Nasty Rudman

October 18th, 2013 at 12:15 pm by David Farrar

A foul column in the NZ Herald by Brian Rudman on John Slater.  It is just paragraphs of name calling and taunting. What a sad day for journalism.

People can have legitimate views on Cam Slater and his blogging style. But to attack John as a way to getting at Cameron is sad.

Cameron doesn’t take direction from anyone. Not his Dad. Not me. Definitely not National. Not his friends. Even Cactus Kate has limited persuasive success with Cameron. Cameron does what he thinks is right. You can love him or loathe him for it, but to use him to attack his father is pathetic.

On the topic of , it is worth contrasting his steadfast defence of Len Brown with his pilloring of Richard Worth.

Rudman even complains that the Worth complainants didn’t go to the media!

 

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  1. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    How ironic that Rudman starts his piece as follows:

    Poor old John Slater. The one-time Rasputin of Auckland right-wing politics has suffered the fate all politicians dread. Ignored.

    Increasingly Rudman is becoming irrelevant, unimportant, and … ignored. I certainly don’t pay him any attention any more. I suspect that he trots out columns like this in a desperate attempt to garner attention and justify his job.

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  2. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    Just been discussing this on Twitter and ODT’s political and business reporter commented on John Slater:

    Dene Mackenzie ‏@mackersline

    I interviewed John Slater many times and found him absolutely a straight talker and honest man. Never doubted it.

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  3. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Please APN- Hurry up and go broke and take the NZ Herald and its collection of extreme left propagandists with you.

    Might as well just read the socialist rag Green Left Weekly six times a week.

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  4. In Vino Veritas (136 comments) says:

    No one should be surprised by this. Rudman has consistenly shown his political colours and often writes left wing drivel. Though he has surpassed himself with the piece on John Slater, which is more typical of writings on the Standard. I wonder if the Herald will sack him for lack of neutrality?

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    I’ve also blogged on this. It is a particularly nasty and vitriolic piece by Rudman, and it is pleasing to see it being condemned even by some from within the journalist profession. John Slater’s only crimes seem to having being the father of Cameron Slater and being the organiser of John Palino’s campaign for the Auckland mayoralty, but Rudman has done a real character assassination job on him.

    Compare this piece with the very moderate editorial that got Jock Anderson sacked. The wrong news organisation sacked the wrong person.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/rudman-gets-nasty.html

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  7. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    KS- I’ve got a lot of time for Jock Anderson as a professional journalist but he was told no editorialising on the Brown issue and he went and editorialised. Pretty much made his own bed and has to lie in it.

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,661 comments) says:

    Cannot the Herald be sued by John Slater or John Palino both for the article and the comments they allow on their site?

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  9. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Is Rudman too gutless to take on Cameron Slater, so he attacks the father? What a wimp!

    Rudman at least is openly Labour through and through. Did I read somewhere he’s proudly a party member? If so, this should be disclosed at the foot of the dialectical discourses disguised as his columns.

    The Hooerald continues to veer to port side politically, its owners absent, oblivious, and unconcerned, the crew drunk on a delusion of anarchic power.

    Worse than Rudman’s entrenched politics are his choice of hero: a rooting ratbag, as Whale aptly puts it.

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  10. Yogibear (274 comments) says:

    One gets the sense a poisonous, vindictive piece on John Slater has been on Rudman’s to-do list for a good number of years.

    Great for him that he’s ticked off one of his life’s great goals. Sad, sad man.

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  12. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    Rudman is to ‘quality journalism’ what Pants Down Brown is to ‘family values’.

    Distant strangers.

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  13. greenjacket (415 comments) says:

    Has the Herald’s editor taken leave of his senses?

    I realise that it can’t be nice having Whaleoil continually snipe at you, and it must be professionally deeply embarassing to have had Whaleoil get the scoop of Len Brown’s affair rather than the Herald.

    But the Herald has been incredibly unprofessional about the Len Brown affair. Its focus has not been on Len Brown and his inappropriate behaviour or the impact that this will have on Auckland, but to allege right wing conspiracies and attacks on Whaleoil. Bizarre.

    When New Zealand’s largest newspaper is so rattled by a blogger it suggests that its leadership is not very steady.

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  14. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    One of the Responses in the Hoorald is this (from ERT, 10:14 AM Friday, 18 Oct 2013):

    What a lowlife you are Mr Rudman. Smearing another man to try and take the emphasis away from the real story, that of a compromised mayor, offering favours for favours. You are behaving worse than any of the other players. hold your head in shame.
    416 Likes

    Well said. Give that (wo)man a DB.

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  15. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Rudman on Worth 10 June 2009:

    …more than a century after Kate Sheppard and her fellow suffragettes won for women the right to vote, and half a century after the radical feminists strutted their stuff, mature women continue to be strung along by these randy old goats….

    Yet this doesn’t apply to the Auckland Mayor, in Rudman’s view. That is arch hypocrisy.

    As an aside, Rudman wouldn’t know that Kate Sheppard was a bit of a randy goat herself, moving into a large, respectable, loving Victorian family, usurping the mother and taking over the father, and thus destroying the family’s happiness.

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  16. Bill Ted (79 comments) says:

    Sadly David Fisher at the Herald has a deep personal hatred of Cameron Slater that isn’t entirely undue, but it deeply affects his ability to do his job. Fisher actually used to be an incredibly good journalist – better than Phil Kitchen. He’s very influential at the Herald so they follow his lead a lot, and unfortunately he’s influencing another really good journo in Jared Savage, who is something of his protege. Fisher will always take the opposite view to Slater, no matter what. He hates him that much. It’s a pretty sad to see what he’s become.

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  17. NK (1,060 comments) says:

    Jock Anderson was sacked for his piece. Why can’t Rudman be sacked? Rudman is best mates with Mike Williams, former Labour Party prez.

    Rudman is a snivelling sook who wouldn’t dare say anything like this to Slater’s face, so he hides behind his pen. A spineless gimp.

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  18. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Jesus….As others have said, Rudman’s left wing rants have become pretty predictable…and soporific….but that piece takes the cake…probably not defamatory, but certainly more suited to the Stranded than New Zealand’s former journal of record…Fisher is chief reporter isnt he, not the editor? The buck stops with the guy with “Editor” on his desk….

