Pity Labour’s male MPs and candidates

September 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Both Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe have pledged that ’s post 2014 caucus under their leadership will be 50% women. Technically this is a decision for the Party organisation, but what they are effectively saying is that as Leader they will encourage the party to use whatever mechanisms they have to achieve this. This means that the may be back, as they have both said they won’t stop the party adopting it.

But regardless of whether the man ban returns, the pledge for 50% women in their caucus is very bad news for their rival Shane Jones, and also for former Party President Andrew Little. You see in 2011 a 50/50 quota would have seen both Andrew Little and Shane Jones not make it into Parliament.

In this blog post in July, I looked at what a 50/50 quota would have meant for Labour under every MMP election. It would have been the equivalent of a suicide note. They would have lost Michael Cullen in 1999 and 2002 for example as they would not have got any male List MPs at all. So it doesn’t matter how they ranked their Male candidates – none would have got in on the list under the quota favoured by Robertson and Cunliffe.

Now it is almost inevitable that one of them will become Leader, unless Jones can pull off an upset, which means that Labour will have this quota for 2014. So who are the losers?

First are the current male List MPs. Basically they’re outski. Little, Jones and maybe even Cosgrove are gone. If O’Connor doesn’t hold his seat he could be gone also.

The other losers are new male candidates. The message is that there is no chance of a winnable list spot if they are male.

Labour holds 22 electorate seats. If a male replaces Dalziel, then 15 electorate MPs are male and seven are female. That means the top eight places on the list must be reserved for women.

This will make it harder for male candidates not just to get into Parliament but also to win electorate seats, as to win a seat off the other party often needs a two or three term strategy where you come in as a List MP, and then use that to build up profile so you can win the seat itself the next election.

This makes it very interesting for Andrew Little. If either Robertson or Cunliffe win, he may end up being out of Parliament under their quota policies. So who will he support? Could Jones pick up vote in caucus by pointing out to the male List MPs that many of them are goners if the other two win?

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37 Responses to “Pity Labour’s male MPs and candidates”

  1. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    Their internal politics is just like their economic policy – just say what sounds popular enough to get elected then leave the mess for the next government to clean up.

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  2. gazzmaniac (2,270 comments) says:

    If O’Connor doesn’t hold his seat he could be gone also.

    O’Connor won’t lose his seat.
    I think it’d be a great move. No more Little Andy causing trouble with his mate Trev the duck.

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  3. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Mock the gender politics as much as you like but remember it’s no different to the lunacy of parliament redefining marriage.All part of the same agenda.

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  4. Michael (880 comments) says:

    O’Connor will keep his seat as Blue voting Coasters would rather have him as an MP than the next Labour list MP.

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  5. noskire (797 comments) says:

    The solution is simple – all of Labour’s male candidates will just have to get gender reassignment surgery.

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  6. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    Kowtow is right.

    It is all linked to the same Marxist foundation that National buys into to a lesser degree.

    Anyway, is there anything more off putting than a left wing/ Marxist woman? There are some attractive Hollywood stars (for example) but as soon as I see them preaching their usual Marxist crap I just want them to vanish.

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  7. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    kowtow

    I missed the bit where parliament said marriage must be equal male and female representation. Here was me thinking the new law allowed each couple to define that situation according to what works for them… silly me… I missed how making something more flexible is the same as making something more rigid.

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  8. tvb (3,945 comments) says:

    It has to be 50/50 in winnable slots. Not 50/50 candidates. The list should be easy enough just alternate men and women. But electorates are a bit more tricky because it has to be 50/50 men women in winnable electorates, hence a man ban in some safe seats.

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  9. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    Social engineering …. I hope the supporters of corrupt self serving government will feel proud to elect a government that thinks looking like you are balanced is more important than being balanced.

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  10. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Yes blurt ,silly you…….you mustn’t have been listening ,they said it was all about “equality”,now run along and wash your ears out comrade.

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  11. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    No Little, no Cosgrove, no Jones?

    Basically the “man ban” will be positive for NZ then?

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Homosexuals and bisexuals combined make up less that 5% of the population. That means heterosexuals make up 95% of the population. Surely, if less than 95% of Labour MPs are heterosexual the heterosexuals are being discriminated against.

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  13. Crusader (226 comments) says:

    “The solution is simple – all of Labour’s male candidates will just have to get gender reassignment surgery”

    This comedy show is getting better and better. It’s pythonesque. Cue Life of Brian:
    STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me ‘Loretta’.
    REG: What?!
    LORETTA: It’s my right as a man.
    JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
    LORETTA: I want to have babies.
    REG: You want to have babies?!
    LORETTA: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.
    REG: But… you can’t have babies.
    LORETTA: Don’t you oppress me.

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  14. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    If a male Labour MP gender identifies as a woman (it won’t be long), which part of the quota do they fill?

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  15. thor42 (780 comments) says:

    @Crusader – yeah, that was a *great* movie (and that bit was one of my favourites!).

