Hooton vs Willie and JT

November 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm by David Farrar

lets loose to Willie and JT about their previous shows on the . He gets thrown out.

Well done Matthew. Making excuses for the men involved on the basis of where they live or how the girls dressed is just wrong. The girls were 13. That is the end of it.

Matthew has Facebooked:

 I don’t want to be all moralistic about this, because I have behaved terribly from time to time.

But I have two daughters, aged 6 and 8. I hope not, but I expect that if they follow the example of their parents they will behave appallingly when they are teens. I expect they will dress in ways I find reprehensible, hang out with friends I disapprove of, and might get shamefully pissed at what was meant to be a wholesome 15th birthday party.

To some extent, this will be my fault for not being as a good a parent as I should be. 

However, when my 14 year-old girls do behave badly, I expect that any 17 year-old men nearby will, at worst, ignore them or, at best, look after them and get them home safely.

My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped.

That is the point.

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183 Responses to “Hooton vs Willie and JT”

  1. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

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  2. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    As I said in the other thread, this may just be cultural differences that some of us don’t understand.
    And as I said in another other thread, can we put a contraceptive in their water supply?

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  3. Roflcopter (424 comments) says:

    Kimbo… you’re just another dumb-fuck apologist.

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  4. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    They sounded like they were making excuses to me.

    As for risk minimisation – if you discuss this you get accused of blaming the victims. Thats not helpful either.

    Willie & JT sound like they think its fair game when a chick is passed out. Scared to think what they got up to in their youth.

    Finally, who wants to have sex with a passed out girl anyway? doesnt sound like fun. sounds sad and desperate. Then again, i think these roast busters loses used it as an excuse to get their cocks out in front of each other

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  5. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    Roflcopter – what part of “they weren’t making excuses” didn’t you understand?

    Then again, common sense tells me trying to reason with a mouth-frothing potty-mouth is a waste of time. I’ll leave you to stew in your own self-righteousness.

    One parting question: Your experience of dysfunctional West Auckland youth?

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  6. infused (636 comments) says:

    Link to the previous show? Kind of hard to get this in context without it.

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  7. Colville (2,079 comments) says:

    Kimbo.
    How is raping a passed out 13 yr old “risk minimisation” ?

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  8. Alan (1,062 comments) says:

    Key question; Was Clint Rickard convicted of sexually abusing 16 year old girls with his police batton whilst in his 30′s ?

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  9. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    Colville

    It isn’t.

    Now try again asking another question, this time without twisting the intent of my statement.

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  10. lazza (358 comments) says:

    Western Auckland lowlifes … as represented by two apologist mysoginist Creeps. The rest of us … as reprsented by MH.

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  11. Colville (2,079 comments) says:

    Kimbo.

    I have no idea what else you could have meant by your statement.

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  12. unaha-closp (1,112 comments) says:

    And all of Auckland is represented by Mayor Len Brown – massive age difference, abusing a position of power, use and disown.

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  13. Ed Snack (1,737 comments) says:

    Of course all the “girls” were 13 and all passed out. Nice framing David.

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  14. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    Kimbo, your statement is completely false. It is not accepted in West Auckland to deliberately get a female drunk and then multiple men/boys have sex with her.

    It never was, and certainly is NOT the current take either. I have a close friend that is a senior staff member at Kelston High – his pupils are outraged by this groups behaviour. They have had to bring in staff members to reduce vigilante threats from the pupils.

    No one is saying it doesn’t happen, but it is certainly never regarded as acceptable or even condoned by a large majority of their peers, and it is certainly only a very small majority of dysfunctional kids that do take part in this sort of thing.

    As far as Willie J etc are concerned – I think their position is obvious – they know damn well what they say is wrong and that they can’t support their argument, but hey, what better way to get ratings.

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  15. stever (22 comments) says:

    I’m glad Mathew took it to the lefty racists. Jt changed his tune a it after that and spent the rest of the show trying to change history ( just like all good lefties )
    I heard the original interview live and it didn’t sound like they were on the girls side . Jt implied that the girls were asking for it and these poor guys just had no choice . Well , news flash Jt everyone has a choice and everyone knows right from wrong . If they don’t know there’s these places that they get sent to called prisons .
    I’m sick and tired of people who have to negotiate and help the crims cause they’ve had hard lives or made bad decisions .
    Maybe we should start sex education in kindly , that should help . Oh yeah and condoms from year 1 or 2 at school .

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  16. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Well, this train has now finally arrived at Retardville.

    I now remember why I no longer care or worry about sex crimes.

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  17. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    Judith – where did you get the idea from my post

    1. I’m not outraged by the young men’s alleged behaviour?

    2. That I think that it is acceptable in West Auckland youth culture to rape young girls.

    Like I said, they weren’t making excuses…

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  18. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ Ed Snack (1,173) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    All of the four girls that have made complaints to the police were 13 years at the time.

    All were given alcohol prior to at least four (and I believe in one case up to six) males have sex with them.

    Two reported being urinated on. Do you seriously expect us to believe they consented to that?

    It is unbelievable that people like you continue to try and justify the behaviour of these young men and blame the younger females for the situation. Even if they signed a bloody consent form, it was still illegal.

    They aren’t men – or even decent males – they are pathetic excuses – and so are the people that defend them by blaming the girls they targeted

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  19. Gulag1917 (651 comments) says:

    Maori apologists who excuse every bit of bad behaviour. No wonder the Maori culture is imploding to the point of destruction.

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  20. Andrei (2,500 comments) says:

    Moral panic time – instead of discussing this rationally shout down anyone who doesn’t toe the PC line while distorting whatever the facts are and little of them are actually known.

