Jones joins the lurch to the left

September 1st, 2013 at 3:29 pm by David Farrar

From Q+A today:

SHANE Number one, I will not write one single cheque the Labour Party cannot cash. Get that right from me. Secondly, there are some bastions that need to be overcome. The brown shirts of the food industry are the supermarkets. Under my leadership, they will be reviewed, and if it’s necessary to regulate them to bring the cost of food down, take my word, we will do it.

So Shane says the supermarket chains are akin to Nazis, and he thinks the Government should regulate the price of food.

Sigh.

DAVID What we did last time round was 39 cents with a pretty high threshold of $150,000, so we weren’t hitting middle New Zealand. We had a top rate for the wealthiest. We’ve got to be very careful to make sure that the trust rate is at or close to the top marginal personal rate, because we don’t want to create an avoidance—

So Cunliffe says the trust rate may also increase to 39%. Will they also increase the company tax rate to 39%?

DAVID What about a new civilian conservation corps to use carbon credits to subsidise the planting of trees up and down some of those dry areas on our east coast? We could get a whole lot of young New Zealanders out there on the hills planting trees and creating the Kaingaroa of tomorrow. The economics are pretty good if you get a carbon price of around $20. I think that’s a project worth pushing.

Oh dear, this could cost hundreds of millions. You see the global carbon price is not $20. It is 4.7 Euros. And in NZ it is even lower at 41c.

GRANT I’m about maximising the Labour vote, but let’s remember there’s never been a single party government under MMP. We will have to work with somebody. We’ve got a lot in common with the Greens, and we’ve got differences with them. We’ve got a lot in common with New Zealand First, and we’ve got differences with them. The voters will decide, but I’m with Shane. There has to be a four at the start of the Labour vote.

So two of the three candidates are pledging to get Labour to 40% or higher. They will get a honeymoon boost, but let’s see where things are early next year.

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27 Responses to “Jones joins the lurch to the left”

  1. PaulP (126 comments) says:

    Talk above re-writing history.

    The 39% tax rate kicked in at $60k not a “pretty high threshold of $150,000″.

    Still, never let the facts get in the way of a good story. And I thought Cunliffe was meant to be the economic brains of the three.

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  2. ftiman (9 comments) says:

    Actually, by regulating the food industry, Jones is actually putting on his NAZI uniform and goose-stepping down the road to authoritarianism. He’ll be burning books on capitalism next.

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  3. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    >Under my leadership, they will be reviewed, and if it’s necessary to regulate them to bring the cost of food down, take my word, we will do it.

    Maybe they can structure this the same way they intend to structure the electricity industry. Rather than have people buy directly from supermarkets competing with each other, the government would create a Ministry of Food. The Ministry would buy groceries in bulk from supermarkets, forcing the supermarkets to accept whatever price the Minister of Food decided was fair. Then the groceries would be on-sold to the public.

    This system worked well in the old Soviet Union, where people enjoyed affordable groceries for the minor drawbacks of hours worth of queuing every time you wanted to buy something and frequent shortages of products such as bog roll and spuds. These drawbacks can easily be avoided if shoppers stockpile necessities and plan their trips to the Ministry of Food so as not to inconvenience the Ministry.

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  4. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    Zimbabwe economics.

    Empty supermarket shelves.

    But still, power for Labour. So that’s okay.

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  5. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    These guys are doing a very good job of ensuring John Key gets a third term as PM

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  6. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    PaulP,

    He can claim he is correct on a technicality – “last time round” can be a reference to the 2011 campaign, rather than the last time in government.

    IIRC, the policy released for 2011 election was a return to 39% for income over $150k. Which was quite different from the actual policy implemented under Clark – which was 39% at a much lower threshold, as you pointed out.

    So a little disingenuous, but not something he could really be called out on for this leadership contest. I’m sure the correction would be made by National if he tried it during the campaign next year.

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  7. tas (527 comments) says:

    I find Labour’s lurch to the left scary. These policies are so backwards it’s not even funny. Does the phrase “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” not mean anything to them? Maybe the right should focus on delivering some economic history lessons.

    Useless. All three of them.

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  8. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    Oh dear!

    Rampant communism rearing its ugly head.

