General Debate 24 November 2013

November 24th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    TPP – something for the Greens to test themselves against
    For instance if a country refuses to grow GMO crops, rather than respecting that nation’s sovereignty, biotech giants can sue the country for cutting into their profits and international tribunals could impose economic sanctions on that country until GMO bans are lifted.
    – FAST TRACK TO FASCISM – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1AJN1_Wu4o#t=295

    If the USA is becoming rather concerned about the TPP, what the fuck will it do for little players like New Zealand?

    The upcoming “people’s initiated but politically pushed” Referendum will be a resounding ‘NO” vote against this National policy, but will in fact show a vast number of people still voted National, sacrificing their wish against partial asset sales because they had a much greater wish to not see such a leaderless fucking useless Labour Party in power.
    That’s Labour, who since the Election have changed their ‘leader’ twice and with Green help sabotaged the price that lawful asset sales could achieve for taxpayers, then with the appointment of Cunliffe announced “This is the first day of the 2014 Election Campaign.” Nothing here about acting as the fucking Opposition they were voted to be.

    So see if the Greens can be any better.
    Monsanto intends to outlaw GMO labeling worldwide through the TPP. And it may be law before the Greens can even think about perverting a “people’s initiated but politically pushed” referendum on the issue.

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  2. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Shock, Horror! Someone isn’t happy being forced to supplicate themselves at the feet of the All Black’s while they do their throat slitting, googly eyed, embarrassment of a ‘haka’…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9435874/Ireland-prop-gives-All-Blacks-haka-motivation

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  3. nasska (9,484 comments) says:

    Finding out more about “Obamacare” is simple. For an application form go to the attached link & hit the Green “Apply Now” button:

    Ref: http://rexharrisonshat.com/healthcare/

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  4. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    CYFS bungles number of child abuse cases as the numbers have been under reported by 8 % since 2011

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11161910

    Whatever happened to Sue Bradford’s bill? I was expecting dramatic changes by now (not)

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  5. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    Has Len Brown resigned yet?

    Has Penny Bright paid her rates yet?

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  6. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    longknives

    How dare that Irish bastard make such a racist statement. He is also telling blatant lies.

    The entire world loves the Haka, anybody who has watched the game or understands the history of it knows that they opposition are not allowed to do anything other than stand there and watch as the team in black poke their tongues out and stamp their feet.

    But rest assured, the NZ media led by that inspirational hack Marc Hinton will remind all Kiwis that the Irish have done us a grave injustice, how dare the Irish make such a racist statement, how dare he question the worlds love affair with the culture of the Maori.

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  7. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Matt McCarten has ranked MPs by how they get elected.

    - The MPs who win marginal seats rank highest in status
    - Followed by the other electorate MPs
    - List MPs from the Greens and NZ First, which got over the 5 per cent threshold, deserve their legitimacy.
    - But list MPs from the two main parties are just voting fodder.
    - And list MPs who should have won an electorate seat but didn’t have an unspoken pariah status for letting the team down.
    - Maybe the lowest rated are the small-party MPs gifted their seats by National in the hope they’d bring at least one other MP, but who then didn’t deliver. Their self-important strutting irritates everybody.

    That seems to be based on annoyance at current coalition arrangements. I can’t recall him complaining about Anderton’s arrangement with Labour. McCarten’s Mana Party is currently trying to reach an arrangement with the Maori party, and I doubt he would complain if Labour helped Harawira retain his electorate.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11161874

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  8. mandk (684 comments) says:

    Both Stuff and the NZHerald are telling us that 700+ people turned out at Raglan yesterday for an anti-oil protest, when it was obvious from the news footage that the number wasn’t much more than 100. Lazy journalists repeating any stupid numbers they are given.
    Mind you, there must have been at least 25,000 at the last Phoenix game I went to.

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  9. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Mandk
    Hardly a surprise “journalists” can’t add. After all they can’t spell or tell the truth either!

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  10. Reid (15,510 comments) says:

    Both Stuff and the NZHerald are telling us that 700+ people turned out at Raglan yesterday for an anti-oil protest

    Did they include the fact that both the protest and the news of it was brought to the reader courtesy of the oil industry, without which neither could have happened, or did they think that wasn’t one of the relevant facts?

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  11. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    The Sunday Herald Sunday isn’t kind to Colin Craig – Editorial: Back-room deals aren’t the way.