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  21. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ Kimbo (219) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Because there is No Coal face. This is not typical teenage behaviour – in west auckland, south auckland or bloody Remuera.

    It doesn’t matter where Jackson and the brat might live, or work, these acts are not typical of normal teenage behaviour, i.e. they are not practiced by the majority of teenagers – to try and pass it off as being ‘part of the coal face of west auckland’ is pathetic.

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  22. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    Colville

    The world is full of nasty people who do nasty things in spite of the law, usual social norms, and hysterical witch-hunts to punish heretics.

    I don’t make the rules, I just report them, like Willie and JT.

    Nasty people who do nasty things should be punished.

    BUT, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Better for the intended victims of nasty people to take REASONABLE steps so they are less likely to end up the victims.

    I would suggest that perspective, in conjunction with maintaining the social standard that rape is NEVER acceptable, and NEVER invited is of more benefit to the safety of all.

    If not, you have the sort of self-indulgent white middle-class grand-standing Hooton engaged in, which I doubt had the young women of West Auckland’s best interests as the PRIMARY goal. Instead it was emotion for its own sake. No real sacrifice has, is, or will be made by Matthew Hooton for the good of these young girls.

    If you don’t agree – fine. However, I ask the question again – how many hours have Matthew Hooton and David Farrar sacrificed for the direct betterment of the dysfunctional sections of West Auckland youth?

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  23. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    However, when my 14 year-old girls do behave badly, I expect that any 17 year-old men nearby will, at worst, ignore them or, at best, look after them and get them home safely.

    My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped.

    Well said.

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  24. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    Judith

    What part of “dysfunctional” (i.e., a portion, not the whole of West Auckland) did you misunderstand?

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  25. Gulag1917 (651 comments) says:

    It is not the quantity of hours it is the quality of input that counts.

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  26. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ Kimbo

    It is NOT a West Auckland problem. This happens in other areas, however, it is not a normal adolescent behaviour, in that it is not practised by the majority of teenagers.

    All I see from you is veiled excuses – the victims should behave properly, not go where they aren’t meant to… blah blah blah

    I don’t see anything saying that the actions of the males was to blame, that they, even if they find a willing 13 year old on the street, should NOT give her booze, have sex with her and they should NOT boast about such actions – thus promoting the behaviour to other teenagers.

    There are only one set of people responsible for this and that is the young men involved. It is not the parents of the girls, because no doubt they weren’t aware of the where the girls were, it is not the girls, because they are just 13 and don’t yet understand the social rules regarding sexual behaviours, it is not the government, or the police or neo-liberal politics, or the Maori population or the west auckland environment. It is the young males involved who willingly decided to take part in a prolonged period of deviant and perverted sexual behaviour.

    To blame anyone else, to excuse it by sick social standards, the media, the internet, or even food colouring (as I saw someone do today) is pathetic, and minimises the seriousness of the acts involved. Those young men need to be accountable for the decisions they made – not spur of the moment decisions, but serious and prolonged behaviours that are completely, under any circumstances, unacceptable.

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  27. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    Well, it’s pretty rare for me to agree with Judith…but on this occasion…..

    Where does all this “dysfunctional” and “at risk youth” crap come from, when discussing the MALES’ behaviour? The people in this sad saga who are “at risk” are these poor girls, however they came to be around these arseholes…

    I do think though it is legitimate to ask how 13 year old girls (or 14 or 15…below the age of consent is below the age of consent) came to be in this position. That is NOT “victim blaming”….the problem with that and similar questions is the answers may be ones which PC lefties don’t much like viz. that the girls are from dysfunctional homes where Mum has a different “partner” every month, and Dad is long gone….Or worse yet, that Mum doesnt really give a FF about what the daughter does because it was normal in the environment she herself was dragged up in. And where “being on the bene” is seen as a perfectly legitimate way to live…forever.

    Those are all legitimate questions to ask, and they don’t involve “blaming the victim”….As Judith and others have pointed out, sex with 13 or 14 year old girl is illegal, even if a consent form has been signed…it gets exponentially worse if the girls are too drunk to give “consent”, and the younger they are when all this happens…

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  28. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Judith

    It is the young males involved who willingly decided to take part in a prolonged period of deviant and perverted sexual behaviour.

    In regard to the age of these girls (and irrespective of their age where they have not consented to this activity) – I agree.

    However in the context of consenting adults – there is nothing either perverted or deviant about this. Save your personal moral judgement for yourself and perhaps your own children please.

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  29. CuriousGeorge (25 comments) says:

    Kimbo: Jackson & Tamihere are essentially saying that kids from dysfunctional backgrounds can’t help themselves & this poses 2 problems:

    1) Where is the proof that these kids came from awful backgrounds? Obviously their parents sucked otherwise they wouldn’t have become rapists, but my guess is that they didn’t suck any more than all the so-called perfect white middle class parents whose kids turn out to be rapists.
    2) They assume, which Hooton disputed, that rape is a demographic issue. It is not. Girls & women from all walks of live have been & will continue to be raped.

    These 2 clowns need to be fired. Their conduct is appalling. There is only one response & one response only to this issue: minors cannot consent to sex therefore these boys are all rapists. And the fact that they have admitted to doing it online, have admitted to stupefying girls with alcohol & chloroform means there should be evidence enough to charge & prosecute them.

    Re “BUT, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Better for the intended victims of nasty people to take REASONABLE steps so they are less likely to end up the victims.”

    Yes I mostly agree. Let’s focus on ensuring these perpetrators are dealt with swiftly & severely, but let’s also start addressing the wider issues such as young girls going out unsupervised, the lack of understanding re what is sexual consent & the lack of good parenting.

    I have seen people promoting an overseas campaign – Don’t be THAT guy. Implementing this would at least be a good start.

