Colin Craig needs to stick to the real issues

November 29th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by Jadis

I’ll put it upfront that I am unlikely ever to be a voter.  I am far too right wing economically and am a social liberal (most of the time).  However I will take it upon myself to assist the wider public and ask to please get some discipline.  The man who fronted so much of the pro-smacking brigade has a real problem with discipline himself.

The latest is an interview this morning with Sean Plunket Sean asks a simple question about Chem Trails and Colin gives a pretty poor answer:

“I don’t know and when I don’t know I am quite happy to say I don’t know – and apparently this is not the standard Party line that you are expected to know an have a definite view on this.

“I feel it is very honest to say I don’t.”

I don’t have a huge issue with this response.  When he was leader of the Nats Don Brash was well known for saying he wasn’t sure on an issue and that he would get back to a journalist.

The difficulty is Colin then answered Sean’s question about the Twin Towers and said

“it may be more possible (that terrorists flew planes into the Twin Towers instead of a government conspiracy)”.

Interesting that he entertains the possibility of a US government conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.

Colin then goes on to say:

“the real issue if we are talking Monsanto and other very large food corporates is that there is a real issue about food supply, about food labelling about renewable resources about food. I have some concerns about bioengineering, modification of food – I’m not absolutely opposed to it but I think it is a risky track to go down.”  I do not think our food industry should be controlled by one or two big players.”

My issue with Colin is this.  Stop talking about this fluff.  Start talking about the real Conservatives policies, learn to move a question away from the sensational to the sensible.  Please, please start looking credible.  There is a range of issues and policies that Colin should and could be talking about. Here, Colin, I will help out – try this link to the Conservative Party’s web page http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/index.php?page=Issues

And please don’t get all snippy and think Liberals (even fiscal conservatives and social libs like me) are picking on you.  We’re not… you have created all of this all by yourself.  You actually have some important stories to tell and issues to highlight but you keep missing them because, like a magpie, you keep going for the flashy stuff.

Ignore the silly fluff and focus!  You should be challenging Winston.  Instead Winston is biding his time and has no need to comment at all because you are creating vacuums and filling them with stuff that is so, so unnecessary.  When was the last time you even touched an issue that crosses over Winston’s territory?  You simply haven’t because you are asleep at the wheel.

A friend overheard an interesting comment from a neighbouring table in a café the other day “If there’s ever a time to make me vote National, it’s Colin Craig. We need to make sure Nats get 50%”

That sort of comment above  is being said not because the electorate cant take you seriously but because you don’t take yourself seriously.  Time to look like a leader and focus on the real issues, Colin.

 

* this post is written by Jadis so please don’t lynch poor DPF

 

 

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155 Responses to “Colin Craig needs to stick to the real issues”

  1. AceMcWicked (10 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is a total clownshoes who only has oxygen because he’s been tipped as a potential coalition party for National.

    I am not sure any amount of focus will change that but really all he has to do is hang around, not swallow his own tongue, and he’ll be necessary so he’ll get his seat.

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  2. Pete George (22,865 comments) says:

    I agree on the need for Craig to focus on what matters. But he also has to learn to be ready for obvious lines of question, and chemtrails are something he could have easily dealt with. Instead he’s letting media drag it out and hit him with it – on Firstline they said that every contrail in the sky is a billboard for the CP.

    It was some time ago that Craig answered a question about chemtrails on his Ask Colin web page. He said he didn’t know.

    Yesterday he was asked on the Christchurch East by-election trail about it and he repeated that he didn’t know.

    By today he should have expected to be asked again and should have done some homework, but again he claimed “I don’t know”. It is a standard party practice to know answers to things you are likely to be asked about.

    Craig is either very naive about how to do politics, or he’s trying to avoid answering questions. Either way it doesn’t competent.

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  3. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    Can some kind person tell me what “chem trails” are??

    Jadis: I quite agree with you…I have met Colin several times…I have advised him on the minutiae of law and order policy…and from that perspective I agree: he needs to focus on the important stuff…and he needs better assistance than he is obviously getting now to handle the media…

    Having said that, God knows how he got such a sympathetic treatment from Andrea Vance in the SST…probably the least openly biased piece I have ever seen from her…

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  4. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    Can some kind person tell me what “chem trails” are??

    I believe it is the theory that jet vapour in the sky from planes is secretly chemicals the government is dropping on us to mass medicate us. Or something to that effect.

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  5. kowtow (7,652 comments) says:

    Govt bodies in Aotearoa formerly New Zealand shell out big time to appease “taniwha”,I don’t see much criticism from so called social liberals of self declared right wing fiscal types on that waste of tax payers’ money…….

    but When it comes to Colin Craig ,the knives are out and sharp!

    Fear and loathing on the part of the city self important elite commentariat.

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  6. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    od knows how he got such a sympathetic treatment from Andrea Vance in the SST

    Are you sure you read the right article? Wasn’t her opening line that he was “nutty as squirrel shit”?

    That was simultaneous with the Star-Times saying he supported a “right to kill burglars” because he supports the Castle Doctrine….jeez

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  7. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    …”Interesting that he entertains the possibility of a US government conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.”

    You make it sound like that possibility is not possible at all ! I and many others think it is entirely possible. How presumptuous of you. Its like me saying – “Mr Farrar is happy to take US government proclamations and denials as gospel”
    May or may not be true, but I dont say such things ! Only a fool is happy to believe everything government and politicians tell them

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  8. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Anyone who denies the existence of chemtrails (irrespective of what they may or may not be) have both closed eyes and closed ears. There are myriad photographs demonstrating their existence – and they aint just normal jet trail phenomenom

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  9. Left Right and Centre (2,823 comments) says:

    2015: Colin who?

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  10. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘“the real issue if we are talking Monsanto and other very large food corporates is that there is a real issue about food supply, about food labelling ‘

    Monsanto spent millions to keep food labelling off GE products because they know the public want real food.

    In fact their CEO said food labelling is the same as putting a skull and crossbones on GE products.

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  11. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Obligatory.

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  12. Bovver (144 comments) says:

    “Anyone who denies the existence of chemtrails (irrespective of what they may or may not be) have both closed eyes and closed ears. There are myriad photographs demonstrating their existence – and they aint just normal jet trail phenomenon”

    Next you will be saying fluoride in the water is part of the One World Order.

