Colin Craig’s strategy revealed

November 28th, 2013 at 7:00 am by Jadis

I was a bit perplexed as to why continues to come out with support for what seems like rather extreme views.  Yes, he is a minority party leader however drip feeding his views on how wonderful Sarah Palin is, that man-made climate change doesn’t exist and now that could exist takes him to a whole new level.  So what is his strategy behind it?  There must be some science and reasoning as to why Colin Craig would be willing to make such public statements – and it isn’t just because he wants Ken Ring as a List candidate for the .

I can reveal that a piece of research conducted by UMR Research in 2011 is the likely source of Colin Craig’s vote chasing and strategic planning

UMR polled 1000 New Zealanders and found the following:

  1. 61% of respondents believe there is a or universal spirit
  2. 55% of respondents believed some people had psychic powers
  3. 33% of respondents believed aliens had visited the earth
  4. 24% of respondents believed that astrology can predict a person’s future

Colin has the first point covered.  We know that he has expressed his own belief in God, his chief executive is apparently a Buddhist and the Conservatives list from last election is peppered with committed and open Christian politicians.  61% of the population suggests to Craig that the Conservatives have an extensive pool to reach into to get to the magical 5% threshold.  That 61% starts to get really interesting when we use math in only a way Craig would know how and add 1, 2, 3 and 4 to each other – that is a potential pool of voters of 173% of New Zealanders.  Colin is on to a winner.

In all seriousness though, Colin Craig and the Conservatives have a huge opportunity.  Espousing these sorts of fringe views means that the serious positioning of the Conservatives goes to waste.  There is a real space for the Conservatives as the Muldoonists of the future and social conservatives.  As a fiscal conservative and social liberal they aren’t my people but there are a swag of voters that Craig should be reaching out to.  Those voters are in the provinces, in the cities, in Grey Power and on school boards BUT do they really want to be associated with a man who can’t shut his trap on such things as Chemtrails?  Time for Colin Craig to get some discipline.

 

* This post is written by Jadis – so don’t freak out that DPF would be so mean!

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87 Responses to “Colin Craig’s strategy revealed”

  1. TheContrarian (1,082 comments) says:

    Chemtrails? Really? Wow.

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  2. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Colin Craig on chemtrails – not just a one off odd response, he’s already stated his lack of willingness to call bollocks on it on his own website where he says “don’t know whether there is any truth in this or not”.

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  3. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    Where would we be without Pete George deciding things for us?, I simply would not be able to function.

    So Pete, let me ask you this. If the CCCP is so bat shit crazy who should I vote for to keep the Nat’s in power?

    Might it be Peter Dunne that I should vote for?, is Dunne the only man who is sensible enough to hold the middle ground?

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  4. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    Oh…and Pete George.

    Is Dunne still funded by the tobacco people?

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  5. BAM (2 comments) says:

    Chem trails and conservatism don’t really work well together.

    Craig need to spend less time on you tube and more time gaining a bit of political nous.

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  6. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Oh…and big bruv – would you prefer a lame duck National Government with the Maori Party holding balance of power? Without Dunne that’s what we would have this term. Or would you prefer a Labour+Green+Maori+Mana+NZF coalition? You decide. You may like those alternatives, it would really give you something to moan about then, you wouldn’t have to make things up.

    It’s good to see you highlighting the benefits of a centrist party, saves me from having to bring it up.

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  7. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    One of our regular commenters “Blair M” summed up the CCCP rather well: (October 5th, 2012 at 4:25 am)

    …..”There is nothing right wing about the Conservative Party – they are autarkists! People need to stop pretending they are some friend to the National Party. They are NZ First for fundamentalists.”…..

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  8. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Off-actual-topic, but can someone enlighten me as to who, precisely, is this “Jadis”?

    I’ve obviously missed some vital notification or announcement – but why is this ‘Jadis’ person – (who, I am sure is a fine fellow/lady) – originating topics in ol’ DPF’s blog?

    Just wondered, is all.

    [DPF: Jadis is a friend of DPF's. She has guest posted in the past, and has kindly agreed to do a few while I am away]

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  9. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    An pertinent post at The Standard – Just what do the Conservatives & National agree on?