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  30. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    The girls (and boys) may or may not be from ‘dysfunctional’ families, however you want to define what dysfunctional is. How many parents live with them is irrelevant.

    Teenagers are very adept and doing things they know their parents may not approve of. If they want to be cool and go to a party they may arrange to ‘sleep over’ with a friend who has parent/s who don’t care what they get up to. Or sneak out unnoticed.

    It’s legitimate for parents to ask their kids what they are up to, but that’s got nothing to do with this.

    This is about a minority of males who are sexual predators and who disrespect other people’. It’s especially bad when they are abusing girls significantly younger than themselves in the teenage age range.

    Whether some parents are slack or uncaring or not is a totally different issue and a diversion from the problem here.

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  31. CuriousGeorge (25 comments) says:

    And let’s keep the two issues separate: child rape vs poor/neglectful parenting.

    One deserves being prosecuted to the full extent of the law (& more) & the other is indicative of something really broken in our society.

    We can use this issue to discuss these wider problems, but nothing should detract from the trauma & severe emotional & potentially physical harm that has been inflicted on these girls by this group.

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  32. iMP (2,236 comments) says:

    Everyone take a chill pill, and then maybe we can hear what both sides are trying to say.

    A whole lot of cross-talking and shouting, and not much light.

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  33. Gulag1917 (651 comments) says:

    Maoris would provoke a lot less racism if they behaved better, Time to pull up their socks dramatically.

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  34. unaha-closp (1,112 comments) says:

    @Gulag1917 – go back to the standard

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  35. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    Curious George: Well said. I have a 12 year old daughter who, despite her being technically a child, is already stunning, and will become more so far more rapidly than I would like.

    I have discussed this issue with her, although naturally she wasnt very comfortable about it, since anything to do with sex – even “normal” common-or-garden reproductive sex is “yuck” for her. I have discussed it with her because she still has a rather childlike view of the world – everyone is basically OK….this disgusting stuff confirms my cynical view that sadly that is not the case …and for that matter it never was.

    Against that background, my daughter – to my great regret – is a product of what used to be called ” a broken home”. But her mother and I are on the same page on this, as with almost everything else. While she remains under either my or her mother’s roof I am 100% confident my daughther will never find herself around arsewipes like these guys…and if by some horrible mischance she did, she would be out of there like a scalded cat before the first arsewipe tried to get her to drink or otherwise ingest some intoxicant. I am as confident of all of that as it is possible to be.

    PG: May I ask if you are a parent? Or have been in the last ten years or so?

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  36. Simon (685 comments) says:

    Kimbo you are nothing but a pompous arse. It not a West Auckland issue that only those with a nuanced understanding of the culture of West Auckland youth can dare comment. It is about common human decency.

    Like those two clowns on the radio you can offer no insights because like them you are plainly confused with issues of race and class.

    Talking about West Auckland again will only confirm that you are fool.

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  37. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    A 13 year old girl. Doesn’t matter if she “wants it”. Doesn’t matter if she’s drunk. Doesn’t matter what she is wearing. That’s all irrelevant.

    She’s 13.

    The age for legal sex is 16, isn’t it?

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  38. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    Good shit.

    Jail the rapists.

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  39. CuriousGeorge (25 comments) says:

    I have read through some of the comments & looked back through what information has been relayed to us via MSM & I am surprised that anyone with 1/2 a brain can ignore how obviously disturbing & predatory these boys are:

    “One of the alleged Roast Busters, Beraiah Hales, 17, is in hiding and has ignored requests for comment.

    But he left an enormous social media footprint, including a profile on one website in which he answered thousands of anonymous questions, many of a sexual nature.

    ”how would u get a girl? into bed [sic]” asked one person four months ago.

    ”Chloroform” Hales responded.

    ”What is a saying you say a lot?” he was asked seven months ago.

    ”Go ahead, Call the cops, [sic]” Hales replied. ”They can’t un-rape you.”

    Nineteen of his friends ”liked” that chilling statement – girls as well as boys.

    In response to a question about whether he was committing statutory rape, Hales wrote, ”It’s not rape,. I had sex with one girl who is 13 when i was 16.. She wanted it and thats all that matters [sic].”

    Like Hooton said, our daughters should have the right to be rebellious & not get raped because of it.

    I am not sure why this is so difficult for so many to comprehend. Not only is a minor unable to give consent, but rape is NEVER the victim’s fault.

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  40. Auberon (869 comments) says:

    Go Matthew – it needed to be said.

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  41. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    “My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped.”

    That would be fine and dandy if the world wasn’t full of perverts and predators.

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  42. Gulag1917 (651 comments) says:

    If Willie and JT had any courage and concern for their race they would not shoot the messenger Willie and JT know the truth but deny it.

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  43. unaha-closp (1,112 comments) says:

    A 13 year old girl. Doesn’t matter if she “wants it”. Doesn’t matter if she’s drunk. Doesn’t matter what she is wearing. That’s all irrelevant.

    She’s 13.

    There is a grey area if the other person is under 16 also.

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  44. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    Hooton says:

    However, when my 14 year-old girls do behave badly, I expect that any 17 year-old men nearby will, at worst, ignore them or, at best, look after them and get them home safely.

    My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped.

    Well not letting them hang out with Maoris seems to be the best preventative action. Some may call that racist, but I’d wear that label over letting my daughter get raped any day.

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  45. wf (373 comments) says:

    Tamahere and his mate are self adoring pigs. They once spent a whole afternoon dissing a woman, calling her “a dirty girl” and making coarse jokes about her. They didn’t mention her name, but she was in the news at the time.

    She committed suicide 3 days later.