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  19. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Jock Anderson should be working for Cameron Slater. Jock is an old-time reporter, who repeated an old definition on Gentleman Jim’s Radio NZ show: a journalist is a reporter with two suits.

    I think Jock, like Slater, is also an old Truth man.

    If the NBR and the public-opinion tide had been in support of Mr Bonking Brown, I suspect Jock would have been fired for, against instructions, writing an editorial attacking Mr Bonking Brown and demanding his resignation.

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  20. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    Bill Ted – for unknown reasons David Fisher has also taken a dislike to me as evidenced by attempts to sneer and oppose my views, while bragging about some journalist award he got.

    Twitter can be quite revealing about the true character of journalists – and revealing about some of their obvious political preferences and dislikes.

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,661 comments) says:

    VeeDub (Auckland Central)
    10:23 AM Friday, 18 Oct 2013
    Oh what a lot of rubbish. Of course John Slater knew. The Whale Oil blog is the vehicle of choice for the dirty part of all National ongoing anti left campaigns (including Palinos). I can’t believe you think the voting public is so daft as to believe this nonsense. For goodness sake – the ‘whale’ is the campaign managers son!

    This comment from the Herald site seems like is may be defamatory to me.

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  22. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    Rudman is one of the very few (if not the last) remaining Auckland Star pinkos.

    When the Star was alive, his left wing bias was known to all his colleagues. Those of the quality of Ian Templeton, Pat Booth and Noel Holmes ignored him, and so, most often, did the Editors of the Star. His switch to the Herald coincided with the cessation of quality editors, Peter Julian Scherer being the last. Ellis never quite cut the mustard, but one would give anything to have Ellis back in place of the current left wing mob. They surpass the Guardian to shame as the torch bearer of socialism, flying under the flag of true neutrality.

    And that raises another issue – the political bias of Herald columnists…and now reporters. The scandalous hit campaign being organised and conducted for November by the Herald (see GD and Whale today on Simon Collins, the ex Alliance creep) cast doubt on the objectivity of ALL Herald reporters. Every time from now on, whenever Armstrong, Trevett, Young and Fisher opine their views will be tarnished by Collins and Rudman- and others. Terry Mclean would be apoplectic.

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  23. 2boyz (249 comments) says:

    What a C**t!

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  24. Bill Ted (79 comments) says:

    You’re right Garrett, Fisher isn’t editor but it’s his good mate who is. He walks all over him. Can you imagine any reputable editor letting a journo write a fawning book about Dotcom? It’s impossible to take them seriously when they get so entwined with their supposed news subjects.

    Pete – yeah Fisher is a big Twitter fan. I get the impression he’s slightly envious of Paddy Gower, who transitioned from the Herald to be the face of TV3 and household identity. Fisher suffers from the ego a lot of journos do. He wants to be famous, but as a print journo you don’t get that luxury so he’s doing everything he can to put himself into the public domain. Even if that means being the news, a bit like Andrea Vance in that way.

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  25. burt (7,789 comments) says:

    A lefty defending a lefty and playing the man not the ball – this is surely a first ????

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  28. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    “No wonder the Tories are down in the polls.”

    Who? Did you mean national? The dudes who are like 45-50% on average. Yeah shocking, would be much better to be at 12% like the opposition.. or 30% like labour

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  29. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    The best thing about the herald is they are out of touch. Misreading the people. They have played the len brown thing wrong.

    I had this lady say to me yesterday “the herald are really left wing”. ive never heard her mention politics before.

    No wonder their business is in free fall

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  30. RightNow (6,642 comments) says:

    “If the right are going to fling it around”

    You mean Len Brown is part of the right?

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  31. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Rudman falls into a vile category with Vance, Campbells (two of them), Mutch, Mould, and Guyon Espiner. These foul creeps have destroyed any credibility media once had.

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  32. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    Headline from Stuff a few ago…..

    Commodore guilty

    Commodore Kevin Keat 2:46pm High-ranking officer found guilty of five charges relating to an affair with a civilian subordinate.
    *****

    Say, isn’t a Commodore the = of a full bull colonel .. or is it Brig General…or is it the Mayor of the largest metropolis in NZ?

    Anyone see any similarity?

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  33. RightNow (6,642 comments) says:

    “Anyone see any similarity?”

    Nope, he’s fair game because he’s not a lefty.

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  34. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ Bill Ted (3.01pm) – that might explain why Fisher has thrown in his lot with Kim Dotcom, to the point of becoming Dotcom’s unofficial PR man. Where Dotcom is concerned, Fisher has lost any semblance of objectivity.

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  35. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    RightNow (5,843) Says:
    October 18th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
    ***
    I wish could understand your sense of humour….

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  36. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    Samuel Smith (is he Hamnida reincarnated?) said

    Do you seriously believe Rudman’s article was harsher on John Slater than Cameron Slater’s blog posts on Len Brown?

    I realise that you can’t see paste your hatred of neo-libs (whatever they are) Samuel. But surely even an entrenched leftie like you can understand that:

    a) John Slater isn’t the Mayor of Auckland, and
    b) To the best of my knowledge, John Slater has never had an affair with Bevan Chuang, and
    c) John Slater didn’t give Bevan Chuang perfume, lingerie and a reference for a job, and
    d) John Slater has almost certainly never had sex in the Ngati Whatua Room at Auckland Council

    This scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with John Slater, but everything to do with Len Brown. So why is Rudman indulging in character assassination on someone who has done nothing wrong?

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  38. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    “Do you seriously believe Rudman’s article was harsher on John Slater than Cameron Slater’s blog posts on Len Brown? ”

    Maybe they are equally harsh — I don’t know because I don’t read Rudman. There is a difference. Brown transgressed. There is not a shred of evidence that Slater Snr did anything wrong.

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  39. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    @ShayneCurrieNZH
    Big new developments in the Len Brown saga in the NZ Herald tomorrow

    @TheNationTV3
    Explosive new revelations on the Len Brown affair – is it a right-wing conspiracy? @Rachel_Smalley has the details, 10.00am, @TV3nz tomorrow

    Not looking flash for John Palino and whoever else might be implicated.

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  40. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    “Samuel Smith (is he Hamnida reincarnated?)”