    … there’s one problem: they don’t agree on anything. The Conservatives are reactionaries, the Nats are neo-libs – and they agree on less than nearly any other party combination.

    Tax:
    The Conservatives want to make the first $25K of income tax-free and increase GST to 20%. That would increase the deficit by $4 billion a year. National says the tax system is ‘fixed’ and wants to return to surplus.

    Referenda:
    The Conservatives support binding referenda on all significant issues and a delay on legislation coming into force so that it can be voted on by the public. John Key has basically shat on Citizen-Intitiated Referenda, and has weakened the one form of compulsory referenda we have – those on local body amalgamations.

    Marriage equality:
    The Conservatives strongly opposed like the troglodytes they are and even called John Key ‘too gay for Helensville. A majority of Nats voted against marriage equality, too, but Key supported it and there’s no chance that National would revisit that.

    Asset sales:
    The Conservatives oppose National’s asset sales, which is National’s main economic policy.

    Oil exploration:
    Craig wants NZ to stand up to Big Oil, National is rolling out the welcome mat.

    SkyCity deal:
    The Conservatives oppose the deal on moral grounds, while National has invested huge political capital in it.

    Defence:
    The Conservatives want conscription and to increase the military budget by $2 billion a year. National doesn’t back conscription and the defence budget has been basically static on its watch.

    Smacking:
    Craig’s first foray into national politics was a march where he paid $100 in ads for each marcher who showed up to protest for the right to assault children. John Key ignored the referendum on the issues.

    Climate change:
    Craig denies climate science. While it’s clear many senior Nats are denialists, too, National ‘officially’ accepts climate change, Tim Groser says you would have to be in denial of reality not to.

    Maori seats:
    The Conservatives want them abolished, National says it’s up to Maori.

    Foreign investment:
    the Conservatives want to stop land being sold to overseas buyers. National wants to sell anything and everything.

    Land-banking:
    The Conservatives would confiscate land held by land-bankers that they don’t develop. This idea is abhorrent to National.

    Constitutional review:
    Craig wants this stopped. National instigated it as part of its deal with the Maori Party.

    While creation and chemtrails aren’t policy I suspect most of National will disagree with Craig on those too.

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  10. Morgy (171 comments) says:

    This is really frustrating. I think Craig has a big opportunity here to position himself for next year and lots of what I have heard doesn’t scare me (given he will probably run in my electorate of ECB and tactics will more than likely be required). During the weekend we saw a list of what his views were. Some many would agree with and some not however he at least has a list that can be negotiated down….that’s clever. Last night though on three news, they had a crack at him for being whacky and not being up front and cited his billboard where some of the images were used in other places around the world. No mention of the fact the creative team purchased them from a library (I assume) but they took him to task in the preamble to the story that these people really weren’t Conservative supporters. BIG NON STORY. He talks of Sarah Palin. His views aren’t weird just out of sync with others although this was also delivered as “really?” and then of course the chem-trails non view. Here he can get stuck.

    Colin, you do or you don’t. That’s how Kiwi’s think. Do you think at Auckland Airport, they load our 777′s or 747′s with food, gas and a chemical agent? Yes or no? Any other answer will create an aura of CRACKPOT.

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  11. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    The sad thing is, we could do with a party that promoted individual responsibility, but, when I look at Craig I think, why is he so wealthy and I am so poor. Even if I swallowed hard and ignored the religiosity, I couldn’t vote for a drip.

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  12. Tom Jackson (2,529 comments) says:

    This poll demonstrates why democracy is wrong.

    Psychic powers FFS.

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  13. Tom Jackson (2,529 comments) says:

    The sad thing is, we could do with a party that promoted individual responsibility,

    You can’t have a modern economy without extensive forms of social insurance, so this is a political and economic dead end.

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  14. Mark (1,433 comments) says:

    Just what national needs as a coallition partner a complete nutter

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  15. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    @Tom Jackson. Ah, Tom, but “individual responsibility” can still be a philosophy. I don’t object to helping people provided they don’t take it for granted.

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  16. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    Chef trails? Who gives a flying sh*t about Chemtrails. Why does Colin the Con need to have as view on everything? It’ll be his downfall.