    Doesn’t sound as though they have improved in the years since.

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  46. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    There is a grey area if the other person is under 16 also.

    Didn’t he say he was 16?

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  47. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    Notice that Jackson (a man with an IQ well south of 100) reverted to type by becoming aggressive when confronted by the truth.

    I am not sure if this is because he is thick, or because of his thuggish union background or because he is part Maori, perhaps it is a combination of all three.

    One thing is true, had these two been rabid right wingers the entire media would have rounded on them demanding that they be removed from the air, one can only hope that this is the end of Jackson and Tamahere as all they do is provide a platform for left wing bullshit each day.

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  48. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    I may have missed something here (I dont watch broadcast TV) but everyone commenting seems to assume these assholes are Maori…is that the case? All of them?

    Sadly if all or most of them are, it makes “Willie and JT’s” reaction to Hooton that much worse…

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  49. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    And let’s keep the two issues separate: child rape vs poor/neglectful parenting.

    One deserves being prosecuted to the full extent of the law (& more) & the other is indicative of something really broken in our society.

    Yes something is really broken in society. It’s interesting the number of people here who are outraged yet who willingly contributed to the degradation by vociferously supporting the latest plank in the long term plan to degrade society, gay marriage.

    Of course none of those people would see any linkage whatsoever between that and this. Here’s something that may help but probably won’t. Benjamin Disraeli 1870 in his novel Lothair:

    The foundation of the Christian family is the sacrament of matrimony, the spring of all domestic and public morals. The anti-Christian societies [forces] are opposed to the principle of home. When they have destroyed the hearth, the morality of society will perish.

    Here’s another from Karl Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy:

    It is not the consciousness of men [people] that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.

    Despite what someone said above about how Kelston High pupils are outraged by this, it’s the height of naivety to imagine the mindset in these young men is an isolated instance, a mere aberration. These guys are simply acting out what they’ve seen online hundreds if not thousands of times and both boys and girls have been saturated by this degrading force. They represent part of the price we pay for permitting society to become saturated with the attitudes and the values we now have, where money rules, where sex happens at Intermediate, where brothels proliferate in the burbs, and on and on and on and on.

    If you want to stop this from happening again and again and again, I suggest you ask the politicians to block online porn and start inculcating values into your children that reflect something other than the almighty dollar. Of course that’s a bit hard to do if you only see your kids once a month while the ex has live-in partner after live-in partner taking care of them.

    But that’s just part of the design, you see. Travistock will be full of glee as they read about this latest evidence that the plan is taking effect. After all, NZ is a test market isn’t it.

    And if you think what I just said above isn’t planned it just happens, then educate yourself about social engineering because you’re being played like a violin and you don’t even know it.

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  50. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    @CuriousGeorge

    “but rape is NEVER the victim’s fault.”

    That of course is true by definition.

    The problem is how the definition of rape has changed in my view too far.

    There is a big difference if a guy plies a woman with drinks or if they are both half pissed when they meet. IMHO

    The way the law now works as far as I know is you can be having sex and a woman say stop or get off and if you are too slow that is rape.

    In other word a married man if bonking his wife and a almost on the gravy stroke and he say “Bevan” in the heat of the moment and she said get off and he is slow to respond he could be considered guilty of rape.

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  51. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    Could it be this radio incident was just a stunt?

    Is Hooton a PR for hire, or have I got it wrong about him?

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  52. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Business directory Yellow confirmed this afternoon it had pulled its advertising from RadioLive after being contacted by Wellington blogger Giovanni Tiso.

    Nah YP are going broke so any excuse will do.

    No one wants their failing product anymore.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9374848/Yellow-RadioLive-boycott-after-show

    Amy was asked “how free and easy are you kids these days?” when she told Jackson and Tamihere she had attended parties the teenagers involved in Roast Busters were at. She said she often saw them, sober, providing drinks to girls as young as 13.

    Well lie with dogs and ta get their flea’s.

    It would seem they were not all innocent littlies.

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  53. Keeping Stock (10,099 comments) says:

    Jackson and Tamihere are toast. ANZ Bank has joined Yellow Pages Group in pulling all RadioLive advertising. They could always ask Paul Henry what the next step is when advertisers start bailing, and management looks at a declining bottom line.

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  54. stever (22 comments) says:

    Why have they taken down Matthew hootons post on Facebook.

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  55. Paul Williams (876 comments) says:

    However, when my 14 year-old girls do behave badly, I expect that any 17 year-old men nearby will, at worst, ignore them or, at best, look after them and get them home safely.

    Very well said indeed. Jackson and Tamihere have shown appalling poor judgment and it’s good that Matthew’s call them on it (as have many others I know).

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  56. Kimbo (670 comments) says:

    The “dysfunctional” matter I am primarily dealing with is young women so emotionally pliable and starved of attention they are drawn into the orbit of these alleged predators.

    Matthew Hooton says, “However, when my 14 year-old girls do behave badly, I expect that any 17 year-old men nearby will, at worst, ignore them or, at best, look after them and get them home safely.

    My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped”.

    Well how very fine and noble of him to “expect” that. Personally I wish the world was so. Personally I think he is presumptuous in the extreme, especially when sex and alcohol and peer pressure are involved. Again, I’m not making the rules of potential human behaviour, nor excusing them, just reporting them.

    I prefer to both do what I can to ensure rape is never acceptable AND encourage the young lady in our household to use common sense to minimise the risk of being a victim of burglary, fraud, assault…and rape.

    And Judith, if, after I have written, “rape is NEVER acceptable, and NEVER invited” (November 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm)

    …you can still write, “All I see from you is veiled excuses – the victims should behave properly, not go where they aren’t meant to… blah blah blah…I don’t see anything saying that the actions of the males was to blame…”

    then I can only conclude you have reading difficulties, or you are deliberately obtuse.

