Please Labour stop blaming the person who needs protection

September 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Labour’s spokesman said the results showed a high level of use of the by .

“It shows how much the PM has stretched them.”

A spokeswoman for Mr Key said police made decisions on DPS staff assignments.

“The Prime Minister highly values his protection staff who are extremely professional and very hard working in sometimes challenging circumstances.”

I really wish Labour would stop their multi-year campaign of attacking the PM because he has Diplomatic Protection Squad Police accompany him. Its disgraceful. Their antics create a culture where politics may affect decisions around safety of the Prime Minister.

The PM (and previous PMs) get DPS protection because people threaten to kill them. It is not a perk of the job. It is a sad necessity. Labour should not blame the victim!

I hope when National is in opposition they are never so desperate as to criticise a Labour Prime Minister for having DPS accompany them.

Mind you if David Cunliffe wins, he may need the DPS to actually attend caucus meetings to protect him from his colleagues :-)

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33 Responses to “Please Labour stop blaming the person who needs protection”

  1. Ashley Schaeffer (508 comments) says:

    Another non-story. Labour really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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  2. slightlyright (94 comments) says:

    It wasn’t that long ago he and his colleagues were pretty grateful for DPS when some maniac was trying to leap on them from the public galley in parliament, what a bunch of hypocritical scumbags!

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  3. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Well that clearly shows Fa’afoi is a Robertson supporter – focusing on the things that are really important.

    [/sarc]

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  4. Mobile Michael (459 comments) says:

    No MP should ever direct a police officer to do any duty. Labour are making a very serious allegation by claiming the PM is responsible for them. Let’s see some evidence Mr Faafoi!

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  5. scrubone (3,103 comments) says:

    Isn’t this the same guy who said that, because police were resigning, that meant the minister was doing a bad job? Never mind that any organisation has a constant turnover of staff.

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  6. flipper (4,188 comments) says:

    I have no idea whether the extent of DPS involvement with the PM and his family is justified. It may be over the top, and a case of departmental over-reach. But it may be appropriate in every respect. The very fact that any Labour MP raises matters on which the Prime Minister has no day to day control, is indicative of their desperation for media attention – desperation that has, for labour and the red melons, become endemic.

    Unlike the USA, where the Secret Service is mandated by Statute to protect the President, his family, the VP and his family, plus former Presidents for many months after they leave office, New Zealand has no such legislative requirement.

    J Key could tell the DPS to get lost. But I presume that he has been briefed, and shown evidence of possible threats. No matter, I would prefer that the Prime Minister, any Prime Minister, and where appropriate other Ministers, have DPS protection whenever, and to whatever extent, the DPS deems appropriate.

    In short, better to be sure than sorry, given that there are nutty Red Melon Commissars who have already shown that they suffer from mental disequilibrium.

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  7. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    There were death threats when he was first elected PM..Remember all the heavies around him on election night plus his wife and children standing on the other side of the stage.
    A Canterbury Eng student beat one of his heavy ex marines at arm wrestling. Not sure what that says.

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  8. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    Isn’t there a nutter in jail for threatening to kill the PM?

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  9. In Vino Veritas (140 comments) says:

    I’d hazard a guess and say that it is Faafoi’s and Labour’s looney supporters who the Prime Minister is being protected from!

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  10. backster (2,183 comments) says:

    We had Tama ITI and his Aro St guerrilla band planning his demise in Tuhoe country. Faafoi and his colleagues are blocking the Police and SIS from collaboration with the GCSB, so an enhanced physical presence is probably in the opinion of the Commissioner of Police, necessary to ensure the PM’s security.

    Faafoi, Labour’s Police spokesman’s only endeavours so far seem to be to belittle the Police and to visit habitual high risk criminals in maximum security to sympathise with their imagined persecution.

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  11. nostrils (53 comments) says:

    “We had Tama ITI and his Aro St guerrilla band planning his demise in Tuhoe country.”

    Ooops, wrong PM…..

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  12. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Why does he need protection?

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  13. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Not only is Fafoi a leading gaggle member, he is a liar, and renowned for this.

