The neo-nazis HQ

October 7th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Christchurch Mayoral candidate , of the so called NZ right wing resistance, has a profile page on VK.

Some people claim that Kyle and buddies are not really , just so called white pride etc.

Well these photos from his page should clear up any doubt.

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So they worship the Nazis who exterminated millions of people based on their race. That is what they call white pride? Sad little fuckers.

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They even appear to get turned on by wearing pretend uniforms.

The Police may wish to note this comment from Mayoral candidate Kyle Chapman:

Also will create the enforcer patches soon for those who have done violence for the crew.

Kyle has big plans also:

Retaliators SC is the future street force in this country and Australia, its sad that some people cant see these things untill its too late. They bury their heads in pride and over indulgent egos. Only the brotherhood of a mass movement will carry this movement forward, unleashed and focused…

They are mainly a threat to themselves, but I do hope none of them have a firearms licence:

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I presume the fat one is Kyle?

He has been convicted of fire-bombing a marae, so one can’t be entirely complacent that their neo-nazi fantasies will remain in their bedrooms.

I wonder if any of them actually have a job? I doubt it.

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194 Responses to “The neo-nazis HQ”

  1. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    No worse than what we see hanging around mosques.

    [DPF: 30 demerits. You're sick]

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  2. tvb (4,171 comments) says:

    I hope they have no firearms. A licence is a secondary matter.

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  3. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    tvb – look at the figures on the left and right in the bottom picture.

    I know they will struggle to kill rabbits with those pea shooters, but they still require a license.

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  4. Yoza (1,472 comments) says:

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  5. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    And DPF – why are you giving these dickheads publicity?

    [DPF: the perils of ignoring neo-nazis is well documented]

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    It’s pretty uncontentious to call them out on being basically fuckwits today, but how did they reach this state? What happened to them in their lives that made Nazism, racism and “right wing resistance” appealing? What can be done to prevent the next generation of this mindset arising?

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  7. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    The evil of Nazism deserves to have light shone on it.

    Why then do we continue to cover up for Communism when it is an ideology that has killed so many more people than Nazism?

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  8. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    BTW, anyone able to explain the appellation “right wing”?

    The Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party.

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  9. Lance (2,405 comments) says:

    And if by some crazy set of events the Nazi’s ever did come to power, these meat heads would be first to ‘disappear’ or get sent off to the front.
    It’s like the Turkeys calling for Thanksgiving.

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  10. tvb (4,171 comments) says:

    This is not naziism. This is plain thuggery.

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  11. PaulD (97 comments) says:

    It’s hard to tell whether they are pea shooters or air rifles, either just makes them look sad. Is Kyle really fat or are his henchmen as weedy as the backyard?

    I always like watching the scene in “Blues Brothers” where the Brown Shirts were forced to jump off the bridge.

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  12. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    No worse than what we see hanging around mosques.

    Wrong, asswipe.

    Islam has a code of ethics, Nazis not so much.

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  13. davidp (3,531 comments) says:

    The one on the right with the balaclava has visible tattoos. Funnily enough, the police include tattoo information in their offender database. Nazi fail!

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  14. dime (9,305 comments) says:

    Red – im sure chapmans economic policy is pure capitalism, a love of free trade etc lmao

    the left did a good job of convincing the world that hitler was right wing.

    anyway, what a bunch of losers. blame everyone else for the fact that they are too stupid and lazy to achieve.

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  16. Bovver (137 comments) says:

    Where’s Walter Walt and his trunk mounted M60 when you really need him.

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  17. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    Same reason you keep claiming to be right wing red.

    Confusing political reality with your own personal stupidity.

    The neo nazis are a confused bunch of kids reacting to the bewildering world around them with a little club to insulate them and reinforce their deference.

    Just like the commentators on truebilenz.

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  18. Ashley Schaeffer (400 comments) says:

    Neo-Nazis that are not so much Nazis, just a Nazi-themed gang operating at a similar level to the Mongrel Mob, Black Power, Rebels, etc. Noxious weeds in the garden bed of society. Just spray and walk away.

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  19. Dean Papa (664 comments) says:

    “I presume the fat one is Kyle?”

    hehe, Now that DPF has lost all that weight he is free to make the occasional fat joke!!

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  20. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Dime, the essence of the left is they wish to institute big government and use the power of that big government to make everybody think like them. If you apply that test to the Nazis they qualify completely. So do Mussolini’s fascists.

    So when the left try and pass off murderous totalitarian regimes as right wing they’re just trying to distance themselves from their political cousins.

    The essence of Conservatism is small weak government, therefore no big government force whether evil or benign (it never is) can ever truly represent the right.

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  21. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    @ Ryan

    What happened to them in their lives that made Nazism, racism and “right wing resistance” appealing?

    being from Christchurch.

    Funnily enough there is no chapter for this group in Manurewa but the south island allows them to flourish

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  22. MT_Tinman (2,959 comments) says:

    I see nothing there I haven’t seen in certain brown-skinned gangs tolerated (indeed one former National Party PM even encouraged one gang) by society throughout the country.

    I do note the news services are not full of beatings and murders carried out by Chapman’s rather pathetic looking crew, that space being taken up by those with a slightly darker tinge.

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  23. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    Red as always bang on the button re communism and the Aotearoa double standard.

    Cuban ambassador in Dunedin and Otago Uni hosting commie fucken propaganda.Listen to the useful idiot reporter from Dunedin local TV.

    How many political prisoners are there in Cuba? Doesn’t matter,USA bad,Cuba good.

    http://www.dunedintv.co.nz/content/cuban-ambassador-town-promote-good-relations

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  24. berend (1,629 comments) says:

    tvb: I hope they have no firearms.

    Why would you hope that?

    Ah, that’s because you don’t have one/are not allowed one.

    I don’t mind them having firearms, as long as the rest of NZ has them too. The first thing the Nazis did was making firearms illegal tvb. How does it feel to agree on a key policy of the Nazis?

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  25. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    The Nazis had support from the Bush crime family from before the second world war via Brown Brothers, Harriman.

    Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush’s coalition to resign.

    According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:

    (1) Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council’s executive director, and head of “Bulgarians for Bush.” Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.

    (2) Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of “Romanians for Bush.” Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.

    (3) Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.

    (4) Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.

    (5) Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP’s Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.

    (6) Bohdan Fedorak, leader of “Ukranians for Bush.” Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.

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  26. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The essence of Conservatism is small weak government

    so there has never been a conservative govt any where

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  27. xy (151 comments) says:

    Nice find. These fuckers marched past my workplace earlier this year.

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  28. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So they are followers of the socialist workers party, I am surprised they do not have a bigger following !

    “So they worship the Nazis who exterminated millions of people based on their race. ”

    Any comment on the other 60 million ?

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  29. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Small weak government.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/print/477444

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  30. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Like many other “pakeha” New Zealanders, Kyle Chapman is part-Maori. Could this in any way account for his extreme views?

    You have to wonder whether Hitler’s vicious hatred of Jews was similarly related to his part-Jewish ancestry. Still Germany and Austria (and other parts of central and southern Europe) had a long and nasty history of anti-Semitism. Without Hitler, there may have been Nazi pogroms but you have to wonder whether they would have been so appallingly extreme.

    From that you can wonder whether without Chapman NZ would have such a movement as he heads. Sadly, I think it would.

    Hitler’s DNA:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/hitler-jewish-dna-tests-s_n_693568.html

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  31. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    Conservatism is not the sole territory of the right .
    Identifying the right with conservatism ignores the fact that commie regimes are also conservative in nature.

    Reds political standpoint has often more in common with soviet Russia or Singapore than the right.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/authoritarian
    1. Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom:

    Absolute obedience to authority is reds true political standpoint. The authority in question being his own.

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  32. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Jack5 , The Nazi attacked more than Jews. Around 70 million died including some Jewish people. Most were Christian. The Russians suffered the worst by far.

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  33. Psycho Milt (2,203 comments) says:

    Funnily enough there is no chapter for this group in Manurewa but the south island allows them to flourish

    Point being that in the south island the violent nutters tend to be white. Not so much in Manurewa, where the violent nutters would find slogans about white power somewhat incongruous.

    … the essence of the left is they wish to institute big government and use the power of big government to make everybody think like them. If you apply that test to the Nazis they qualify completely.

    Ow! Ow! The stupid! I think it’s hit toxic levels! For Christ’s sake, get in your hazmat suit!