    Almost certain. Hints
    1. Use of the term “neolibs”
    2. Use of the term “tory”
    3. Complete inability to make an intelligent or constructive comment.
    4. Troll personified.

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  41. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    Doesn’t really bother me though Rudman used the words either ‘poor’ or ‘old’ at least 6 times in that piece. Not great writing and no semblance of neutrality – ‘poor old’ ruddy.

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  43. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    John understands the game of politics and he can take it even from a boring old fart like Brian Rudman.

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  44. Richard Hurst (752 comments) says:

    Auckland Mayor Len Brown and Commodore Kevin seem to have a self-inflected disease that affects certain middle aged men. Its symptoms include deliberate calculated lies and betrayal of their partner and family. An arrogant immaturity in regard to personal relationships, rampant narcissism and a cowardly inability to face the truth of living a lie. It is a disease which initially gives a feeling of youthful masculinity, a hazy mirage of rediscovered youth and the possibility of having your cake and eating it.
    It then gives way to the reality of a sagging gut, painful joints, an aging body, in some a reliance on Viagra, fear of discovery and anger when this happens. If some decently has survived then self-disgust, guilt and remorse follow.
    The cure is usually separation/divorce and division of property. Long after the disease has past it leaves a lingering question over them: If they can’t be trusted in their private life how can they be trusted at all?

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  45. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Here ‘s the rub, Rudmans op ed on Slater is tongue in cheek designed to get the right frothing at the mouth which judging by the comments on this thread worked to good effect.
    Slater snr paw marks are all over the Brown expose, the need for an affadavit a classic Slater snr tactic.Slater jnr would have moved earlier if he could but was counselled wisely to delay publication. Never the less the story was easily the scoop of the year for Cameron. There is undoubtedly an even bigger back story to come as the players in this saga are unmasked.

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  46. itstricky (1,529 comments) says:

    Yoza is correct – either he can not handle his own troops or he is in on it.

    I can not percieve of how that is classed as a personal attack mearly a joining of the dots. And rich of DPF to go on about nastiness as he did not quite find that word in his vocab. When Slater Junior published details that weren’t really necessary. I guess Junior thought would make great reading for the headhunters from Heat magazine.

    Where there is smoke there is fire. Lay down with dogs et al. Still waiting for The Truth (complete with back page ads. From Miss Chaug)

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Not looking flash for John Palino and whoever else might be implicated

    Are you living full time on the planet loon?

    John Palino can be outed as paying Bev to shag Lennie, who cares. Its doesn’t matter ,lennie is the one pulling himself in his Mayoral Office. John palino didn’t give her a reference for a council gig. John Palino didn’t get caught shagging the mayor in a council room.

    I hadn’t heard of John Palino prior this election I will hear nothing of him ever again Who gives flying fuck what Rachel Smally says at 10.00. TV3 credibility rating please….FFS

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  48. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Gosh the Lefties are all hurting because of Dirty Lying Len’s sexual trists – hurting so much that they are spinning hard out to invent new conspiracy theories (and playing down Dirty Lying Len’s escapades).

    What a shame for them that some in the media (Fairfax, TVNZ and RNZ) are calling Dirty Len out. Fairfax yesterday were already using words such as “disgraced Mayor Len Brown”…. oh dear!

    Keep spinning you misogynist spinners!

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  49. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    Rudman is just part of the left’s playbook on damaging scandals – divert, distract, blame the woman, attack the messenger and use any means at hand to do so. Rudman is so deep in the tank for Labour and Brown that he didn’t even need a prompt from David Lewis.

    Its nice to see Rudman getting caned in the Herald’s comments section.

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  50. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    The people’sflag posted at 4.34:

    Poor widdle Cameron, being picked on the big nasty Herald!

    That’s the point, you who uses the Bolshevik flag for your pseudonym. Comrade Rudman in the Hooerald didn’t have the guts to take on Cameron Slater, he went after his father. None of you have the courage to try to harpoon Whale. So you go after his family.

    Labour is getting no traction trying to direct fire away from Bonking Brown. This singing, dancing mayoral rooter is a sensation.

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  51. lolitasbrother (467 comments) says:

    Yes, its all a right wing conspiracy , yes thats right, it has nothing to do with the little Princess cork soaker , it was all bullied on her, Slater bullied her into it, She voted for Len, even though she was in the other team yes thats right.
    But I think Slater would have been better to leave out lurid unlikely, contrived and spiced up details.
    The Princess went out of her way, some say she is great at going out of her way, and she knows which way is up. She does as much damage as possible to Brown . But its Slater’s fault, and his father’s fault, and if not them Richard Worth or John Banks, maybe even John Key, yes Martyn Bradbury says its John Key’s fault. .

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  52. Paul Marsden (983 comments) says:

    Brown will be gone on or, before Sunday.

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  53. nasska (10,607 comments) says:

    There have been a few comments suggesting that Whale went over the top when he published some of the more salacious details.

    If he had kept the release low key, dollars gets you not very much at all that the venal Len loving MSM would have devoted a couple of column centimetres on the bottom of page 12 & let it go at that. Only the fact that Whale went nuclear & his reader’s subsequent reactions have kept the wanking weasel even close to the spotlight.

    Never underestimate the conniving ways of socialist reporters.

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  54. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Brown will be gone on or, before Sunday.

    As much as I would love to believe this I don’t see it happening.

    Surely someone who commits credit card fraud and then has the moral compass to blame it on being too busy whilst simultaneously comparing himself to Jesus Christ will be able to shrug off adultery, conflicts of interest, potential bribery and breaches of the council code of conduct like it is nothing.

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  55. lolitasbrother (467 comments) says:

    Q. What sort of girl keeps texts from a man for months
    A Princess girl who loves her man

    Could it be the social climbing cork soaker. who instigated. Just think dudes I know she lloks pretty common, but
    when the face is down ..
    How can Martyn Bradbury implicate John Key in all this

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  56. Andrew M (43 comments) says:

    I think you’ll find Slater answers to Banksie.

    Len wronged Banksie
    Dotcom wronged Banksie
    Both feature prominently in WO stories.

    I don’t have a dog in the fight, but anyone who can’t see Cameron’s undying loyalty to Banksie is a bit dim.

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  57. Floyd60 (87 comments) says:

    Slaters have been with us for millions of year. They are not highly evolved but they know what it takes to survive.