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  14. OneTrack (3,204 comments) says:

    “Why does he need protection?”

    Because lefties are excessively tribal and there will be more than a few of them who would believe it was their duty to “the cause” to get rid of “the enemy”?

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  15. flipper (4,188 comments) says:

    Judith…
    There are nutters, there are union thugs (seriously, there are), and there is always the possibility of a fanatic (as opposed to a nutter) doing something “in God’s name” …as they would describe it.

    Neither you or I are in position to know. When the DPS started, its duties were pretty much confined to the security of foreign diplomats. I lived next door to a senior Argentine diplomat at the time of the Falklands conflict. Their presence in our private road was a pain in the proverbial. But at about the same time the union thugs (drivers, boilermakers, wharfies and so on driven by the likes of Devitt and Anderson, were operating very much like “the gangs if New York”, except that they used sharp steel capped boots instead of knives and cleavers.

    I have previously recorded on KB what Robert Muldoon did in my home dining room one evening following one such incident in Auckland – he showed guests his shins which were a mess of scabs, scratches and bruises. Much earlier, Keith Holyoake was assaulted by freezing workers in Palmerston North, and he was sent .303 bullets in the post. Even so, he most often walked from Pipitea Street to the House of Reps.

    I am unsure whether any PM (seem to recall that someone did) has made the walk from Premier House in Tinakori Road, but it would only be done with DPS attendance these days – and done as a one-off, spur of the moment stroll.
    All in all, 2013 is a very problematic world.

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  16. smttc (761 comments) says:

    Judith, don’t be so bloody naive. And if you claim you aren’t, then stop being a troll.

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    It was a genuine question.

    I was asking because I wanted to see the range of answers that would be provided – that is, if there is more than just the obvious reason for him needing protection.

    Thank you Flipper for providing a well reasoned answer.

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  18. PaulL (6,035 comments) says:

    @Judith: and why would you think anyone on KB would know if there was some reason beyond the obvious? I assume obvious means “because he’s the PM and there have been threats.”

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  19. flipper (4,188 comments) says:

    Judith..
    No probs, yours was a fair question since the DPS makes every effort to fly under the radar.

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  20. maxwell (56 comments) says:

    How can an ex TVNZ political journalist & Press Sec. to Phil Goff be thick enough to think that the PM doesn’t need protection. ?

    Especially from idiots like Hone’s nephews, who got away with trying to smack over the PM at Waitangi
    (only because the PM downplayed it) but then they showed their real class when three of them attacked a 12 year old boy

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  21. freemark (609 comments) says:

    Judith are you still asserting that you don’t know what TS is and that you don’t post here or on other blogs/groups under another name?

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  22. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    Kris who?

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  23. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Fa’afoi is a joke.

    Dude should be writing copy for the yellow pages instead of speaking on police matters for Labour.

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  24. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    big bruv (11,429) Says:
    September 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Kris who?

    You mean Kris Fcukfai? He has witnessed the signing of the treaty of Waitangi….

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  25. scrubone (3,103 comments) says:

    The union thing is no joke. There’s thugs in there and no one cares a hoot.

    I recall seeing a tv program about the port workers, who were having “their” work taken away by a new company (and union) who found a way to load logs more efficiently. There was a meeting, where workers openly demanded that they should intimidate the bosses in their homes.

    And they said so right there on camera.

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  26. Random Punter (77 comments) says:

    Maxwell: “How can an ex TVNZ political journalist & Press Sec. to Phil Goff be thick enough to think that the PM doesn’t need protection. ?”

    Because he’s an ex-TVNZ political journalist and Press Secretary to Phil Goff?

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  27. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    I think John Key is suffering from some form of paranoia with all this security, who and why would someone want to harm him.

    Do we really have seriously bad people here in NZ, Tama Iti & Co were playing silly buggars up in the bush and resembled a Maori version of Dad’s Army.

    Good to see the police having a round up of the Mongrel Mob, hopefully with the new surveillance laws they can tidy up the Headhunters, Filthy Few, Red Devils etc etc.