    The essence of Conservatism is small weak government…

    Actually, the essence of conservatism is this:

    The rich man in his castle
    The poor man at his gate
    God made them high and lowly
    And ordered their estate

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  34. Bob R (1,328 comments) says:

    ***Islam has a code of ethics, Nazis not so much.***

    @ Ugly Truth,

    Let’s take a look at that:

    “In 2009, a chapel serving the city’s 700-strong Jewish community was set ablaze. Jewish cemeteries were repeatedly desecrated, worshippers were abused on their way home from prayer, and “Hitler” was mockingly chanted in the streets by masked men.

    “I never thought I would see this hatred again in my lifetime, not in Sweden anyway,” Mrs Popinski told The Sunday Telegraph.

    “This new hatred comes from Muslim immigrants. The Jewish people are afraid now.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/7278532/Jews-leave-Swedish-city-after-sharp-rise-in-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html

    “Former Dutch EU commissioner says “recognizable” Jews are no longer safe in Netherlands due to Muslim anti-Semitism. ”

    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/I-see-no-future-for-Jews-in-the-Netherlands

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  35. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    “The Russians suffered worse by far.”

    That’s what you get when you ally yourself with the Nazi.And following the Soviet Nazi pact trade unionists in the west actively worked for the Nazi war effort against Britain when she stood alone.

    Do we ever hear of criticism of the left for that shameful episode in WW2?

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  36. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I see Bob R is getting into the spirit of things by singling out a particular religion for vilification. Clearly another neo nazi.

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  37. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “Ow! Ow! The stupid! I think it’s hit toxic levels! For Christ’s sake, get in your hazmat suit!”

    That’s rich Milt, from somebody who professes regard for open discussion but deleted my comment continuously because I would not write it as you wanted it to be written and using words you had selected.

    Anyway, great to observe a hit scored.

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  38. Bob R (1,328 comments) says:

    @ Kea,

    Given the treatment of Jewish or Christian groups in Islamic countries (and indeed jewish groups in Europe my Muslim immigrants) I think it’s reasonable to point that out in response to Ugly Truth’s comment above.

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Red – zero hedge??????

    please something better than conservo nuttery please.

    Show me a small weak conservative government that has lead its country successfully and prosperiously. I am seriously interested in this

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  40. Ashley Schaeffer (400 comments) says:

    Jack5 (3,419) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    Like many other “pakeha” New Zealanders, Kyle Chapman is part-Maori. Could this in any way account for his extreme views?

    You have to wonder whether Hitler’s vicious hatred of Jews was similarly related to his part-Jewish ancestry.

    You seem to be suggesting that Kyle Chapman has a vicious hatred of Maori, but to my knowledge this isn’t the case. Chapman is on record as saying that he has no issue with Maori at all because of their indigenous status. It’s immigrants he has a big problem with so, ironically, with the other part of his ancestry.

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  41. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    Let’s take a look at that

    Bob R, The Netherlands was one of the countries in which Gladio operated (under the name Operatiën en Inlichtingen).

    To paraphrase Edmonds: though the collusion with radical Islam had been going on for decades, it wasn’t until 1996 that a formal decision was made by NATO to abandon their previous secret relationship with neo-Fascists and arch-Nationalists and replace them with Islamists.
    http://wideshut.co.uk/gladio-b-the-origins-of-natos-secret-islamic-terrorist-proxies/

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  42. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Dime, the essence of the left statists is they wish to institute big government and use the power of that big government to make everybody think like them. If you apply that test to the Nazis they qualify completely. So do Mussolini’s fascists.

    Fixed that for you, Redbaiter.

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  43. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Kea, that’s over the top accusing someone (Bob R) of being a “neo-nazi” merely because he attacked Islam.

    It used to be under Godwin’s law of Nazi analogies, a blog discussion inevitably moved to bringing in the Nazis or Hitler or both.. This thread was about Nazis, so we now have Jack’s law: any discussion about Nazis will inevitably will move to including Muslims.

    In fact, Muslims fought on both sides in World War 2, but mainly on the Allied side. In North Africa and Italy, French Muslim troops fought on the Allied side. There would have been tens of thousands of Muslims in the British Indian forces in Burma. On the German side, there were SS units of Albanian and Bosnian Muslims, and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an ally of Hitler.

    All a bit irrelevant to Chapman.

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  44. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    Ryan,

    Spot on.
    Left-right politics are just a puppet show which draws attention away from the real issues.

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  45. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Re Ashley Schaeffer’s 1.07.

    Ashley, was pondering whether Chapman’s molotov-cocktail throwing at the marae was related to some internal problems he had about having some Maori genes in his DNA.

    I think most Kiwis would be proud of such a mixed heritage, but for various reasons a few could have issues with this.

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  46. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea, that’s over the top accusing someone (Bob R) of being a “neo-nazi” merely because he attacked Islam Jews.

    Jack5, sorry but your double standard suggests you are not at all sincere in your opposition to persecution on the basis of religion. And you are not alone. Daily on KB we see members of a particular religion singled out, just as the Nazis did. That religion is not Judaism because if you are critical of Jews then you get banned on KB !

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  47. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Kea you use of strike-out in italic in your 1.26 post suggests that I posted the message that way, when I did not. That is deceptive and sneaky.

    But let’s get back on topic – Chapman.

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  48. bc (1,321 comments) says:

    Six people green ticked that comment from Ian McK – sadly I’m not surprised. Shame on you.

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Jack5 , I used Italic to show it was modified, as is common practice. But I am thinking you know that and are creating a red herring.

    Chapman is an idiot and will never have a big following. However, he is no better or worse than Maori radicals that are pandered to by the media.

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  50. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Kea, I was talking about using the strikeout WITHIN the italic. That way you implied that was how I made my post, which is untrue, deceptive, sneaky.

    Your response suggests to me you are trolling.

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  51. Ashley Schaeffer (400 comments) says:

    Ashley, was pondering whether Chapman’s molotov-cocktail throwing at the marae was related to some internal problems he had about having some Maori genes in his DNA.

    I think it was related more to his politics than his DNA. I can’t recall exactly his stated reason for the marae arson but it was one of a number of arsons he committed and they weren’t all directed at Maori.

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  52. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Jack5 , how does a strike-out imply that was the way you made your post ? It clearly shows it has been modified. Get over yourself and think before you write.

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  53. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “That is deceptive and sneaky.”

    And cowardly, but when have any of those issues ever mattered to the left?

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  54. Morgy (169 comments) says:

    These sad fucks have no idea what they stand for, they just think they do. I wonder if any of them have wandered around places like Treblinka, Auschwitz and Birkenau? No, they are probably still trying to find there way out of Addington. Dicks!

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  55. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Six people green ticked that comment from Ian McK – sadly I’m not surprised. Shame on you.

    I am just surprised it got any down ticks !

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  56. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Morgy, any comment on the other 60 million who died, or do you only regret the deaths of the few who were Jewish ?

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  57. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “please something better than conservo nuttery please.”

    You’re just a troll. You always give the same response. Never deal with the information. As yesterday when I made a point about Singapore’s budget. All you could do was react with boilerplate left wing propaganda. You couldn’t just deal with the fact that Singapore has the same population as NZ but runs on half the budget and has a world class Army Navy and Airforce as well.

    Today you asked for an example of small weak government, but no that’s not acceptable because its on Zero hedge. Its actually reproduced there but that is beside the real point that it wouldn’t matter where it was.

    You’re just a low IQ extreme left troll who never has one small morsel of useful information or opinion to add to any debate.

    You’re just a complete waste of everybody’s time.

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  58. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    And your troll Syrian mate as usual converts this into a Jew hate thread. When his countrymen would make Kyle’s gang look like boy scouts.

    Fucking hopeless.

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  59. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    There goes Reddy banging on about Singapore again. No one tell him about the rise of the Workers’ Party of Singapore, it would break his bleak cold heart.

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  60. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Red

    Give me an example of a small weak “successful” conservative government, it shouldn’t be hard , go on give it ago you must have an example, share the knowledge man.

    and lets not use the socailist republic of Singapore anymore as an example for anything.

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  61. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red, where did you see the “Jew hate” ? I am pretty hot on singling out a particular religion for persecution !

    Did you miss this comment or are you just a two faced hypocrite and general scum bag ?

    Ian McK (237) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    No worse than what we see hanging around mosques.

    [DPF: 30 demerits. You're sick]

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  62. Morgy (169 comments) says:

    YOU ARE FUCKEN KIDDING ME AREN’T YOU KEA??!!! Fuck off! How many other deaths in WW2 were the result of stuffing freight carriages full of innocent men, women and children and sending them off to an extermination camp and within two hours of arriving, are being burned to ash in pits? YOU ARE A FUCKEN JOKE. If you have ever been to those places and still have this warped view then it isn’t blood pumping through your heart, its poison! FUCK ME!

