France revolts against new taxes

October 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Daily Telegraph reports:

A poll on the front page of last Tuesday’s Le Monde, that bible of the French Left-leaning Establishment (think a simultaneously boring and hectoring Guardian), translated into stark figures the winter of François Hollande’s discontent.

More than 70 per cent of the French feel taxes are “excessive”, and 80 per cent believe the president’s economic policy is “misguided” and “inefficient”. This goes far beyond the exiles such as Gérard Depardieu, members of the Peugeot family or Chanel’s owners. Worse, after decades of living in one of the most redistributive systems in western Europe, 54 per cent of the French believe that taxes – of which there have been 84 new ones in the past two years, rising from 42 per cent of GDP in 2009 to 46.3 per cent this year – now widen social inequalities instead of reducing them.

I guess this is what people mean when they vow to over-turn neo-liberalism. 84 new taxes!

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27 Responses to “France revolts against new taxes”

  1. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    I would much rather read The Guardian than a rightwing propaganda sheet like Rupert’s The Australian.

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  2. Dennis Horne (2,292 comments) says:

    Hollande graduated from the Grandes Ecoles. He is intellectually very capable indeed, but he will find no answer. France is bankrupt.

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  3. Kleva Kiwi (285 comments) says:

    The French are very good at running away from their problems…

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  4. Redbaiter (8,211 comments) says:

    Its long past time that we recognised the problem of people who do not pay tax. If you have a large sector of the population who do not contribute to the cost of government then these people will always –

    vote for higher taxes

    vote for more government services

    vote for bigger government generally

    vote for more handouts from government.

    This is what you get if you have a large contingent of electors WITH NO SKIN IN THE GAME.

    Every single person who votes should pay enough tax to actually contribute to the cost of government. Otherwise it makes a sham of democracy.

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  5. Harriet (4,716 comments) says:

    Socialist Utopia:

    The French all got excited working for eachother’s wives and children, labouring to fill the communal store, and all rakeing the park and maintaing public property.

    And from all the 60yrs of that effort returns the folly of it’s foundations – inequality, disparity, envy and lazyness!

    The useful idiots just don’t ever learn.

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  6. queenstfarmer (767 comments) says:

    I would much rather read The Guardian than a rightwing propaganda sheet like Rupert’s The Australian.

    Um… it’s quoting Le Monde, that bible of the French Left-leaning Establishment (think a simultaneously boring and hectoring Guardian)

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  7. Allyson (47 comments) says:

    I watch with interest the comparison between French socialism and Sweden’s conservatism. With similar problems, one country lowered taxes, the other increased taxes. Both hope to grow their economies in a socially just manner. It will be very interesting to analyse both France and Sweden to see what we can learn and apply in New Zealand.

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  8. Harriet (4,716 comments) says:

    “….I watch with interest the comparison between French socialism and Sweden’s conservatism….”

    Swedens not conservative, they’ve simply stopped imposing socialism because they have run out of other peoples money.

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  9. peterwn (3,232 comments) says:

    ‘boring and hectoring Guardian’ – would hate to see what the ‘Telegraph’ says about the ‘Mail’ and the various tabloids.
    See: (one minute in)

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  10. Nigel Kearney (953 comments) says:

    The French haven’t revolted against anything. They have just said they don’t like high taxes. People will always say they want lower taxes, more government spending, lower working hours and less debt. Unless the tradeoff is contained in the question it tells us nothing. If there were any major spending cuts I would expect France to actually revolt, worse than Greece probably. They have lived as parasites for so long they have forgotten any other way.

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  11. EAD (913 comments) says:

    Of course they need to keep taxing the French people till the pips squeak. How else are they going to pay for all of their “enriching” diversity and “equality” whereby no matter how little you put into society, you can take as much as you want all in the name if “fairness”.

    The real colossal stupidity of this around the world is that the “leaders” are well aware they are trudging the well known, well-documented path to national failure. Yet they proceed with every step unflinchingly and right on queue.

    They seem to think that because they’ve always been a step ahead of the plebes, able to exempt themselves from their own stupidity that they will be able to avoid the consequences that come with burning down your own house.

    “We know this is all going to come down, but it won’t bite us too hard.” They’ll find out too late, they were wrong

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  12. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    I would much rather read The Guardian than a rightwing propaganda sheet like Rupert’s The Australian.

    He said in the first comment on a thread on New Zealand’s second most popular right-wing blog.

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  13. EAD (913 comments) says:

    Right on queue on Zerohedge:

    You won’t believe what the French are taxing now!! A list of 6 of the most absurd taxes of them all

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-22/you-wont-believe-what-french-are-taxing-now

    Also contains a great little video of one of the best politicians of our times, Nigel Farage.

    Finishes with the chilling observation

    “Because France is broke. Like so many other nations across the West, France has been rendered completely insolvent by decades of unsustainable spending.

    France has been in this position before. In the 18th century, the French Bourbon monarchy was the pinnacle of civilization.

    Yet decades of unsustainable spending took their toll on the economy. They tried everything– raising taxes, debasing the currency… yet their was no avoiding the inevitable. Revolution.

    And this period of turmoil, from the time the French people stormed the Bastille, to the time when calm prevailed, took 26-years.