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  17. mandk (885 comments) says:

    If 61% of people believe in God or a universal spirit, and 55% believe that some people have psychic powers, they are hardly fringe views. They sound pretty mainstream to me, although I only share one of them.

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  18. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    @Mark
    Well Labour have their nutters (the Gweens), National needs theirs I suppose. Like a fashion accessory, Paris Hilton’s chiwawa in her handbag type of accessory.

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  19. Alan (1,082 comments) says:

    @Big Bruv

    “If the CCCP is so bat shit crazy who should I vote for to keep the Nat’s in power?”

    Have you considered voting National ?

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  20. wiseowl (832 comments) says:

    It’s easy for the media to cherry pick bites from interviews to paint a picture to suit their approval/disapproval of the target.
    And then we have the Nats who don’t know what they stand for anymore, join in and follow the crowd putting the boot in.

    CC may be politically naive but he is stepping into the hole National have left and will do well despite all the denigration.
    And as for the defender of Dunne nothing ………………..sorry his time is up.

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  21. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    ….”Have you considered voting National ?”….

    And here “Alan” gets to the nub of the matter. The CCCP only exists because a few disgruntled National voters want to throw their toys out of the cot to punish National for covering the political centre.

    They will throw the country to the mercy of the lunatics of the left just because they didn’t get things totally their own way.

    True politics of the playground

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  22. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Oh yes, where would we be without Peter Dunne. You should also have reminded me how valuable the families commission is.

    Actually Pete I think it shows just how deluded you and Dunne are if you think that the people of New Zealand are going to vote for Dunne. The latest polls show that the whore from Karori has 0.1% support.

    You and I both know that the whore only retains the seat he “holds” because the Nat’s have so far refused to stand anybody with a pulse against him.

    Dunne is not “Mr Sensible”, nor is he a centrist politician. Dunne is a political slut who will go with what ever party offers him a limo.

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  23. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Yeah well Craig is making the mistake of trying to be all things to all people whereas the pros like Dunne are far more selective in whom they choose to pander to.

    Craig’s even made a bid for the astrology vote out there with his claim that climate change (it’s gettin cooler he reckons) is dictated by the movement of celestial bodies. Wonder if Ken Ring will make a good Minister of Science and Technology….

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  24. Tom Barker (133 comments) says:

    “Is Dunne still funded by the tobacco people?”

    You don’t seem to have this question from earlier, Peter George, and your failure to do so is informative in itself. I’d never vote for a candidate, and still less for a party, with financial ties to the tobacco industry.

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  25. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    Alan

    “Have you considered voting National ?”

    Why would I vote for a socialist party Alan?

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  26. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    There is more evidence for Chemtrails than global warming. I think David is too quick to condemn.

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  27. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Tom – not responding to all of to the many diss attempts is not informative about anything apart from the diversionary motives of the questioners. As far as I’m aware there has been hardly any funding from anyone, and certainly not by tobacco people this century.

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  28. safesally (47 comments) says:

    Food for thought
    Over 100 million dollars annually goes into the wallets of leaders of just ten unions in New Zealand.
    Perhaps the John Key haters should ask where that money really goes.
    Are there too many millionaire unionists?

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  29. Paulus (2,565 comments) says:

    If it means keeping the Labour/Green Taliban out of power I will give my party vote to the Conservative Party.

    Normally I would never have conceived such a thing, but MMP makes me consider seriously such a move.

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  30. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The more I read about Colin the more I find myself liking his ideas. I do not agree with all his positions but that is the same with any politician I support.. I am also aware that the media are more likely to report things that may damage a conservative and fail to report anything damaging to the left. Hence all the talk of Chemtrails.

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  31. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    @Kea. Do you think we can double the CO2 and it have no effect on the climate? Why?

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  32. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    This was scurrilous rubbish by TV3 who actually made up the Q.s and drew long bows with Craig’s responses, about from chch east to the Moon. If you watch the Tv3 clip here, Craig’s answers are nothing what was reported.

    a) On vapor trails he said “I don’t really have an opinion on things I don’t know anything about”. Made into ‘Supports Conspiracy.”

    b) I admire Sarah Palin for taking on the Oil companies and winning. Made into ‘Is a Looney.”