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  63. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “Fixed that for you, Redbaiter.”

    No you did not Ryan. You demonstrated that you’re too uninformed to know where the battle for freedom is really being fought.

    That is why you’re losing.

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  64. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    No you did not Ryan. You demonstrated that you’re too uninformed to know where the battle for freedom is really being fought.

    I’ll believe that when you address my point rather than essentially call me names. If you prefer to avoid points and name-call instead, I’ll assume you have no reply.

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  65. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    PEB
    I should have thought Reddy would be keener on states that rank highly on indices of political as well as economic freedom. Hint: closer to us than Singapore.

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  66. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Morgy, no I am not kidding. You ignore the suffering and deaths of 60 million people to focus on one small group. You are trying to re-write history to make the war about Nazis killing jews. It was not about that. Millions of Eastern Europeans and others suffered a similar fate to the Jews, but you show not a scrap of regard for them. You make me sick.

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  67. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    Seeing we are on about the Nazis, kea, it is not either/or. One can recognise the unique nature of the holocaust against the Jews without losing sight of the many other victims of dictatorships and war.

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  68. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    I’ll make it a bit clearer for you, Redbaiter. What you say is essential to the left – state control of everything – is logically incompatible with left libertarianism, a well-established tradition that is most definitely leftist.

    What is actually common to the things you’re talking about – left-wing authoritarians and fascist authoritarians – is the fact that they are authoritarian statists. State control of everything is essential to authoritarian statism, but authoritarian statism is only an element of some kinds of leftism.

    Similarly, authoritarian statism is an element of some kinds of rightism.

    Your definition would potentially leave one blind to the virtues of left libertarianism and the dangers of right-wing statism.

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  69. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Milky, you need to check out the income survey thread where 54% of the population are voting to steal money from 46% and tell me why that isn’t an abuse of democracy of the kind that far exceeds any perceived wrongs in Singapore.

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  70. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    MM

    I just want an example , ther must be one out there ,surely…….

    Red

    I’ve got a report to write, example please …small weak conservative govt, ya know

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    And another thing Morgy, the holocaust is not even close to be being the worst massacre in modern history. It is not even in the running. Have a read up on what happened in China and Russia.

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  72. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Ryann, like Milt who works in Havana Central library, you have no knowledge of views outside those permitted by progressives. There can be no such term as “left libertarian”. If you think there is point him/her out and I will destroy their rationale in three sentences and sixty seconds.

    It’s not calling you names. Its merely pointing out that like discussing capitalism with Cubans is impossible, so is discussing liberty with (most) NZers.

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  73. Morgy (169 comments) says:

    Thanks Mikenmild……couldn’t of said that better myself. The fact that this becomes a debate is ridiculous. Get a grip Kea FFS. See that’s the difference between the majority and the weird…..they think we live with a myopic view of the world but it is them who can only see one thing.

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  74. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    mikenmild, agreed. But Morgy is losing sight of the vast majority who died. I am seeing this happen more and more now days, where people try and reconstruct the war to be all about the Jews. In a war that killed around 70 million some Jews died. It is no more tragic that the gypsies, homos, slavs who were treated identically. And this is not happening by accident. Israel needs to push this narrative so it can avoid accountability by playing the shame card.

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  75. Morgy (169 comments) says:

    KEA…..I never said it was….my comment was about Kyle and his fucktards! Simple. JESUS H ………

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  76. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Ryann, like Milt who works in Havana Central library, you have no knowledge of views outside those permitted by progressives. There can be no such term as “left libertarian”. If you think there is point him/her out and I will destroy their rationale in three sentences and sixty seconds.

    Red, I thought that, even if you disagreed with the tradition of anti-government left wing, you’d at least have been aware of its existence.

    Here, you could read some Benjamin Tucker – “Instead of a Book, by a Man Too Busy to Write One

    Or there’s Bakunin, who followed Proudhon in opposing Marx because Marx was a statist authoritarian (sort of).

    There’s Josiah Warren, an American individualist.

    I doubt you could destroy their rationale in three sentences and sixty seconds, but I look forward to the names you call them instead.

    EDIT:

    It’s not calling you names. Its merely pointing out that like discussing capitalism with Cubans is impossible, so is discussing liberty with (most) NZers.

    I see what you mean, and I actually agree with you, but I believe it is still worthwhile to try. It is not impossible, only difficult.

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  77. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Morgy, you really are a vile little maggot. I simply pointed out that you overlooked 60 million deaths to focus on the Jews. And you continue to do so. It tells me all I need to know about your fake pasted on concern for others.

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  78. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Morgy, take my advice and don’t get sucked into Kea’s vortex of bullshit.

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  79. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “I doubt you could destroy their rationale in three sentences and sixty seconds.”

    I can do it in less. The true essence of leftism is wealth redistribution and it is impossible to practice that without impinging upon liberty.

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  80. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red is another one who thinks the only people who died in the war were Jews, or simply did not matter. All 60 million on them.

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  81. Hiro Protagonist (16 comments) says:

    “The Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party.”

    Ever heard of the “Night of long knives”? The socialists were purged.

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  82. Morgy (169 comments) says:

    I think I fell into a vortex…….
    I haven’t lost sight of anything. I spoke about the fact these fuckers have no idea apart from what has been drummed into their limited brains. I do know what happened in the war and understand both sides and I never gave you any impression that I didn’t. The simple point is, idiots like Chapmans mob are ignorant and to prove that point I used the holocaust as an example given those dicks idolise Hitler and his actions.
    FUCK I need a lie down

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  83. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Hiro Protagonist , the socialist workers party were not just socialist by name. They were about closing the gaps, employment for all, giving ordinary workers a role in running the country and taking control away from the rich bankers (which is where the Jews were singled out)

    100% socialist.

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  84. dime (9,305 comments) says:

    Hiro – yeah, they offed a few members of their own party and some conservatives.

    kinda like how the socialist greens dont like the socialist chinese..

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  85. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Morgy , I see your point now. You were using it as an example. I reckon the whole war is good example.

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  86. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    I can do it in less. The true essence of leftism is wealth redistribution and it is impossible to practice that without impinging upon liberty.

    The essence of leftism is opposition to capitalism. Coercive wealth distribution is one alternative to capitalism, but only one.

    To call that “wealth REdistribution” is to assume a natural pre-existing distribution of wealth. But the kinds of wealth distribution leftism by definition opposes is just as imposed and artificial as any other (state-backed capitalism and capitalist ideas of property).

    This is one of the reasons it is difficult (not impossible, just difficult) to talk to statist capitalists like yourself about leftism. You start from the assumption that capitalist wealth distribution is the natural state of things and that any alternative is a deviation from what is natural, and therefore requires force.

    If you take away that assumption, new questions become askable.

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  87. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    I would hardly call the deliberate effort to exterminate a whole race as “some Jews died”.

    Troll.

    And it is obvious where ,as his mate nasska put it, “the shit is coming from”.

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  88. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    “Ever heard of the “Night of long knives”? The socialists were purged.”

    Even if true, how does that matter when the intent was to construct a massive terror driven totalitarian government edifice as Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro, and every other left winger has always done?

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  89. Redbaiter (7,479 comments) says:

    Ryan- garbage. Academic waffle without the slightest connection to reality. The essence of capitalism is freedom from government. The essence of leftism is to subjugate capitalism to government. Crony capitalism is part of the latter and should not actually be described as capitalism at all.

    Go start a business FFS.

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  90. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    kowtow, predictably you try and portray the jews dying is somehow worse or unique because of the motivation behind it. It was, sadly, not unique and the reasons make no difference to those who suffer. The Slavs in the camps were not comforted because they were there for other reasons than the Jews. They are not gods chosen people and they are not special. Get over it.

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  91. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    There are other alternatives to capitalism, which is not some pre-ordained natural state. An essential part of any ideology is to claim that it has a monopoly on truth – that holds true for capitalism, socialism and all the other isms of which one can one can think.

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  92. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Ryan- garbage. Academic waffle without the slightest connection to reality. The essence of capitalism is freedom from government. The essence of leftism is to subjugate capitalism to government. Crony capitalism is part of the latter and should not actually be described as capitalism at all.

    To paraphrase you, Red:

    The true essence of capitalism is wealth redistribution and it is impossible to practice that without impinging upon liberty. You can’t maintain capitalist property rights and capitalist working relationships without the actual and implied threat of state violence.

