Future Green Ministers

September 24th, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Eddie at The Standard thinks Cunliffe has assigned portfolios in such a way to leave some of them free for the in a future Labour- Government.

I agree that this does appear to be the case, and is quite smart in terms of coalition relations. So what does this suggest Cunliffe has in mind for Green Ministers:

  • Russel Norman – Economic Development, Energy
  • Kevin Hague – Health
  • Kennedy Graham – Climate Change
  • Eugenie Sage – Conservation
  • Julie Anne Genter – Transport

Eddie think thanks Turei could be better to remain a non-Minister so she can concentrate on being a co-Leader who is not tied down with Ministerial portfolios. Not sure she would be so keen on that.

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37 Responses to “Future Green Ministers”

  1. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    Julie Anne Genter – Transport

    That is reason enough to pray these whackjobs never see power.

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  2. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    Hahaha Norman with economic development. Couldn’t think of a more unsuited role for this closet communist! He is more interested in wrecking the economy then developing it.

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  3. Zapper (1,033 comments) says:

    It sends a very very cold shiver down my spine. Would New Zealand recover?

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  4. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    Cunningham.

    Yeah Norman will “develop” us back to the stone age.

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  5. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    What a terrifying list.

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  6. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    What are the Greens polling? 12%?

    So if they drop to say 8%.. does that mean only 3 ministers?

    Surely 3 is enough to set this country back 20 years

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  7. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    What does the Minister of Economic Development actually do?

    At least they don’t appear to be leaving Minister of Finance open for him…

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  8. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Bring it on.

    If New Zealand voters think these brain damaged idiots will bring them a high standard of living then those voters need to get the message as soon as possible.

    Seems the only way some people will learn.

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  9. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    I like how you wrote a sensible concise post, then edited it to add the words “brain damaged”… :lol:

    That’s not me thumbing you down btw…

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  10. slernz (33 comments) says:

    I’d be very concerned if Eugenie Sage was given a cabinet position in any government, except perhaps in North Korea. She was incompetent as a Ecan councillor, and she is one of the reasons why that council was so dysfunctional that it was disbanded, and she has done nothing in the meantime to change my opinion. Scary nightmare what she would do to the NZ economy.

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  11. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    slernz –

    I think Her Worship the Mayor of Wellington, Celia Wade-Fuckwit, is a pretty good example of what happens when you get an incompetent lightweight Greenie elevated too high above her level of ability: Nothing much.

    Just a few years of the bureaucracy chugging along on its own with the Minister ostensibly “in charge” asleep at the wheel.

    Come to think of it, in central Govt that’s probably a fairly good state of affairs :-)

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  12. PaulL (6,048 comments) says:

    @RRM: yup, that’d be ideal. There’s no evidence that governments really ever solve anything, so a government that’s paralysed and unable to pass any law is probably better than one that passes law that’s mostly bad.

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  13. campit (467 comments) says:

    Julie Anne Genter – Transport

    That is reason enough to pray these whackjobs never see power.

    Why do you say that? Her support for an evidence based decision making process, and her opposition to tax and spend and the PPP rort will win her a lot of votes I think.

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  14. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Looks fine to me as long as Ging acknowledges economic arguments pro and con.
    What role will Delahunty get Minister of Pakeha Affairs?

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  15. hane (69 comments) says:

    Indeed Genter is a lightweight compared to the noted transport expert and economist Gerry Brownlee.

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  16. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    I’d be very concerned if Eugenie Sage was given a cabinet position in any government, except perhaps in North Korea. She was incompetent as a Ecan councillor, and she is one of the reasons why that council was so dysfunctional that it was disbanded, and she has done nothing in the meantime to change my opinion.
    ……………………
    the problem is when it comes to development with so much earning power at stake there is only one answer. Objection is pointless.
    But the Greens only have themselves to blame:

    Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says.
    https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy
    Im a realist

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  17. King Kong (45 comments) says:

    Why would Labour give the Greens anything. They have proven time and time again that they are Labour’s bitches.

    Who else would the greens support in a coalition? Do you really think they would not give Labour confidence and supply if the alternative was another National led government.

    The only reason you would give them anything, is so you have someone to blame when it all goes pear shaped. Very much how National use the ACT party.

    In that case it would only be a couple of useless portfolios like womans affairs and the environment. Maybe Turei could have some role on an obesity taskforce. Her first hand experience of being a fat greedy pig would be invaluable.

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  18. MT_Tinman (3,263 comments) says:

    dime (7,246) Says:
    September 24th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    What a terrifying list.

    You’re not kidding!

