, Missing Files-gate, Hubble-gate, Vince Foster-gate, Lippo/China-gate, Benghazi-gate, etc.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/hillary_clintons_legacy_of_scandal.html
    http://www.caintv.com/watergate-era-judiciary-chief

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  33. Don the Kiwi (1,793 comments) says:

    Cruz does qualify. I spoke to an American lawyer friend of mine who live in Illinois and is a die-hard Repub, and hates Obama. However, when the question first arose a few years ago about Obama’s eligibility, he told me that it doesn’t matter if he was not born in the USA, but that his mother, who is natural born, qualifies him.

    Cruz would be a good pick.

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  34. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Arnold Schwarzenegger must be allowed to run for US President.

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  35. BlairM (2,363 comments) says:

    I’m sick of moderate Republicans telling their party to nominate them “because they can win”. See Gerald Ford, George HW Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney. All the post war GOP nominees who became President ran to the right of their main rivals. The only exception was George HW Bush, and even that was because he was coasting on eight years of Reagan, and his main rival was Pat Robertson FFS! The reality is that people won’t vote for a fake Democrat when they can have a real one, but they will vote for a real Republican over a Donk. Christie will be one of another long line of losers if he is nominated.

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  36. BlairM (2,363 comments) says:

    Arnold Schwarzenegger must be allowed to run for US President.

    Sure, because he did such a great job of running California that the whole country must be allowed to experience his competence first hand! Seriously?!

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  37. BlairM (2,363 comments) says:

    Note that while Christie may lead Republicans in overall popularity, he is currently barely fourth in popularity among Republicans themselves. Leading that group is Sen. Ted Cruz, who has not put a foot wrong in terms of Republican policy ( unlike other forerunners Christie & Rubio)

    Contrarian is wrong, he is eligible as his mother was a US citizen.

    I’ve actually met Ted Cruz. He is hands down the most impressive politician I have ever met, and I’ve met a few. Entirely possible he may elect not to run, but whether it is this cycle or another, he is formidible, and I hope to see him in the White House one day. He’s the real deal.

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  38. Bad__Cat (141 comments) says:

    David in Chch (455) Says:
    August 17th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “Actually, Bad_Cat, the US laws make it clear that he cannot simply have American parents. He must have been born in the US. So Cruz can’t legally run for President unless they change the laws.@

    I don’t think so – McCain ran for president in 2008, he wasn’t born in USA but in the Panama Canal Zone, and no-one made a fuss about that.

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