    Terrible manipulative agenda-setting ‘journalism.’

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  33. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    c) Vapor trails predicated on “refused to rule out.” A bit like “Have you stopped beating your wife, yet?”

    Here’s the clip. Utter rubbish by TV3.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Colin-Craig-admires-Sarah-Palin/tabid/1607/articleID/323089/Default.aspx#.UpZLzihvCFI

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  34. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    I still think someone should think about rehabilitating and rebranding United Future so that National can have a choice of coalition partners. And I’m afraid I did warn the centre-right about cuddling up to Colin. It’s a poisoned chalice. And incidentally, are the Con Party voters necessarily ex-Nats? Might they not be ex-ACT populist social conservatives, ex-Christian Heritage Party voters and rent-a-bigot ex-New Zealand First elderly sycophants who want a new personality cult?

    Face it. CC is a fundamentalist. Most fundies are utter scientific illiterates and tend toward gullibility when it comes to conspiracy theories. Incidentally, David, was that “committed” Christian comment an unintentional double entendre? And has anyone spotted tinfoil hats in their vicinity ;)

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  35. Ashley Schaeffer (443 comments) says:

    How many other party leaders have been asked about Chemtrails? Craig has simply said that the Conservative Party has no formal position on Chemtrails. Do any of the other political parties have a formal position on Chemtrails?

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  36. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    I’m just beginning to discern a purpose for the CCCP…..that of being a lightening conductor for National.

    So long as the gaffe ridden Mr Craig can be guaranteed to ram his foot in his mouth every time the Commie media ask him a question, National should get an easy ride up to Election 2014.

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  37. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    Ho de ho. The Greens are nut job hippies but this is just a guy who has got the wrong end of the stick. And…I’ll promptly get fifty downvotes just to prove how completely illogical your arguments are.

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  38. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    So heaps of New Zealander’s have imaginary friends – that explains a lot.

    Let’s vote Colin Craig in as P.M. – it’s been a while since we had a fruit loop in that position.

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  39. Scott (1,736 comments) says:

    Unfortunately we are going to find it hard to actually get Colin Craig’s views from the media. They have decided they don’t like him and so they won’t report him honestly.
    I am amazed how much the media focus on a centre-right politician like Colin Craig and try desperately to discredit him while left-wing politicians receive no negative attention whatsoever.

    For example has anyone ever asked Metiria Turei co-leader of the Greens a searching question?What are her views on chem trails? What are her views on global warming?
    Has she ever renounced the views that she held when she was a member of the McGillicuddy serious party? Is she still a supporter of the legalise cannabis party?
    I suspect once you drill down you will find a wingnut of the most extreme views. But we will never hear about it because the mainstream media will never ask her a searching question.

    Colin Craig on the other hand is a nice guy, a family man, a successful businessman and entrepreneur who has traditional social views.

    Obviously he must be stopped at all costs!?

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  40. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    iMP – on it’s own I thought the 3 News item was a bit of a hit job and asked several from 3 News on Twitter how the chemtrail response had come up. They didn’t respond. But someone else pointed to the origin – a question and answer on the Conesrvative website, which is where the journalists got the idea from. So Craig left himself wide open to ridicule on it, he could have dealt with it easily on his website Q&A but he fobbed it off there.

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  41. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    itstricky

    Okay, you lot have your nut job hippies & we’re saddled with the CCCP.

    Same race….different handicaps.

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  42. Ed Snack (1,801 comments) says:

    I thought that the Chemtrail chemicals were established as the reason that the WTC buildings burnt like they did. As everyone (all the 9/11 truthers that is) know that jet fuel doesn’t get hot enough to melt steel, there must be something else on those planes that burns really hot, and who knows what’s really in those chemtrail compounds they all carry, right ? Case closed. (h/t XKCD)

    One of the prime requirements for sensible commenting should be to actually see the interview (in this case) for oneself and not rely on reportage about the interview. When you watch it you will see that iMP has called it, this whole “chemtrail” is an utterly dishonest beatup of his response, and what’s wrong with admiring sarah Palin’s stint as Governor of Alaska, she was a far more skilful, intelligent, and competent executive than the current President of the US has shown himself to be. More honest too but that’s such a low hurdle that I don’t think anyone could take any pride in being rated as “more honest than Barack Obama”.