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  57. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    @Viking2

    “Well lie with dogs and ta get their flea’s.

    It would seem they were not all innocent littlies. ”

    You are one cowardly sick motherfucker.

    What is your real name?

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  58. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    Well, this all gets more interesting…While the Yellow Pages might be “a failing business model” (I still use them!) I dont think one can say the ANZ bank is going down any time soon…Willie the Dumb and his sidekick might just have gone too far this time…

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  59. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    David Garrett – I’ve been a parent for thirty two years, so yes over the last ten years. I also have seven grandchildren/step grandchildren.

    When my children were teenagers they often organised public social functions for their peers and I was often involved in assisting with supervising and transporting. I’ve had experience with kids sneaking out to parties, arriving home for impromptu parties and having parties when we were away. I’ve seen some not very flash experiences with alcohol but haven’t fortunately had to deal with any sexual catastrophes.

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  60. Colville (2,079 comments) says:

    awesome to see $$$$ being used as leverage to get those two cunts off the air.

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  61. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    Suspect that the just-out-of-receivership Mediaworks will be very principled in sacking JT and Willie soon, in order to stop the advertising dollar haemorrhage.

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  62. CuriousGeorge (25 comments) says:

    @ Reid (14,280) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    “Yes something is really broken in society. It’s interesting the number of people here who are outraged yet who willingly contributed to the degradation by vociferously supporting the latest plank in the long term plan to degrade society, gay marriage. Of course none of those people would see any linkage whatsoever between that and this.”

    Adults of the same gender in consensual relationships wishing to get married has nothing to do with this. Having consensual sex with someone of the same gender is not illegal, have sex with a child – whether they are the same gender or not, is. If you like I could also give you a history lesson on where the rape of children started – religion & all those wonderful men over time who were nothing more than legal pedophiles. There is a reason why the law was changed so that men could no longer rape children & call it ‘marriage’.

    @ Chuck Bird (3,943) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    “The problem is how the definition of rape has changed in my view too far”

    The definition hasn’t changed where minors and/or consent is concerned. Minors are defined by their birthdays & consent is a simple yes or no. Not saying no does not mean you’ve said yes. Consent has to be absolute. Even if you initially agree then change your mind it is not consent. There is no green light just because you feel that the other person has been a bit of a cock-tease. No means no (unless you’re Winston) & anyone has the right to say NO regardless of how far along things are – end of the day only one person is being penetrated so it is that person who has absolute say over what goes on, for how long, if at all.

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  63. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    burt (6,329) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Terribly sorry, but I consider urinating on ones sexual partners and inserting toothpaste inside them – as was reported on the facebook page. Forgive me, I’m a bit ‘funny’ about that sort of thing.

    I also find people that think getting another drunk so they and their mates can have sex with them – perverted. Sorry you don’t. I guess its my lack of experience – I’ve had no problem finding alert and responsive and willing sexual partners – my bad!!

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  64. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ Kimbo

    I did not see your post at 4.45 until I had posted the after 5 post – I was busy typing and hadn’t read that response. Pleased to see it now you have pointed it out.

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  65. CuriousGeorge (25 comments) says:

    Those inclined to lean towards antiquated views and/or be apologists for rapist could do with some further reading – such as:

    1. Don’t put drugs in women’s drinks. Don’t rape her.

    2. When you see a woman walking by herself, leave her alone. Don’t rape her.

    3. If you pull over to help a woman whose car has broken down, remember not to rape her.

    4. If you are in a lift and a woman gets in, don’t rape her.

    5. When you encounter a woman who is asleep, the safest course of action is to not rape her.

    6. Never creep into a woman’s home through an unlocked door or window, or spring out at her from between parked cars, or rape her.

    7. When you lurk in bushes and doorways with criminal intentions, always wear bright clothing, wave a flashlight, or play “Boys Who Rape (Should All Be Destroyed)” by the Raveonettes on a boombox really loud, so women in the vicinity will know where to aim their flamethrowers.

    8. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If it is inconvenient for you to stop yourself from raping women, ask a trusted friend to accompany you when lurking in shadows. So you don’t rape her.

    9. Carry a rape whistle. If you find that you are about to rape a woman, you can hand the whistle to your buddy, so s/he can blow it to call for help.

    10. Give your buddy a revolver, so that when indifferent passers-by either ignore the rape whistle, or gather round to enjoy the spectacle, s/he can pistol-whip you.

    11. Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. When asking a woman out on a date, don’t pretend that you are interested in her as a person; tell her straight up that you expect to be raping her later. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the woman may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape her.

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  66. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    PG: Thank you. I am yet to face the whole “teenage party” thing, but when I do, I will be making damn sure I know where my daughter is – especially if I haven’t personally met the parents of the kid whose party it is…And I imagine that grey haired Dad turning up unexpectedly to check that all is as it’s supposed to be will be incredibly uncool but like many other things neither of them like, she will have to cope with it…So I am pretty much with Hooton on this…but I might be a bit less liberal than him…

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  67. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    Tolly, what a mole, dodges the bullet by passing the buck to the so-called “Independent” PCA. You won’t hear from the IPCA again until well after the cops have lost the case against the Roasters.

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  68. duggledog (1,352 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock

    I’d say Willie (union boss and battler for the Common Man who paradoxically sends his son to Kings) and Tamihere (renegade loudmouth Labour man who took a $200k golden handshake from Waipareira when he said he wouldn’t and did not pay tax on it) will either stand down because of this or be fired I reckon.