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  58. nasska (10,607 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ff3d5ban9yjizja/Len%202.jpg

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  59. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    Sorry, DPF, but I don’t see anything wrong with Rudman’s column.

    Rudman points out that Slater Jnr didn’t consult with Slater Snr about activities he was undertaking in a campaign run by Slater Snr. So what!

    Rudman points out that Slater Snr advised Palino to ignore the shit Slater Jnr was doing. Again, a fact, unless someone wants to contest it, and no-one has.

    Rudman points out that there was once a day that no-one in the Nats/Shots & Rats camp would fo shit without Slater’s Snr approval. Yep, that was my perception too, but I agree it is a matter of perception, and others with more inside info than I can ever pretend to have (such as Michelle Boag) might perceive otherwise.

    Rudman attacks Wewege as a sexual manipulator. Good on Rudman. The Facebook comments Bevan Chuang has released reveal Wewege as the ultimate sexually manipulating scumbag.

    So, DPF, WTF is actually factually incorrect about Rudman’s column?

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  60. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    You don’t see anything wrong with Rudman comparing John Slater to Rasputin, a man described as “a debauched religious charlatan, a lecher and a man heavily interested in sexual relations” then Toad. That probably says a whole lot more about YOU than it does about John Slater.

    So much for the Greens being the party of principle, and somehow above personal attacks. Your team is as venal as any other party in the Parliament.

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  61. OneTrack (2,563 comments) says:

    “Brown will be gone on or, before Sunday.”

    No, the snout is firmly in the trough and he isn’t letting go for anything”

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  62. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Seems a great deal of overreaction to the column. Is there some secret relating to this to which I am not privy?

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  63. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    released reveal Wewege as the ultimate sexually manipulating scumbag.

    So we are back three days Toad, poor old Lennie just feel into this chick (for two years)

    How about some fucking honesty from the Lennie supporters – len brown is slapping himself mightily because of what len brown GOT CAUGHT doing, not because of Whale, Whale Senior ,some jaapie import or Bigfoot. Len brown is in the shit because of len brown.

    If one of my kids tried to argue like some of you lot I give them a slap and tell them to grow up.

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  64. OneTrack (2,563 comments) says:

    Kevinh – “Here ‘s the rub, Rudmans op ed on Slater is tongue in cheek designed to …..”

    Bullshit. This is just nasty lefties doing what lefties do when one of their chosen ones stuffs up – throw as much crap around as possible to draw attention away from really happened. Kevin, do lefties go to nastiness classes or something, because they seem to do it so easily?

    But we all know it was John Keys fault. Of course.

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  65. Johnboy (14,859 comments) says:

    All I can say is that neither Slater senior nor junior, nor Palino, nor Bevan, nor even Len have a stupid looking moustache like that dreadful little git Rudman.

    My Mum always told me never to trust a man with a moustache, he must be hiding something! :)

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  66. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    John Key has behaved with the utmost dignity concerning this sordid episode. Does he know something we don’t?

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  67. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I believe this quote sums up Len brown and his supporters in general:

    Against Stupidity the Gods themelves Contend in Vain – Friedrich von Schiller

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  68. OneTrack (2,563 comments) says:

    “Seems a great deal of overreaction to the column. Is there some secret relating to this to which I am not privy?”

    Maybe it’s just the reminder of how much the news media is controlled by the left that makes the righties a bit grumpy. When we were growing up we were told an independent, unbiased media was what everybody wanted. Now we have the Herald and Rudman.

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  69. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    John Key has behaved with the utmost dignity concerning this sordid episode. Does he know something we don’t?</i.

    Tom
    Hes the Prime Minister, the office demands some dignity, usually, painting anyone?

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  70. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Maybe it’s just the reminder of how much the news media is controlled by the left that makes the righties a bit grumpy. When we were growing up we were told an independent, unbiased media was what everybody wanted. Now we have the Herald and Rudman.

    I don’t see the problem. Either Slater Sr knew what was going on and is culpable, or didn’t know and was incompetent. Why is it wrong to poke fun at him on those grounds?

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  71. gump (1,471 comments) says:

    Rudman is paid to write a hard hitting opinion column.

    Are any of the facts in his column on John Slater not true? I can’t see anything that is contradicted by the available evidence.

    It might not be pleasant for John Slater to see it in print but it would appear that he is either incompetent, ineffectual, or involved.

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  72. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    A vituperative blogger named Cam
    As oily and pink as cheap ham
    Tried to smack down the mayor
    But punched only air
    Now karma into his bum will ram.

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  73. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    What do you mean by “punched only air” Tom? Within five hours of Cameron Slater’s allegations being published, Len Brown was on prime-time television confirming that he (Brown) was a philandering cad and a bounder. I’d call that a slam dunk, by anyone’s standards.

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  74. stigie (886 comments) says:

    Tom says
    John Key has behaved with the utmost dignity concerning this sordid episode. Does he know something we don’t?

    He would know a lot of shit about Brown but would never let on as you would expect, and good on the PM.
    He knows this will play out through the media so he can sit back in private and eat some popcorn….

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  75. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    @Keeping Stock 8:34 pm

    Doubt that is what the Rasputin analogy to John Slater meant. Rudman more likely just meant “the man behind the scenes pulling the strings”.

    But as far as Cam Slater is concerned, he is just a fucking hypocrite:

    Prominent media commentator Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater has been outed for an extra-marital affair by a court judgment this week.

    The affair between Slater and Debbie Brown was revealed in an Auckland District Court judgment detailing a bitter fallout between Brown and her former friend Jacqueline Sperling. Both women have been linked to shock-jock Michael Laws: Sperling is a former girlfriend and Brown is a woman he was seen out with.

    Lhaws? Slater? FFS – this is as poisonous as it gets.

    KS, while I will never agree with your politics, I always thought you would be above supporting sleezebags like Lhaws and Slater Jnr.

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  76. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    The odious Cameron Slater
    Bullied a young woman to make her
    Kiss and tell
    With no thought for the belle
    Because he’s a confirmed woman hater.

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  77. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Brown won’t resign. Slater made himself look like a douche for nothing.