    Craig is a man who doesn’t believe in evolution, doesn’t accept anthro-pogenic climate change, and blames New Zealand’s woes on its “promiscuous young women”.

    This is a man who wants a seat in Parliament and the accompanying $147,800 salary but refuses to do an MP’s job and make informed, principled decisions. Instead, he would refer every major decision back to voters for them to decide in a referendum.

    Smacking? It’s up to the public to decide. Asset sales? Up to the public. Tax or spend? Too hard – leave it to the voters.

    It is this man, this limp, anaemic excuse for a leader, whom John Key is grooming as his new coalition partner. Key is desperate to find anyone to take the place of the foundering Act, United Future and Maori parties – but really?

    Colin Craig has many things going for him. He is a nice fellow. He has a boyish enthusiasm. A loving family. A lot of money. What he lacks is street smarts. He would be eaten alive in Parliament. Ruthless MPs on either side of the House would chew him up and spit him out, leaving the bloggers and tweeters to bicker over the soggy, half-masticated scraps.

    If Colin Craig is the answer to John Key’s problem, then National is in trouble. Whenever Craig speaks, he makes a gaffe – and that’s even before he is properly tested in the heat of an election campaign or in Parliament.

    Key shared cups of tea with successive Act leaders to help get them elected to Parliament. His predecessor Jenny Shipley invited Mana Wahine MP Alamein Kopu for cups of tea to retain her critical vote in Parliament.

    But it would take something stronger than tea to turn Craig’s Conservative Party into a viable governing partner.

    Key should be down on his knees, thanking the Lord for saving him from the humiliation of having to rely on the Conservatives.

    Now, John Key has a God-given chance. He lost face with the cuppagate debacle in Epsom last election, and in the attempt to gerrymander Upper Harbour this time. He can gain back that self-respect. If he wants a third term as Prime Minister, he should not rely on back-room deals and electoral loopholes. He must win fair and square. He must lead a Government that people want to vote for.

    It may be that Bennett’s move on Upper Harbour – and she pointedly said it sanctioned by Key and National – is a warning to Craig to not get his hopes up too much for an easy political accommodation. Expect more assessment by National of the pros and cons of getting close to Craig.

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  12. Samuel Smith (266 comments) says:

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  13. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Samuel Smith – that implies all shipping should be banned. Our coast is at greater risk from Rena type disasters than off-shore drilling disasters.

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  14. Samuel Smith (266 comments) says:

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  15. peterwn (2,933 comments) says:

    like the way that newspaper editors and journalists (and Whale for that matter) pontificate on such issues as if John Key and National leadership are dumb and ignorant. If the push comes to the shove it will be John who has Colin over a barrel, not the other way round. Colin like the Greens and Mana have nowhere else to move. John has plenty of time to decide whether Colin can indeed gain sufficient support and what effect this could have on National – ie driving voters to the left or abstaining. John could well tell Colin and Winston at the appropriate time where to stick it.

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  16. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    peterwn – yes. Craig will have had his hopes raised by media promoting him as a prime playmaker but he is very dependent on what a very experienced and pragmatic Key decides, and Key has a record of keeping multiple options open. The last thing Key will want is to be solely dependant on a naive novice backed a bunch of religious idealists.

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  17. Samuel Smith (266 comments) says:

    Of course Key will offer Craig Upper Harbour.

    He’s a dealer who wants a third term.

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  18. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Craig is a man who doesn’t believe in evolution, doesn’t accept anthro-pogenic climate change, and blames New Zealand’s woes on its “promiscuous young women”.

    Thing about Craig is that he seems quite intelligent. So I suspect he may be a pathological liar.

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  19. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    McCarten has no clue. He can’t even manage to misconstrue & mislead in a convincing manner.

    It’s the ego pecking order in Parliament that matters to MPs. The MPs who win marginal seats rank highest in status, followed by the other electorate MPs.

    He forgot the MPs that won with the biggest majorities. Theirs is the highest status.

    The electorate boundaries happened in other parts of the country of course but only in Auckland did it have any impact.

    Try telling that to Ruth Dyson.

    Or to Nicky Wagner. Or to David Clark. Or even to Trevor Mallard and Chris Hipkins, who have also seen their paper majorities eroded with the proposed changes.

    Bennett’s desertion from her old seat will certainly mean her last election’s opponent, Carmel Sepuloni, will romp home in the renamed Kelston seat.