    However, far too many of his ideas are just a naive form of catch all populism, I wouldn’t rate him as a serious political contender except for the fact that all other contenders on the “right” (and Craig is not of the right as such at all) have imploded or otherwise steered themselves into oblivion. When the choice comes down to voting for either far left nutters (Greens), racists (Mana, Maori), Socialists of various stripes (Labour, National), or personality cult low info nationalists (NZ First), who does a voter turn to ? ACT is probably dead, killed by its board of faceless fools, United (hahahah), who else provides sensible policies ?

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  43. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Scott (1,524) Says:
    November 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am
    Unfortunately we are going to find it hard to actually get Colin Craig’s views from the media. They have decided they don’t like him and so they won’t report him honestly.

    Yeah, everybody’s picking on your Guy – and giving the rest an easy time?

    They do it to all the Pollies – the media decides what we hear and for those stupid enough, what they should think.

    Get over it sunshine – He’s a fruit loop – fortunately there are enough sane NZers left to recognise that. The only place he’s going is straight in to the fruit salad – where I’m sure you will be waiting to join him.

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  44. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    @Ed Snack. Hit the nail on the head, I’m afraid. I’ll be voting for a man who goes where the wind blows.

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  45. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (1,979) Says:
    November 28th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    You’re going to vote for someone that’s a planetary spinner?

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  46. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The minion doing his worst to prop the sinking UnitedFuture. That’s subservience for all of you.

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  47. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    @Judith. Steady on old girl, we all have our foibles. Or should that be bain farts? :) :) :)

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  48. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    No, Judith, I’ll be voting for the Pin-Up-Prime Minister.

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  49. Jack5 (4,905 comments) says:

    Pete George and Judith are right to be worried about Craig.

    Possum Pete Dunne and Yul Grinner (W. Peters) are goners.

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  50. Bovver (151 comments) says:

    “There’s some obvious differences [between me and Ms Palin], but I really admire her,” says Mr Craig.

    So much fail in this observation, unless Colin means the difference between them is he’s a man and she’s a women, the lady is certifiably bat shit crazy

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  51. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    Massive BRICK BAT to Brook Sabin and TV3 who let us all down last night.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/brick-bat-tv3-manipulative-political-stupidity/

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  52. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    Not that Colin Craig believes the vapor trail conspirarcy theories, he just doesn’t know and has no policy on it (that is TV3′s preserve).

    But how about this (we also know the American Govt has done this, including with mosquito/malaria bombs over California)…

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘“Have you considered voting National ?”

    Why would I vote for a socialist party Alan?’

    I remember Jenny Shipley inviting Labour to unite with National when Helen Clark was leader of the opposition.

    Helen, tasting victory on her taste buds declined. History proved she was right.

    I have a feeling J Key has now joined Labour. Fascinating turning of tables.

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  54. Jack5 (4,905 comments) says:

    Scott at 9.01 has a point about scrutiny of Craig’s odd beliefs.

    The MSM scoff while publishing astrology columns forecasting the outlook for readers, and selectively target public figures’ beliefs. They happily accept cash for advertising Easter, Christmas, and Black Friday sales while becoming ever more sceptical about the beliefs underlying these dates.

    Do ethnic-Maori members of Parliament believe in taniwha? Will the MSM poll them? Yeah, right.

    The MSM can be snide about Christian beliefs, but they carefully avoid questioning traditional Maori belief that spirits, on the death of bodies they had animated, depart for the “next world” from Te Reinga, near North Cape. Many present-day New Zealanders are superstitious about this. It’s likely some Mps believe in this.

    When Pansy Wong was still in favour, was she asked whether she believed in feng shui? Does Labour’s Raymond Huo believe even a little in Chinese astrology and try to avoid numbers traditionally unlucky in China?

    It’s not only born-again Christians who have odd beliefs.

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  55. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    I admire Sarah Palin too:

    Because she is a true conservative woman who stands up to those who wreck her country!

