99% respond to work testing sanctions

October 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Almost 13,000 parents with dependent children have had their benefits cut for failing work tests in the first 2 years after sole parents first had to look for work.

Data released to the Child Poverty Action Group under the Official Information Act shows 1310 parents had benefits cut for failing work tests in the first three months after sole parents with children aged 6 and over were required to look for part-time work from September 2010. A further 5,074 parents’ benefits were suspended or cancelled for failing work tests in 2011 and 6,418 last year.

Most parents then met their obligations quickly enough to have their benefits restored, but 157 had benefits formally suspended or cancelled in the first three months of the new regime.

So 13,000 initially were sanctioned for not being available for work etc, but only 157 of them didn’t end up being work ready and seeking work. I call that a huge success.

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19 Responses to “99% respond to work testing sanctions”

  1. Redbaiter (8,273 comments) says:

    Well, that probably accounts for a certain previously heavy commenter’s conspicuous absence.

    All worth it for that outcome alone.

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  2. dime (9,798 comments) says:

    It is definitely working.

    A girl I know from back in the day (37) posted on facebook a couple of weeks ago that she has a job.

    I think she may have worked for a little while in her mid-20’s, but essentially has been on welfare since high school.

    She was against National last time because of these changes (FFS).

    Some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into work.

    Oh yeah, judging from facebook she is quite proud of herself and is happy as!

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  3. queenstfarmer (770 comments) says:

    A great success. I’m sure it galls the Herald reporter to have to include the key fact:

    Most parents then met their obligations quickly enough to have their benefits restored, but 157 had benefits formally suspended or cancelled in the first three months of the new regime.

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  4. mandk (949 comments) says:

    quote from CPAG: “The action group says the tough system risks “entrenching a separate and unequal class of manifestly disadvantaged children”.

    Actually, the tough system is doing precisely the opposite. Any system that lets people doing nothing to improve their situation while they are on benefits is manifestly cruel because it traps people into poverty and offers them no way out.

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  5. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (869 comments) says:

    All gone by lunch time when David Cunliffe takes over. National is wasting its time implementing all these changes…..already the whingers at CPAG have started mourning these changes….

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  6. duggledog (1,496 comments) says:

    Admirable in a way I guess, in that after thirty odd years someone has had the temerity to do something about the massive disaster that is the cradle to grave welfare state

    Unfortunately may be too little far too late. Should have happened in the 1980s, we might have just about nipped reliance on other people for everything as a lifestyle in the bud.

    We have now successfully bred a substantial rump of Kiwis who have no qualifications, no work habits, no desire to move to where the work is, high expectations, no ideas about time keeping, punctuality, what is decent behaviour and so on.

    There are jobs, thousands of them, but employers don’t want these folk. Dead weight on the country.

    You only solve this by importing a few million immigrants with a different mindset and culture of self reliance to outnumber them 20 to 1 as opposed to 10 to 1

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  7. gravedodger (1,545 comments) says:

    Evidence that the first 5% of “unemployed” are in fact unemployable or would not work even if the benefit system that sustains them ended tomorrow.

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  8. mandk (949 comments) says:

    @ duggledog

    Sadly, you are correct. The benefits system has effectively disabled large numbers of people by removing any responsibilities and expectations.

    You will find significant numbers of young people in places like Wainui, Naenae and Porirua who simply wouldn’t know what to do if you offered them a job in Wellington. They wouldn’t be able to organise the transport, and they would be scared of going to the big city. It’s pathetic in the true sense of the word.

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  9. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Interesting statistics . . . may stop breeding for lifestyle, believing that they have a given right to thieve taxpayers’ hard-earned money. Creeps like Campbell will have a meal out of this, and who effen cares.

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  10. duggledog (1,496 comments) says:

    MandK

    Yip I know so many people that fit the description. But the deadbeats that do not know how to wipe their arses aren’t even the problem; it’s the ones who also spend their leisure time (read: all day every day) engaging in activities that probably cost more to the tax payer than their tax payer funded lifestyle welfare cheque.

    From Council rates paying to remove graffiti, to courts wasting their time with a guy who stole a McDonald’s sign, to Police and truancy officers running round picking up the pieces to hospitals trying to stem the flow of obese slugs with diabetes.

    Billions and billions and billions straight down the bog. Ever wonder why the Aussies won’t give Kiwis access to the dole? Generations have gone over there to abuse that system too.

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  11. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (5,854) Says:
    October 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Well, that probably accounts for a certain previously heavy commenter’s conspicuous absence.

    All worth it for that outcome alone.

    Amen.

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  12. Odakyu-sen (568 comments) says:

    “You only solve this by importing a few million immigrants with a different mindset and culture of self reliance to outnumber them 20 to 1 as opposed to 10 to 1″

    I think this would only perpetuate the problem as it would give a tax-hungry government more income-tax revenue to channel into welfare.

    NZ is turning into a giant milk separator. The immigrant milk goes in one end of the machine, the cream comes out the other end and departs to Australia, and the skim milk stays behind. Time to make low-fat cheese, I say.

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  13. edhunter (535 comments) says:

    So of 13000 cuts in 2 yrs only 157 are not work ready.
    How many of those 13000 are actually working? All 12843 of them?
    If half of them were working that’d be a success, but if all that’s happened is a few more hoops have been created for them to jump through before they get the benefit that’s hardly a success.

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  14. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    dime, slightly off topic but I know a young lad who was laying about until WINZ told him he’d be sent on a military-style course. Suddenly he found the motivation to get a job!

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  15. Harriet (4,761 comments) says:

    edhunter#

    “…..If half of them were working that’d be a success, but if all that’s happened is a few more hoops have been created for them to jump through before they get the benefit that’s hardly a success….”

    Very good point.

    Jumping through hoops means going on a ‘course’, just about any ‘course’, and it is simply keeping other workers in jobs, jobs where those workers ‘train’ the unemployed in ‘how to apply for a job’, with their pay actually being ‘other people’s money’ – courtesy of the tax payer.

    The true unemployment record is twice what it is – when you take into account all the people who work in the ‘unemployment industrial complex’, made up of both public sector union workers in the likes of Polytecs and Winz, and the private sector which receives contracts, funding, and grants, so as to provide ‘programmes’ ‘courses’ ‘training’ ‘consultancy’ and other ‘professional services’.

    The whole thing is a joke – and they are on more than $18.70hr. Lots, lots more.

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  16. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Yeah, let’s just cut them all off, in fact let’s turn devonport into a private compound at the round about. That’ll keep those cutoff benies out of my area and i don’t have to look at them. Compound living mate, can’t beat it. No ferals, nada. I can’t stand it when they come up to my truck and want to wash my windscreen, that’s the last thing i want to see on any given day.Who the hell carries money on them anyway? Let’s cut them all off, i know some of the old folks out there will get hit and possibly die from increased targeted burglaries but that’s life isn’t it.

    I’m just a bit iffy on using couriers for my important mails as some of those fakin indians are atrocious, have you seen how they throw their packages around in their vans? fedex, useless. I’ve been talking to a few South african neigbors of mine and they say we should all start investing in more compound areas.

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  17. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Sue Bradford certainly has been quiet of late….

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  18. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’m starting to get a few turning up to ask if I have a job, even though I am not advertising any. When I say sorry they then produce a piece of paper for me to sign. I tell them to fuck off. It’s the nineties all over again.

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  19. adze (2,060 comments) says:

    So does that mean PhilU is likely working now? :-?

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