Jones lashes Curran

September 11th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

One News reported:

MP has opened fire on one of his caucus colleagues as the roadshow is about to wrap up in Christchurch.

Mr Jones, one of three contenders for the leadership, has told ONE News that in a Labour Party he leads, Dunedin South Labour MP would be so far on the outer she would be sitting with independent MP Brendan Horan.

That’s a massively harsh statement to make in public, and it gives you some idea how toxic some relationships are within the Labour caucus.

“Either the moon in Dunedin was in the wrong phase or she’s casting around for a new job,” he told ONE News.

They had been doing a fairly good of pretending to be civil for the first week, but it is all unwinding now.

“What happens in ’s camp or ’s camp ought not to be fed via the Twitter, then exponentially spread up and down New Zealand, only to confirm that the Labour caucus is unfit to govern,” Mr Jones said.

So Shane thinks Labour is unfit to govern! Oh the next question time will be fun!

But the quotes are even more damning in this Stuff article about why Cunliffe stood down :

“I’ve looked closely at that issue, I’ve made a decision to stand a person down from my campaign team just because I think maintaining the appropriate perceptions that we are a united party and a united caucus is really important,” he said.

Can you believe this. Cunliffe has said that it is only a perception that Labour is united, and that his actions are just about maintaining that perception!

The actual comments Michie made were, in my view, not in any way inappropriate. The question and answer was:

Rachel Okay, Grant Robertson Jennie says that he wants to be judged on his ability, not his sexuality. How do you think the socially conservatives might view Grant Robertson you know in the year 2013?

Jennie That’s right, I think it’s not a big a deal as it used to be. You know we now have gay marriage, and it actually went through without that much of a fuss, and the sky hasn’t fallen. Having said that I think we’d be naïve to imagine that there would be no resistance to a gay Prime Minister at this point. I think some people might have a problem with it, but I certainly wouldn’t.

Michie was asked a direct question. She did not bring the issue up. She was sacked for just telling the obvious truth – that of course some people would have a problem with a gay PM. Should she have lied and said that no-one would? She made clear she didn’t think it would be a big deal, but while same sex marriage passed with strong support, it did not have anywhere near unanimous support, and you’d have no credibility as a commentator if you denied that some people may have an issue.

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35 Responses to “Jones lashes Curran”

  1. Rich Prick (1,682 comments) says:

    See what happens when you stick them in the same room for a week. Imagine how nasty they will be in a year’s time when their factional backers start pushing the buttons.

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  2. Redbaiter (8,551 comments) says:

    The truth is many citizens are still very angry at the assault on traditional marriage and the way it was rammed through parliament by politicians who were never elected or asked to make such changes by the voters.

    The homosexualist movement is rightly copping the backlash for this, so when politicians like Judith Collins say such things as “I really don’t think many people care that Grant is gay.” they are out of touch and denying an obvious reality.

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  3. In Vino Veritas (138 comments) says:

    I think this says more about Clare Curran (and David Cunliffe) than it does about Jenny Michie. Her response was measured and reasonable. Anyone taking umbrage with it needs to sit down and take a long hard look at themselves.

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  4. hubbers (137 comments) says:

    I wonder if this will go on long enough for someone to prove Godwin’s law.

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  5. tvb (4,364 comments) says:

    Curran has direct access to Jones. She can raise anything she likes to his face. Instead she parades herself through social media. She got the response she deserves. She still thinks she has to put her views out there in public. As for the staffer making public comments on Robertson, She got what she deserved. Let that be a lesson for the others.

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  6. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Whale made an observation a while back to the effect that as a blood sport nothing beats a group of rats gnawing each other to death.

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  7. queenstfarmer (774 comments) says:

    Some refreshing honesty from Jones. He’s in a party without a leader, with no clear consensus on who should be leader, and he must look around at many of his colleagues with despair. He knows Labour is not fit to govern, and called it like it is.

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  8. ChardonnayGuy (1,199 comments) says:

    What “social conservatives” within Labour? Happily, most of the pack of disloyal, treacherous, equivocating sock cons either defected to other parties or were defeated at the polls or retired ages ago.

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  9. Nookin (3,282 comments) says:

    The comments were made before Cunliffe declared his position on the leadership. Robertson’s sexuality has been a nonissue during the campaign. Reference to the comments came about only because the Robertson camp perceived the Cunliffe camp to be gaining traction and Curran decided that they needed to be brought back a peg or two. She is a nasty piece of work.

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  10. journo (11 comments) says:

    With the divisions in the parliamentary Labour Party now so evident and apparently even more bitter than within the ALP, could a split be looming? Maybe the formation of, say, Real Labour under Robertson and King. It could potentially attract a reasonable number of MPs who either (a) have some support for this from within their local party establishments or (b) have nothing much to lose because they will be marginalised under a Cunliffe party administration.

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  11. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    The fact that so much is being made of “Where’s Alfie?” within the media,within Labour and in general through our society proves “we” are not “on the right side of history” and this whole homo marriage is normal thing is a lie.

    Otherwise it just wouldn’t be an issue ,when in fact it is.

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  12. flipper (3,985 comments) says:

    Lots of material for a Wednesday afternoon debate, and nothing that labour can now do to retract teeth that are drawing blood in all directions.
    Those and other comments will come back to haunt Labour for the rest of 2013 – and next year.
    Oh. What a pity. Never mind.

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  13. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    “Either the moon in Dunedin was in the wrong phase…”

    Did Jones just imply that Curran is on her period?

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  14. Cunningham (843 comments) says:

    Ha, the disasterous leadership sideshow rolls on. Way to shoot yourself in the foot (again and again) Labour. How can these idiots even be in the race to govern NZ?