    The essence of leftism is opposition to capitalist wealth distribution, and totalitarianism is only one proposed alternative, which is impossible to practice without impinging on liberty. But it is only one proposed alternative. There are others which do not impinge on liberty.

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  93. ciaron (1,305 comments) says:

    Lets see what our friend Ctrl+f finds…

    Ah, Morgy’s first comment;
    These sad fucks have no idea what they stand for, they just think they do. I wonder if any of them have wandered around places like Treblinka, Auschwitz and Birkenau? No, they are probably still trying to find there way out of Addington. Dicks!

    and Kea’s reply:
    October 7th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
    Morgy, any comment on the other 60 million who died, or do you only regret the deaths of the few who were Jewish ?

    Once again, It’s kea who makes it all about the evil Joos.

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  94. dime (9,305 comments) says:

    Ryan – your garbage comment seems to have appeared OK.

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  95. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ciaron, no comment on the anti muslim attack at the start of the thread ?

    I was actually the one saying it [WWII] was NOT all about the Jews. But I guess you have to grind your axe somewhere.

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  96. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Lets see what our friend Ctrl+f finds…”

    I tried that too. The world Jew appeared 6 x before I mentioned it. I guess you overlooked that as well as the first comment on the thread.

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  97. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    An essential part of any ideology is to claim that it has a monopoly on truth

    mikenmild, you are delusional.

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  98. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Cheers, Dime.

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  99. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    I’d be upset if Ugly did NOT think me delusional.

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  100. RRM (9,399 comments) says:

    Funnily enough there is no chapter for this group in Manurewa but the south island allows them to flourish

    Yes I find it amusing that these “white pride” soft cocks only ever seem to crop up in predominantly white trash areas, where there is no risk of them encountering any, say, Maoris who might take exception and give them the bash…

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  101. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yes I find it amusing that these “whiteMaori pride” soft cocks only ever seem to crop up in predominantly white brown trash areas, where there is no risk of them encountering any, say, Maoris whites who might take exception and give them the bash…

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  102. dime (9,305 comments) says:

    Kea – you beat me to it!

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  103. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    I’d be upset if Ugly did NOT think me delusional.

    The facts are on my side, mikenmild.
    Can you name even a single ideology which claims to have a monopoly on truth?

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  104. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    RRM at 2.56: I think that they target Asians and Middle Easterners etc rather than Maori and other Polynesians. Note my earlier post pointing out Chapman is part-Maori, and so are some of his followers.

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  105. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Kea at 2.59 is up to his devious, lying trick again of using italics to indicate he is quoting somebody, then distorting this quoted by inserting strikeouts and new words, which make it appear these are part of the original.

    Kea is a sneaky troll, and his pseudonym is an insult to an intelligent, attractive, excellent bird. Vulture would be a more appropriate pseudonym for this troll.

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  106. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I think that they target Asians and Middle Easterners etc rather than Maori and other Polynesians

    Thats all right then, fuck I was worried there for a bit.

    Dime
    The whole white power thing just goes with the Chch IV drug scene, donkey shagging , necrophiliac murders and they kill rather than pay their working girls. They are a city unlike any where else in the country for the intolerance shown to well anything really.

    next time you’re there play this game. Ask anyone from there ” Why do you reckon the warriors and the blues aren’t winning much”

    Bet ya 50% at least of your answers will be ” too many darkies” They are classic and sad

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  107. Jack5 (4,541 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay, re your 3.10.

    Too early to relax. What happens when Chapman finds out Maori are the lot tribe of Israel?

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  108. ciaron (1,305 comments) says:

    I tried that too. The world Jew appeared 6 x before I mentioned it. I guess you overlooked that as well as the first comment on the thread.

    Don’t change the subject Kea, I know its hard for you but please focus.

    Morgy’s first post was a perfectly legitimate statement about the pure evil perpetrated by the Nazi regime. You dive in 5 minutes later acusing him(or her) of Jew bias, and not caring about the other minorities persecuted by said Nazis.
    You sir, are an odious villain.

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  109. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay , I agree. They are a bunch of rugby playing red necks with a very limited view.

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  110. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ciaron , Oh so Jews are not the subject now. The fact you said they were kinda threw me.

    Well thanks for dismissing the deaths of 60 million people to ramble on about gods chosen ones.

    Still not a word about the first comment on the thread. I am sure you would have had plenty to say if the word mosque was replaced with synagogue.

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  111. Kimble (4,329 comments) says:

    Some adhere to the popular theory that all skin heads are just gingers looking to make their way in human society.

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  112. ciaron (1,305 comments) says:

    @ kea.

    mate, take an asprin and lie down. You’ll give yourself a heart attack.

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  113. RAS (62 comments) says:

    Seriously, how are these thugs any different from the Mongrel Mob or Black Power? -other than their membership is several magnitudes smaller.
    Seems like DPF is engaging in useless hand-wringing about 20 idiots who wave Nazi flags to freak out the bourgeois.

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  114. dime (9,305 comments) says:

    PEB – yeah i know. I used to use the surname of Parore-Spencer back in the day haha fuck em

    the crusaders having a policy of only a few maori or PI players isnt bullshit. its how they roll

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  115. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    RAS you mean the Mongrel Mob who wear Nazi helmets and regalia “sieg heil ? That Mongrel Mob ?

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  116. spector (180 comments) says:

    Why do extremist groups never mow their lawns?

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  117. ciaron (1,305 comments) says:

    ciaron , Oh so Jews are not the subject now. The fact you said they were kinda threw me.

    No, you misunderstand. The point is, your constantly ascribing positions to people that the do not hold, aka; making a strawman. There is no one on this blog who can do it to the extent and frequency that you do. Here, have a virtual gold star.

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  118. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    ciaron is bravely entering Kea’s world of unreasonable unreason…

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  119. Kleva Kiwi (281 comments) says:

    Replace swastickers with greenpeace flags…

    Not so different…

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  120. Longknives (4,332 comments) says:

    Dickheads.
    But I consider them no worse than New Zealand’s beloved ‘Mana’ movement…(some of their ‘Maori supremacy’ idealogies are equally fucking disturbed)

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  121. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ciaron, I simply reminded people of the fact that most of those who died in the war were not Jews. I did so because every reference was about Jews. A bunch of fanatics took exception to that.

    Milkly get fucked. If you had anything to refute my points you would have presented it.

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  122. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    I had already pointed out to Kea that his strange views on WWII did not have to be part of a zero-sum game. But trolling doesn’t work that way.

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  123. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    Of much more significane is this:

    There is a danger that a sector of the economy is being augmented that is totally reliant on a
    small domestic economy. Not only do these industries have limited potential for per-capita
    growth but ‘deriving growth via factor inputs such as labour places pressure on infrastructure
    such as transport and land supply, and ultimately have a further negative impact on growth
    (ARC 2005). Finally, as the sector gets larger, it gains in lobbying/political strength and can
    lobby for immigration*** regardless if it is the best interests of the economy as a whole***. This
    could be seen in Canada where the development industry has lobbied hard for high sustained
    immigration levels (Ley and Tutchener 2001).

    and this:

    The debate has not been resolved. In a Treasury paper, Moody (2006:40) concludes that
    “overall, it is equivocal whether there is enough robust evidence to support the claim that
    immigration is always positive for per capita growth”. The Treasury paper concurs with the
    observations of the OECD which stated “there is not sufficient or detailed enough data on the
    behaviour of the New Zealand economy to give clear answers on the overall effects on per
    capita incomes of existing residents.” Helping to complicate the debate are the strongly held
    views on the subject. It has been noted that “a number of researchers in this emotive area had
    views pro or anti immigration, and that this had perhaps coloured their conclusions”(Chapple,
    Yeabsley, Gorbey and Poot: 1994).

    *******Despite the lack of empirical support, the generally accepted view in New Zealand, as with
    other traditional settlement countries Australia and Canada, is that immigration is beneficial
    for the economy (OECD, 2004 Note 71).********* This view is based partly on the fact that these
    societies were built on immigration flows, and partly based on the observation that certain
    “agglomerations” tend to have higher productivity rates. Historically, these nations have
    benefited from immigration in-flows to provide labour to exploit their relatively large
    endowments of resources.

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  124. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    Talking of Jews and WW2.

    Slightly off topic but some are reporting the Yom Kippur 40 th commemorations.Interesting how the Syrians and Egyptians are today so unstable while Israel is a veritable democratic sea of tranquility among the madness of that part of the world.

    Moshe Dayan accompanied the Australian forces in WW2 who had to go to Syria to kick shit out of the French quislings there.Frogs siding with the Nazis while France was occupied!Tossers.