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  19. KevOB (267 comments) says:

    You have got to be joking: the Greens couldn’t even manage a duck party in a bath tub. The greens are mislabelled communists and for Cunliffe to woo them will return the country to the pre 1951 days.

    As for climate change ministers their time is coming to an end too; even the IPCC doesn’t believe it own leaked report. http://wp.me/p2EPg0-NB and http://wp.me/p2EPg0-Wa

    The next 12 months in the Green v Magenta world are going to be exciting.

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  20. mandk (1,020 comments) says:

    If the Greens ever came to power, the last person to leave the country wouldn’t have to turn off the lights.
    Electricity supply will have disappeared already.

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  21. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    The Green Party narrative is disfunctional. Their commitment to the dangerous idea of Tino Rangitiratanga existing with our established society and institutions aside they are forever pushing the minuate of the environment while neglecting the well being of our existing (oops: settler state ) community under Nationals policy of population increase.

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  22. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    If National ruled the country young people wouldn’t be able to afford a house in their own country thanks to unfettered immigration, foreign buyers and buddy-buddy rules for property investors.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

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  23. wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:

    You’re so right hj. I mean, it’s not like we could build more houses or anything is it.

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  24. AG (1,832 comments) says:

    Kevin Hague – Health

    This seems to accept and build on Eddie’s confident claim in his Standard post that “Annette King will almost certainly retire at the next election”. Haven’t we heard that tune before?

    Here’s you, back in 2009:

    Having said that I do not think King will announce her retirement in 2009. I would expect it more mid 2010.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/dominion_posts_2009_predictions.html

    And here’s stuff.co.nz in 2011, declaring that:

    Her parliamentary ambitions are over, but Annette King may now turn her thoughts to the Wellington mayoralty.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6134945/King-may-run-for-Wellington-mayoralty

    So, I’d take any claim that King will quit in 2014 with more than a grain of salt. And really – would Cunliffe promote King to number 4 on Labour’s team, thus making her one of the lynchpin faces of his “government in waiting”, if she was planning on pulling the plug next year?

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  25. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    If this ever bore fruition, NZ would see the greatest percentage of unemployment in history. Many business operators are nearing retirement, having worked for more years than one can remember, so it would be time to sell, or relocate, whatever option the employment continuation and opportunities would be gone . . . this time forever. There would be no overseas investment, compliance costs through the roof (and they are bad enough now), bureaucrats would run roughshod with their envious attitudes, welfare would go out of control, properties would be worthless, banks would be foreclosing like no tomorrow . . . oh how lovely!

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  26. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (895 comments) says:

    WoW – What a team. Kiwis are excited with the amount of talent available in the Labour-Green government. With Kevin Hague as the health minister, alternate medicine and treatment like eating grass to cure cancer could come into play. Kevin could also introduce a dedicated Health Tax to fund research programs. Cannabis as a cure for blood cancer??

    Norman will be slapping more taxes on high income earners. I am sure all of you are excited to pay more to restore social justice. After all you need to work hard while others won’t move their butts off the sofa. But hey, it is not their fault. Why are you so successful? So you pay.

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  27. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Interesting comparison with Australia where, post election, both parties have come to the conclusion that the coalition agreement eroded their respective core support, and that the unease of their natural supporters was drowned out by the latte-sipping leftists in a few urban seats.

    Labor is concluding it was dragged too far left and the Greens noticed that groups like Forest & Bird etc didn’t mount their own pro-Green campaigns and have been told “well, you’re green in name only lately”. Cunliffe & Turei need to call their opposite numbers over here before getting down on one knee and making commitments of this sort.

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  28. BeeJay (72 comments) says:

    Cunliffe must be desperate to be PM if he would even give the groonies (green loonies) the time of day! Neither can he be very confident of getting enough of the popular vote to govern alone, without having to hold hands with the green Australian wanker and his dysfunctional cohorts. Doesn’t sound like any Labour Party I have ever known! The best outcome will be for the groonies to drop their bundle, almost a certainty in the current environment! They could finish up with just the green Australian wanker and his incompetent sidekick holding hands in the back stalls in parliament. Could have prime time interviews with themselves, nobody else gives a shit what they think!

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  29. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    I was trying to find a way round Rupert’s paywall at The Australian to link to more information on the fate of the Australian Greens as they’ve turned their backs on environmental issues. No luck, but came across this, from the greenies fighting to save the Great Barrier Reef. The highlights:

    1. What are the priority policies of the party ?
    2. Is the asylum seeker issue the number one policy or the environment ?
    3. Given the lack of any substantive focus on the Great Barrier Reef, Gladstone and the ongoing destruction of the World Heritage Reef, can the party explain why the Reef is not number one priority ?
    4. How many members and green politicians have links to the Socialist Workers Party ?
    5. It would seem that the policies of the ” greens” are more aligned with the aims of the Socialist Workers Party,
    6. How come the Coalition releases a policy on sea turtles and dugongs in the GBRWHA but there’s not a word of support from the Greens?