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  78. Johnboy (14,859 comments) says:

    A dreadful old hack from the Herald
    Wrote crap that totally bellowed
    With left wing rhetoric
    And lies meteoric
    His grey cells have certainly mellowed! :)

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  79. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ Toad – did you miss my post last week where I expressed delight and relief that Laws had not won the mayoralty in Wanganui? I even voted for Annette Main!

    As for Slater, whilst I do not agree with everything he says or does, he has taken a major scalp this week. I understand that Len Brown’s extra-curricular activities have even made it as far as CNN.

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  80. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    Oh, goodo!

    I am getting downticks just for revealing the facts of Slater Jnr’s hypocrisy over extramarital affairs.

    Maybe I need the Christians who frequently comment here to help.

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  81. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Excellent Johnboy.

    +1

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  82. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    Tom, Key has at least two reasons for keeping away from this sort of politics

    1. it demeans his office
    2. when standards of behaviour in office become an issue, it is always the ruling party that comes off worse.

    Slater junior and the Lusk acolytes seem to be forgetting the second reason.

    They don’t seem to realise they are making Cunliffe’s preparation for next years election so much easier.

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  83. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    The oleaginous Cameron the Hutt
    At erotic transgressions would tut
    But he’s hardly the one
    to knock others’ fun
    Having sampled extra-marital butt.

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  84. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ Toad – Slater’s affair is well known, and to his credit he previously admitted that he made a huge mistake. But he is not the mayor of Auckland, fiddling with himself under the desk-top whilst supposedly working in the best interests of Aucklanders. He didn’t use his influence to get his girlfriend a job with a CCO. He didn’t take freebies from Auckland’s best hotels, and arrange for his staff to leave room keys for Ms Chuang to collect. He didn’t lie to and cheat on his wife for almost two years, only telling her when the net was closing on him.

    Cameron Slater is no saint, and doesn’t profess to be. But he is not the guilty party; he’s just broadcasting the message. How about you save your opprobrium for Len Brown.

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  85. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Tom, Key has at least two reasons for keeping away from this sort of politics

    I think his real reason is that he doesn’t think it’s a good idea to act like a jackass.

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  86. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    @Keeping Stock 9:35 pm

    Yeah, I too am pleased Lhaws didn’t get elected Mayor.

    I disagree with you about extramarital rooting being a reason a politician should resign – hey, there would be hardly any left apart from Chester Borrows, Tim Macindoe, Alfred Ngaro, and Bill English who are all compelled to fidelity by fear God would strike them down.

    But if Len Brown used public money to entertain his root, that is a different story, and imo is resignation material.

    I know Len well enough to presume he has not, but welcome an investigation so we can be sure.

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  87. marcw (222 comments) says:

    Apart from Len Brown (where 99% of the responsibility lies), the only one Brian Rudman hasn’t blamed for the whole disgraceful episode is Mrs Brown. Yes, thats right – it was probably her fault too Brian. She just didn’t understand dear Lennie, and I’m suprised you haven’t included her in your list of who’s to blame.

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  88. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Gump at 9.06:

    …Rudman is paid to write a hard hitting opinion column…

    Rudman is paid to preach socialist doctrine.

    If he were a hard-hitter, Rudman would square off with Cameron Slater, but Rudman’s too much of a political pansy and went after Cameron’s father. What would you say if Cameron Slater went to work on Rudman’s family?

    And now, late in the thread, the leftist Toad crawls out from under a rock.

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  89. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Slater’s affair is well known, and to his credit he previously admitted that he made a huge mistake. But he is not the mayor of Auckland, fiddling with himself under the desk-top whilst supposedly working in the best interests of Aucklanders. He didn’t use his influence to get his girlfriend a job with a CCO. He didn’t take freebies from Auckland’s best hotels, and arrange for his staff to leave room keys for Ms Chuang to collect. He didn’t lie to and cheat on his wife for almost two years, only telling her when the net was closing on him.

    So Brownie is just a much badder pimp than Slater.

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  90. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock, mayors and many other salaried staff often have times during normal office hours when they do not work and what people do on their non working time is a private matter. Whether it is riding a bike, going for a run, sitting in the sun, watching sport or a film off Sky, having a massage, etc.

    If supplying a reference is use of influence what is the PM personally short listing someone for a job?

    MP’s have taken freebies and without even offering to pay.

    Standards once used to judge one are then new norms for judging others, once there is selective judgment – a double standard exists.

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  91. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    The odd-named Luigi Wewege
    Whose moniker sounds just like “squeegee”
    Now exposed as a fraud
    Shall die by the sword
    Because his foul deeds just weren’t peachy.

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  92. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    Jack5 9.06:

    And now, late in the thread, the leftist Toad crawls out from under a rock.

    FFS, I was painting a house until sundown. Just came here (and other blogs) recently.

    Some of us do have a day job!

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  93. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    Jack5, of course it’s clear that toad was not using a workplace resource – computer and internet connection, in working time posting on a blog about inappropriate workplace behaviour on workplace premises of someone else.

    As for the others, if employees in work time, if salaried otherwise.

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  94. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Jackson, for fuck’s sake write verse that scans!

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  95. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    SPC: if Toad was painting houses as he says, Toad is among the last of the real working people in Labour and on the Left.

    It’s now a movement of teachers, intellectuals, teachers, pseuds, teachers, social workers, teachers, feminists, teachers, gays, teachers, lesbians, teachers, Anglican ministers, teachers, journalists.

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  96. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Don’t get me wrong guys, I’m neither defending Rudman or Brown. In plain unadulterated language Len Brown had to be plain fucking stupid to get involved with Chuang. Honestly what the fuck was going on his head, has he got shit for brains?. Len is supposed to be an intelligent on to it man but has fucked up big time and has literally screwed his career. Unbelievable. Look, the long and short of it is the Slater’s could of sunk him completely if they released the story before the election, but they didn’t which is the real surprise. Len has now to die a death of a thousand cuts, the question is why.

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  97. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Back on topic:

    What could an underground rail system round Auckland do for a horny mayor?

    Would it speed him from tryst to tryst without Whale’s spies spotting him and texting to the great blogger: thar he blows – again!

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  98. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    ‘Unbelievable. Look, the long and short of it is the Slater’s could of sunk him completely if they released the story before the election, but they didn’t which is the real surprise. Len has now to die a death of a thousand cuts, the question is why’

    Need to know the date of the affidavit before you can say that.