    Allowing himself to be diverted away from policy to go one about conspiracy theories does the center right no favors at all and emboldens the left to paint him as a fundamentalist wack job.

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  13. RRM (9,477 comments) says:

    Oh MY…

    Definitely going to follow this thread. It delivers already :-)

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  14. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Bovver – So how do you explain the recognised phenomenom of long trails in the sky, in crisscross patterns, above many parts of the world ! Tooth fairy stardust?

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  15. Manolo (13,394 comments) says:

    this post is written by Jadis so please don’t lynch poor DPF.

    I’m finding Jadis’ style more and more readable and entertaining by the minute. Gutsy stuff.
    Can we ask DPF to continue tramping around the the S.I. for a few more weeks months? :D

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  16. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Can some kind person tell me what “chem trails” are??

    Here ya go.

    http://contrailscience.com/a-brief-history-of-chemtrails/

    And here’s an outstanding example of the fuckwittery involved.

    http://www.whale.to/b/chemtrails.html

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  17. RRM (9,477 comments) says:

    Dave_c:

    I’ve heard a suggestion it’s h2o condensation from the combustion of hydrocarbons in the engines.

    But those people are usually already heavily infected with CIA/reptilian barcodes. They WOULD say that.

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  18. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Tooth fairy stardust?

    Amazing!.

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  19. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Chemtrails are fucking stupid. As are the GE food conspiracies. The overwhelming scientific consensus shows GE foods are safe to eat and people like wikiriwhis who says stupid shit like “Monsanto spent millions to keep food labelling off GE products because they know the public want real food.” first needs to define ‘real food’ followed up with the realisation they haven’t been eating ‘real food’ for several hundreds of years.

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  20. Changeiscoming (140 comments) says:

    I think you will find he is responding to questions that are asked of him. Not him raising the issue.

    So how is he able to only stick to topics he wants in an interview. Take some time to engage your brain before writing headlines like “Colin Craig needs to stick to the real issues”

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  21. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Char – haven’t you got anything sensible to contribute – I am open to sensible debate and convincing argument – not condescension and ‘play the person’ antics – There are none so blind as …… idiot

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  22. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    LOL – Colin only needs 5%!

    Why should he have to waste his breath talking to 95% of fuckwit voters who won’t vote for him anyway ? :cool:

    Colin doesn’t have to say jack shit to anyone as there are more than 5% of voters who are fucked off enough with the National/Labour monolith of government and are already signed & sealed Conservative Party voters! :cool:

    I can’t wait to see him in parliment making National look like the Labour staffers that they are! :cool:

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  23. AceMcWicked (10 comments) says:

    Someone really needs to scream “WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!” and don a tin-foil hat.

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  24. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “I am open to sensible debate and convincing argument”

    OK…
    Not one argument put up by the chemtrail community has any validity whatsoever. There is zero evidence for chemtrails and the mere idea that there is a worldwide campaign of spraying requires thousands of pilots, civilians, air-traffic controllers, military and meteorologists to be acting in unison, cohesively and without spilling the beans which is nigh on impossible.

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  25. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure he’s got Reid’s vote in the bag already, so that’s a start.

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  26. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Contrarian – why dont you spend more time researching issues, so that you dont sound like an ignorant fool when you open your mouth in this forum

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  27. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    There are none so blind as …… idiot

    A shoe to fit – from the summer of 1940.

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  28. georgebolwing (612 comments) says:

    If you believe that a super-natural being created the universe and everything in it in pretty much its current form in seven days, then believing that a government is dropping chemicals in the sky can hardly be unexpected.

    I understand that the Pope doesn’t believe that absolutely everything in the Bible is literally true and that many churches have combined observations from nature with their believe in God by saying, for example, that natural selection is the mechamism that God used to create humans and all the other living creatures on earth.

    To me, craig is just another whacky god-botherer. The more he talks in public, two things will happen: some Winston-loving, “Elvis is amoung us” and aliens have visited us believing nut-jobs will feel that finally that have a kindered spirit to vote for, and the remaining 95% of the population will be incentivized to vote for someone with at least a passing grasp on reality.

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  29. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Contrarian 1:54pm – Explain to me what they are then ! You’re trying to shout down (maybe shut down) any opinion that does not match yours – what a clown

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  30. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    They are contrails.

    You said: “I am open to sensible debate and convincing argument”” so I put forward an argument to which responded with

    “why dont you spend more time researching issues, so that you dont sound like an ignorant fool when you open your mouth in this forum”
    And
    “You’re trying to shout down (maybe shut down) any opinion that does not match yours – what a clown”

    No one is trying to shut you down and I am very well versed in the chemtrail ‘theory’. So why don’t you put up a “sensible debate and convincing argument” that we can discuss

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  31. Steve Wrathall (243 comments) says:

    Jet fuel burns in atmospheric oxygen

    CnH(n+2) + O2 –> CO2 + H2O

    The resulting exhaust water vapour rapidly cools to form ice crystals

    Simple chemistry and physics. The “Chem” in chemtrails is water.

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  32. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    Bovver: Well said…and I shouldn’t have been so lazy, and googled these mysterious “chem trails” myself..thanks though to nickb…

    I wonder if anyone has done a study (there must have been, somewhere) about the incidence of conspiracy theories and the rapid development of technology…Is it just me, or have they seemed to proliferate in the last 10 years or so, particularly since 9/11?

    Now that I think about it though, they have been around at least as long as since 1969, after man landed on the moon – not on an isolated part of the Arizona desert, with the co-operation or at least acquiesence of thousands…Actually I find the “moon landing conspiracy” quite useful: when it is raised in conversation it helps me not waste my time trying to engage rationally with someone who is clearly “not home” upstairs…

    dave_c: Oh, I just know I am going to regret this…have you ever heard of a clever thing called “photoshop” ?? But please provide us with some amusement and tell us what YOU think these mysterious trails are…

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  33. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Contrarian – I have not once said what I believe Chemtrail phenomenom to be – yet you and many like you attempt to make out that anyone who raises the subject appear either deluded or worse
    I dont think they are contrails – contrails disappear – Chemtrails (or whatever you’d like to call them) linger for hours, and disperse into larger cloud like formations
    Enlighten me with your wealth of knowledge (well versed !), and convince me how it is you know (for sure) that this phenomenom are just ordinary jet contrails.