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  125. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    The current ‘war on terror’ along with the component conflagration it is wrecking upon our planet, is a fallout from Operation Paperclip, which planted the demonic seed of Nazi ideology and allowed it to gestate within the closet of America’s National Security State, has given rise to the marauding beast outside our window, savagely gorging itself upon our neighbors.

    http://amunaor.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/blowback-reinhard-gehlen-nazi-father-cia-dont-look-back/

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  126. ciaron (1,305 comments) says:

    Well thanks for dismissing the deaths of 60 million people to ramble on about gods chosen ones.
    I implore you to go lie down, have an asprin and maybe a moist flannel on your forehead. You are obviously suffering from something that is diminishing your ability to comprehend simple sentances. please promise me you’ll ring 111 if your left arm starts tingling.

    Still not a word about the first comment on the thread.
    You say that like I have an obligation to reply to it?

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  127. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    [DPF: the perils of ignoring neo-nazis is well documented]
    …………………….
    Bullshit to that. Whenever a group is exposed as neo Nazi they loose support. The real issue is the consensus between business and liberal elites who cut the rest of the populous off by not allowing both sides of the immigration debate to be aired. When was the last time immigration was discussed as an option for controlling house prices or whether the costs out weigh the benefits?

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  128. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    I’m just surprised that Ugly isn’t talking about the Nazi UFOs that were discovered in Antractica by the Byrd expeditions

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  129. MT_Tinman (2,959 comments) says:

    PEB, you’re talking shit as usual.

    I note the white power thing started in South Canterbury. Where are you from again?

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  130. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    It’s as if SOUTH Canterbury wasn’t part of Canterbury at all…

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  131. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    Interesting how the Syrians and Egyptians are today so unstable while Israel is a veritable democratic sea of tranquility…

    Quite. Anyone could think the the Machiavelli’s strategy of divide and rule is still around. The Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty are but two examples of this.

    The real winners of WW2 were the Zionists, they got exactly what they wanted when everyone else got a large serving of death and destruction.

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  132. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (4,336) Says:

    The whole white power thing just goes with the Chch IV drug scene, donkey shagging , necrophiliac murders and they kill rather than pay their working girls. They are a city unlike any where else in the country for the intolerance shown to well anything really.
    …………….

    So who abandoned little Pumpkin at Melbourne Station, leaving Mum dead in the boot. Who cut the student up and put in the suitcase? Who took the tour group to Charity Christmas dinner. Whose getting the multi story brothel down town.

    Bold young men drove sheep on to the vast grazing runs to found pastoral empires and land owning dynasties. Out of the wealth from the squatters’ wool clips, and from wheat when the tussock was ploughed, grew a city of scholarship, grace and dignity”
    Professor Kenneth Cumberland Landmarks*

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  133. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    And what happened to that ‘city of scholarship, grace and dignity’, apart from the earthquakes, to turn it into such a haven for white skinheads?

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  134. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    No different to any city mike except there is prominently white hence white power as apposed to black power and mongrel mob infesting south auckland.

    Sieg heil
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4569319/Sieg-heil-a-way-of-saying-hi-to-the-bros

    Half the commentators on KB would earn a black or purple triangle for their views……

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  135. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    Griff
    I may be wrong, but I think the gang adoption of nazi symbols and slogans was simply a way to be as offensive as possible to other people in the wider community.

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  136. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    You would be right.
    Offensive behavior makes them look big to their friends and peers.

    In my youth I was involved with such scum. Some grow up others dont.

    Hence my irrational dislike of hd bikes.

    Having seen the inside of the freedoms they claim is theirs made me realize that freedom to act like other idiots is not freedom just swapping one set of constraints for an other.

    It is interesting that one of the creators of the biker myth Bob Bitching of easy rider magazine found like me that real freedom floats .
    http://bobbitchin.com/?page_id=7

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  137. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ” his strange views on WWII”

    Milky would you mind sharing what views are strange ?

    Do you dispute that non jews died ?

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  138. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    Kea, you already agreed with my 2.04pm comment.

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  139. ChardonnayGuy (1,119 comments) says:

    Fortunately, there are a number of squabbling neofascist sectlets, and I imagine they expend as much beating each other up as preying on law-abiding Asian shopkeepers, overseas tourists and new settlers. Why don’t they bugger off to somewhere like Queensland, where that sort of pondscum behaviour is considered “normal” (qv Pauline Hanson and Whine Nation) and stop driving investment and employment opportunities away from mainstream Christchurch residents? No one wants born again fascism in this country.

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  140. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    Its called trolling mike
    kea will twist herself into pretzels to continue to engage people.
    Shes in it for the attention not the debate.

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  141. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    hj

    so some people aren’t embarassed about Chrsitchurch, thats fine , the Chow brothers have been here for 30 years probably not the best example of the “horrible chinks” you seem to be alluding to, try harder next time.

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  142. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    milky so what ?

    You are doing a Red and simply crying troll and making some vague reference to something “strange” but having nothing to back it up.

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  143. edhunter (480 comments) says:

    Here’s a quote which comes from Britain but sums up Chapman & his cronies. A link to the full article also attached.

    Ignorance breeds misnomers, and in this case, the furious skinheads who march with the EDL are not for free trade, or anything more sophisticated than ‘Muslims Out!’ They are not of the Right, just as much as the thugs who blow up buses in central London in the name of an ostensibly foreign religion are not liberals

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2665/nazis_of_the_left_and_other_corrections

    And I really think we need to come with new terms I mean left or right? might as well be black or white, socialist or capitalist. At least if it was east or west there’d be a few more positions on the compass available

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  144. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    .Interesting how the Syrians and Egyptians are today so unstable while Israel is a veritable democratic sea of tranquility among the madness of that part of the world.

    That is because the blotted parasite that is Israel has billions of dollars of other peoples money poured into it. All to make this fake country real and to live out their absurd cult fantasy that they are gods very special people who were promised some land and fuck the people living there. In addition the security of the entire planet is in jeopardy as a result of this incredible injustice and America running around murdering hundreds of thousands of people on Israels behalf. Also Syria and Egypt are not being undermined by jew puppet American presidents.

    Given all that it would be hard for them to fail.

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  145. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Its called trolling mike”

    Griff, no trolling is what you and that little fuckwit milky are doing. That is why you have nothing to refute the points I raised and just cry troll. You really are pathetic. Sort your self out little man.

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  146. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “In my youth I was involved with such scum. ”

    I see you retained their morals and honesty.

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  147. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Hence my irrational dislike of hd bikes.

    And thoroughly irrational it is too.

    Enough to make one wonder if perhaps your belief in AGW is because you copped some sunburn one day.

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  148. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    I admited it dhudson
    Irrational in its level yes
    It is the marketing hype that sucks midlifecrissis idiots into paying to much for a bike. Its basically a dinosaur from the twenty’s
    Even the vrod which as you know was designed then the design given to Porsche to build a motor that fitted the picture is a heap of shite. The British built faster and better handling bikes in the sixty’s that killed the yank crap dead even before the japs killed them in return.
    Once hd was an innovative and forward looking company then the American competition went bankrupt leaving harley to keep making the same old shite for decades.
    http://www.fredlangerestorations.com/1916harleydavidson8valve.html

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  149. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    Some would say that Egypt (Mubarack) was undermined by the Muslim influenced President (as opposed to the jew puppet ones).

    I think kea’s head is about to explode!

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  150. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea’s head is fine. That is why he is able to do more than make personal attacks and cry “troll”

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  151. kowtow (7,531 comments) says:

    Personal attacks?

    Looks like that’s all he/she specialises in.

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  152. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    mikenmild (7,536) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    And what happened to that ‘city of scholarship, grace and dignity’, apart from the earthquakes, to turn it into such a haven for white skinheads?
    ……………….
    “Burns had first-hand experience with Right Wing Resistance last year when Chapman and a balaclava-wearing cohort crashed an electoral candidates’ meeting on Worcester St.
    “My first thought was, ‘What on earth is going on’?,” Burns said. “When Chapman began his monologue it was clear what he was trying to do.”
    Chapman was complaining about not being listened to.
    “It was designed to intimidate and I think that’s what they are about,” Burns said.
    “There is not a big movement for them but, from time to time, issues may flare up that feed their support.”
    //
    Chapman said Right Wing Resistance was about creating a place where people could be taken care of. It was about “fighting that politically-correct crap”. It was about fighting dodgy politicians lying to New Zealanders. It was about a warning.
    “As long as the politicians keep going like that, groups like us are going to keep growing, and they are going to grow more militant.”
    Hence the balaclavas. Not only does he plan on using similar tactics to those used against Burns on MPs, who he sees as being particularly dodgy, the Right Wing Resistance is also branching out into other causes.