    It’s pretty simple really – she cares about herself, others, and most importantly – children – the next generation!

    She stands for freedom and liberty!

    Do Paula Bennet and Judith Collins stand up to those who want to wreck NZ society? – LOL – they’re progs too! :cool:

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  56. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Do Paula Bennet and Judith Collins stand up to those who want to wreck NZ society? – LOL – they’re progs too! ‘

    You’re on a roll today Harriet

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  57. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    Do Paula Bennet and Judith Collins stand up to those who want to wreck NZ society?

    Says an emigre living on the Gold Coast.

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  58. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    Harriut:

    Wow, I refer to tinfoil hats and out she pops. Actually, given her Tea Party faction involvement, Palin is doing her level best to wreck the Republican Party. Or haven’t you heard about the Tea Party factional targeting directed against moderate and non-factional Republicans who tried to find a compromise against the government shutdown in October. Which failed, and which resulted in a situation where the Republican opinion poll voter share has been slashed to twenty-five to twenty eight points. Either Colin Craig is really that much of a babe in the woods, or he is signalling his actual ambivalence toward the Nats.

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  59. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “….Palin is doing her level best to wreck the Republican Party….”

    Stop kidding yourself Shoodygayguy:

    There is a huge difference between wrecking and reforming!

    “….Either Colin Craig is really that much of a babe in the woods, or he is signalling his actual ambivalence toward the Nats….”

    Getting 5% is easy – you just get 10% of 50% – Nationals share of the vote:

    ACT had a best total of 8% – all the liberals from National!

    That means that the conservatives can take 10%+ from National as they are mostly conservative minded!

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  60. wiseowl (832 comments) says:

    Jack5.
    All National MP’s believe in Tanifars.
    Must do.

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “That means that the conservatives can take 10%+ from National as they are mostly conservative minded!’

    They’d have to have a whopping more electorate then East Coast Bays !

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘All National MP’s believe in Tanifars.
    Must do.’

    Noper. Just takNATfar

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  63. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    Did Craig actually know what chem trails were when he answered?

    Cause Dime had never heard of em.

    Don’t get me wrong, a 30 second google fixes that but still..

    Dungs line of the conservatives being “nutty” is getting old too. I guess by using the word NUTTY he is trying to suck up to that poor girl he stalked. She described colin as nutty too.

    Personally, i think that a guy who has the looks and personality (lack of) of dung chasing a girl so young is nutty. A shit show in hell is what he had.

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  64. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    Do we know where Craig stands on taking away freedom of speech?

    Cause we know united were all over that until the very last minute

    thats just NUTTY

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  65. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    Was the Car Park tax NUTTY?

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  66. EAD (834 comments) says:

    This Jadis person sounds like a person I’d really like to know. A philosopher extraordinaire, probably someone who works 60+ hours per week running a business providing a livelihood for others and enabling families to put dinner on the tables for their loved ones?

    Or is he/she one of those people with all sorts of sensible beliefs, you know ones like:
    – An innocuous trace gas is going to cause runaway global warming and to solve the problem and control temperatures around the world Governments must increase taxes on all forms of economic activity. Sorry that should be “climate change” as climates have been perfectly stable for centuries until man started burning fossil fuels. The medieval warm period and several ice ages were statistical blips.
    – The government should be involved in defining the status of all relationships, even those with 1000′s of years of tradition. All that collected wisdom of our ancestors – complete stupidity.
    – The sole role of government is not to uphold the rule of law, but to monitor our speech, enforce “equality”, spy on us, and change the culture of the country to it’s approval. A country you see is not based on shared heritage or language but on “diversity” as all successful societies throughout time have been based on sharing nothing in common with those around you.
    – The government spending more money than it takes in taxes and running up unpayable deficits is a good thing and the only way to get “growth” because it will lead to prosperity, not ruin.

    If you disagree with any of this, you must be a bigot, fascist, racist, nazi, sexist, selfish, small minded or possibly a “denier”

    That Colin Craig sure sounds wacky

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  67. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    And as for chemtrails, here… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

    Harriut: Shrill today, aren’t we? Does it have anything to do with the plummet in support for the LibNat Coalition over in banana-bender-land given the kickbacks scandal, the Indonesia telecom surveillance fiasco and the fact that normal Australians may not like carbon taxes but do believe in the existence of global warning? Just read the US media or google it, imbecile.