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  34. Pete Burdon (19 comments) says:

    Jadis makes some great points. I wrote a blog about this yesterday, before the Sean Plunket interview. He needs to know how to move interviews in the direction of points he wants to make. For this, he needs to have a clear and interesting message with some great sound bites. I don’t think he ever has this. He also needs to know how an interview with a journalists is like no other conversation. See my full blog here. http://mediatrainingnz.co.nz/blog/

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  35. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “I have not once said what I believe Chemtrail phenomenom to be – yet you and many like you attempt to make out that anyone who raises the subject appear either deluded or worse”

    No, you asked for “sensible debate and convincing argument” so I put forward an argument which you haven’t responded to. Namely:
    “the mere idea that there is a worldwide campaign of spraying requires thousands of pilots, civilians, air-traffic controllers, military and meteorologists to be acting in unison, cohesively and without spilling the beans which is nigh on impossible.”

    “I dont think they are contrails – contrails disappear – Chemtrails (or whatever you’d like to call them) linger for hours, and disperse into larger cloud like formations”

    Contrails which hang in the sky and disperse into cloud formations have been around, and understood, since the second world war.

    You asked for a debate and/or argument. So here we are.

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  36. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Daid Garrett – Photshop – what an arse – I can do better than that – I’ve actually seen (with my own eyes, and no I wasn’t under the influence at the time) large jets over several parts of US, dispersing (whatever they disperse), in a orchestrated and co-ordinated manner, so as to produce the noughts and crosses effect that you can see in many published photos.

    Now – you tell me why fleets of jets would be flying in this manner -

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  37. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Now – you tell me why fleets of jets would be flying in this manner”

    Because jet planes and skyways are controlled in a “orchestrated and co-ordinated manner” so they don’t fly into each other. That’s why the have air-traffic controllers. It’s like being confused by cars traveling in a “orchestrated and co-ordinated manner”

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  38. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Chemtrails (or whatever you’d like to call them) linger for hours, and disperse into larger cloud like formations

    A start would be trying to understand that contrails are clouds, really long really skinny clouds.

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  39. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    The Contrarian: Also very well said…back when I used to waste time on the moon landing conspiracists, I used to try and take them – gently – through just how many people would have to be involved in staging a moon landing in Arizona or a Hollywood back lot..Literally hundreds in NASA who would have to know that the Apollo spacecraft – all 10 of them – went instead into a low earth orbit and then splashed down instead of going to the moon; the further hundreds in the military – right down to the lowliest steward on a fucking big aircraft carrier – who had to go along with picking up the astronauts after a splashdown about a week before it was supposed to happen – and who then ALL kept quiet about it for 40 years… and no, they couldn’t just orbit the earth for a week or so; the Russians and others would have picked up that they were doing that…if you havent broken through by that point it is a complete waste of time talking about the hundreds or thousands in the media who would also have to be complicit, accepting footage of a splash down a week earlier than it was supposed to happen and dutifully playing along….

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  40. Judith (7,664 comments) says:

    I think Colin Craig is merely trying to appeal to everyone, by offering a vast array of incentives, that are bound to capture most people’s attention. Unfortunately I regard such moves as an insult – he clearly thinks the majority are ‘dumb’ (or that the dumbing down of society has worked). Dumb who are easily persuaded that by just one policy that tickles their fancy (and fail to explore how the others might negatively impact on their lifestyle and beliefs).

    He’ll have to come a long way before he’d get my vote, he comes across as too much of a fruit loop for my liking.

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  41. Wayne Mapp (61 comments) says:

    Colin sure does need to stick to his knitting.

    This is much less about the 3 to 5% who may vote for him, but the 10% who swing between the Nats and Labour, who will think Colin is sounding like a loon. They will question whether the Conservatives are actually safe enough to be a coalition partner for a responsible government. At the moment Colin is scaring these voters to Labour.

    If gets back to what matters (and PDQ) they will put it down to him going through a political learning curve, but if not, well I guess you can imagine what they will think; not about Colin, but about John Key’s judgement.

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  42. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    dave_conspiracist: You still havent told us what these mysterious “chemtrails” laid across the sky – during the daytime so everyone can see them – are actually FOR…Do please enlighten us…

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  43. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Contrarian – Either you’re taking the mickey, or your just being obtuse, to the point of showing how little time you have for things you’d rather not discuss
    As for normal air traffic control and the orchestration of normal passenger traffic – I agree that is normal – but what I’ve observed are (the last time I saw this) two jets flying in tandem – one ahead, and another behind and to the right, spewing something into the air, then turning in unison, and returning much like a tractor ploughs the earth, so as to cover large swathes of the sky – followed by repeaating the pattern at 90 degrees to the orignal patch.
    Call me a liar or names if you wsh, but what I saw gives me pause to actually question what it was they were doing !
    Can you explain ?

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  44. dave_c_ (215 comments) says:

    Stop being so condescending and dismissive Dave G – And stop the labelling – is this the way you treat everyone who prefers to have a different point of view or is searching for sensible/convincing answers, than your own ?

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  45. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    I havent a clue what the aircraft you claim to have seen were doing dave….but what I do know is if it was anything sinister they would do it AT NIGHT at a time when no-one like you could see them at it! Bombers have been able to fly in close formation by radio beam/radar since WW II…

    I knew I would regret getting into this! You haven’t even got a theory yourself for this supposed phenomenon!!

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  46. J Bloggs (161 comments) says:

    David Garrett – there have been conspiracy theories throughout the ages:

    People have been wondering what the freemasons have REALLY been up to for centuries
    What really happened to the princes in the tower?
    Was Publius Clodius killed by bandits, or was he murdered on the orders of Pompey?

    Conspiracy theories are just another manifestation of humanity’s storytelling capability applied to the events of thier time (or if you are a historian, to someone elses time…:) )

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  47. Than (425 comments) says:

    “If there’s ever a time to make me vote National, it’s Colin Craig. We need to make sure Nats get 50%”

    This should be National’s strategy for the 2014 election. Getting enough votes so they can govern alone is quite achievable. Yes it’s a risk, but less of one than an arrangement with Colin Craig.