    Wealth and power have constantly shifted throughout history. And the transitions are rarely smooth or peaceful. It’s foolish to assume that this time is any different.”

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  14. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    In NZ of course it’s all those people who have ridden high on CAPITAL GAINS who don’t pay tax.

    The Tax Working Group suggested a land tax:

    Local councils or Inland Revenue would gather the tax, based on the rating valuations.
    “As a base-broadening measure, land tax has a number of merits,” the group said. “Because of the size of the land base – valued at approximately $480 billion, prior to any negative impact on land values as a result of the imposition of the tax – a large amount of revenue could be raised at a low rate.”
    Two-thirds of the $2.3 billion (about $1.52 billion) would come from residential sections. Farms and forests account for about a quarter, and commercial and industrial sites the rest.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10623183

    PM says ‘no’
    Prime Minister John Key reiterated later a land tax and broader capital gains tax were still off the cards. Asked whether the implementation of one or the other could allow government to reduce income taxes to give people more income to spend, he replied:
    “At the risk of repeating myself from last year, we looked at a land tax, and land taxes, one, reduce the value of land in New Zealand, by definition, and it has an impact on every single homeowner in New Zealand.”

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/52737/imf-recommends-govt-broaden-capital-gains-tax-base-and-introduce-land-tax-your-view

    Nordmeyers Black Budget was in hindsight the right thing to do but politicians learnt that if you do the right thing you will be voted out.

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  15. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    The French people knew what was in store when they voted for him. It’s a simple cause and effect of democracy.

    France is running a major budget deficient, there’s only 2 ways to close that, cut spending or raise taxes.

    The French people choose the second option, they’ve made their bed etc etc..

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  16. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    On my recent trip to Europe I did think that France was the most expensive country I visited. I wonder if there is a correlation between taxation and cost of living?
    That said, it was comparable to Aussie. I considered the other countries I visited to be cheaper.

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  17. Redbaiter (8,211 comments) says:

    “I wonder if there is a correlation between taxation and cost of living?”

    A purchase item or a service costs X to produce. The sale price of that item or service is X plus the cost of government plus the profit margin.

    Example-

    A litre of petrol probably costs about 50c basic to produce. Its sold for about 5c a litre profit wholesale. The rest is the cost of government.

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  18. Mobile Michael (438 comments) says:

    I have to say it: The reason NZ has lagged behind the OECD growth rate for 30 years is because we stopped spending money we didn’t have. Now the rest of the OECD has to face the same thing Labour did in 1984. It’s not popular but you have to face reality.

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  19. Redbaiter (8,211 comments) says:

    There is another aspect to it too. Example- new regulations regarding oil drilling are an impractical and irrational reaction to watermelon scare mongering that will add immensely to the the price of petrol at the pump.

    So the more money you pay government, the more money is used by shiney arsed bureaucrats to dream up idiotic regulations to hobble the private sector.

    Your getting squeezed from both directions.

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  20. Redbaiter (8,211 comments) says:

    Sorry, no time to edit- “You’re getting squeezed from both directions”.

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  21. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    France’s Hollande is right – more taxes will encourage people to work harder and longer to earn more to make up for the extra taxes extracted and as a bonus workers will be so tired after working longer and harder they will have no energy to revolt. Hollande has also instructed the moon to increase its rotation period so we have 3 tides a day to increase the ability of shipping to enter and leave harbours quicker to match the increase in production, soon we will see the results with France a world leader in……………. stupidity and another short book will be written like Famous French Military Victories – no content just a title.

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  22. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    The Rent Trap
    For the housing market’s winners, the gains have been spectacular.
    Infometrics director Sir Gareth Morgan calculates that between 1989 and 2005, the residential property market has provided investors – and owners – with a tax-free 319% gain.
    http://www.catalyst2.co.nz/blog/news/the-rent-trap/

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  23. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Outraged developers in Queenstown have blasted a proposal before the Government suggesting radical changes to the tax system.

    Yesterday the Tax Working Group, a think tank set up to look at the tax system, published their findings.

    The report labels the tax system broken and recommends a range of changes including introducing a land tax on all properties and raising GST from 12.5 per cent to 15 per cent.

    The measures would be balanced by lowering the top rate of tax to at least 33 per cent from 38 per cent and compensating beneficiaries and superannuitants for the rise in GST.

    It says the burden for paying tax is falling on workers who do not receive working for families benefits while the wealthiest earners are avoiding tax by shifting income into trusts, rental properties and other savings vehicles.

    But several Queenstown developers reacted angrily to the land tax recommendation, with one predicting it could lead to another recession.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/3248188/Developers-slam-land-tax-proposal

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  24. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    so if the people serving industry can’t pay tax, we must be subsidising them?

    Remember when farming was the backbone of the country?. Now the backbone is just cartilage propped up by the tricky-dickie spin doctor and lobbyist.

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  25. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Expect Silent T and his socialist mob to do the same here.

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  26. MT_Tinman (3,089 comments) says:

    France revolts against new taxes

    There can be no doubt the French are revolting – whether the new taxes are to blame is debateable.

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  27. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    “France revolts against new taxes”

    Meanwhile in Godzone leftie prats are crying out for a CGT!! :)

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