Key calls for UN reform

September 28th, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Prime Minister has used a speech to the United Nations to launch a scathing attack on the Security Council, warning that inaction over events like the humanitarian crisis in Syria had damaged its credibility.

In notes for a trenchant speech lasting nearly 20 minutes, Key said the was in urgent need of reform – a key pitch in New Zealand’s bid for a seat on the Security Council.

“Its key organs, particularly the Security Council, have become hostage to their own traditions and to the interests of the most powerful,” Key said.

“We now seem to have a practice whereby the permanent members can not only block council actions through the veto. They also appear to have privileged access to information and can stop the council from meeting if it does not suit their collective purposes.

“Such behaviour damages the reputation and credibility of the wider organisation and must be challenged.” …

Key has been in New York drumming up support for New Zealand’s Security Council seat bid.

He said New Zealand was not advocating revolution “but we are asserting the council can and must do better in the way it conducts its business.

“That is the approach New Zealand will bring to the Security Council if we are elected next October,” he said.

“From the 1950s to the 1990s we could blame the Cold War when the Security Council did not act.

That does not wash today.”

Key called this week for permanent Security Council members to be stripped of their right of veto over acts of genocide or war crimes.

I wonder if one potential reform is that you need two permanent members to veto something, not one. That would still hold some protection from the tyranny of the majority, but would mean Russia and China would no longer have s sole veto. Of course US, UK and France would also lose a sole veto but two of them together could still veto – as could Russia and China.

Of course there is little incentive for any holders of the veto to weaken its power.

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35 Responses to “Key calls for UN reform”

  1. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Surely the UN Charter gives the General Assembly the right and power to reform the Security Council and the rights and powers of its permanent members. If it doesn’t then the lawyers who drafted it should be dug up and shot.

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  2. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The UN are more corrupt than many third world African states.
    Why bother even trying for a seat?

    Once again I make the remark – This is the organiszation that placed Lybia as chair of its Human Rights Council. Good grief

    This is the organization that allowed Gaddafi’s regime to head the planning of its 2009 world conference on racism.

    The UN are not people you want around for dinner, look at the constellation of “top” New Zealand politicians that have run off to get the pay packet.

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  3. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    In its entire history. is there any international conflict the UN have actually swiftly and effectively resolved? I can’t think of a single one. Timor?

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  4. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Good on the PM. And all credit to Murray McCully, who did the same some time ago.
    McCully risked our application for position on security Council by reading them the riot act earlier this year.
    I wish I could find the speech but he basically told them they were idiots and New Zealand would propose reform.
    It is important to realize that we are small, and if we want to change things we have to be on the inside of the monster

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  5. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    I saw Helun on TV. She looked entrancing. Bewitching even. ;)

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  6. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Dennis, above , try to pull yourself together, its only 7 in the morning where you are, and thats far too early to start taking drugs.

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  7. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    @lolita’s. It’s code for: I think she might have a new friend.

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  8. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Dennis, is it a girl or a boy, you are not saying she likes the PM are you , surely not, its Ok you can tell me the truth

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  9. BlairM (2,341 comments) says:

    I’ve asked this before, but why is NZ the only country in the world that actually takes the UN seriously?

    Name me one other country that gives two shits about the UN and what it thinks. There isn’t one. It’s like a big joke that everyone is in on but us.

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  10. Reid (16,509 comments) says:

    McCully risked our application for position on security Council by reading them the riot act earlier this year.

    Really. And here was me thinking that what his and Key’s moves were about was a cynical ploy to enhance our bid.

    I think Key went a bridge too far too, with his statement there is unequivocal proof the Syrian govt did the attack, given that Lavrov has just come out and said the Russians have done chemical analysis which indicates the sarin was a home-made composite: i.e. not weapons grade.

    I mean what about this don’t people understand. Iraq was invaded because apparently, it had WMD. But no, it apparently didn’t. Then, apparently, they went to Syria. Then, apparently, the Syrian President orders a chemical attack on people just down the road from where the UN inspectors are housed. And he does this just at the moment when the Syrian forces are gaining the upper hand and he has the most to lose from an official intervention. (As opposed to the unofficial one that’s been done since it started, with the UKUSA backing Al-Qa’ida and supplying arms to those who are, apparently, the enemy.)

    You couldn’t write this stuff and expect people to believe it, except in a fictional boys-own adventure story targeted exclusively at useful idiots who still hallucinate it’s Morning in America. Apparently, there’s a big market.

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  11. Lindsay Addie (1,529 comments) says:

    It would take a genius to straighten out an organisation out as fucked up as the UN………..

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  12. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    According to Radio Aotearoa NZ, we the New Zealand taxpayer are involved in an international bribery contest with a few other countries like Turkey and Spain to bribe other countries into giving us their vote to get the seat.

    So corrupt third world despots are being paid by a host of desperate wannabes for this seat.

    If individuals were doing that in NZ for say a contract they’d be up before a judge.

    The whole UN thing has been thoroughly corrupted and should just be wound up.

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  13. Nigel Kearney (1,019 comments) says:

    The UN is probably beyond redemption but the speech is impressive all the same. The first thing Key has done showing any spine at all. I didn’t think he had it in him.