    Waitakere will no longer exist – parts of it move to Kelston, parts to Upper Harbour. Kelston is not Waitakere renamed. It’s very difficult to see how you could desert a seat you don’t hold and have never contested.

    Poor Matt. He struggles even to be an effective plonker.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11161874

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  20. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Do you support oil drilling off NZ’s coast?

    Yes, definitely 53%
    No way 43%
    I’m not sure 4%

    Vote: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/cloud/polls/popup/2bf761b7-d018-3578-908f-768ef3d16a70/

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  21. wat dabney (3,429 comments) says:

    …and blames New Zealand’s woes on its “promiscuous young women”.

    That’s a little unfair.

    I believe he also attributes it to the decline in hat-wearing.

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  22. holysheet (192 comments) says:

    Hey big bruv

    Add one more daily question

    Has Len Brown resigned yet?

    Has Penny Bright paid her rates yet?

    Has Winstone First died yet?

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  23. iMP (2,149 comments) says:

    Labour’s by-election letterbox leaftlet in Chch East (#4). Oh look, its the “neutral Christchurch Mayor” Lianne Dalziel again not being party political.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/24/christchurch-east-by-election-leaflets-4-of-4/

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  24. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    holysheet – perhaps more appropriately –
    Has Winston payed the taxpayers money back yet?
    – if you must waste time with any of these questions.

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  25. MH (558 comments) says:

    Indeed,who shot JR,JFK and why did Mrs. Rabbit dose Peter with camomile tea?

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  26. lilman (658 comments) says:

    The oil industry is and has been good for New Zealand and Taranaki.

    Sam Smith ,what kind of car do ypu drive?
    Do you use a phone?
    Do you use a computer?
    Have you driven on a road?
    In you everyday life i can not think of one thing that has not directly or indirectly been enhanced by the oil industry.

    Sam ,you should change your name too TWODICKS ,because your to dumb just to be pulling one.

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  27. mandk (684 comments) says:

    @ Pete George,
    A good question to ask would be: “Do you think it is hypocritical to oppose oil exploration off New Zealand’s coast, yet still happily consume oil and a wide range of petrochemical products in your everyday life?”

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  28. Nukuleka (77 comments) says:

    “Craig is a man who doesn’t believe in evolution, doesn’t accept anthro-pogenic climate change, and blames New Zealand’s woes on its “promiscuous young women”.

    Well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

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  29. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    mandk – in the local body election one group was asking if we approved of having a plastic free city. I don’t think they thought that through very well, or if they did they want a ghost city.

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  30. freemark (324 comments) says:

    Isn’t that Samuel Smith a piece of shit – railing against oil exploration on his plastic computer, probably uses that dirty capitalist pig American designed Os & browser. Fuck off the aptly named SS I say.

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  31. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “Thing about Craig is that he seems quite intelligent. So I suspect he may be a pathological liar.”

    ..its not the fact that Colin’s against fudge packing that upsets you eh scrottchris??..

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  32. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Yes we’ve figured out that SS is the net result of two cousins who slept together..I wish he would go and play out on the road..

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  33. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    You know Obama is in trouble when even Forbes magazine is calling for his impeachment.

    Since President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, he has changed it five times. Most notably, he suspended the employer mandate last summer. This is widely known, but almost no one seems to have grasped its significance.

    The Constitution authorizes the President to propose and veto legislation. It does not authorize him to change existing laws. The changes Mr. Obama ordered in Obamacare, therefore, are unconstitutional. This means that he does not accept some of the limitations that the Constitution places on his actions. We cannot know at this point what limitations, if any, he does accept.

    By changing the law based solely on his wish, Mr. Obama acted on the principle that the President can rewrite laws and—since this is a principle—not just this law, but any law. After the crash of Obamacare, many Congressmen have implored the President to change the individual mandate the same way he had changed the employer mandate, that is, to violate the Constitution again.

    The main responsibility the Constitution assigns to the President is to faithfully execute the Laws. If the President rejects this job, if instead he decides he can change or ignore laws he does not like, then what?

    The time will come when Congress passes a law and the President ignores it. Or he may choose to enforce some parts and ignore others (as Mr. Obama is doing now). Or he may not wait for Congress and issue a decree (something Mr. Obama has done and has threatened to do again).

    Mr. Obama has not been shy about pointing out his path. He has repeatedly made clear that he intends to act on his own authority. “I have the power and I will use it in defense of the middle class,” he has said. “We’re going to do everything we can, wherever we can, with or without Congress.” There are a number of names for the system Mr. Obama envisions, but representative government is not one of them.