    Remember this is the site of a bunch of highly engaged, passionate and dedicated ‘green’ campaigners… but because their concerns are genuine, they’re prepared to acknowledge when the Coalition does something that advances environmental protection and would expect “their” party to support it.

    7. Did we all miss something or were there any speeches about the significant and ongoing loss of terrestial (sic) wildlife ? The kangaroo slaughter ? Catastrophic loss of koalas ?
    8 What kind of analyses have the greens done to address the social problems which must arise with Muslim male dominated asylum seekers and any integration into the community ?
    8. How many asylum seekers should Australia be responsible for ?
    9. Who will pay ?
    10. What jobs, accommodation, health care, education options are available for these asylum seekers and what are the ramifications for the community ?

    In Australia it is the Greens who’ve become the primary promoters of a policy of virtually unfettered immigration – provided you tear up your documents and arrive by boat, of course. If you’re, say, a New Zealander holding down a job and raising a family, or running a business and employing Australians then, as discussed on Kiwiblog some weeks ago, don’t even think about becoming a citizen, deserving a vote, or receiving any government assistance.

    The Australian result reveals another interesting fact about Green support, because the system here allows voters to state their second and subsequent preferences. And ABC election analyst Anthony Green says that between 20% and 25% of Greens voters have always allocated second preference to the Liberal Party – in other words, “blue Greens”. If the NZ Greens draw a similar level of support from such people, then they jeopardise at least a quarter of their base vote by adopting an approach to economic and social issues which is too far left.

    So it seems Green parties dabble in non-environmental left wing cause celebres at their peril. And Labo(u)r parties embrace Green parties which have moved in that direction at even greater peril.

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  30. Yoza (1,913 comments) says:

    The problem facing any Labour/Green coalition government is matching the expectations of it membership and those who vote for them with tangible results in the face of the opposition they will face from the powerful, predominantly foreign, few who own this country.

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  31. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    Following the Productivity report yesterday Norman came out and said the Greens would push for $1bill over 3years to be put into R&D via tax credits and grants. So he obviously still believes in printing presses as he is absolutely against asset sales to raise finance. Unless he is stupid enough to massively raise taxes on the wealthy –many of whom would own the businesses he is trying to attract with the R&D policy.

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  32. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I’ve actually got a bit of time for Kevin Hague, he’s not an idiot and he has stuck to his beliefs since his late teens. He is certainly the pick of that list above. Not saying I ever want them in a position to be ministers but there is streak of common sense in him.

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  33. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    Unless he is stupid enough to massively raise taxes on the wealthy –many of whom would own the businesses he is trying to attract with the R&D policy.

    Only Finance Ministers can raise taxes.

    He’ll be stuck with ED with no $$$ to do anything with as all the big spenders of Health and Welfare will get all the $$$.

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  34. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    ‘stuck with ED’
    Sounds like he’ll be needing viagra and something (or someone) to do…

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  35. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “I’ve actually got a bit of time for Kevin Hague”

    Thanks for that opinion.

    In my opinion he is an undemocratic bully. His performance on the Marriage Redefinition Select Committee means he’ll never ever have anything but my utter disdain.

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  36. lolitasbrother (751 comments) says:

    went around to Kennedy Graham Office, in Riccarton,I said
    its cold isn’t it, you know all this bush and clouds and dismal sad Dalzeil crap all around us,
    I said to him Kennedy, apart from the fact that you name is like Norman Russell,
    that is no person can spell it backwards
    I can put a coal fire in your Office and home now now for like not much money,
    He said you dog what is wrong with you, don’t you know about the apocolypse warming.
    We are all doomed he says …
    He said sadly
    “I want to die a martyr for the science of belief, we must believe in terrible consequences ”
    I left him there, sad and cold,
    he has not yet heard of the recalibrations of the climate panel, he has never heard about the lies,
    he had a balloon in his hand it said
    “unliife makes me climate drivel of all New Zealand and I am a believer .
    Apparently Eugenie was coming in next to his office, so i went away, and believe me jesus, she is very sad and cold
    also, it was just another idiot day with Green

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  37. Yoza (1,913 comments) says:

    Thanks for clearing that up for me, lolitasbrother.

    Now, at last, I understand!

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