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  14. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “I think she might have a new friend.”

    surely battery operated?

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  15. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Althoug deeply flawed, the UN is a necessary step towards a true world government.

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  16. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    Then we’ll have utopia right Milky?

    FFS, the left.

    Is there no end to their insane delusions?

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  17. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Not saying that it will happen any time soon. A world parliament first, eh?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Parliament

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  18. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    The left are truly sheep … They moan and groan about people power…. Then just because their self serving x-leader has her truly grotesque snout in the trough they have wistful dreams of a world government implementing their deeply flawed ideology.

    Unbelievable …. These people really are the Turkeys voting for Xmas every month ….

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  19. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    The good old League of Nations!
    Yep that should ensure ‘World Peace’…

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  20. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Just as the UN was an improvement on the League of Nations model, so too an elected world parliament would be an improvement over the UN general assembly.

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  21. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “Such behaviour damages the reputation and credibility of the wider organisation and must be challenged.”

    Key doesn’t have the first clue about foreign policy credibility.

    “If we look at actually what drove 9/11, those people who put together those explosive devices and the whole plan were based in camps out of Afghanisan” ~ John Key, TVNZ, Are SAS set to return to Afghanistan?
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dee_1250712099

    The explosive devices which brought down to twin towers and resulted in the site remaining hot for weeks afterward could not have been placed within the building without bypassing normal security.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/preparation.html

    The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

    Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

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  22. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Right … So all the ‘world councils’ so far have been a crock of shit but magically a world government will be good….

    You lefties have fucking rocks in your heads !

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  23. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    Wouldn’t you rather hop over to the GD and talk about UFOs?

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  24. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    The best reform would be for the Anglosphere to stick two fingers up to the whole thing and invite other sensible democracies to come with them.

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  25. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t you rather hop over to the GD and talk about UFOs?

    What have UFO’s got to do with the UN and Key’s incoherent statement about 9/11?

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  26. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    The problem that I see here is that left have taken hook line and sinker the notion that big government is good government. They seem to actually believe that the best world is where redistribution is heavily used to create an utopia of nobody has too much and nobody has too little…. Then the muppets support their dear leader earning 10x tax free what they earn. They never question her having 5+ rental properties while they struggle to pay their rent. Meanwhile they think wealth is disgusting if the people they are looking at don’t live the facade of being a lefty like their beloved rich figurehead.

    How sucked into the self serving machine do these people need to be before they identify their own leaders as being the same as the people they hate .

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  27. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The best reform would be for the Anglosphere to stick two fingers up to the whole thing and invite other sensible democracies to come with them.

    The NWO is all about secular security. There would have to be a major paradigm shift before the Anglosphere abandoned its corrupt institutions.

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  28. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    How the fuck is a world government ever going to be a good idea? It will just be another way of robbing middle class people in developed countries to give some money to poor people who haven’t earned it, for the betterment of the very rich.

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  29. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It will just be another way of robbing middle class people in developed countries to give some money to poor people who haven’t earned it, for the betterment of the very rich.

    It’s not just about money.

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/nwo.html

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  30. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Of course not, it’s about power and control. Money is but one of the tools to establish that power and control

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  31. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Reid (14,097) September 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    ” I think Key went a bridge too far too, with his statement there is unequivocal proof the Syrian govt did the attack, given that Lavrov has just come out and said the Russians have done chemical analysis which indicates the sarin was a home-made composite: i.e. not weapons grade.”

    Yes thats right Reid, the chemicals were cooked up in the kitchens home made bake to kill the soldiers of the Syrian regime, the wind went wrong and it floated back at them.
    This Russia explanation is just crap . The Sarin is old degraded Sarin thats all Reid. Are you saying the resistance killed their own for political gain.

    You couldn’t write this stuff like Reid writes and expect people to believe it, except in a fictional Eastern world, where people like Red Reid target exclusively at useful idiots who still hallucinate that Syria and Russia are honest countries

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  32. Akaroa (558 comments) says:

    A lifetime ago I served in a UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus.

    My take on the UN?

    A bit like Nato, but not so well organised!

    (Military and former military people with European experience will understand the condemnatory dismissive essence of that comment)

    As usual, John Key – in his criticism of the UN – is right on the button!!

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  33. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    lolitasbrother, ain’t too bright are ya ?

    In your alternative universe Assad invited a bunch of inspectors to come and check out the use of chemical weapons, with the warmonger Obama just waiting for an excuse to attack, and then choose that exact moment to launch a massive attack targeting civilians right under the nose of the inspectors and foreign press !!

    Yeah right.

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  34. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Cyprus!

    Bloody Muslims again.

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  35. Scott1 (552 comments) says:

    Key seems to be trying quite hard to get on the security council and in doing so appears to be sacrificing the much more economically sensible policy of not calling out major trading partners.

    Meanwhile being on the security council seems to not really get us much… So I am not sure what we are getting for breaking this normal rule of diplomacy.

    lolitasbrother,
    There is another scenario where the Syrians did it, but that Assad and most of the government were against it and told them to stop immediately. That does sound reasonably plausible from what I have heard.

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