    You’re not suggesting the Slater’s ‘hung back’ are you, if so for what point?

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  99. Paul Marsden (983 comments) says:

    Brown will know that there will be a large public protest, at his swearing in ceremony and that there is no way he will expose his family to such a public, and humiliating spectacle. And if he does get that far, I will be part of the protest too.

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  100. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Brown will know that there will be a large public protest, at his swearing in ceremony

    From who? The Anti-Sex League?

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  101. Lance (2,439 comments) says:

    You lefties must be hitting the Chardonnay hard tonight.
    You actually seem to be saying Len has credibility and those that exposed the facts are evil.

    Huge lefty clusterfuck.
    This is not going away anytime soon, certainly not by character assassination of anyone you don’t like.
    My suggestion would be to talk to people outside the lefty beltway, you might be shocked how pissed off they are with Len.

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  102. toad (3,668 comments) says:

    @Jack5 10:06 pm

    SPC: if Toad was painting houses as he says, Toad is among the last of the real working people in Labour and on the Left.

    Actually, I vote Green, for what that is worth, Jack5. And the house I am painting is one I own.

    Sorry, I guess I am a small–time property developer. It is not what I want to be, but the bizarre taxation regime that exempts capital gain as income really leaves me no better choice as to how to invest.

    Not MRP, not Meridian, despite the Government’s attractive advertising. The only thing worth investing in now is real estate, and that is a sad indictment upon John Key’s Government.

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  103. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    You actually seem to be saying Len has credibility and those that exposed the facts are evil.

    Who’s worse?

    (A) Someone who has a consensual affair with another person and conducts the affair in mildly inappropriate places, but who commits no professional misconduct.

    or

    (B) People who find out about said affair, who use bullying and deceit to force one of the parties to the affair to make sordid details of the affair public, and who were connected with a political campaign supporting (A)’s opponents.

    There’s a dilemma here. If we punish (A), we let (B) get what they want. But (B)’s actions are far worse than anything (A) did and deserve to be punished, not rewarded.

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  104. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater is no saint, and doesn’t profess to be. But he is not the guilty party; he’s just broadcasting the message. How about you save your opprobrium for Len Brown.

    Yeah right. Only problem is how he is broadcasting that message. The unnecessary, sorrid details.

    Imagine if someone had published how Cameron came on his girlfriend, on her face possibly or did she swallow. What lingerie he bought, how often or where he wanked when he was thinking of her (possibly while lying next to his wife maybe), how his preformance was, did he always use a condom, what sort of cheap presents he bought her (because whale is all class, right).

    Would have been interesting to know what he would think if his wife and his family and everyone else he knew would have been exposed to such detail.

    Now, you can say he didn’t write any of that, she did in her affidavit, but you’d have to be stupidly naive to believe that he and7or Wewege had nothing to to with the wording and details.

    And he could have chosen to break the story without those details.

    But details did he chose to ignore? The involvement of Wewege. Funny that. What is more relevant to the story? The price of lingerie or that she was also hooked up with someone from the other campaign who pressured her to publish the story.

    And the whole STD story? How come it’s insinuated that she got it from Brown, but Wewege is nowhere mentioned?

    The whole thing is a sleaziest, hypocritical hack-job from the gutter, a new low even for Whale.

    To describe Whale as “just the messenger” is a Tui ad.

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  105. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    toad at 8:19 pm –

    So, DPF, WTF is actually factually incorrect about Rudman’s column?

    I don’t believe DPF actually claimed ANYTHING was factually incorrect. Much of it is opinion, and thus cannot be discredited on a factual basis.

    What DPF DID say was that it was essentially a bunch of schoolyard-level name calling and taunting. And that attacking somebody’s father because you resent what their son has done is quite pathetic.

    And DPF is correct. Brian Rudman’s column is childish and mean-spirited.

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  106. Paul Marsden (983 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (1,610) Says:

    October 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
    Brown will know that there will be a large public protest, at his swearing in ceremony

    From who? The Anti-Sex League?

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    Playing the devils advocate and nothwithstanding any other matter (including the status of his relationship with his wife… whatever that might be…???), Brown like most of us, is a sexual being and has wants and needs that need to be satisfied, so I’ll cut him some slack there. What I can’t cut him slack on is his arrogance, ignorance, stupidity and sense of entitlement in conducting his personal affairs in such a public manner and in such public places. It is this breathtaking, naivety, stupidity and/or arrogance, that makes him in my view, unfit for the office of Mayor.

    He is an idiot and needs to go and that is why I would be part of a protest. He is simply too thick to be Mayor of Auckland City

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  107. SW (213 comments) says:

    “his arrogance, ignorance, stupidity and sense of entitlement in conducting his personal affairs in such a public manner” – what do you mean by this? It sounds as if you think Len wanted this to come out?

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  108. itstricky (1,529 comments) says:

    but anyone who can’t see Cameron’s undying loyalty to Banksie is a bit dim.

    They make a cute couple. Did Banks use his position of influence over Slater?

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  109. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    The timing of the story.

    She was unwilling for some months to sign any declaration – she was standing in the election, and had voted for him by this time.

    By the time the whale made his play for her to sign the affidavit, blogging about the Mayor and his Asian beauties, it was already the Tuesday just before the election and most of the voting has occurred.

    The so called reason for her then signing the affidavit was the response after this blog post in text messages to him and her.

    Was the Mayor or some ally aware of the affair watching the blog during the campaign the one who made the text message warnings or was it another person looking to make it public – influence them to act – who responded as if someone else with another motive?

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  110. itstricky (1,529 comments) says:

    And DPF is correct. Brian Rudman’s column is childish and mean-spirited.

    And Slater’s C-grade Woman’s Weekly High School yearbook Graffiti on the Toilets half articulate Truth gossip sauce rants are?

    I would suggest your beliefs have clouded the operation of your reading comprehension skills.

    As said earlier DPF needs to be very careful about who he is seen defending here. A bit more decorum like the PM I’d suggest.

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  111. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    Hmm – orders from David Lewis to regular lefty commentators on Kiwiblog: flood the zone and sandbag Slater. Cameron is no saint and for sure he can play rough but as Tana Umunga once famously said “ref – its not tiddywinks” – the same can be said about politics.