    If the President can ignore the laws passed by Congress, of what use is Congress? The President can do whatever he chooses. Congress can stand by and observe. Perhaps they might applaud or jeer. But in terms of political power, Congress will be irrelevant. Probably, it will become a kind of rubber-stamp or debating society. There are many such faux congresses in tyrannies throughout history and around the globe.

    [...]

    Mr. Obama is moving our government away from its traditional system of checks and balances and toward the one-man-rule that dominates third world countries. He has said that he wants a fair country—implying that, as it stands, the United States is not a fair country—an unprecedented calumny committed against a country by its own leader.

    [...]

    Those who currently hold political office, and who want to keep our system of government, need to act now. Surely, rejection of the Constitution is grounds for impeachment and charges should be filed. In addition, there are many other actions that Congressmen can and should take—actions that will tell Mr. Obama that we have seen where he is going and we will not let our country go without a fight.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/19/obamas-disdain-for-the-constitution-means-we-risk-losing-our-republic/

    Worth reading the whole thing which lists other offenses against the Constitution.

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  34. greybeard (46 comments) says:

    Is it true that Len Brown will be on the Auckland Chinese Association’s float for today’s Santa Parade ?

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  35. igm (851 comments) says:

    S Smith: For a bludger that does not work, you have a lot of opinions. You epitomise the fraudulent, leeching, foul left, and have no right to call anyone a piece of shit. Being a gutless leftie, you would not have the guts to face up to someone and qualify your abuse . . . just hide behind a keyboard where, believe me, you are not out of sight.

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  36. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Stop press: “Green replacement to burning fossil fuels”…..”Celia Wade supports Eco-Ferry” ! :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9426459/Criticism-over-Cook-Strait-biking-attempt

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  37. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI2onwqN9DA&list=HL1385251874

    RFID microchip scanners in Walmart from Obama care

    Maybe also TPP. Both unread before signing

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    anyone see the Herald cartoon on J Key yesterday?

    What are you doing to our country!

    absolutely!!

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  39. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Ireland prop gives All Blacks ‘haka’ motivation

    “I don’t draw inspiration from it. I think they are entitled to do it, it’s part of their history and I’m certainly not saying they shouldn’t.

    “But it’s just how I treat it myself.”

    Healy is clearly a provocative type as he also told reporters in Dublin that he doesn’t like to call this week’s opponents the All Blacks because he doesn’t believe in adding to the “myth” of the world’s No 1 team.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9435874/Ireland-prop-gives-All-Blacks-haka-motivation

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  40. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    “What are you doing to our country!”

    He’s fixing it and making it better. Only a moron captured by their ideology would think otherwise.
    The facts on our economy and wellbeing bear that out. Or are you a denier Wiki?

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  41. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    De Oirish may be dumb but if they have a clue they should bring out a team of dancing Leprechauns to give our speardancers a brown eye just as we we reach our eye-rolling, tongue-waggling climax!…… That I would love to see. :)

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  42. Reid (15,510 comments) says:

    We will make the West so corrupt it stinks.

    To further the advance of their ‘quiet’ cultural revolution – but giving us no ideas about their plans for the future – the School recommended (among other things):

    1. The creation of racism offences.
    2. Continual change to create confusion
    3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
    4. The undermining of schools and teachers’ authority
    5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
    6. The promotion of excessive drinking
    7. Emptying of churches
    8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
    9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
    10. Control and dumbing down of media
    11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family.

    One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud’s idea of ‘pansexualism’ – the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would

    * attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights primary educators of their children.

    * abolish differences in the education of boys and girls

    * abolish all forms of male dominance – hence the presence of women in the armed forces

    * declare women to be an ‘oppressed class’ and men as ‘oppressors’

    Munzenberg summed up the Frankfurt School’s long-term operation thus: ‘We will make the West so corrupt that it stinks’.

    Of course we look around our society and everyone can plainly see that nothing of the sort is happening, is it.

    http://www.cfnews.org.uk/PEP.htm#1

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  43. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Just got back from teh Akld Christmas Parade. Wonderful day and display.

    Just thinking a great Thunderbird float would be awesum

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  44. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Cyber war

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    ‘John could well tell Colin and Winston at the appropriate time where to stick it.’

    Colin and John are both pushing voters to Winston

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  46. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    hey wikiriwhis @ 3.30
    Do you speak English ?