    …………….
    He has a point there. Today Jim Moira introduced the “distinguished academic professor Paul Spoonley; the same who claims diversity is absolutely essential to our economic performance and that as Aucklands population grows it becomes a “better place to live”.

    “Massey University sociologist Paul Spoonley began his research into extreme right wing groups in the early 1980s and was always puzzled as to why so many of them were based in Christchurch. He explained it by saying our “most English of cities had a strong sense of attachment and tradition … but it also harboured some groups that took these attachments to an extreme”.
    By the 1990s, Spoonley said, these groups had become established in a number of gangs that were marked by their use of Nazi ideology and symbols. A group like the Fourth Reich, established in Paparua prison, was a case in point, he said.
    Most members tended to be young, male, disaffected and involved in criminal activities.
    “Christchurch continues to have the dubious honour of being the home to the largest number of extremist and white supremacist individuals and groups in New Zealand, a tradition that is now more than 30 years old.””
    It plans on protesting the Food Bill, because Chapman believes it is only a matter of time before the government starts telling people that they can’t grow food in their own backyards. The protest is planned for Rangiora, and he’s looking for more organisations to lend their support.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6673662/White-power-movement-delivers-warning

    Evolutionary psychology can explain racism. Spoonley thinks you just slam one population into another and everything will be bobbsy. Spoonley thinks a white population is an unhealthy situation which needs fixing. It is one thing to accept people of another race it is another to open the immigration gates of a country like NZ with a healthy ratio of resources to people just to fix it’s monocultural base and declare it sucessful despite house prices and loss of vegetable gardens.

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  153. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    The reason we have more skinheads in Chch is easily explained by the large number of Polynesian and Maori gangs in the North Island.

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  154. Lucia Maria (2,176 comments) says:

    At the risk of getting demerits myself, I gave Ian McK’s comment at the top a tick because I think DPF has over-reacted to what he said.

    It’s a little weird, given that anti-religious comments of all types get a free pass here, not to mention the anti-Jewish comments.

    Islamic jihad is the new-Nazism. It’s currently far more dangerous and has so many casualties in recent times. And Western countries breed these types.

    Just today, I read a story about the UK’s Home Secretary says British Muslims using Syria for jihad terror training ground, then returning home.

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  155. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (4,344) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    hj

    so some people aren’t embarassed about Chrsitchurch, thats fine , the Chow brothers have been here for 30 years probably not the best example of the “horrible chinks” you seem to be alluding to, try harder next time.
    ……………………………
    Why should I be embarrassed about skin heads when Auckland has the Mongrel Mob etc?

    the Chow brothers have been here for 30 years probably not the best example of the “horrible chinks” you seem to be alluding to, try harder next time.

    I don’t need to find examples of “horrible chinks” but the decision to open up NZ to the rest of the world has been better for them than for us.

    “The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf

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  156. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I feel the pride just leaping out of my monitor hj. Good on you.

    Now about the donkey shagging and necrophilia that’s happened down there in the last couple of years. I’d guess that because there’s more boats in Auckland that would justify that behaviour, am I close?

    Are you in the photo’s hj?

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  157. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    I’d rather they shag donkeys and dead people than babies like they do in Auckland Pauleastbay.

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  158. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    hj
    poor effort , you justified your nazi boys I was hoping you could justify a couple of other recreational Christchurch activities is all? You can’t so that’s fine.

    Nice to know that if required you will step up to the plate for some serious deviant behaviour though. A trooper

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  159. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    It is the marketing hype that sucks midlifecrissis idiots into paying to much for a bike. Its basically a dinosaur from the twenty’s

    Not quite. I was 32 when I got my first. That’s not quite middle age. Perhaps I merely plunged headlong into my crisis ahead of the pack.

    Far from being a dinosaur, Harley has had a major resurgence since the Evolution engine in the mid-80′s. Now that engine was a fine and reliable workhorse for something that has always traded upon – and been sought after because of – its status as an American legend; a part of the American heritage. Later iterations have maintained the quality and reliability. (Albeit, compared to any sports bike, even a sports-tourer, the brakes and suspension have always been a little, shall we say, lacking.)

    Whether or not it was, and is, a genuine part of the American legend is, of course, immaterial. It is the image that people perceive. And it is the image that they pursue.

    Just as VHS won the video war. Just as Apple won, first, the personal music war from Sony, and then the cellular phone from the telco handset makers. Harley won the war of desirability a long time age.

    And it was Willie G Davidson who deserves the plaudits for that. He recognised that, along with reliability, people desired the opportunity to personalise their bike; to make it especially their own in some way. And so the aftermarket accessory business flourished. And with it the bikes became even more desirable.

    To compare a Harley with any Japanese or European sportbike is to compare and iPhone vs a Nokia based on the number of floating point operations per second each can process – it is no comparison at all as it is meaningless against the one and only comparison that counts; desire.

    How many bike meets with Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, or even Ducati, MV Agusta, Moto Gizzi, BMW or Triumph have where more than 500,000 bikes will turn up?

    How many of those marques could hold a rally where the numbers would have the Police manage traffic at every intersection from Welllington city to Masterton so that the parade of bike could pass unimpeded? How many would have people along the route, from start to finish, stop and wait at the side of the road to watch and applaud a bunch of motorcycles ride by?

    Comparisons of kilowatts, brakes, suspension, clearance, acceleration, cornering speeds… They all miss the essential reality. The people watching (and applauding) want the Harley.

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  160. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    hj
    It’s nice that you re-post the same comments over and over each day about the Savings Working Group. One day I might read it all, so keep it up; it’s not yet as repetitive as Penny Bright’s stuff.
    But you seem to be on the verge of describing our tiny group of neo-Nazis as wholesome guys just a bit scared of losing their monocultural identity and veggie gardens.

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  161. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    It’s a little weird, given that anti-religious comments of all types get a free pass here, not to mention the anti-Jewish commen

    Lucy, no anti Jewish comments promote hysteria. In fact even the most neutral comments are labeled anti semetic and result in a melt down. Any thing less than groveling reverence and praise, towards god chosen ones , will not be tolerated.

    I am against persecuting people based on religion. No ifs or buts. You are comfortable with persecuting people based on religion, provided it is not your religion or the jews. It is not people like me that the Nazi appealed to Lucy when they created anti jewish sentiment. It was people like you. You may want to ponder that.

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  162. duggledog (1,301 comments) says:

    I’ve just seen this and for goodness sake DPF why give them oxygen. These guys are just sad, sad knobs. Trotting out that ‘it only takes good men to look the other way for evil to’ etc is just absurd.

    You can’t put these uneducated tragic little lads (couple of dozen?) in a dead part of a backwards, unimportant little country at the end of the earth on the same page as the Germans pre WW2.

    The really funny thing is Hitler would have put these guys in the front line as useful cannon fodder. If they’re pissed at the thousands of Filipinos working on South Island dairy farms then they should go and work on one themselves

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  163. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    duggledog, do you feel the same way about Maori radicals and their race based political parties ?

    I am not defending those idiots. I have a number of Asian friends and it makes me sick to think what some of those creeps have done. Like Shannon Flewellen for example. If that is the “master race” I want no part of it.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3644334/Collision-course-with-killing

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  164. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Islamic jihad is the new-Nazism. It’s currently far more dangerous and has so many casualties in recent times. And Western countries breed these types.

    Lucia,

    Is Islamic Jihad’s civilian body count the credentials for being the new Nazism? And if so, isn’t the US military a better contender for the title? And if not, why not?

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  165. big bruv (13,060 comments) says:

    Lucia

    “It’s a little weird, given that anti-religious comments of all types get a free pass here”

    Why is that weird?, are your stupid beliefs so fragile that they cannot stand up to scrutiny?

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  166. Lucia Maria (2,176 comments) says:

    Ryan,

    Nazi ideology has been passed onto Islam. It can be seen in the virulently anti-Jewish sentiment that considered normal in the Islamic world. Jews used to be seen as the defeated race and not the boogie-man that they are today.

    I wrote a series of comments to this effect in GD a few weeks back.

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  167. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    But you seem to be on the verge of describing our tiny group of neo-Nazis as wholesome guys just a bit scared of losing their monocultural identity and veggie gardens.
    ……………………………
    I’m saying they have a complaint given the complete lack of balance regarding the benefits of immigration from politicians and the media and over the last 20 years governments have pursued active programs on the assumption that more is better and diversity is better still. So what if they had a voice that put the blame where it belonged rather than the migrants themselves.