    The truism ‘the bigger you are the harder you fall’ is apt in the Brown affair issue. My siblings and I were on the horrible receiving end of my father’s affair and so I hold philanderers in low esteem. But most people who are unfaithful inflict damage that is limited to their families and perhaps their work environment. Voters select the mayor of New Zealand’s largest city, especially since the super city creation, very seriously. Not only are the burden of rates at stake but a raft of infrastructure and other bigger city issues on the table. Auckland needs a mayor that is 100% focused and commands respect across communities and political ideologies to unite people in the great effort needed to crack some of Auckland’s issues.

    We can argue about the morality of affairs, about the morals of the messenger who broke the story, we can second guess the motives and behaviour of Chuang, we can speculate on the role of the opposition candidates but at the end of the day, you ask any adult voter on the street in Auckland, what do you think of the mayor using council offices to shag his young Asian missus, toss off on the job, use his influence to get her first a job then an advisory board role and contracts, takes freebies at flash hotels for roots on the sly – they’ll say its just not a good look which ever way you cut this.

    The left, after ceaselessly yelling the sordid details of Richard Worth’s dalliances and Don Brash’s affairs and baying for their resignation, plead for privacy when their own stray and argue that bonking a bit of Chinese stray in no way interferes with ones ability to do the job. Any 15 year old will tell you about the credibility of an adult shredded by what most of society agrees was grubby behaviour. If the headmaster of Auckland Grammar was caught rogering his secretary on his desk at work and wanking in his chair and didn’t resign when caught, he couldn’t conduct a single assembly without a chorus of sniggering. He could scarcely discipline a student without the brutal honesty of adolescence coming back at him “but sir you did x and you had no consequence”. This is the reason why people resign when caught doing this stuff – shredded reputation leads to a severe undermining of the capability of doing the job.

    I’m not in Auckland frequently enough to comment on the ability of Len Brown to do a good job. He certainly faced no real competition this election and had Maurice Williamson stood, this discussion on 2 Minute Len would be moot as he likely would not be the mayor. But I know enough about life, politics and business to know that this affair will affect Brown’s ability to do his job effectively because fidelity to one’s marital/significant relationship vows (whether they be formal or informal) is one of the great moral tests of character. The undermining of credibility and the subsequent interference with the smooth and effective discharge of one’s duties and the reluctance to be the pot calling the kettle black is why the convention of keeping marital affairs of politicians under wraps by journalists has held for so long. In the new media environment where text/email communications can be accessed and shared keeping such indiscretions secret is next to impossible.

    The left needs to understand that their defense of Brown brings their double standard and hypocrisy into sharp focus. We on the right need to understand that power and office to those on the left is everything and will be sought for and maintained at any cost and that expecting a resignation from Brown could be wishful thinking – the caveat on that is if any further abuse of Council property or funds is uncovered and/or if further women come forward.

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  112. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    The left needs to understand that their defense of Brown brings their double standard and hypocrisy into sharp focus.

    No hypocrisy whatsoever on Cameron’s side or those on the right defending his methods. Yeah right.
    If this is not a dirty campaign, I don’t know what is.

    We on the right need to understand that power and office to those on the left is everything and will be sought for and maintained at any cost and that expecting a resignation from Brown could be wishful thinking

    bla bla bla, the left is so bad, the right is so good, what sanctimonious bullshit.
    By the same measure I could say

    We on the left need to understand that power and office to those on the right is everything and will be sought and fought for at any cost and any dirty tricks and gutter journalism are justified. Expecting a speck of decency and respect for the political opponent or their allies could be wishful thinking.

    The way Cameron and his mates have knowingly and willingly thrown Bevan Chuang under the bus to achieve their political goal is astounding. Respect and human decency are certainly nowhere to be found.

    Fact is, most sensible people on the right are appalled by Cameron and his methods and could distance them fast enough from him.

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  113. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    You can’t have a Mayor who masturbates in his office. Also being a lying credit card cheating philanderer isn’t good either.
    Brown is not of sufficient moral character to be our representative and leader of the council.

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  114. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Oops.

    John Palino met Len Brown’s former mistress for a late-night discussion in a Mission Bay car park the night after the mayoral election and just two days before the affair was made public.

    Bevan Chuang claims Mr Palino’s camp raised the possibility that Mr Brown could be shamed into resigning the mayoralty.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142627

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  115. meanybeany (21 comments) says:

    Rudman had every right to disbelieve John Slater and John Palino – looks like they were in this up to their eyeballs

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  116. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    eszett
    You conveniently gloss over the issue of gross hypocrisy. A politician on the right is caught with his pants down and every juicy detail is fair game, privacy is ignored including that of the family, the accusers are heroes for exposing this weakness and bringing down the powerful and little to no attempt is made to examine important collateral issues such as character and motive, the woman is a hapless victim of the powerful politician, the media are in full condemnation mode and the calls for resignation are loud, insistent and swift.

    A favoured son of the left is caught in the same situation there are calls for calm, to respect privacy all the while using the family as a sanctimonious shield, to realize that what a person does in their bedroom has no bearing on their job. Those who reveal the affair are attacked, vilified and accused of setting honey traps and their personal lives forensically examined for distracting evidence of flaws, the woman is a slut and a hussy and the commentariat (and the less prurient of the media) say “nothing to see here…move along”.

    If you think Len Brown can effectively do his job and all the networking and high level flesh pressing and negotiating that it entails and not be treated with significantly lesser respect then you are deluding yourself. Cameron Slater’s personal life and motives are just a red herring specifically designed to divert attention from the main event. Slater explained to Chuang on several occasions what these revelations would entail and he has that conversation on tape – this girl went in with her eyes wide open.

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  117. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    “…this girl went in with her eyes wide open.”

    And despite saying several times she wouldn’t comment again she continues to feed the media frenzy.

    Palino met with Brown’s lover

    John Palino met Len Brown’s former mistress for a late-night discussion in a Mission Bay car park the night after the mayoral election and just two days before the affair was made public.

    Bevan Chuang claims Mr Palino’s camp raised the possibility that Mr Brown could be shamed into resigning the mayoralty.

    When news of the scandal broke on Tuesday, Mr Palino denied any knowledge of the affair. But he met Ms Chuang on Sunday, October 13 – the day after the election.

    That’s hardly surprising but this gets messier and murkier. It’s hard to see there being any winners.