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  47. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Immigration isn’t fueling New Zealand’s property bubble?

    This from the 22 November Wall Street Journal:

    Today, however, there are signs that the unspoken compact between the Chinese individual and the state, which has held since the Tiananmen Square tragedy, is starting to unravel. Under its terms, the state promises ever-rising living standards if the individual renounces politics. But now the economy is slowing, poisonous air chokes Chinese cities and food safety scandals cause public panic.
    These concerns, along with endemic official corruption—a sign throughout history of dynastic decline and collapse—have driven capital flight. Chinese buyers are bidding up prices on fancy real estate from Manhattan to Sydney. And the upper middle classes are scrambling for foreign passports.

    The link:

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304337404579210032460595174

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  48. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Course he does Beryl. He spelled “awesum” without an “O” ! :)

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  49. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And guess what Johnboy,

    poor old wikiriwetc would have no fukin idea what your 4.04 meant.

    He read it and said, Duuhhhhhh! Whaaaat?

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  50. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Bringing enlightenment to the stupid (even if it is via boxing) is what we missionarys do Beryl. :)

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  51. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    When we have a mission we talk about …….’aries.

    Lest we decend down to the likes of the wikiriwhis and girls of that ilk.

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  52. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “wikiriwhis business (2,230) Says:
    November 24th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    anyone see the Herald cartoon on J Key yesterday?

    What are you doing to our country!”

    Yes, that cartoonist is a hard-left nutbar, isnt he. And the Herald giving him a medium to present his propaganda, why would they do that? Oh. Wait…….

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  53. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And the weakest President of the USA in our lifetime since Carter
    announces his total loss v Iran as a possible victory

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-obama-statement-on-nuclear-deal-with-iran/2013/11/23/68ac2d28-54c0-11e3-9ee6-2580086d8254_story.html

    muslims all over the world laugh at just how piss weak the USA has become under Obama.

    Makes me wanna puke.

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  54. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Iran laughs and shits on the USA.

    Does anyone think that this is not running according to Barry Obamas overview ?

    Iran shits on the free world and Barry Obama declares a victory.

    Hello!

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  55. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    nickb

    That Mitchell Johnson is bloody hopeless.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/engine/match/592397.html

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  56. lilman (658 comments) says:

    LOL ,Iran must be pissing its self.America and the rest of the world will soon see the true Islam state when it reveals itself and it will be too late.

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  57. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    BB

    He has played great this match and has won Aus the game. MOM easily (I am cheering for Aus so am stoked).

    My point I was making is that he has been so inconsistent throughout his career. Surely you can’t argue with that. He has probably played in just over half of the tests Aus have played since his debut and was on the outer for ages because he got hammered and couldn’t take wickets when the ball wasn’t swinging (like James Anderson in the early years). Remember his 0/170 in the first test of the last Ashes in Aus?

    Whether he keeps up this effort for the rest of the series (especially on the Adelaide featherbed and if Trott et al sort out their technical deficiencies against the short ball) remains to be seen. Personally I hope he does because I am heading over to the MCG to watch and will be cheering for Aus :)

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  58. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    nickb

    “My point I was making is that he has been so inconsistent throughout his career. Surely you can’t argue with that.”

    I don’t and can’t argue with that. However, he rips it down at close to 150km, that is enough to have him selected in any team as far as I am concerned.

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  59. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    Texan oil exploration company Anadarko plans to start drilling off the Raglan coast as early as tomorrow morning.
    One of the six protest boats at the site continues to breach a 500-metre safety exclusion zone around the ship, but Anadarko will begin operations even if it stays there, which Bunny McDiarmid of Greenpeace believes is hypocritical.
    “They’re willing to break their own high standards apparently, the industry standard is not drilling with people in the non-interference zone,” she says. “If our government is going to pass laws and then ignore them, well, it just makes a mockery of the whole process.”
    Police say they will be monitoring the situation tomorrow along with other agencies, including Maritime New Zealand, but won’t reveal what actions they will take if the Vega remains in the exclusion zone.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Greenpeace-founder-critical-of-protests/tabid/1160/articleID/322640/Default.aspx#.UpGc5Rye6oU

    Apparently an industry standard is not to drill with people in the non-interference zone. So the presence of a vessel illegally within that zone is a potential danger.
    Given Cunliffe rantings about contingency plans for a spill – attacking the Government and the oil industry – where is his equal demands of proof that protest backers can foot costs of any disaster their presence may possibly cause?