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  48. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Personal anecdotes are not evidence of anything. I don’t doubt what you saw but I am pretty certain they aren’t what you think they are and it certainly isn’t evidence of anything.

    Secondly you have failed to address any of the other arguments put to you despite asking for a sensible debate and convincing argument.

    Namely that contrails which hang in the sky and disperse into cloud formations have been around, and understood, since the second world war and the sheer number of people involved make this conspiracy close to impossible.

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  49. Nukuleka (217 comments) says:

    Perhaps Colin Craig is just too nice, open and honest a guy for political life. He’s clearly a lot nicer person than many of the foul mouthed. vitriolic and angry bigots whose rants are posted on this, the Whale Oil and the Standard blogs on a daily basis.

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  50. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    cha

    I wasn’t aware that chemtrails were a part of Hitlers secret ops initiatives.

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  51. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    But back to Colin’s interview with Plunket…If he gave any credence at all to the 9/11 “conspiracy” (and I am assuming the quote at the head of this post is accurate) then my estimation of him as a credible politician has just taken a plunge…You wouldn’t need quite as many thousands complicit in a cover-up of a 9/11 conspiracy as for even ONE moon landing, but still far too many to make it all credible…I remember watching one “it was a conspiracy” dvd that involved a whole PLANE LOAD of people, who all just…disappeared…none of their friends and family ever made enquiries as to what had happened to them…the scary thing was the successful businessman friend who gave it to me thought it was quite credible…

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  52. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    There be some lizard peoples involved too TDVM. And Barbara Bush’s father.

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  53. lolitasbrother (486 comments) says:

    If the PM New Zealand will give Conservative an electoral seat, and I suspect he will, I will vote Conservative,
    There is no point in voting Conservative if your vote maybe lost.
    I can’t afford that risk.
    I have written to PM New Zealand John Key to express this position.
    We need a NZ Government and we are going to get it, even if I have to slave at the electoral signs of Nicky Wagner,
    Central Christchurch day and night

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  54. Alan (1,064 comments) says:

    Chemtrails depends on people going to work each day and loading dangerous chemicals onto planes, in the knowledge that these planes are going to be flying over there own homes.

    It fails the plausible test straight up.

    Colin Craig ? Well enough intentioned I guess, but lacks the nous to survive in dog eat dog politics

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  55. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    Alan: I fear you might be right…No-one who hasnt been there can understand just what a vicious place the House of Representatives is…a very few nice guys (John Boscawen was one) can do OK there…Regrettably I dont think Colin would be one of them…not because he isnt a nice guy (in my experience of him he is) but the “religious zealot” label attached to him – justified or not – would be a red flag to a bull to the nasties…

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  56. Don the Kiwi (1,600 comments) says:

    dave c.

    What you may have seen in the USA was cloud seeding. The yanks have been doing this for quite a number of years to attempt to release the water vapour from the clouds to make rain. I think they use iodine particles – but I’m not sure. I believe this has been tried in Europe as well, in times of low rainfall or drought.

    Google “Cloud seeding” and see what you get. Otherwsie, I believe that they are simply vapour trails – I have sen them stay in the sky for quite a long time – perhaps an hour – before they are dispersed. If there’s no wind up where they are, they’ll just hang there.

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  57. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “he comes across as too much of a fruit loop for my liking.”

    lol..pot..kettel much

    Dont be silly Judith

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  58. Judith (7,664 comments) says:

    @ liarbors a joke (1,034) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Hey, I post here, what on earth makes you think I believe I am sane?

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  59. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    just for your thumbs down Judith Im gona give you one…heh..that’ll learn ya..

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  60. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    No No No, you need the chemtrails chemicals to explain why the WTC building collapsed, those toxins burn HOT. And Lizard people, definitely lizard people involved somewhere, and I for one, welcome our new lizard overlords.

    Shouldn’t we be able to bring the Hypno-toad into this somewhere as well…

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  61. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    I am the egg man…I am the walrus ..

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  62. Judith (7,664 comments) says:

    @ Than (241) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    I am not an ‘anything’ voter at this stage, however I agree with you. I think it is a mistake for JK to cuddle up to any of the minor parties publicly at this stage. This country desperately needs solid governance, and the idea that the next 3 years will be spent with a mish mash of coalition parties is a horrific thought.

    I think John needs to come across with the message that he intends to provide the stability that many New Zealanders are looking for by stating loud and clear he intends to be a ‘one stop shop’.

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  63. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    Wayne Mapp#

    Why is it that the only time you ever comment at kiwiblog it is always about questioning the Conservatives?

    Anyway,

    “….This is much less about the 3 to 5% who may vote for him, but the 10% who swing between the Nats and Labour, who will think Colin is sounding like a loon. They will question whether the Conservatives are actually safe enough to be a coalition partner for a responsible government. At the moment Colin is scaring these voters to Labour….”

    A ‘loon’?

    Anyway,

    Stop trying to alarm people. No one’s going to die.

    All that is happening Wayne is that National is starting to bleed votes to the Conservatives. :cool:

    And National would prefer that the Conservatives bled Winston instead!

    Small business owners have never voted for Winston – but a lot are now listening to the Conservatives as Colin has said.

    Where did they blow in from Wayne? Someone ‘scare then to the Conservatives’?

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  64. Judith (7,664 comments) says:

    @ liarbors a joke (1,036) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    just for your thumbs down Judith Im gona give you one…heh..that’ll learn ya..

    tut tut tut … you should not be so suspicious – I did not give you a thumbs down, and in fact, as soon as I’ve posted this, I’ll give you a thumbs up on both your posts to me, to prove it. Feel free to apologise or not – it is not really a biggie for me!

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  65. DJP6-25 (1,273 comments) says:

    I think Colin Craig needs to learn a two word phrase. ‘No comment’. And he needs to stick to it. He could also try and change the subject and draw attention to how crazy some of the Green Taliban policies are.

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  66. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Chemtrails are chemicals that make people stupid. People stand around looking at the trails, the chemical rains down on them and in to their open mouths, and next thing you know they have an IQ lower than that of a pot noodle.