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  16. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    It’s ok, if they just run for mayor somewhere, anywhere, while still being paid as a Labour MP, they’re not really Labour MPs, but “independent mayoral candidates.” Thank goodness for semantics.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/local-elections-2013/9112847/Dalziel-abused-at-campaign-launch

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  17. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    So what is the National Party doing about recruiting female talent to its party list as constituency candidates, David?

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  18. JimAKBailey (2 comments) says:

    Maybe defining gender in hetrosexual terms and others would be a simple solution – Onward – TogetherI HOPE – Many Bessings – Jim

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  19. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy

    I think they will end up taking any woman who line up – make themselves look balanced while ditching some genuine talent … That’s apparently what NZ wants….

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  20. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “That’s apparently what NZ wants….”

    That’s what Chutney and his screaming force of progs (and so many in the liberal media) want you to believe, but it isn’t the case.

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  21. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    I agree with most of what has been written above, but then I’m a man & have voted right my whole life. The question is what do women think of this? Are they all silently cheering from the kitchen? Previous blogs here have said that women are more likely to be sympathetic to left leaning policy than men, is this just a blatant attempt to appeal to 50% of population? Sure Waitakerie Man isn’t going to be to keen on this, but then it’s not likely to be policy that makes him vote National

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  22. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Actually, if Waitakere’s last constituency election was anything to go by, Waitakere is perfectly happy being represented by a female MP, whether Paula Bennett or Carmel Sepuloni. So much for Waitakere “Man!” :)

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  23. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    CG, Paula is Waitakere Mans kinda woman….

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  24. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Yeah, Alex, but there wasn’t much in it last time, was there? Methinks Waitakere Man goes both ways! ;)

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  25. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy

    We better legislate so Waitakere Man can only have himself and 1 female in his ute… The front seat must be shared 50/50 male & female.

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  26. Martin Gibson (206 comments) says:

    Poor old East Coast voters have not had a male labour candidate in over two decades, let alone a person not from the Mackey family. Moana Mackey has had four unsuccessful cracks; they just don’t put anyone else forward. Surely in the name of gender equality . . ? Oh, right . . .

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  27. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    Don’t know why they get so exercised.

    Dumbarse socialists, who cares about gender.

    As for so many confused and uncertain about gender what’s the issue anyway it is all about dogma deciet and the money and it is all OPMs anyway

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  28. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    Not sure how the party went down in Waitakerie last time, but would this policy open it up for Waitakerie Gal to vote Paula as MP & party vote to Labour, talk about having your cake & eating it too

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  29. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (48 comments) says:

    In time the message will be, if you are gay. Vote Labour. If you are a Pacific Islander. Vote Labour. If you are a woman. Vote Labour. People will never investigate which political party has the best policies. The best interest for the country. They will only look to see themselves there. The freedom of chosing will be gone. And with no freedom of choice, you get socialism.

    And what do Labour put up for the Invercargill seat. Tired old Leslie Soper.

    I despise the left more and more.

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  30. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    The trouble with Labour is that it traditionally has a gross over-representation of idiots which it is now seeking to increase.

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  31. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    ManBan was never off the Agenda despite the Caucus whohah. It is the Party of Feminist, Lesbians, and ugly Unionists who make these sorts of decisions.

    Look at the senior women in the Party Moira Coatsworth and Timmy Barnett – both strange women, and supported by Grant Robertson.

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  32. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    @ the only red for me – agree with everything you said & absolutely gutted at last nights result, all that possession & we couldn’t create any decent shots on goal

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  33. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (48 comments) says:

    @edhunter. Loosing to Liverpool always, always hurts. Still, no team wins the premiership in September. And lets hope the scousers are only top for a week.

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  34. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler ran the numbers on this at some point and apparently last time round 50% of the newly appointed Labour MP’s/candidates last time round were women.

    i.e. there isn’t an issue with gender equity in 2013 – there is an issue with gender equity amongst incumbent MP’s – many of whom have been in parliament since the 1980′s when being a man apparently improved your ‘merit’ more than it does today.

    The way for Labour to deliver a 50/50 split is just to clean out the old guard from the 1980′s and let the new generation through (of whom around half happen to be women).

    If you put it in that context (a commitment to 50/50 gender split is really a commitment to getting rid of Goff, Mallard et al) then Cunliffes passion for gender equity seems much more self interested! :P

    Oh also – while we are busy pitying Labour party men for getting ‘only’ 50% representation – should we also pity National party women for their measly 25% representation?

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  35. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Increasing numbers of studies show that the most consistent explanation for women not storming the barricades of high earning, high-qualification fields is choice.

    What highly qualified women would choose to be seen in Labour’s ranks. ? :cool:

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  36. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    Yes, Labour needs more MPs like Sue Moroney, Carol Beaumont and Darien Fenton.

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  37. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    The real reason gender equality won’t work is that Labour doesn’t have enough decent female candidates.

    It’s quite correct to note they would have lost Michael Cullen in 1999 and 2002, but that doesn’t explain why the alternative list candidate would have been someone presumably less capable than Ann Hartley.

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