    When I was a Revolutionary Marxist, we were all in favour of as much immigration as possible.

    It wasn’t because we liked immigrants, but because we didn’t like Britain. We saw immigrants – from anywhere – as allies against the staid, settled, conservative society that our country still was at the end of the Sixties.

    Also, we liked to feel oh, so superior to the bewildered people – usually in the poorest parts of Britain – who found their neighbourhoods suddenly transformed into supposedly ‘vibrant communities’.

    If they dared to express the mildest objections, we called them bigots.

    Revolutionary students didn’t come from such ‘vibrant’ areas (we came, as far as I could tell, mostly from Surrey and the nicer parts of London).

    We might live in ‘vibrant’ places for a few (usually squalid) years, amid unmown lawns and overflowing dustbins.

    But we did so as irresponsible, childless transients – not as homeowners, or as parents of school-age children, or as old people hoping for a bit of serenity at the ends of their lives.

    When we graduated and began to earn serious money, we generally headed for expensive London enclaves and became extremely choosy about where our children went to school, a choice we happily denied the urban poor, the ones we sneered at as ‘racists’.

    What did we know, or care, of the great silent revolution which even then was beginning to transform the lives of the British poor?

    To us, it meant patriotism and tradition could always be derided as ‘racist’.

    And it also meant cheap servants for the rich new middle-class, for the first time since 1939, as well as cheap restaurants and – later on – cheap builders and plumbers working off the books.

    It wasn’t our wages that were depressed, or our work that was priced out of the market. Immigrants didn’t do the sort of jobs we did.

    How I am partly to blame for Mass Immigration
    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/04/how-i-am-partly-to-blame-for-mass-immigration.html

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  168. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    It can be seen in the virulently anti-Jewish Muslim sentiment that considered normal in the Islamic Western world. Jews Muslims used to be seen as the defeated race and not the boogie-man that they are today.

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  169. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Nazi ideology has been passed onto Islam. It can be seen in the virulently anti-Jewish sentiment that considered normal in the Islamic world. Jews used to be seen as the defeated race and not the boogie-man that they are today.

    I wrote a series of comments to this effect in GD a few weeks back.

    There is a lot more to Nazi ideology than anti-Semitism. I think it’s a pretty long bow to draw to call Islam Nazism’s ideological heir on the basis purely of racism, while dismissing the many other elements of Nazi ideology that have arisen in non-Islamic institutions and movements.

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  170. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    hj
    I think what you might be saying is that a relatively few number of New Zealanders are opposed to immigration and increased diversity in our population. Of that relatively small number overall, there is a distinct element that will subscribe to Chapman’s odious ideas. So we’re talking about a fringe element within a fringe.

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  171. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    Sorry bhudson I replaced the reply on gd its just a little off topic on this thread :lol:

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  172. Lucia Maria (2,176 comments) says:

    Ryan,
    I think it’s a pretty long bow to draw to call Islam Nazism’s ideological heir on the basis purely of racism, while dismissing the many other elements of Nazi ideology that have arisen in non-Islamic institutions and movements.

    True, that is why I said (and you did quote it in your comment):

    It can be seen in the virulently anti-Jewish sentiment that considered normal in the Islamic world.

    Given that the Nazis were German, it would be impossible for their entire way of thinking to be passed on. They had this whole, we are the superior Aryan race thing going. However, Islam was admired by the Germans for it’s warrior ethos, among other things.

    In the context of this post and the comments made, I am confident in all the bows that have been drawn by myself thus far.

    When I have time later, I will search for and add the links of the comments I made previously.

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  173. Lucia Maria (2,176 comments) says:

    Whoops, didn’t notice that my first sentence lost it’s blockquote.

    Should have been:

    Ryan,

    I think it’s a pretty long bow to draw to call Islam Nazism’s ideological heir on the basis purely of racism, while dismissing the many other elements of Nazi ideology that have arisen in non-Islamic institutions and movements.

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  174. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Red

    Just before I go to bed.

    Any chance of you coming up with an example of a “weak conservative small government that was successful”

    The essence of Conservatism is small weak government

    thats you posting the above on this thread at 12.39 p.m. today, just wondering why there was no answer?. I believe I asked several times. Red seeing as you posted that ,you surely would have a solid example for us, surely . I’ll be distraught if you are just quoting conservo nutters.

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  175. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Ryan,
    I think it’s a pretty long bow to draw to call Islam Nazism’s ideological heir on the basis purely of racism, while dismissing the many other elements of Nazi ideology that have arisen in non-Islamic institutions and movements.

    True, that is why I said (and you did quote it in your comment):

    It can be seen in the virulently anti-Jewish sentiment that considered normal in the Islamic world.

    Given that the Nazis were German, it would be impossible for their entire way of thinking to be passed on. They had this whole, we are the superior Aryan race thing going. However, Islam was admired by the Germans for it’s warrior ethos, among other things.

    In the context of this post and the comments made, I am confident in all the bows that have been drawn by myself thus far.

    When I have time later, I will search for and add the links of the comments I made previously.

    Okay, but they’ll have to be a bit better than “Islam was admired by the Germans for its warrior ethos”, whatever that means.

    Here’s the problem. If the essence of Nazism is its racism (specifically its anti-Jewish racism), and all of the other aspects of Nazism are irrelevant to labelling something “the new Nazism”, then it is no longer particularly informative to use the term “Nazism” at all. There’s already a word that means “racist against Jewish people”: anti-Semitism.

    Nazism was anti-Semitic. Islam is (allegedly) anti-Semitic. The Westboro Baptist Church is anti-Semitic. And so on.

    But it was those other elements of Nazism that made it extremely bad, including its racism, and it was those other elements that made it capable of carrying out the atrocities it did, including the ones against Jewish people.

    Attempts to call Islam the “new Nazism” just because it’s anti-Semitic rather than just calling them both anti-Semitic seem at first glance like attempts to paint Islam with all of the negative connotations of the non-racist bad things about Nazism as well as the racist bad things about Nazism.

    It’s a bit like me calling Destiny Church “the new Nazism” because of its homophobia.

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  176. UglyTruth (3,839 comments) says:

    Islamic jihad is the new-Nazism

    Mein kampf (Hitler’s autobiography) is German for my strugggle and means my jihad.

    Jihad has always been a part of Islam, but jihad does not mean universal domination like some people portray it.

    Hitler added something new to get his brand of fascism, he added hypocrisy and large amount of antisemitism.

    Hitler’s antisemitism wasn’t anything new. Hitler draw from Luther’s antisemitism and well as from Christianity via the thing with the “moneychangers” and the temple.

    Of course the thing in the temple wasn’t about antisemitism. Amongst other things it was about hypocrisy, something which is illustrated quite well by the association between the Church and the Nazis, especially the ratlines.

    To paraphrase Edmonds: though the collusion with radical Islam had been going on for decades, it wasn’t until 1996 that a formal decision was made by NATO to abandon their previous secret relationship with neo-Fascists and arch-Nationalists and replace them with Islamists.
    http://wideshut.co.uk/gladio-b-the-origins-of-natos-secret-islamic-terrorist-proxies/

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  177. Ryan Sproull (7,017 comments) says:

    Ooh! I just thought of a way of putting it.

    The Jewish Holocaust was the defining crime of the Nazis’ deeds. But its anti-Semitism is not the defining characteristic of Nazi ideology.

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  178. Tom Jackson (2,456 comments) says:

    I hate immigration. I want all the Saffers and Poms to go home.

    I don’t care about any of the other wogs, I just want those annoying bastards to fuck off.

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  179. Tom Jackson (2,456 comments) says:

    “Wee doont you keep dese bliks oonder coontrol lek wee used to in Seth Efrica? Dese bliks are runnung der fikin playce.”

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  180. Tom Jackson (2,456 comments) says:

    I used to think apartheid had no redeeming features until it ended and a horde of mouth breathing racist douchebags decided they needed to move to my country to get away from the mess they’d made.

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  181. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    mikenmild (7,539) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    hj
    I think what you might be saying is that a relatively few number of New Zealanders are opposed to immigration and increased diversity in our population. Of that relatively small number overall, there is a distinct element that will subscribe to Chapman’s odious ideas. So we’re talking about a fringe element within a fringe.
    ………………
    No I’m not saying that at all.