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  67. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “with a mish mash of coalition parties is a horrific thought.”

    And how long do you think it would be before the 5 headed monster party led by silent T would last before it imploded. A motley crew of nobodies who couldn’t run a bath. I think NZ’ers are cleverer than that , they wont let it happen.

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  68. Scott (1,710 comments) says:

    Having listened to the interview with Sean Plunket I agree with much of the above, including the fellow who says he needs media training. When Colin Craig’s policies are actually listed out, as they were recently on this blog, many people were impressed with many of his policies. So I think the Conservative party has a chance to get above the 5% threshold. There are many New Zealanders who are of traditional morals who don’t like the liberal direction of the country that has been happening under both major parties. So Colin has a chance to get plenty of votes in the next election.

    However he let Sean Plunket dictate the agenda and ask him about things like chemical trails and whether he believes in God etc. A more experienced, media savvy politician would make a very short response to the question and then go on to talk about the policies and positions that he wants to talk about. That’s what a good media trained politician does. Whatever the question he goes on to answer about the things he wants to talk about.

    So in my view Colin Craig needs to avoid distractions and get on to discuss the important issues of the day. Because I believe many New Zealanders are hungry for a proper Conservative, right of centre perspective on major issues.

    For too long our media and our politicians have been all progressive, all of the time.It’s time for the right to rise up and reclaim our nation!

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  69. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Scott>Because I believe many New Zealanders are hungry for a proper Conservative, right of centre perspective on major issues.

    Except they aren’t right of center… They believe in big government ownership of business, don’t seem to believe in free trade, and want to confiscate property. They’re like the Green Party, with smacking.

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  70. Scott Chris (5,884 comments) says:

    I’d have thought that any self-respecting conspirator would release the chemtrails at night so as not to alarm the natives.

    Fucking amateurs.

    As for gm foods, well I’m sure we’re all aware that carrots aren’t naturally orange. They were originally purple. Pretty sure no one’s been harmed by orange carrots though I’ve heard that if you eat too many it can turn you orange….

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  71. nostrils (53 comments) says:

    Thank you for the audio link. Wow! What a strange man. He makes Shane Jones seem normal :)

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  72. iMP (2,245 comments) says:

    Anyone would think Colin Craig was already in parliament and doesn’t also have a full time job while he’s growing a brand new party. Cut the guy some slack.

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  73. kowtow (7,652 comments) says:

    Carrots aren’t naturally orange……that’s those blumin’ Dutchies for ya.

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  74. Cunningham (821 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t vote for him personally but poor effort by Plunket. Typical jounro with an arrogant ‘I know best’ attitude and focusing on things that have no relevance at all. The guy did himself no favours with this interview and I think he made more of a fool of himeself then CC.

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  75. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    I was walking out on the Pier at Venice Beach a few weeks ago and heard a guy pointing up at a trail and explaining to his very hot blonde companion that it was chemtrails to thin out the population. My girlfriend made me bite my tongue but I really wanted to ask him why the fuck he was walking towards it if he thought it was poison???

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  76. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business:

    Monsanto spent millions to keep food labelling off GE products because they know the public want real food.

    In fact their CEO said food labelling is the same as putting a skull and crossbones on GE products.

    Monsanto spent millions fighting food labelling because it doesn’t actually tell you anything. The main point of food labelling is to scare people away from it, as though it were a skull and bones symbol. People will look at a product, see the GE label on it, go “Yuck! This will make my baby grow an extra head!” and then go buy something organic in the (false) belief that this is safer.

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  77. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    GE food labeling makes no sense. It is totally uninformative and term GE is so broad as to label anything GE is useless. GE can refer to cross-breeding or foods that have been irradiated for safety for example. With no set definition labeling is confusing and not economically sound

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  78. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Did Craig really state that Key was too gay for Helensville ?
    If so one has to wonder how gay Craig himself is if he has a great desire to jump into bed with Key ?

    He wants to go back to the days when children were beaten, cannot see that getting through parliament.
    Wants to stop all gay marriage and gay activity ? he has two chances of that going through, slim and none.

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  79. Left Right and Centre (2,823 comments) says:

    Nukuleka

    That’s when these cunts are being all nicey-nicey for the media. What do you reckon they’re like the rest of the time you farking eedio-yacht, hmmm ??

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  80. LabourDoesntWork (282 comments) says:

    Double rainbows are filled with chemicals that make you high and go viral! He’s dying by the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

    What a way to go.

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  81. rangitoto (195 comments) says:

    Yep. It’s true. Those chemtrails are the gubbermint poisoning us with dihydrogen monoxide. Mark my words, they will be putting it in our water next!

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  82. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    Would governments lie about chemtrails?

    The meteorological office has in the past denied there were any rainmaking experiments conducted before 1955, but a BBC Radio 4 history investigation, to be broadcast tonight, has unearthed documents recently released at the public record office showing that they were going on from 1949 to 1955. RAF logbooks and personnel corroborate the evidence.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/30/sillyseason.physicalsciences

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  83. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Would governments lie about chemtrails?”

    No, Ugly – not just governments. Thousands and thousands of civilians all over the planet need to be lying too.

    It isn’t possible.

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  84. greybeard (50 comments) says:

    Colin Craig as an individual can surely have his own points-of-view. Who cares how silly they may sound to other people, we are all in the same boat.
    Colin Craig has at least two personas: Colin the man, husband, father, neighbour, friend, schoolmate etc. The ordinary bloke , as we all are. And then there is Colin the public personality: the self-made-man, the political aspirant, the person who is interviewed by radio and TV, and someone who is accosted by reporters, members of the public, etc.
    I am bloody sure that if someone with a TV camera behind them stuck a microphone in my face and asked me if I believed in “chemtrails” that my first response would not be particularly articulate or accurate.
    My personal opinion: Some of those sky trails could be ( or could have been ) chemtrails: most are vapour, but we live in a country which created aerial topdressing for farms, so why is the concept of chemtrails so ridiculed ?
    And we know that Saddam Hussein used such methods against his Shi’ite and Kurdish opponents.
    Give the guy a break: at least he is doing something, and is the perfect example of someone who ” puts his money where his mouth is “.