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  118. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Another facepalm / fail for WO Pete.

    The fact that you would put the slightest risk of being seen as a right-wing conspiracy blows my mind when WO knows more than most how biased the media is. All this will achieve is sympathy for Brown and the media losing interest in the important questions that still need to be asked.

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  119. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    A quick search of the archives on Whale Oil and Kiwiblog regarding the Richard Worth affair shows a tendency to portray Worth as an idiot who couldn’t keep it in his pants, and his sacking from cabinet and resignation from parliament was the right thing. Although there seemed to be some sort of left wing machinations at work behind the scenes, there was overwhelming agreements that a competent elected REPRESENTATIVE should know better and Worth payed the price, and tellingly so.

    While there was much discussion over the circumstances, these two prominent bloggers always held Worth to account for his decision to carry on this dalliance.

    The left blogosphere seem to stampede to use similar reasoning to excuse Len Brown. Why?

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  120. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    KIA, bullshit I say.
    Name a scandal in NZ involving a right wing politician where similar details were made public.

    Slater explained to Chuang on several occasions what these revelations would entail and he has that conversation on tape – this girl went in with her eyes wide open.

    Yeah right, how fucking blind and naive have you got to be to believe that.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9292175/Auckland-mayor-goes-to-ground-after-affair

    FEUD BETWEEN EX-MISTRESS, BLOGGER

    A war of words has erupted between Chuang and the man whose blog broke the story.

    In a Facebook post last night, Chuang claimed she had been used to advance a political agenda.

    “I have been foolish, but I feel used, abused and manipulated by people I thought were friends who have been taking snippets of what I have said to advance their own political agendas and muck-raking campaigns,” Chuang wrote.

    “And would Cam Slater and (unsuccessful Auckland mayoral candidate John) Palino’s team PLEASE stop texting and calling me. This is harassment!”

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  121. itstricky (1,529 comments) says:

    Eszett be interesting to see the response when US time rolls around. The fundamental belief that human beings are different species based on their political beliefs is an interesting phenomenom.

    And interesting to see how perceptions of tabloid Slater change over the next 24.

    Len should still stand down but this proves even more that there is no one else.

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  122. itstricky (1,529 comments) says:

    Uh oh Penny Bright moves one step closer to office…

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  123. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    Brash and Worth – in both cases sufficient details were made public for the media to bay for blood and in the case of Worth he went (rightly so in my book). The fact that Slater, or should I say the girl, gave more chapter and verse is irrelevant to the core facts of the matter. Having sex on the mayors desk, sneaking off for quick naughties at comped hotel rooms and arranging three placements for her involving remuneration is bad enough. That she has buyers remorse afterwards despite being warned of the media firestorm is a sideshow from the central issue of Brown’s suitability for the job. Slater has already posted some of the recorded footage and Cheung says what he said she said and giggles about it just as he said she does.

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  124. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    lol – kia, you’re kidding right!
    please name those details in either of those cases that you think are comparable to the ones Cameron released.

    The fact that Slater, or should I say the girl, gave more chapter and verse is irrelevant to the core facts of the matter.

    Actually no, it is not irrelevant. It is precisely what is relevant to the whole story.

    The irony is so rich it’s poking you in your right eye. Claiming such high moral ground, accusing the left of being so immoral and powerhungry, yet defending the actions of Slater and Co who has dragged NZ politics to a new low by far just to bring the mayor of Auckland down.

    And you have the gall to accuse the left of hypocrisy.

    Slater has already posted some of the recorded footage and Cheung says what he said she said and giggles about it just as he said she does.

    She giggles? And that shows you how “open-eyed” she walked into this situation.

    Goodness, you have truly drunk the Kool-Aid.

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  125. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    eszett
    You seem to elevate the fact that Slater released gory sexual detail to an offence worst than the mayor’s actual conduct which it clearly isn’t. A classic case of shooting the messenger and a standard part of the left’s playbook. My beef is actually as I stated at 7.41am and stands regardless of the QUANTITY of information Whale released. Your obsessing over his actions precisely makes my point. In all your huffing and puffing about Slater there is nary a skerrick of condemnation of Brown. And yet I can guarantee you were full throated in your desire to see Worth go despite there being a smaller quantity and quality of sexual detail of the antics in Worth’s case. Worth was right to resign as he was a slimeball and yet even he never actually managed to procure any appointments for Choudary unlike the 3 separate engagements that paid money that Brown got for his paramour.

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  126. Damien Grant (2 comments) says:

    to be fair; the Richard Worth issue was very different from Len Brown; Worth was accused of sexual harassment, I do not recall how that ended up but he did resign under a police cloud; Brown has been accused of being in a consensual relationship, albeit inappropriate.

    Not sure that these are comparable.

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  127. lolitasbrother (467 comments) says:

    would be nice if Tom Jackson could come in here,
    and clean this mess up with a rhyming quadruplet

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  128. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Rushman’s piece is hardly full of name calling and taunting.

    Slater is a slimy slug. He dishes it out and must be prepared to take it.

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  129. doggone7 (674 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater for some strange reason was upset enough, annoyed or something to write “One thing this whole sordid, grubby little affair has done has been to flush out the ethics of the media and show them up for the utterly biased scumbags most of them are, especially at the NZ Herald.”

    Eh? He often comments that the business he’s in (or past time, hobby or whatever) is just a game that he loves playing. Anything goes in the game. So he isn’t really grizzling it’s feigned upset, part of the game. He pretends the media should have ethics but knows they shouldn’t have to have them, they, like him can do what they want.

    In another universe ordinary people have expectations of the media being principled, have ethics and senses of fairness and morality.
    From that perspective DPF says “to attack John as a way to getting at Cameron is sad.” In the WhaleOil world holding back from attacking John as a way to getting at Cameron would see one considered a wuss. If we’re prepared to accept the antics of Cameron Slater and the septic world view he encourages we should be prepared to accept it from any media.

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  130. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    kia, arranging 3 placements, the first was before they met and was made by someone else, the second involved a reference being supplied but no placement by the Mayor, the third … can you elaborate what this one is?

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  131. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    SPC
    Without the reference it was highly unlikely Chuang would’ve got the art gallery job. The third assist from the mayor was contract work she got that steered in her direction.

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