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  60. Nostradamus (2,755 comments) says:

    Nickb:

    Yes, Johnson has had a good game, but I actually think Haddin deserves to be man of the match. He’s taken five catches as wicketkeeper, including a top-shelf catch to remove Cook off Lyon. He’s also scored 94 and 53 with the bat – and his 94 runs played a crucial part in digging Australia out of a massive first-innings hole.

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  61. Viking2 (10,702 comments) says:

    In the spirit of Xmas and giving and all those things I would like to share with you a warning about Xmas lighting.

    Don’t decorate your palm tree.

    http://screencast.com/t/iuKT6E1jJ

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  62. nasska (9,484 comments) says:

    Movies are so fake these days.

    I just sat and watched a film where a guy uses a laptop to access an alien space ship and not once did it ask him to perform Windows updates.

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  63. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    Nostradamus, you forget that Johnson enabled Haddin to score in both innings, taking any pressure off him while staying in with him and scoring significant runs himself.

    MoM, Johnson for me with Haddin and Warner (a good double at the top) unlucky.

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  64. Viking2 (10,702 comments) says:

    MILLION DOLLAR PMS

    Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd demand bigger perks for former Prime Ministers

    KEVIN RUDD $200,000 pension plus estimated $300,000-a-year office and travel costs

    JULIA GILLARD $200,000 pension plus estimated $300,000-a-year office and travel costs

    JOHN HOWARD $250,000 pension plus $300,000 a year in office and travel costs.

    PAUL KEATING $140,000-a-year office, travel, phone costs + pension

    BOB HAWKE $130,000-a-year in office, travel, phone costs + pension

    MALCOLM FRASER $220,000-a-year office, travel, phone + pension

    GOUGH WHITLAM $125,000-a-year office, travel, phone + pension*

    Source: Department of Finance documents.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/julia-gillard-and-kevin-rudd-demand-bigger-perks-for-former-prime-ministers/story-fnii5s41-1226766891140

    Clearly we can’t afford Labour Govt.’s

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  65. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    “where is his equal demands of proof that protest backers can foot costs of any disaster their presence may possibly cause?

    I love it when you shout boldly Yvette. :)

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  66. Viking2 (10,702 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi is getting on a flight when he hears from another passenger that the Pope is going to be on the flight.

    “WOW, great!” he thinks, being a devout Catholic, “What a great place to be today.”
    Just before the aircraft doors are closed, the Pope enters the plane, and to the guy’s delight, sits next to him. I am surely blessed the Don thinks. Here I am, a good Catholic on a flight, with the Pope sitting next to me. The plane takes off and after a few minutes the passengers take off their seat belts. Don looks sideways and sees the Pope reaching into his bag to take out a crossword book. Marvellous, he thinks, not only am I blessed with the Pope next to me but he does crosswords and so do I.

    He notices that the Pope is working his way through the puzzle, and that His Holiness is tapping his pencil, thinking. After a little while of pencil tapping, the Pope turns to him and says, “I usually don’t talk to anyone on flights, but I wonder if you can help me?”

    “Anything Your Holiness.. What is it?”
    “Do you know a four letter word that ends in ‘u-n-t’ that means something associated with women?”
    Don feels uncomfortable. But being a Kiwi builder thinks and thinks. Finally he says, “The only word I can think of is aunt.”

    The Pope looks at him and asks, “Do you have an eraser?”

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  67. Nostradamus (2,755 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman:

    Yes, after watching how Johnson mopped up the tail-enders, I’m inclined to agree.

    There seemed to be quite a bit of sledging going on – particularly between Bailey and Anderson, which prompted one of the umpires to intervene at one point – so I think we’re in for an interesting Ashes series!

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  68. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    Viking2

    :-)

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  69. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Fantastic Dr Who episode tonight.

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  70. skyblue (193 comments) says:

    Had to laugh at Andrew Dickens on ZB this morning. Moaning that he could not get tradies as they are busy and general anacdote that the economy is getting busy. I waited for his thanks to the government for leading NZ to a much better outlook, but no mention at all.
    12 months ago he was blaming the govt for our CRAP economy.
    Hop the holes in your house keep you cold and let the mozzies in.

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  71. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Will Israel swallow this rat? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-says-iran-deal-makes-world-more-dangerous/2013/11/24/e0e347de-54f9-11e3-bdbf-097ab2a3dc2b_story.html?clsrd

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