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  85. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Govt lied about when they started trying to make rain, therefore, they are poisoning their citizens.

    Seems legit.

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  86. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    No, Ugly – not just governments. Thousands and thousands of civilians all over the planet need to be lying too.

    Ever heard of a non-disclosure agreement?

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  87. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    rangitoto: Very good Sir…reminds me of reading somewhere that this compound DW killed the AIDS virus….in a test tube…Being a scientifically literate man I’m sure you know what DW stands for…

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  88. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    greybeard: Have you ever known of aerial topdressing from 30,000 feet? (You need to be very high to generate any kind of -trail)….the whole “chemtrail” premise is absurd…

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  89. doggone7 (705 comments) says:

    “Give the guy a break: at least he is doing something, and is the perfect example of someone who ” puts his money where his mouth is “.

    That’s reasonable but I don’t like it when others try to use their money to put my mouth where they want it to be.

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  90. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Ever heard of a non-disclosure agreement?”

    Yes. Of course. Are you seriously suggesting that thousands of civilians, all over the world, working at airports, traffic control towers, pilots, engineers, government staff are all lying about this? That family people, people like you and me, are not blowing such a worldwide conspiracy of epic proportions due to a non-disclosure?

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  91. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    the whole “chemtrail” premise is absurd

    What is absurd are the explanations that the numpties trot out:

    http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/letter-from-the-mayor-of-kaikoura-mayor-heays-to-todd-krieble-of-the-ministry-for-the-environment/

    Your reasoning that my sightings and those of many others throughout our skies are… “the result of normal air traffic” is, to be blunt, bollocks.

    The directions these trails I refer to are not on the flight paths of domestic or international airlines nor do we “top dress” over the Pacific Ocean.

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  92. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    He is seriously suggesting that. All these thousands of citizens are apparently happy to break tons of laws by deliberately participating in a conspiracy to murder people, but none of them would ever break the conditions of a non-disclosure agreement….

    Again, seems legit.

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  93. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    “Ever heard of a non-disclosure agreement?”

    Yes. Of course.

    So who didn’t your argument take into account the possibility that your civilians are not lying because they choose to remain silent?

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  94. Manolo (13,394 comments) says:

    Craig’s fumbles aside, it’s interesting to see the hyenas forming a pack in a concerted attack on him. Add to the mix the left-leaning press and you have it: an unholy alliance of political prostitutes and media hacks baying for blood and willing to see Labour in power.

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  95. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    He is seriously suggesting that. All these thousands of citizens are apparently happy to break tons of laws by deliberately participating in a conspiracy to murder people, but none of them would ever break the conditions of a non-disclosure agreement….

    Who is suggesting that? What I’m doing is pointing out how contrived the Contrarian’s straw man is.

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  96. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    What strawman?

    You are asserting that thousands of people (even tens of thousands), worldwide are all in on this secret. Civilians – not military or government people, civilians. Airport workers, pilots, air traffic control – everyone. All because of a non-discourse.

    That’s what you are saying – it isn’t a strawman

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  97. wiseowl (763 comments) says:

    Chemtrails do affect people.

    The effect is very selective and when it hits its target, it runs along and joins the Green Party.

    Beware you may be sprayed tomorrow.

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  98. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    Manolo (11,375) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Most sense I’ve seen on this all day…….

    I hope Colin has a cast iron back, he’s gonna need it.

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  99. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    What strawman?

    The usual one that large-scale conspiracies can’t happen because they would involve lots of people and somebody would spill the beans. The straw man makes a particular conspiracy seem to be less likely by making it artificially more difficult to pull off successfully. The problem of information leaks in large scale conspiracies can be minimised by compartmentalization of functions so that individual participants don’t have direct knowledge of how their role plays a part in the greater conspiracy.

    You are asserting that thousands of people (even tens of thousands), worldwide are all in on this secret.

    No, I’m not. You’re lying about my position in an attempt to draw attention away from your strawman.

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  100. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    Some recent media on chemtrails

    http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/weather/weather_news/contrails-or-chemtrails-7-action-news-gets-the-truth-behind-the-white-trails-in-the-sky

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  101. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    OK so the reason that this large scale conspiracy is able to take place is because of the compartmentalization of functions so that individual participants don’t have direct knowledge of how their role plays a part in the greater conspiracy?

    “No, I’m not. You’re lying about my position in an attempt to draw attention away from your strawman.”

    No it isn’t a strawman because there has to be thouands of people involved. You’re accusing me of a strawman to divert attention away from the fact this conspiracy needs the participation of thousands, if not tens of thousands of people from all walks of life, in many different industries, since the 1990′s. That isn’t a strawman – that is a fact. You have to account for this, it isn’t a strawman – it is a reality.

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  102. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Some recent media on chemtrails”

    A media clip that completely debunks the chemtrail theory. Well done.

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  103. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    OK so the reason that this large scale conspiracy is able to take place is because of the compartmentalization of functions so that individual participants don’t have direct knowledge of how their role plays a part in the greater conspiracy?

    No, it is an example of a scenario which is more achievable than you strawman, which didn’t even consider the possibility that people don’t say anything because of the penalties of breaking a NDA.

    No it isn’t a strawman because there has to be thouands of people involved.

    Now you are covering with second strawman by failing to mention that in your original argument these people had to be lying.

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  104. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    A media clip that completely debunks the chemtrail theory. Well done.

    How did the clip debunk the chemtrail theory?

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  105. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Look Ugly – the Chemtrail conspiracy has been around since about the mid 1990′s. Putting aside that persistent chemtrails have have been records for about 60 years lets use 1995 as our start point for arguments sake. That is nearly 20 years of chemtrail activity. That would mean tens of thousands of people would have to be involved from all walks of life. So my question is how could all these people, not government, but regular people like air traffic control, pilots, airport workers, admin staff – everyone keep it silent.

    Why do you suppose?

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  106. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “How did the clip debunk the chemtrail theory?”

    Because it had no evidence whatsoever for chemtrails. No evidence was presented, all the chemical reults were negative and not one person corroborated the chemtrail theory.

    Why do you think it supported it?

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  107. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    That is nearly 20 years of chemtrail activity. That would mean tens of thousands of people would have to be involved from all walks of life.