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  28. kiwi in america (2,508 comments) says:

    Working on Mike Moore’s 1990 campaign when he was PM gave me an interesting insight in the DPS. A few days after Mike assumed the Prime Ministership, DPS consultants were round at his Papanui home beefing up security. Random people would show up at the home and so a video surveillance system was put in place. Everywhere Mike travelled he had a least 2 DPS officers in tow. Since we had Mike in his own electorate for only 2 short periods during the whole campaign, we packed in as many people contact meetings as we could. One stint was the standard street corner meetings in Labour heartland areas – the next time he came we arranged a pub crawl at key pubs and bars across the electorate. By this time we had become good mates with Mike’s DPS crew as they had assigned a small group of officers who were mostly only on his assignment. The pub crawl was a security nightmare and we had to tell them of each pub and they split their detail one with Mike and the other going in advance with campaign staff to the next pub. We’d set up at a table in the public bar with jugs ready and as Mike would come in, we’d jump and say “Gidday Mike” so that they was always a ‘friendly’ face. As it turned out despite Labour’s unpopularity in 1990, in the working class pubs of the Papanui electorate, Mike was a rock star and he got mobbed at each place. The DPS were always jumpy and nervous in these settings. What was funny was the DPS guys keeping their eye on specific crims in the crowd that some of them had nicked when they were beat coppers in Christchurch before their DPS assignments. Small world stuff.

    One officer in particular became best mates with Mike and he’d crop up at BBQs at Mike’s years later. We’d reminisce about that fateful campaign. He always had fascinating insights into the various PMs and their likeability. He was not flattering about H1 and H2!

    Even back all those years ago there were nutters who wanted to do a PM harm so John Key is most definitely not being paranoid.

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  29. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    Before the last election I popped into west city shopping centre. Lo and behold, Phil Goff came through to the food court with about three other supporters.

    Looking around I spotted three rather tough looking gentlemen in business suits milling around watching the then leader of the opposition. I expect Labour will be outraged at Phil’s extravagant use of the DPS (not).

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    freemark (218) Says:
    September 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    Judith are you still asserting that you don’t know what TS is and that you don’t post here or on other blogs/groups under another name?

    I have absolutely no idea what TS is, I do not post on here under any other names – as I have explained time and time again, I had an old id called Jinny that I cannot access due to not knowing the password or having the same email address any more.

    I have access to a multitude of research sites required for my profession. I have a facebook page, and belong to quite a few historical sites, and genealogy blogs, such as Ancestry (yes I’ve paid my annual subscription, in case that is your next concern). I post regularly on a Criminology blog, and I share recipes on a couple of other blogs. I frequently download clips and music off youtube and post on a blog and share transistions and slidestyles that I create in a program called Proshow producer, which is a hobby of mine and one I also use for lecture presentations.

    I had weetbix and a banana for breakfast, after showering and toileting. I didn’t wash my hair today because I washed it yesterday. I am currently wearing blue jeans and a black jersey (in honour of my westie upbringing). I also have a pair of ugg boots on, because it is cold. I was woken during the night by the earthquake, and actually went on line to see how big it was. No I didn’t blog about it on the geonet site.

    Later this morning I will probably log into ebay because there is a book I’m after and can’t find it here. I will also probably check out metvuw. I also have a physio appointment today, but that does not require blogging, unless the process she uses on my foot is known by that name?

    I have two interviews to do today as well – we don’t blog for those although there is some emailing involved.
    I have not yet worked out what I am having for dinner

    Now, would you like to know what underwear I have on, or is that sufficient information for your stalker mentality?

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  31. shoreboy57 (140 comments) says:

    Wonder what Cunners policy on DPS is. Imagine he would want larger squad to protect his ego

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  32. artemisia (253 comments) says:

    I lived a few houses away from a Prime Minister back in the not too distant day. Often saw him walking to work, alone, though more often there was a crown car waiting. A few times, not many, I saw suits in nearby cars watching. Assume DPS. One time, there were two large document bags sitting on the footpath clearly labelled as the PMs. No PM or anyone else in sight. Only in New Zealand eh?

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  33. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Judith,
    Stalking online is against the law..David is very good at sorting these situations out..Email him. Don’t put up with it.

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