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  68. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘– The sole role of government is not to uphold the rule of law, but to monitor our speech, enforce “equality”, spy on us, and change the culture of the country to it’s approval. ‘

    Exactly what I’ve seen from both sides of the house in my time.

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  69. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “……the Indonesia telecom surveillance fiasco….”

    Hardly…………Indonesia got busted doing it to Australia in 2003!!!!!!!!

    The rest is just MSM[labour hacks] ‘opinion’.

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  70. Alan (1,082 comments) says:

    @ Big Bruv

    “Why would I vote for a socialist party Alan?”

    Well, your first question was how do you keep them in power ? Can you spot a contradiction in your position ?

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  71. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Was the Car Park tax NUTTY?’

    Sounds like APRA to me – double dipping

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  72. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Interesting that a lot of people have clearly fallen hook line and sinker for the propaganda equivalent of ‘have you stopped beating your wife’ through their endless fascination with chemtrails, which apparently Craig doesn’t even have an opinion on.

    And yet this is the thing that sticks in their tiny minds and will be resurrected forever after whenever their tiny mind recalls the Conservative party into their consciousness. Which is precisely why the lefty propagandists at TV3 inserted it into their tiny minds in the first place.

    Such people, if they want to become good at reality, need to learn when they’re being played like a violin, because it’s easy not to be, all you need to do is recognise propaganda when it’s being delivered. Of course you have to want to recognise it in the first place, and since most people with tiny minds like to hallucinate they’re rather clever and can’t be fooled by such transparent childish techniques, not too many of those above will bother, I’m picking. But for the one or two above who may wish to learn about reality as opposed to fantasy, this may help.

    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/a-citizens-guide-to-understanding-corporate-media-propaganda-techniques/

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  73. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    Hurriut:
    Hardly, and we’ve noticed it too. Do I hear the distant sound of Malcolm Turnbull grinning and sharpening his knife in preparation.

    qv Greg Ansley: “Abbott honeymoon was over before it began” New Zealand Herald: 26.11.2013: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id&objectid=11162674

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  74. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    The Conservative Party have release the following on Facebook showing how the media have twisted and made shit up about the chem trails issue.

    “I’ts sad that the media have so much power to say what they will and twist their own fabrications to make people believe it’s truth! This is a well balanced article published in today’s Herald which is refreshing after yesterday’s debacle. What did Colin Craig actually say about vapour trails when specifically asked by TV3? “I don’t really have an opinion on things I don’t know anything about”. You all know how that was twisted for a ‘story’!!! The media then asked him whether he admired Sarah Palin – his answer “I admire Sarah Palin for taking on the oil companies and winning. That might be something we could do here in NZ at the moment”. Media have a lot to answer for. It is them that are crazy and are taking our country down!”

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  75. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    No one voted for Gillard – and no one voted for Turnball either. It’ll never happen.

    Abbott is intellectualy superior to Turnball.

    Turnball is just like Key – both are ecomonicly sensable – but both sell out their Parties and their voters for the center left vote[he supports gay marriage] – he is just another Key, anything goes socially, and if there are problems socially, then we will just throw money at the poorest to ‘help them’ – and Australian society doesn’t need that!

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  76. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    I think Paulus @ 8.21 and Kea 2 8.30 have got it right. We have this wacky MMP voting system. This requires us to look at the small parties to ensure our first choice party gets into Govt. That small party will never have a set of policies that we all agree on. Some of those policies we’ll probably dislike intensely BUT to ensure we get the Govt. main party we want we have to accept one or more smaller parties is in the fold. That is the nature of the MMP beast.
    What is happening with Colin Craig is the lefty, biased MSM are getting worried that National potentially have a viable partner, which up until now they were trumpeting that they didn’t have any partners to get them across the line. So out come the smearing campaigns.

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  77. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    Exactly. Sorry, Hurriut. Wait several months and see the Turnbull party room coup happen if the polls continue their rapid nosedive.