    What sore of roles would these people have?
    Are you counting the people involved in support services who have no reason to think that they are involved in anything untoward?

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  108. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. What are “they” spraying?

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  109. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Are you counting the people involved in support services who have no reason to think that they are involved in anything untoward?”

    Yeah – because the only people smart enough to realise what is going on isn’t the 20 years worth of people involved in such activity but youtube warriors and ass-backwards blog stalkers like yourself.

    Idiot.

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  110. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Personally, I think believing in God is just as crazy as belief in the chemtrail conspiracy.

    However, I am slow to condemn anyone entirely on a single issue. Craig may be a Christian, but that alone would not prevent me voting for him. I am more concerned with outcomes than with speculation about a persons motivation and inner thoughts.

    Regulars know I give believers a pretty hard time. A blog is the place to challenge things, not an echo chamber. But I dislike the way the media attack conservatives and I support their right to a fair hearing and equal treatment. I don’t give a shit if Craig believes in the tooth fairy or is a raging poofter. I care about what he can do for our country. People can not live on ideologies.

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  111. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    Because it had no evidence whatsoever for chemtrails. No evidence was presented, all the chemical reults were negative and not one person corroborated the chemtrail theory.

    So you’re implying that they debunked it by not showing positive results and by not interviewing anyone who would corroborate it, or are you saying that no evidence for the theory exists?

    Why do you think it supported it?

    I didn’t. I simply couldn’t be arsed watching it.

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  112. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ugly, you should worry less about the “spray” and more about your cannabis habit :)

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  113. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Because it had no evidence whatsoever for chemtrails. No evidence was presented, all the chemical reults were negative and not one person corroborated the chemtrail theory.

    So you’re implying that they debunked it by not showing positive results and by not interviewing anyone who would corroborate it, or are you saying that no evidence for the theory exists?

    Why do you think it supported it?

    I didn’t. I simply couldn’t be arsed watching it.

    ^Wow. This. ^

    Thanks Ugly.

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  114. SPC (5,397 comments) says:

    Jadis, it is just a guess, but I doubt that it is Colin Craig’s intent to be the loyal poodle that Key and you want him to be.

    Nor do people join another party to serve the interests of National, the exception to this rule being Brash and Banks – and how has that worked for ACT? Parties that are just tools for another have no credibility.

    The Conservatives, as a new party, will not have such a limited focus as supplanting NZ First, whatever you might like, they would presumably just seek to attract support from existing parties and those unrepresented by existing parties. The latter meme speaks to populism – as per CIR (whether the media likes that or not).

    If you really want the Conservative Party to be a NZ First clone, then consider working with a party buying back power company shares. The dividends are higher than the current cost of government debt.

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  115. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    “Are you counting the people involved in support services who have no reason to think that they are involved in anything untoward?”

    Yeah – because the only people smart enough to realise what is going on isn’t the 20 years worth of people involved in such activity but youtube warriors and ass-backwards blog stalkers like yourself.

    Idiot.

    Well done Contrarian, as well as being a liar you’ve just outed yourself as being an asshole.
    What reason would you have for introducing a sarcastic and abusive ad hominem other than to divert from yet another straw man?

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  116. NK (1,072 comments) says:

    On One News tonight Craig told a punter in Christchurch he could support Labour. He’s having bobs every which way at the moment and that clip will be repeated next year many times.

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  117. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Mmmmm, yes. Sorry Ugly – there is no reason to take you seriously.

    Good luck, ol’ pal.

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  118. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ugly do you find cannabis mitigates the effects of the spraying and frees your mind ?

    A friend has a device outside his house to protect him from chemtrails. You would like him.

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  119. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. I say again, what are “they” spraying?

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  120. big bruv (13,318 comments) says:

    In one interview the CCCP fucked up any chance they had of being a part of the next parliament.

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  121. David Garrett (6,461 comments) says:

    fuck, dare I say it…sometimes the discussions on here plumb depths even the Stranded doesn’t reach…I thought it was quite amusing at first…before I realised some of these “chemtrails” guys are deadly serious….

    So far, not ONE has even suggested an answer to Dennis H’s obvious question: “What are ‘they’ spraying?” I would have thought a plausible answer to that is fundamental to any half arse conspiracy theory…And has any of these conspiracists suggested who “they” might be? Any candidates at all for this 40 year project of obfuscation?

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  122. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    David Garrett, your fixation on reason and evidence is due to the spray. Free your mind and google it :)

    [It helps if you smoke a joint first]

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  123. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,057) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    He is seriously suggesting that. All these thousands of citizens are apparently happy to break tons of laws by deliberately participating in a conspiracy to murder people, but none of them would ever break the conditions of a non-disclosure agreement….

    Who is suggesting that? What I’m doing is pointing out how contrived the Contrarian’s straw man is.

    Yeah, Edward Snowden’s NDA was watertight. As was Private Manning’s oath to secrecy.

    They can’t keep spying secret, but hey chemtrails, easy.

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  124. itstricky (1,579 comments) says:

    So far, not ONE has even suggested an answer to Dennis H’s obvious question: “What are ‘they’ spraying?”

    Careful David, they’re sucking you in…

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  125. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. I say again, what are “they” spraying?

    I don’t know. IMO the most likely candidates are elements like aluminium and barium for purpose of weather modification and geoengineering.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/lostjournals/lostjournals09.htm

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  126. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. Aluminium and barium. In what form? For weather modification. Why the big secret?

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  127. itstricky (1,579 comments) says:

    Craig’s fumbles aside, it’s interesting to see the hyenas forming a pack in a concerted attack on him. Add to the mix the left-leaning press and you have it

    911 conspiracies and chemical sprays from the sky – yep, there’s those damn left wing MSM again going and picking up those “small fumbles” – they should be picking on the Green’s and their completely global warming conspiracy theory. I mean – wacky – they’re just wacky wacky wacky hippies, them hippies.

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  128. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    Why the big secret?

    For the same reason that the British meteorological office denied the existence of the rainmaking experiments – the technology has military applications and people generally don’t advertise technology that can be used covertly.

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  129. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. In what form is the Al and Ba sprayed?