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  15. BeaB (2,118 comments) says:

    I thought Michie gave exactly the right response. Cunliffe has massively over-reacted. Not a good sign of how he will lead if he jumps every time someone says boo.

    Of course Jones is suggesting, by blaming the phase of the moon, Curran is suffering from PMT. That will further endear him to the women of his party.

    And remember Shearer said on TV his caucus is ‘venal’. That word has only one meaning. What did he mean? Is the caucus not only divided but also corrupt? Why has no-one pursued this?

    What a sorry bunch they are.

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  16. scrubone (3,095 comments) says:

    She was sacked for just telling the obvious truth

    Staggering, isn’t it?

    Yet, surprisingly few people seem to think this is a problem.

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  17. BeaB (2,118 comments) says:

    journo
    Jim Anderton is dying for the limelight again and would quickly dump the cathedral fight to lead um ‘New’ Labour.

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  18. Ed Snack (1,849 comments) says:

    Yes, I’d be very surprised if Robertson doesn’t try to exploit that trump card (in the victimhood poker stakes) of his sexuality in the politically correct cesspit that is the Labour party. Sort of “you’re only voting against me because you’re homophobic” oblique references.

    Why don’t they just lock Jones, Robertson, and Cunliffe in a room with a selection of weapons and the one who gets out of the room is the leader ?

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  19. tvb (4,364 comments) says:

    Staffers should learn to shut up and be more discrete when commenting in public about MPs. Cunliffe did the only thing he could. I don’t care how competent she is when it comes to understanding her place she is dumb.

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  20. gravedodger (1,552 comments) says:

    David, that header needs a warning in the light of Shake Hand Shane’s tastes in personal entertainment in Hotel rooms are fresh in ones memory.

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  21. BeaB (2,118 comments) says:

    tvb
    She wasn’t a ‘staffer’ at the time of the interview and she gave a sensible, measured answer to a direct question.
    And, even if she was, she gave a perfect answer. Cunliffe is a prat.
    And you mean discreet, not discrete, though you are not alone as most of the media don’t know the difference.

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  22. burt (8,238 comments) says:

    I think Jones has missed the memo. ALL existing staff from the last leader must be retained by the new leader – It’s Labour policy you know !!!!!

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  23. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    By mentioning the “gay issue” as she did, Michie brought the issue to the fore. I do not think she meant to. She gave a considered and correct answer to the question.

    By sacking Michie, Cunliffe has kept the issue to the fore without tainting himself.

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  24. peterwn (3,243 comments) says:

    Seems Michie will undergo a rapid rehabilitation if David Cunliffe is successful.

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  25. OneTrack (3,023 comments) says:

    Slightly – and created another for himself – anti free speech

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  26. Paw Prick (43 comments) says:

    So the champion of the left, unions, workers sacks a member of staff for something minor she said 2 weeks ago?
    Do as I say not as I do?

    Also I totally agree it is just a cynical play from Cunliffe to keep Robertson’s sexuality in the news.

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  27. Ashley Schaeffer (472 comments) says:

    Michie has been treated incredibly shoddily. Hopefully she will see the light and abandon Labour like many of us have.

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  28. Redbaiter (8,551 comments) says:

    This whole silly farce just demonstrates that the Labour party is more committed to homosexualism than to the working class.

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  29. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    One gay and two metrosexuals having a bitch fight.

    And Little doesn’t come across much better – wearing those gay looking glasses of his. What a bloody pansy fool he is by passing up an oportunity like this to come across to the public as being a real kiwi bloke. Too scared of the femo bitches probably. Fucken wimp.

    A eunuch would be seen as being more manly leading Labour than these 4 poofs put together! :cool:

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  30. Warren Murray (307 comments) says:

    Labour in NZ and Australia have schismatic tendancies when high profile members dont get their way. Consider John A Lee (Democratic Labour), Mat Rata, (Mana Motuhake), Jim Anderton (New Labour), Peter Dunne / Clive Matthewson (United).

    The question is (as posed by Tracey Watkins, amongst others), will there be a split following this leadership change? Or will the loser(s) snipe at the new leader like they did with David Shearer?

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  31. Keeping Stock (10,299 comments) says:

    @ Harriet – I strongly doubt that even in their wildest imagination would anyone describe Shane Jones as a “metrosexual” :D

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  32. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “By sacking Michie, Cunliffe has kept the issue to the fore without tainting himself.”

    Exactly it lets him throw shit but keep his own hands clean. It’s good politics.

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  33. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    The geldings strike back

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  34. Ed Snack (1,849 comments) says:

    I don’t see any particular advantage in the Cunliffe camp bring up Grant’s sexuality, it does open them up to the charge of homophobia, and that runs a close second to racism as the killer charge on the left these days. That’s why Cunliffe reacted so drastically, of course that then opens him up to misogyny. It can be hard playing victimhood poker, you can never be quite sure that you have the winning “hand” (read complaint) ! Of course Shane has his own “hand” in the mix…

    And Grant gets to keep the sexuality issue in the mix, which is inside the labour party a significant plus. Sure it’s a negative possibly outside, with the voters etc, but that’s real world stuff and not all that important right now. There’s a bitch fight going on on if that means pulling hair and scratching faces to win then that’s what they’ll do.

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  35. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    Sacked for telling the truth.What have we come to!

    Well with MMP maybe its time for the Labour Party to split.

    If gay is so good and accepted then Robertson and co could start a Gay Party. Labour will go nowhere with the different factions all vying for prominence.
    Sad for New Zealand actually.

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