Who is promising what

September 3rd, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The three contenders are making so many promises, that I’ve done this little table below for easy reference. Please, please let me know (e-mail preferably) if there are any pledges I have missed. I will keep updating this.

  Cunliffe Jones Robertson
       
Raise taxes on rich pricks Yes   Yes
Living wage for all Govt staff and contractors Yes   Yes
Minimum wage $15/hr Yes   Yes
Full employment Yes   Yes
Living wage for all Yes    
Pacifica TV channel Yes Yes  
Regulate food prices   Yes  
A home for everyone     Yes
Taxi drivers to earn more Yes    
Increase tax rate on trusts Yes    
Subsidies for tree planting Yes    
Repeal all of National’s employment changes Yes   Yes
Expand ban on house purchases to Australians   Yes  
Extend Northern Rail Link to North Port Yes    
Extend Part 6A from vulnerable workers to all workers Yes    
50% female quota for caucus Yes   Yes
Not block the “man ban” if party wants it Yes   Yes
Scrap Kapiti Expressway Yes    
Possibly buy back SOEs Yes    
Possibly keep Super age at 65, not 67 Yes    
Subsidies or “support” for wood processing     Yes
A second cable to the United States     Yes
Extend 2014 target for Treaty settlements to 2020     Yes
Make Police Commissioner apologise to Tuhoe     Yes
National awards within 100 days of election Yes    

Cunliffe’s pledge to extend Part 6A to all workers takes the prize for the most destructive policy.

Part 6A is the part which states that if a company wins a contract off another company, they have to employ all the staff of the other company.

At present this only applies to industries such as catering, cleaning, orderly and laundry. Cunliffe’s pledge would massively expand this.Say you work for a copy centre, and you lose a major contract to a competitor. The winning copy centre has to hire your staff!In theory it would apply to law firms also. Say a law firm loses a major client to another law firm. All the lawyers who worked for that client at the old firm, would have to be hired by the new firm!It would in fact destroy competition, mergers and acquisitions in New Zealand. It is bad enough we have Part 6A for some industries, but to apply it to all workers is indeed a great leap backwards. The unions though will love it. Getting 20% of the vote in the leadership contests has given them power beyond their wildest dreams.

UPDATE: Have added on Grant’s pledge to have taxpayers fund a second fibre cable to the United States.

UPDATE2: Cunliffe also promising a Pacifica TV channel

UPDATE3: Robertson on Te Karere said he wants Treaty settlement target shifted from 2014 to 2020 and the Police Commission to apologise to Tuhoe.

 UPDATE4: Cunlife promised in a speech he would introduce national awards or “industry standard agreements” within 100 days of an election.

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46 Responses to “Who is promising what”

  1. flipper (4,079 comments) says:

    The DominionPost this morning does an admirable job cutting The Three Mousketeers down to size.
    The editorial is a must read for dummies like rossie69 and his fellow travellers.
    It is read and learn time dummies.

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  2. Redbaiter (9,080 comments) says:

    I’m so tired of these clueless socialist morons.

    Seems like its been going on forever already.

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  3. hubbers (139 comments) says:

    It’s simple, the more things you offer the more dumb votes you get.

    Silly things like affordability and practicality and legality can be dealt with later.

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  4. Simon (727 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  5. JeffW (326 comments) says:

    Simon, I missed the evidence that RBNZ is printing money at present – please advise.

    Re Union power and its misuse, as I have noted before, Unions will never be happy until jobs are fully automated or until the particular employer has gone bankrupt. Why a supposedly centre-right government would continue to support these anti-market forces through legislation is beyond me.

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  6. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Nope nothing in that list for me.

    I’m still open to bribes, but none of those ones are good enough.

    Think I’ll have to see what DotCom is going to offer (JOKE)!

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  7. Simon (727 comments) says:

    JeffW check money supply stats at RBNZ.

    People will only understand what a dog of a government National were when those left wing creeps finally takeover.

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  8. Yvette (2,823 comments) says:

    If Labour hadn’t spent the last 20 months or so since the last Election trying to sort out a permanent Leader and apart from a limp effort to thwart asset sales have done nothing else, I would know if all these current promises are actual Party policy or not.
    Now, Labour still has no Leader and who knows what the fuck they stand for.
    Oh – I said this before? – well, it still seems right to me, just even more so

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  9. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    So, that list is what is troubling the country. Wow. Are they bonkers? Seriously?

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  10. JeffW (326 comments) says:

    Simon, having a greater money supply is not the same as printing money. Criticise on the basis of facts, not your personal biases.

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  11. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    One more line.

    Make a pile of promises that will never be kept in a self serving effort to get a fat pay rise – tick , tick , tick.

    Oh…. How about free KFC lunches on election day ??????

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  12. wat dabney (3,774 comments) says:

    Simon,

    What money supply graph are you looking at?

    If you’re talking about “printing money” then you’re talking about M0, but that graph looks totally innocuous.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/money-supply-m0

    If you’re talking about broader money, such as M3, then that’s a function of interest rates. It’s not “printing money.”

    The Reserve Bank adjusts interest rates to keep within inflation guidelines.