    And hello? Remember Rachel McGregor? She’s supposed to be the Con Party’s spin doctor/media manager. So don’t tell me that the Cons aren’t into the dark arts of spinmeistery themselves, otherwise why would they be futilely trying to convince the rest of us that They’re Not Fundies (which they are).

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  78. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    Ross12

    National only need a partner because a few cry babies who had their delicate wee sensibilities hurt by nasty things like gay marriage have decided to abandon the one party that can give NZ good government & sane economic management.

    The MSM are socialist garbage but they are not going to ignore the blood in the water provided by the moralistic fools who know better than ourselves how we should live our lives.

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  79. Than (440 comments) says:

    The chemtrails thing shows Colin Craig’s political naivety. Yes it’s a media-beat up. But it’s also an utterly predictable one somebody with any political sense could have stopped before it began. Craig was (presumably) trying to appear open minded and reasonable, but instead he came off as a conspiracy theorist.

    Yet more evidence of the risk National would be taking if they made an arrangement with the Conservatives.

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  80. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “….Conservatives….They’re Not Fundies (which they are)….”

    So what’s the problem with that?

    In the absence of the Conservatives…….National and Labour ect never had a problem with the ‘fundies’ voting for them!

    But now they both suddenly do have a problem with a ‘fundi party’ ? – it now looks more like a case of ‘ignoring a voting MINORITY’ within National and Labour for 3 whole decades!!!!!!

    And John Key came out at the start of the gay marriage debate with ‘we believe in ‘equality’ and ‘supporting minorities’.

    Well fuck him…….’some farmyard animals are more equal than others’ – to quote Orwell!

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  81. KevOB (265 comments) says:

    Global warming alarmism has gone too far. We need to follow the Australian example. If Craig is going to help that he’s probably worth voting for. Have a look at this from the Astronaut Walter Cunningham:

    See also revfelicity.org for more.

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  82. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dennis Horne (1,982) Says:

    November 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am
    @Kea. Do you think we can double the CO2 and it have no effect on the climate? Why?

    1. I never made such a claim, but I will attempt to answer your question.

    2. Man can not “double the CO2″ as man contributes only a small proportion of the worlds CO2. We could not double it even if we tried.

    3. I do not dispute that mans activities effect climate. The debate is about the extent of the effect. I believe our effect is lost amongst natural variations.

    Do you think taxing prosperous white people [like dentists] and giving the money to poor brown people, will effect the climate and if so, why ? ;)

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  83. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    And this exclusive in as tonights lead for TV3 Inc of Liberal Driveldom…

    “Colin Craig was not spoken to today, but if he was, we’d have asked him if he believed in the Tooth faerie. He did not deny this when he didn’t speak with our reporter today, so therefore must be crazy.”

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  84. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    TV3 had more trivial crappy coverage of the by-election again tonight. Nothing about any of the candidates.

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  85. Dennis Horne (2,224 comments) says:

    Kea (9,001) Says: November 28th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Dennis Horne (1,982) Says: @Kea. Do you think we can double the CO2 and it have no effect on the climate? Why?

    1. I never made such a claim, but I will attempt to answer your question.
    2. Man can not “double the CO2″ as man contributes only a small proportion of the worlds CO2. We could not double it even if we tried.
    3. I do not dispute that mans activities effect climate. The debate is about the extent of the effect. I believe our effect is lost amongst natural variations.
    Do you think taxing prosperous white people [like dentists] and giving the money to poor brown people, will effect the climate and if so, why ? ;)

    1. It was a question, not an accusation.
    2. Your answer is nonsense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere
    3. You say man’s activities affect the climate; you don’t actually know how much but you feel comfortable asserting it’s lost amongst natural variations – how do you know?
    4. The tax affects the “climate” for me, I turn the heater off to save money. :)

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  86. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    9 / 11 :

    Let’s get some old 737s and some buildings and fly the fucking things into them.

    To see what happens.

    It’s not exactly an easily repeatable experiment, and it had never happened before.

    (I’d like to see some of the pricks on here standing on the above or below floors and then tell us all that it’s not really that hot and wouldn’t melt steel).

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  87. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Ken Ring – game over.

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