    Where has anyone archived that TV advert of the dancing Cossacks that Muldoon used to such great effect?

    Methinks, time to roll it out again – with some updated graphics and slogans.

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  9. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    As was asked on another thread today, why are these three fuck-wits proposing policy, which usually is the purpose of Labour’s annual conference?
    Surely the ‘contest’ is arguments as to which person would make best Leader, not who can redefine Labour, or in the case of Robertson reinstitute the ‘man ban’ which was recently emphatically rejected, or are they looking for a Leader who starts from the position that everyone else in Labour is wrong. That will really bring Labour together cohesively in the mind of the public.
    Hahahahah fucking ha

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  10. noskire (797 comments) says:

    Whoever wins the “leadership” of what is a deeply-divided Labour party will have a tough job on their hands. Helen Clark managed it with an iron fist, but her micro-management, neglect of pruning dead-wood combined with a lack of succession planning has left a cancerous wound in the Labour party that has been left to weep for too long.

    The new Labour leader will have a three-pronged battle: Appeasing the union-blocs, managing a caucus littered with members carrying bloodied daggers – members only to happy to unsheath them again if it concerns their self-preservation, and a bizarre desire by the Party to pitch further to the left, which will lead to a messy scrap with the Greens for that sector of the electorate.

    To add salt to the wound, John Key seems to be a man revitalised. His performance in the House this year confirms he is no political light-weight. The GCSB drama is history, the economy is on the up and his crisis management skills are good, all backed up by an over-all solid Ministerial team.

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  11. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Yvette: Under Robertson the first thing he would push for (forgive the pun) is adoption for weirdos. This is about the only evil and disgusting act they cannot perform.

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  12. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,786 comments) says:

    Under my leadership, they will be reviewed, and if it’s necessary to regulate them to bring the cost of food down, take my word, we will do it.

    I’ve heard this before somewhere.

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  13. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    ‘We could get a whole lot of young New Zealanders out there on the hills planting trees and creating the Kaingaroa of tomorrow’

    Typical language of the left and Judith. ‘We could… we should’ etc etc. Dreamers.

    So, Dave you’re going to get all these mythical young kiwis from – where, the East Coast – to battle up hills planting trees are you? They’ll get right onto that. This is the opportunity they’ve been looking for!

    Losers.

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  14. tvb (3,938 comments) says:

    They are worried about the Greens taking the socialist left vote, so they try and outbid the left. Meanwhile they leave the field clear for National to grab and cement middle NZ into their patch.

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  15. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    Ian Mck – adoption for weirdos

    As far as I know Ian, those in same sex marriages can now adopt – it was part of the law passed recently.
    Once the same-sex marriage law becomes effective in August 2013, married same-sex couples will be able to adopt children jointly. Unmarried couples and couples in civil unions, whether same-sex or opposite-sex, cannot jointly adopt children.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_New_Zealand#Adoption_and_parenting

    Others may confirm this.

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Translated:
    “I will promise anything, absolutely anything, I suck anything, absolutely anything to gain more power.

    I am political scum on a level not seen in New Zealand for many years, I am mediocre intellectually and politically. I am socially inept but I will chant,” tax the rich, tax the rich” to ensure my electorate feels good about themselves and will continue to be beholding to our party even though we secretly scorn them.”

    Fuck I hate these labour pricks, absolutely fucking despise them. No other job in the world allows you to lie bare-faced and never have to be accountable. Shit pure and simple.

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  17. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    When Shearer became leader I thought ‘Hooray! They have chosen the most sensible option (relatively speaking).” Naturally, I was later disappointed at the hare-brained left-wing lunacy that emerged. Now I am wondering if Shearer may actually have been doing a heroic job of stopping Labour lurching even further to the left than they had. Now, the brake is off and the lunatics are in charge.

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  18. orewa1 (425 comments) says:

    Just appalling for the future of NZ.

    The biggest problem in politics is the absence of a credible left opposition. I had hoped Labour, under a new leader, might provide this.

    But No. Idiot economics (yes, supermarkets are an appalling duopoly but need to be dealt with by the Commerce Commission rather than politicians.) Idiotic gender politics – (quotas for women/men/poofs – don’t they see the fundamental contradiction between parliamentary quotas and the “gender neutrality” of gay marriage?)