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  130. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennis is it safe? Horne, is all part of this Ugly.

    He puts MERCURY in peoples MOUTHS to POISON them as part of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

    http://www.mercuryundercover.com/

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  131. UglyTruth (4,019 comments) says:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/military-weather-modification-chemtrails-atmospheric-geoengineering-and-environmental-warfare

    Developed in 1988 by the United Nations Environment Programme and the UN’s World Meteorological Organization, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) just published its Fifth Assessment Report [1] and maintains its silence on military weather modification applications which continue to skew the data.

    “Extreme weather and climate events” are linked to climate change while no mention is made of government programs deliberately aimed at modifying the weather and inducing earthquakes, drought, rain, and tsunamis.

    The modern weather modification program, at least in the US, is over 70 years old. Public service announcements printed in newspapers back in the 1960s warned of government intention to modify the weather.

    Life Magazine, back in the 50s and 60s, continually covered US weather modification programs, including Project Stormfury which redirected and reduced hurricane intensity from 1962 to 1983. The IPCC’s continuing and absolute silence on such programs is deafening.

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  132. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    This conspiracy needs some work. They can keep so many people quiet, murder indiscriminately, but they can’t get to these geniuses who have cracked the whole murdering crime ring, post on the internet and leave a long digital trail. They’re really good at chemtrails and keeping it quiet, but their murdering of whistleblowers needs some work.

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  133. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth. I don’t know how you get through the day. Do you accept anything at face value? Ever feel safe anywhere?

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  134. Warren Murray (280 comments) says:

    Colin Craig reminds me of the Sloth in Ice Age.

    We can only hope he poaches enough votes from Winston First to stop him getting over 5% but not enough for the Cons to get in either.

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  135. s.russell (1,564 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is ignoring the important issues that ordinary voters don’t care about and focusing on the trivial issues that his potential supporters do care about.
    Sounds sensible to me.

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  136. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Dennis Horne (2,004) Says:
    November 29th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
    @UglyTruth. What are “they” spraying?

    It’s dihydrogen monoxide, a deadly chemical in high doses.

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  137. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennis [is it safe?] Horne, refuses to comment on my revelations regarding mercury, even though I used CAPITALS.

    He is clearly a shill for the illuminati.

    :)

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  138. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea-Is-It-Marni?

    Mercury in people’s mouths. Uranus in their minds… :) :) :)

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  139. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennis, is it safe ?

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  140. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea-Is-It-Marni. Are you Marni? Are you safe?

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  141. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennnis, fluoride, is it safe ?

    I am not a feminist physicist with mental health issues. I am surprised she has not been along to correct this story herself. We would probably get along though :)

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  142. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea. No, I know you’re not Marni. And yes, you’re safe…

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/hamiltons_non-decision_on_fluoride.html/comment-page-1#comment-1241956

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  143. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennis, I read your post on Fluoride. It is clear to me you are part of a conspiracy due to your failure to activate the caps-lock.

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  144. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Expiracy more like it!

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  145. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Please. Let’s start backing away from Colin Craig now. But very, very slowly. Whatever happened to Rachel MacGregor?

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  146. deadrightkev (278 comments) says:

    Chardonnay Guy and Peter George

    It is possible that Colin Craig is just a big hearted Kiwi bloke with a few bob and a conscience. He is definitely someone that could no longer live with the two socialist mobs and clingon parties that have held us back for 80 years.

    National begged Craig to stand for them more than once but he told them to get lost. Quite rightly too, because he like most of us on the real right know that National and Labour are socialist plodders happy to control behaviour and do little else. Its a hoot that certain blogs have now backed off putting the boot into Craig. Has the word come down from up top boys?

    NZ politics has never been in worse shape. Craig has a lot to learn but at least Colin Craig is genuine, having a go and attempting to make a difference. Peter Dunne, John Banks and Winston Peters are well past anything like useful to the NZ voter.

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  147. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Unfortunately, one of the ‘bobs’ in Colin Craig’s corner is Bob McCoskrie, leader of Family First :) And Dunne was sabotaged by his fundie Future New Zealand/Kiwi Party/Conservative Party white-ants, let’s face it- much as ACT was by its populist-technocrat civil war (2008-2011) and Winston’s “leadership” capability is illusory, largely because his caucus consists of drones and sycophants.

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  148. gump (1,491 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth

    “Ever heard of a non-disclosure agreement?”

    ———————-

    Ever heard of Pvt. Manning?

    Ever heard of Edward Snowden?

    Ever heard of Daniel Ellsberg?

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  149. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    NZ politics has never been in worse shape

    Personally I think we are in pretty good shape, all things considered.

    What is in “worse shape” are the far left and fringe parties. I consider that a good sign. :)

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  150. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘What is in “worse shape” are the far left and fringe parties. I consider that a good sign.’

    I don’t think we can say that until November 2014. No one was downcast last election.

    Winston knew he had been fleeced but he still added to parliament.

    I would suggest rumour mongering is not going to affect his or anyone elses campaign next year.

    Listening to the pop vox voices many are set on their voting decision already…in concrete.

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  151. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘but their murdering of whistleblowers needs some work.’

    Much has been written and speculated about the death of 33 year old journalist Michael Hastings in a car crash … the US government and … killing people …

    judymorrisreport.blogspot.com/2013/06/journalist-michael-hastings

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  152. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘In one interview the CCCP fucked up any chance they had of being a part of the next parliament.’

    Are you talking about National or Labour ?

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  153. Gulag1917 (661 comments) says:

    Time for a New Conservative party.

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  154. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘compartmentalization of functions so that individual participants don’t have direct knowledge of how their role plays a part in the greater conspiracy.’

    Fascism wasn’t built in a day.

    US IBM technology of the time sure went a long way to buiild up the data base to identify and isolate Jewery.

    Add terms like Homeland Security in the 30′s and a continual narrative ingrained into the people making it acceptable

    and you see apicture of the west today with a far advanced technological base already used for spying on honest tax paying

    citizens.

    In fact, you could go as far as seeing how Nazi Germany was an experiment for the future.

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  155. Tom Barker (103 comments) says:

    Mr Craig would make a superb Minister for Chemtrails and Creationism. Just don’t let him near anything important.

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