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  13. jcuk (693 comments) says:

    A very tempting list … if it meant anything like that could happen :)
    Add in what the Greens and NZF will offer …. GHU! :(

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  14. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t vote Labour for any reason, ever. However, I agree with Cunliffe on fixing the NAL and extending a branch line to Port Marsden. Irrespective of what we do with Auckland’s ports, it makes sense to have North Port as a better option and the roads north of Auckland are even tougher to fix than the rail. Whangarei could easily be Auckland’s third large moon (after Hamilton and Tauranga) with better transport links and the jobs they’d bring. There’s room for a much larger city there… a greater urban Whangarei extending south into the Bream Bay area (it’s already WDC politically). Would take a bit of pressure off Auckland.

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  15. Super Guest (16 comments) says:

    More proof Jones is the best of a rotten bunch. Sure the things he’s promising are loopy beyond all recognition (and pointless, Pacifica TV?) but at least he’s promising the least.

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  16. wat dabney (3,774 comments) says:

    More proof Jones is the best of a rotten bunch.

    Ah, but best for whom?

    Cunliffe, for example, is promising reserved Zil lanes for state-sector workers, or above-market wages, or something (the exact form of the corruption and privilege is irrelevant.)

    And Robertson is promising them all that and a pony.

    How can Jones compete with his feeble promise to control the price of porn? Where’s the special privilege in that for members of Labour’s state-sector union controllers?

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  17. MT_Tinman (3,202 comments) says:

    Taxi drivers to earn more?

    Hell Cunners, if you want my vote I expect Taxi drivers to be given more. ;-)

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  18. RRM (9,932 comments) says:

    Scrap Kapiti Expressway Cunliffe – Yes

    :shock: Yoo wot, guv’nor?

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  19. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to see a hypothetical list for a National leadership contest.

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  20. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    Tinny – cunners knows who you are. you have been declared an enemy of the state. no freebies for you :D

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  21. dave_c_ (219 comments) says:

    Apart from the last couple of items, I cant see any of the candidates advocating nor supporting the things that are important to make this country worth living in, and thrive in the world

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  22. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Cunliffe and Roberston, in particular, are simply showing that they hold no principles they are not prepared to sacrifice for power.

    Doesn’t bode well for the electorate being able to place much faith in their integrity once one of them becomes the Labour leader.

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  23. MT_Tinman (3,202 comments) says:

    dime (7,143) Says:
    September 3rd, 2013 at 10:34 am
    Tinny – cunners knows who you are. you have been declared an enemy of the state. no freebies for you :D

    Bugger!

    Oh well, back to the right wing I suppose.

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  24. Macfre (22 comments) says:

    And what about Robertson’s promise to pay the living wage to all government workers. Didnt the unions and Labour just start celebrating the court decision on equal pay in aged care homes? And now they are basically saying they want to pay aged care workers in government employment more than those in private sector? Way too clever for this poor sod to understand…..

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  25. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    >The unions though will love it. Getting 20% of the vote in the leadership contests has given them power beyond their wildest dreams.

    We know what the end result is when unions get to run everything: Detroit. I’d rather NZ didn’t end up in the same state.

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  26. seerob1946 (24 comments) says:

    Interesting to see that Shane Jones doesn’t support the Marsden Port rail link, vital to the ports future??

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  27. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    I was shaking my head in disbelief as I read through that, but when I got to the taxi drivers earning more, I almost keeled over with disbelief. How can Cunliffe (who claims to be an economic thinker) say something so daft?

    Taxi driving has to be one of the simplest market input-output calculations to make. A taxi driver can only earn money if someone gets in his cab. Someone will only get in his cab if they need to a> get somewhere and b> the taxi fare is a reasonable cost outlay for that journey.

    To legislate minimum earnings for a taxi driver can only mean putting fares up, or increasing trips taken. Putting fares up would likely reduce the number of trips (as people choose cheaper options), so this is an impossible paradox.

    So this earning increase can only be achieved by: a. reducing the number of taxi drivers so there is no downtime (increasing unemployment) or b. legislating that people have to use taxis or c. forcibly abducting passengers off the street and not releasing them until they’ve paid the legislated fare or d. subsidising taxi transport (which, now I think about it, is what they do for trains, so perhaps this policy does have legs…..)

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  28. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    Following on from taxi drivers, why not extend that to all self-employed people and contractors? If someone’s “hourly rate” is deemed insufficient, then the government can step in and subsidise the business or legislate price increases. Starter businesses will get instant rewards for the hard work of the entrepreneur, based on an hourly rate rather than what they sell. Lawn-mowing services can flood the market beyond the number of lawns to mow in the city, safe in the knowledge Labour will legislate their income. All struggling writers, unable to sell their book for a decent sum, will have book sales mandated by parliament. Craft workers will receive subsidies for their unsold macrame work. It’s a winner…

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  29. georgebolwing (869 comments) says:

    Surely somebody in the Labour Party is going to start asking the obvious question: will your policies result in Labour winning the next election (with “winning”, in a post-MMP world, meaning that there is a “Labour-led Government”, not a Labour/Greens/NZF/Mana coalition), as opposed to you just wining the leadership?