    New Zealand’s former democracy has been taken over by over-paid, ego-centric, super-ambitious “career politicians” with no sense or experience of the real world, who’s inflated sense of self importance belies any illusion that they are there for the greater good. Which of these three candidates would you trust to manage your corner dairy while you took a weekend off?

    We need a new political movement. A pre-requisite should be that candidates should be from outside Wellington, never have worked in the government system, and have some experience in the real world.

    Meanwhile Cunliffe is clearly the best of a bad bunch.

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  19. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    These scum are not lunatics. They are simply immoral thugs prepared to plunder and steal in order to pursue power and privilege for themselves and their state-sector union paymasters.

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  20. Alan (908 comments) says:

    He’s right in that the company, trust and top personal tax rate should all be the same. By having them different all you do is create work for lawyers and accountants. I suspect I’d disagree with him on what the rate should be though.

    The taxation bands are unfair to implement on a national basis though; I’d agree that someone on $150k – $200k a year in Dunedin could be called fairly well off; In central Auckland with a mortgage, you need both partners to be pulling that kind of wage to be considered well off.

    I strongly suspect that what we’re seeing is tossing a bit of red meat to the base, and Labour in government would be much less adventurous.

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  21. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Now, the brake is off and the lunatics are in charge.

    Fortunately all they are in charge of is the asylum.

    The risk is always real, but I take some comfort in the electorate rejecting their bribes last time: “not working for families”, GST off fruit & veges, first $5k zero tax(?). They also later rejected their housing claims, their manban, their racist house ownership policy, and their mates’ printing free money idea.

    Since 2008 the electorate has developed some immunity to the Left’s lolly scrambles.

    The risk is always there, but there is also more pragmatism and reality checking across NZ voters.

    The only Bedlam this lot will be able to cause is amongst their own caucus

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  22. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    The three socialist candidates can be called Fuckwit 1, 2 & 3. Any of them will ruin NZ.

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  23. Reid (15,513 comments) says:

    I strongly suspect that what we’re seeing is tossing a bit of red meat to the base, and Labour in government would be much less adventurous.

    No Alan, they’ll have to do it because those who vote them in will keep them to it. And if they don’t keep to it, one of the ones who lose surely will promise to do it, if they switch loyalties.

    This leadership contest is an absolutely perfect recipe for ongoing instability because when its all over, the two losers will be actively working to undermine the winner.

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  24. kiwi in america (2,330 comments) says:

    Jones is the only one that realizes power lies in the centre but he’s caught in the left wing bidding war because that’s the orientation of modern Labour. If this vote was held 30 years ago the candidates woud be hewing an entirely more centrist line with some left policies as befitting what Labour was for decades, a left of centre party. It’s base is now hard left and anxious to wrest that positioning off the Greens. The two front runners are merely catering to that internal electoral reality. Jones isnthenonly candidate likely to veer significantly to the centre if he wins (unlikely). Labour under Shearer had already began the left wing policy auction – his successor has locked it in concrete with this race.

    It’s almost as if National planted an influential activist deep inside Labour who lobbied successfully for the electoral college system of leadership vote. This primary and the unions’ swing vote power will hobble Labour with policies, a perception of being owned by the unions and a leader who will make them unelectable.

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  25. KevinH (1,128 comments) says:

    Mr Jones should note that service workers wear fluro vests today and not brown shirts. The hot button issues for workers are : health and safety, career development encompassing training and upskilling for a higher rate of paye. To low wage employee’s the living wage is attractive providing employers can afford it.

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  26. ste3e (89 comments) says:

    New Zealand has the second highest incarceration rate in the OECD, the worst suicide stats, appalling child abuse statistics, the most polluted river. I fail to see how you can think this is a good country.

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  27. CharlieBrown (785 comments) says:

    Unfortunately with John Key sitting firmly in the center left there isn’t much room for these guys to differentiate themselves unless they move left or to the center. Its a shame as I was hoping Jones would bring Labour more to the center.

    I hope cunliff wins as he won’t win the next election then a moderate can come in and walk into government when the nats implode in their third term (as happens to all left of center governments).

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