    That’s gotta be (?) 200 – 250 k worth of salaries and I don’t know about radio but I bet they don’t have a huge listener base, good time to get rid of and replace with someone else, I remember Radio Live doesn’t do very well, 1ZB shits on them.

    I listen to them occasionally but I wouldn’t miss them if they go, especially Willie who is like a broken record sometimes. Watch Rodney Hide take the seat. He said the other day he was labouring on building sites, that’s hard at his age.

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  69. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Judith

    I have no trouble finding alert and willing sexual partners either. But if one of them wanted to be urinated on or had a toothpaste fetish then who the hell are you to call that deviant ?

    Did you note I said ‘in the context of consenting adults’ ? – see that automatically excludes getting another drunk so they and their mates can have sex with them …. Unless of course that person intended to get drunk and have sex with multiple people at the same time ….

    There are people who think having sex during menstruation is deviant …. And I have no issues with them having that perspective – as long as they don’t judge others who might happen to like that.

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  70. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    the ignorance and racism in this thread is off the charts
    Kiwiblog the McDonalds of the blogosphere where washed up hacks like Garrett end up

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  71. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    RandySavage – the name says it all. Are you still in hiding?

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  72. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    RandySavage

    And you just joined the crowd by making it personal.

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  73. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Four companies who have pulled their advertising:

    ANZ, Yellow and Freeview have confirmed they are cancelling their ads on the show, and AA Insurance has indicated the same.

    It came after blogger Giovanni Tiso contacted around 30 companies which advertised on the Willie and JT Show yesterday, asking them if they would reconsider their support of the programme.

    He has so far received four responses, only one of which, from Countdown, said they were retaining their contract with the station.

    Some of the troops aren’t happy either.

    Duncan Garner ‏@Garner_Live
    There is no excuse for sexual abuse I’m with you @MatthewHootonNZ

    John Drinnan ‏@Zagzigger
    Some RadioLive staff called for meeting today over concern over MW handling Willie & JT Roastbusters – some v unhappy

    The end result?

    Sources at Radiolive said the pair had been called in for a meeting with the station’s general manager.

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  74. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    JT must be spending a lot of time with his scum brother. His views are clouded.

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  75. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Young Girls who dress provocatively should be told not too. I understand that totally. What i find funny is people trying to take the moral high ground saying that this is not the girls fault at all. Of course its not but dressing provocatively is going to antagonise dodgy people so girls should not do it.

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  76. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    “JT must be spending a lot of time with his scum brother. His views are clouded.”

    But Tamihere is ‘innocent’ isn’t he??

    These two idiots are hilarious. They are simply doing what they always do- defending the brown ‘bruthas’ against the oppressive ‘man’..
    Don’t expect them to lose their Radio show- Sacking them would be ‘racist’ don’t you know?

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  77. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    TV3 news reports a few advertisers have pulled their business from Radio Works ,but Radioworks standing by these 2 clowns.

    I have no doubt that if the DJ’s were white ,they’d be gone, they’da been sacked already.

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  78. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Key question; Was Clint Rickard convicted of sexually abusing 16 year old girls with his police batton whilst in his 30′s ?

    no

    and whats that comment contributing to this thread?

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  79. you reap what you sow (29 comments) says:

    The main issue is the radio station management continuing to promote this behavior with these two shock jocks for the sake of ratings. To counter this I would suggest someone publicizes every company that advertises on their show and encourages NZers to boycott their products and services. Only this sort of action will work.

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  80. BeaB (2,057 comments) says:

    Curious George
    Brilliant.

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  81. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    As much as this pains me I must also congratulate Matt McCarten on the way he took Brain dead Jackson and Tamahere to task.

    McCarten could easily have put the boot into Hooten once Hooten stormed off the show but he remained firmly of the opinion that Jackson and Tamahere were in the wrong.

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  82. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    Let’s hope that Jackson and Tamahere do get the flick. I would love them to be replaced with Rodney Hide.

    Mind you, Radio Live are more than likely give the job to that flake Deborah Coddington.

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  83. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Yeah Debroah is a flake. Willie is a cretan but i think JT makes the show interesting.

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  84. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    If Hide comes on it will be good. He is rational. He has character if he is labouring. JT would sit on his arse until a public job came around. Labouring will beneath him.

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  85. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (4,410) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    You have already done one of the best things you can do, by talking to your daughter about sex, including sexual behaviour and more than the basics that most get. So often parents find the conversation too difficult to have. Many young girls get themselves in bad situations because they are curious and because they want to ‘fit in’. If your daughter is fully aware, then she can make an informed decision about when she wants to embark on that particular journey.

    The one thing I always told my daughters was that you will always remember your first time. When you have to keep a memory for a life time, you want to make sure its a good one.

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  86. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    Nothing over at the EPMU funded Standard calling for the sacking of Jackson and Tamahere.

    Why might that be?

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  87. deadrightkev (276 comments) says:

    It beats me why Media Works keep a 2% rating racist show on the air. I used to get a laugh out of it until they started recreating the Treaty of Waitangi and trashing anyone that called up in protest. Once you cut your opposition off its game over for me.

    Jackson is such a rubbish broadcaster and has not idea about anything outside the marae. He has used and abused his skin colour for years so its time someone called time on him.

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  88. Tauhei Notts (1,607 comments) says:

    This whole Roast Busters carry on;
    I get the impression that Willie Jackson and John Tamihere are both thinking;
    “There, but for the grace of God, go I”.

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  89. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Notts
    Come on man, they wouldnt do that to anyone, dont be juvenile.

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  90. Alan (1,062 comments) says:

    @PEB, the comment is relevant because Jackson only goes mad when Hooten states it as a fact. I’ve only heard the clip on this page, until the Rickard thing was mentioned, it was fairly civil.