    I’m saying the media is horrible biased and unrepresentative and don’t pass on the news (unless you can show me where the Savings Working Group position on immigration has been discussed on the main networks?

    Despite the lack of empirical support, the generally accepted view in New Zealand, as with
    other traditional settlement countries Australia and Canada, is that immigration is beneficial
    for the economy (OECD, 2004 Note 71). This view is based partly on the fact that these
    societies were built on immigration flows, and partly based on the observation that certain
    “agglomerations” tend to have higher productivity rates. Historically, these nations have
    benefited from immigration in-flows to provide labour to exploit their relatively large
    endowments of resources.

    Business interests

    Finally, as the sector gets larger, it gains in lobbying/political strength and can
    lobby for immigration regardless if it is the best interests of the economy as a whole. This
    could be seen in Canada where the development industry has lobbied hard for high sustained
    immigration levels (Ley and Tutchener 2001).

    What would you like New Zealand’s population to be by 2060?
    13450–13500 votes
    5 million 24%
    10 million 24%
    15 million 9%
    As many as possible. 7%
    No more – we’ve got enough. 36%
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10847678
    there is also a study Professor Spoonley quotes saying (about 50%) don’t think more Asian immigration is a good thing.

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  182. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    tom your slip is showing :lol:
    never thought I would see racist coming from you.
    what other scary things hide in the dark dusty corners of you mind?
    save them up and troll red with them.

    agree with some yarpies are inclined to not leave apartheid behind

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  183. Tom Jackson (2,456 comments) says:

    Leave if you want to support those rugby traitors.

    They’re a fifth column, I tell ye.

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  184. cha (3,742 comments) says:

    Agreed Tom. Until recently we had the misfortune to have yarpie neighbours, pigs..

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  185. mikenmild (10,438 comments) says:

    hj
    I think you are using a thread about neo-Nazis to push your barrow (again) about immigration. To me, that’s a poor choice of forum, unless you are wanting to say that poor Kyle Chapman and his misunderstood followers have been denied legitimate ways of raising real grievances. They are fringe nutcases. You may have legitimate arguments about the lack of a population policy for New Zealand, but you risk getting fleas if you lay down with these particular dogs.

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  186. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    mikenmild (7,539) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    hj
    I think what you might be saying is that a relatively few number of New Zealanders are opposed to immigration and increased diversity in our population. Of that relatively small number overall, there is a distinct element that will subscribe to Chapman’s odious ideas. So we’re talking about a fringe element within a fringe.
    ……………………………
    China by far outnumbered the rest in the visitor and student-visa categories, and had approval numbers more than three times higher than India and the UK in the family-sponsored and parent categories.

    Despite the UK still being the biggest source country for permanent residents, Professor Spoonley noted, the combined total from China, India and the Philippines more than doubled the British.

    Professor Spoonley said despite the rapid rise in numbers, it would be decades before Asians would outnumber Pakeha – but he said strains were starting to show.

    “We also haven’t been very good at telling New Zealanders about the positive aspects of immigration.”

    He said it was “hard for people to feel positive” about immigration during times of high unemployment and economic downturn.

    In an annual Asia New Zealand Foundation survey released last month, just half felt Asian immigration was positive and a third felt immigrants were taking jobs away.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10874680

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  187. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I used to think apartheid had no redeeming features until it ended and a horde of mouth breathing racist douchebags decided they needed to move to my country to get away from the mess they’d made.

    By “mess” you mean the safest most stable nation in Africa that offered the highest standard of living and personal security to blacks, who immigrated there in their thousands ?

    Is that what you mean by “mess” ? Unlike Rwanda, Somalia etc, which I assume you do not consider a mess.

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  188. HC (152 comments) says:

    Well, sad state of affairs with that lot down in Christchurch, I must say. But we are run like a dictatorship from Wellington alrady anyway, that is a fact.

    I do not want a worse dictatorship, and certainly not by NAZIS, yet we have “Soft Nazis” run New Zealand 24/7.

    Divide and rule, that is the agenda, and that is the only thing that seems to keep New Zealand “together”, how bizarre that may sound. The state of affairs here is dismal, and the social and economic divisions are not much better than in the US.

    Neo liberal capitalism is certainly destroying this place, and I gather proof of it every bloody day.

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  189. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    mikenmild (7,540) Says:
    October 7th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
    hj
    I think you are using a thread about neo-Nazis to push your barrow (again) about immigration. To me, that’s a poor choice of forum, unless you are wanting to say that poor Kyle Chapman and his misunderstood followers have been denied legitimate ways of raising real grievances. They are fringe nutcases. You may have legitimate arguments about the lack of a population policy for New Zealand, but you risk getting fleas if you lay down with these particular dogs.
    ………………………………..
    I’m wondering if disconnection plays a part in their behaviour; the disconnection of living in a public sphere where only good things are said about immigration (despite perceiving the opposite).
    Under Maslows need hierachy belonging to an identifiable group is no2 and yet the lower classes have been sold out to one big world brotherhood, by left-wing fuckwits who do not live in their world.

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  190. hj (6,269 comments) says:

    Today, if someone raises their voice to express concerns over integration, they’re often labelled a racist. If they show distaste towards cultural practices they deem to be unacceptable, such as the wearing of the burqa, they’re branded intolerant. If they express a desire to preserve the cultural institutions of their nation’s mainstream culture, they’re branded xenophobic. And often it’s the Left that does the branding.

    However, this leap to write off someone expressing reservations about multiculturalism represents a fundamental failure to understand the psychology that motivates such expressions. The fact is, humans were not designed to slip effortlessly in to a multicultural world. Our psychology has been shaped by millions of years of monocultural living in small relatively homogenous groups.

    We’re built to absorb our proximate culture at a young age and, in doing so, our identity and values galvanise. We then become less malleable, and we seek out others who share our values and cultural identity. This doesn’t mean we’re closed to new ideas, but there’s a tremendous inertia in shifting our more fundamental values once they’re established.

    Likewise with language, we’re born receptive to our local tongue, it rapidly becomes second nature, and while it’s possible to learn a new language late in life, it’s a process that takes not inconsiderable effort, and we’re often left speaking the new tongue with an accent.

    The upshot is that many people feel unsettled by cultural practices they perceive as alien. People can feel uncomfortable by the presence of other customs, manners of dress and social mores. People can even feel under siege, and can feel as though their own values and culture are threatened and undermined by the presence of others in their community.

    These are entirely natural psychological responses. They are not necessarily indicative of racism or xenophobia, and they’re not exclusive to conservatives; invite a rugby team or a bible study group to a liberal’s favourite bar, and watch them squirm under the weight of similar sentiments.

    However, the Left is prone to either ignore these concerns about inter-cultural friction, or to dismiss them as racist. Sadly, this approach simply ends up jamming a lid on many people’s feelings without treating the psychological source of the concerns, or even acknowledging the source is psychological. In doing so, it allows pressure to build and, eventually, the pot boils over; it took only a few relatively minor events to trigger the Cronulla riots and an outpouring of pent up sentiments about the failure of multiculturalism.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/44170.html

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  191. Bob R (1,328 comments) says:

    @ hj,

    Along those lines, have you seen this Quadrant essay by ev-psych academic Frank Salter?

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2010/6/the-misguided-advocates-of-open-borders

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  192. Griff (6,662 comments) says:

    Thanks Bob R
    interesting coverage on a fraught issue.
    I agree with the most social science is not “science” due to its internal focused resolution of arguments and failure to use the output of hard science and related disciplines in its exploration of the human condition. Science is a multidisciplinary endeavor. Ignoring the output of other related disciplines is not constructive in this connected age.
    I also support closed boarders due to the coming effect of AGW and its resultant contraction of resources.
    Humanity as a single conglomeration of society’s is not going to allow enough diversity for us to survive the future.

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  193. studmasternz (18 comments) says:

    Oxygen thieves … is it true that the useless waste of space known as Kyle Chapman is a long term sickness beneficiary living in a state house? Obviously too sick to mow lawns or take rubbish to the dump. Funny how he is happy to live of Asian and Maori taxes – what a hypocrite.

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  194. ChardonnayGuy (1,119 comments) says:

    For once, I’d like to partially back something Lucia Maria has said. It is certainly true that within some Muslim majority societies, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion fraudulent document is allowed to circulate unhindered and taken literally, without awareness of its debunking within mainstream western society. However, much the same is true of Japan, unfortunately. And what about the French National Front, which combines anti-immigrant racism, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism? Islamic anti-Semitism (and racism!) should be condemned as assiduously as that carried out by those of Christian faith or atheist/agnostic philosophical belief.

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