    Given that the three musketeers have spent the first week of their campaign pandering exclusively to the more extreme members of their party, and being oblivious to the fact that they are giving the National Party a series of free hits over unsustainable policy promises, by the end we are likely to see one of these people leading a party that is so discredited that it will be consigned to perpetual opposition.

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  30. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    Camryn 10am. The problem with your suggestion is that Labour have pledged to cancel the “holiday highway” i.e. upgrading the road from Auckland to Whangarei. Nothing like you suggest can possible happen until the road is sorted.

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  31. wally (65 comments) says:

    Evadne @ 11.16: Brilliant!

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  32. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Putting fares up would likely reduce the number of trips (as people choose cheaper options), so this is an impossible paradox.

    In other news, the leading Labour candidates have jointly pledged government funding for the invention of a perpetual motion machine.

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  33. Monty (978 comments) says:

    So which policy will create jobs?
    Which policy will protect the environment?
    Which policy will not actually cost money ( maybe increasing age of super to 67)
    Would it be possible to do some back of the envelope coatings to each policy and then add up the cost, and that of course will be before the Green Party come up with their schedule of policies which will all have a serious cost component.

    I think in the lead up to the election, all National need to do is cost out each policy and the unintended consequence of each policy and then distribute to every household in NZ.

    I think even Helen Clark and Sir Cullen will be face palming at the pork barrel politics

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  34. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Joke. Bribing us with our own fucking money…geez I hate politicians , absolute bottom of the barrel.

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  35. wat dabney (3,774 comments) says:

    If they were bribing us with our own money it wouldn’t be so bad, but the fact is that Labour is a front for special-interest groups out to plunder the rest of us.

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  36. macdee (42 comments) says:

    watch out for this afternoon’s announcements on the Napier to Gisborne railway, more millions

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  37. Paulus (2,631 comments) says:

    Suppose with the new Labour voting system we should have expected a shambles. But this is fun.

    Two more weeks of fun- although Helen Kelly and Andrew Little have made up their minds having Labour succession mapped out for 10 years to come. Good planning – let the stupids stuff it and then really take over.

    Socialism, like cancer, can grow relentlessly slowly, but still achieving the same result.

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  38. thedavincimode (6,777 comments) says:

    UPDATE: Have added on Grant’s pledge to have taxpayers fund a second fibre cable to the United States.

    UPDATE2: Cunliffe also promising a Pacifica TV channel

    UPDATE3: Robertson on Te Karere said he wants Treaty settlement target shifted from 2014 to 2020 and the Police Commission to apologise to Tuhoe.

    UPDATE4: Cunlife promised in a speech he would introduce national awards or “industry standard agreements” within 100 days of an election.

    Good grief. The promises to spend our money are coming quicker than the headmaster can update the thread. Looks like it’s turned into a sprint and the fattest guy is falling off the pace. Cunners still holds the lead, but the other porker has laid on a sudden burst. Can he sustain it or will his guts push his trou down and trip him up?

    Looks like a Pasifika 1 and Pasifika 2 to provide variety of coverage.

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  39. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Kiwis are getting sucked in by these promises. Look at the stuff poll. Last time I checked about 55.4% say that Labour’s living wage promise will make them vote for Labour now. Game over folks. Labour is going to win a thumbing majority in 2014.

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  40. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    UPDATE 5: Cunliffe promises Shortland Street scripts will be regulated to ensure there is a 50% quota of storylines involving females as the lead character.

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  41. Monty (978 comments) says:

    Waiting for
    1. Compulsory or “encouraged” union membership
    2. More voting power to unions in respect of labour leadership
    3. Taxpayer funding of political election campaigns
    4. Lowering of voting age
    5. Compulsory voting in elections
    6. There will be some attack on big business in some form.
    7. Maybe a pickup on maximum salaries that can be paid straight out of the John Minto book on deciding what people should be allowed to be paid.
    8. Some increases of taxes on rich pricks

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  42. OneTrack (3,111 comments) says:

    Evade @11:16

    You missed option e), Labour nationalises the taxi companies and then pays the taxis drivers for 8 hours a day, irrespective of whether they actually carry any passengers or not. Communism coming to a country near you?

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  43. OneTrack (3,111 comments) says:

    Part 6a – does that mean that when Labour wins the election (aka the contract), that they have to hire John Key to do the same job he had before and at the same pay? Ok, if they say so.

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  44. Steve (North Shore) (4,564 comments) says:

    Seems silent T is a yes man.
    Cork soaker big time

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  45. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    OneTrack: of course! It’s all part of the master plan. There’ll be compulsory unionism for taxi drivers as well, with strikes when they don’t get paid enough, they’ll refuse to take “rich prick” businessmen to their meetings in protest against the “1%”, and clog the streets with go-slows whenever policy doesn’t go their way. Plus the union will demand regular hours and rest periods, so there’ll be no taxis on Friday and Saturday nights.

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  46. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Any suggestion of a bridge across the Cooks Strait yet? That ferry ride isn’t much fun in winter.

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