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  91. goldnkiwi (992 comments) says:

    Well the boys in question all have mothers, I wonder how many have got sisters as well?

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  92. toad (3,669 comments) says:

    @big bruv 8:06 pm

    Nothing over at the EPMU funded Standard calling for the sacking of Jackson and Tamahere.

    For just about the first time in my life I actually agree with Hooten.

    I’ve always thought Tamihere was a misogynist scumbag (“frontbums” and all that), but am somewhat surprised to see Jackson joining that league.

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  93. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    Has there ever been a fully sensible 17 year old man? 30 year olds generally lack sense when it comes to their cocks & women.

    Does Hooten not have the sense, or power, to think he couldn’t control 13/14 year old daughters? It’s not that hard & a far better strategy than trusting them to the libido’s of 17 year old BOY’s.

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  94. Steve Taylor (205 comments) says:

    I am hopeful this Newstalk ZB interview with Larry Williams interview on the issue is a little more useful: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/player/ondemand/255329321-steve-taylor–roast-busters-behaviour

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  95. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Hay guys a bit of friendly advice. Pretending you are super opposed to rape does not make you more attractive to women. It makes you look creepy.

    I know it is hard to understand how these little arseholes get more women than you have ever seen in your entire life, but you need to get over it.

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  96. swan (659 comments) says:

    “martinh (473) Says:
    November 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
    Young Girls who dress provocatively should be told not too. I understand that totally. What i find funny is people trying to take the moral high ground saying that this is not the girls fault at all. Of course its not but dressing provocatively is going to antagonise dodgy people so girls should not do it.”

    Yeah just like those black guys coming into town and trying to dance with the pretty white girls. I’m not saying it’s their fault, but that sort of behavior is bound to provoke a lynching, so they should not do it.

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  97. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    I do hope this is the end of Willie Jackson, utmost racist and despicable person.

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  98. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “I know it is hard to understand how these little arseholes get more women than you have ever seen in your entire life, but you need to get over it.”

    Apart from the fact you sound like a fuck-knuckle I’d like also say I have seen quite a few woman in my short 30 odd years and didn’t need to rely on getting a belly full of liquor into them to do so.

    Having to state “Yay I can get any woman I want…as long as they are drunk enough” isn’t anything to be proud of. Numbnuts.

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  99. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Manolo, what do you hate most about Willie?

    1. Saying what others are thinking ?

    2. Not parroting extremist feminist hate speech ?

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  100. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    TheContrarian, thanks for backing me up.

    [Or did you simply miss all my previous posts about no sex and drinking ?]

    You sound like a guilt ridden sex offender.

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  101. SGA (811 comments) says:

    Kea at 9:25 pm

    I know it is hard to understand how these little arseholes get more women than you have ever seen in your entire life, but you need to get over it.

    So that’s it – in Kea’s world a 13-year-old girl counts as a “woman”. All is explained.

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  102. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Jesus dude, your losing you rag over this. It’d funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

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  103. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    Jeez Kea, the way you go on about women I actually think you’re a 10 year old. Grow up dick.

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  104. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Keep it up sexos.

    You fool no one, least of all females.

    Most of us would do things differently with the ladies if we had our time over again. But you misfits never even had the chance to stuff it up because female instinct kept them away from you.

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  105. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Kea

    If you took what Jackson says and reverse the race of the players … We would probably try and lock him up for being a white supremacist. At a minimum, he would be denigrated by all, and absolutely be slated for being racist.

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  106. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    burt, I really wish women would appreciate you more and I hear your cries of pain. But I can not help you. Sorry brother.

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  107. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    right now

    You know kea’s a troll don’t you?

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  108. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Kea

    You are showing your appreciation of red wine.

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  109. Pharmachick (228 comments) says:

    Sigh.

    I’ve been reading about this here, and on other blogs for the last few days.

    I’m a strong woman with a career, family and a salary that might be considered “rather good” by most.

    I grew up in one of NZ’s most reviled towns & have first hand knowledge of the spousal abuse, casual attitudes toward women etc that go on. I don’t come from privilege, but I’ve seen it.

    Might I be the first to say that although this hideous bunch of “Rape Busters” (sorry, a “roast” is something we have on Sundays in our [extended family's] houses). Anyway, as I was saying, this is not a “West Auckland” thing. Its also not a “youf” thing. This is a failure of education thing. Might I suggest we stop telling our daughters, nieces, cousins, sisters, aunts etc in the “Health” classes in High School that they should “cover up” or “not drink so much” or “Not walk alone at night”. Might I suggest that we instead focus on the 50% of young men in the High School “Health” classes and tell them “short skirts are not a reason to rape” or “drunk girls are not a reason to rape” or “a girl walking alone at night is not a potential rape victim”.

    On the same note: I would like to see a public awareness campaign (similar to the drink driving, smoking and depression campaigns of the last 20 years). Perhaps this new “No means No” campaign could feature prominent All Blacks and Kiwis (Rugby League) and also others like Peter Gluckman (Science Wonk to the PM) and Scott Dickson (Motor Car Driver) and Willie Apiata (VC recipient and National Hero) etc.

    How about we all try some positive ideas moving forward – rather than just our futile (but totally justified) raging about these despicable [alleged] rapist cowards?

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  110. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    burt, being sleazy never works out. Women are not as stupid as you assume, though you are by no means the worst.

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  111. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    Hay guys a bit of friendly advice. Pretending you are super opposed to rape does not make you more attractive to women. It makes you look creepy.

    I love how Kea thinks anyone would admit to a woman that they comment on Kiwiblog.

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  112. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    burt, sometimes I agree with Kea, sometimes I don’t, regardless of whether s/he is a troll. But when someone continuously goes on about their prowess with women like Kea does I tend to think they’re compensating for something.

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  113. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    “Hey, baby. Did you see me on Kiwiblog condemning… Hello? Where did she go?”

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  114. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ryan, I seldom mention it. Though a few comments have been written with woman looking over my shoulder.

    As you have correctly observed, women have no interest in social or political debate. Your view supports my view that women should not be able to vote. This extremely recent and limited social experiment has failed miserably.

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  115. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull , yawn ! How about thinking for yourself rather than paraphrasing feminist lies ?

    God will not reward you for grovelling and women especially will not.

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  116. Nostalgia-NZ (4,909 comments) says:

    Look Kea is revealing his ‘feminine’ side, again.

    Meanwhile it looks progressively certain that Kea’s triumphant shout or shriek of ‘show me the evidence’ is about to be fulfilled, I think a plain development has been occurring throughout the day and possibly from some point earlier – that somebody must be charged. If that’s correct the right venue will be employed – The Courts.

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  117. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nosty, someone “might” be “charged” after a one sided campaign by the media ?

    Have you ever been “charged” and what was the charge and outcome ?

    [Stand in line with the other fakes. You are no worse or better.]

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  118. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “As you have correctly observed, women have no interest in social or political debate. Your view supports my view that women should not be able to vote.”

    Troll or somewhat retarded are my guesses.

    Kea reminds me of Felix from The Standard to a certain extent – though I wouldn’t call Felix retarded. But they have the same MO

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  119. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Every Friday night , in all suburbs, teen girls txt each other asking where the parties are and who can get the vodka and who has some drugs so that they can meet up and party. These girls aged between 10 -15 are looking for a bit of fun and excitement and may sneak out of home or tell lies to their parents so that they can go out and party with their friends. These girls are attracted to young guys 15-20 who have cars , money, booze and drugs because those guys are cool to party with. They will get drunk and stoned with the guys and engage in sexual activity because that is what teens do these days.

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  120. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    KevinH , but but but !!! Men are predators and pigs. Only filthy old middle aged perverts can protect the innocent sexless young maidens LOL :)

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  121. Nostalgia-NZ (4,909 comments) says:

    A ‘one sided campaign’ – hilarious. Interesting to note that you acknowledge your campaign efforts over several days haven’t made headway. I agree. Touch up your eye-liner, you’re sounding a wee bit teary.

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  122. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ , off to bed now mate. I will sleep pretty well knowing that I have tended to treat women pretty well and caused not lasting or deliberate harm to them.

    Kea has nothing to make up for.

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  123. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    KevinH,

    Teen girls 10-15…

    * Text each other asking where the parties are and who can get the vodka and who has some drugs so that they can meet up and party
    * Are looking for a bit of fun and excitement
    * May sneak out of home or tell lies to their parents so that they can go out and party with their friends
    * Are attracted to young guys 15-20 who have cares, money, booze and drugs because those guys are cool to party with
    * Will get drunk and stoned with the guys and engage in sexual activity because that is what teens do these days

    Young guys 15-20…

    * ????

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  124. Nostalgia-NZ (4,909 comments) says:

    ‘Every Friday night , in all suburbs, teen girls txt each other asking where the parties are and who can get the vodka and who has some drugs so that they can meet up and party. These girls aged between 10 -15 are looking for a bit of fun and excitement and may sneak out of home or tell lies to their parents so that they can go out and party with their friends. These girls are attracted to young guys 15-20 who have cars , money, booze and drugs because those guys are cool to party with. They will get drunk and stoned with the guys and engage in sexual activity because that is what teens do these days’

    That’s what some teens have always done. However, extending that to a situation where a number of females are alleging rape against a particular ‘crew’ is a concern. By all accounts there has been an unsatisfactory police response to this point which certainly looks to be being remedied. That should be in everyone’s interests.

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  125. RightNow (6,657 comments) says:

    I’ve had cause to wonder tonight why Kea has been on KB such a short time and managed to rack up almost 9,000 comments. Doesn’t sound like someone with much else going on.
    I have to agree with kowtow, Kea you’re a sad wee troll.

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  126. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Every Friday night , in all suburbs, teen girls txt each other asking where the parties are and who can get the vodka and who has some drugs so that they can meet up and party. These girls aged between 10 -15 are looking for a bit of fun and excitement and may sneak out of home or tell lies to their parents so that they can go out and party with their friends. These girls are attracted to young guys 15-20 who have cars , money, booze and drugs because those guys are cool to party with. They will get drunk and stoned with the guys and engage in sexual activity because that is what teens do these days.

    Pretty much.

    But remember people: men are beasts.

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  127. Camryn (550 comments) says:

    No-one should get burgled… it’s always wrong. But if you leave the door open then you’re more likely to get burgled than if you lock it.

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  128. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Now the police are threatening Bomber for posting an amusing parody of one of their recruiting posters.

    I said to my wife the other day that the silly season had definitely started. Looks like I underestimated how bad it would be this year. I blame global warming.

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  129. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    What is it with everyone? They suffering from Meme attacks? They grew up in a safe and secure environment? What is it with this idiot Hooten who thinks a 17 year old male is going to look after a 13 year old that he doesn’t know at a party? This is a group of young guys that thought they could flaunt their perceived prowess without consequences.

    What a pack of immature fuckwits to think it has all got to do with an area. It shows your understanding of your country and tells everyone a lot about your experience with life. Small.

    Any male here who can’t say they didn’t try it on when they were in their teens with a young girl whom they were keen on is obviously a super pious fuckwit. When puberty hits the DNA coding kicks in and gone are the days when sex was a strange word.

    Teenage males are all about their mates, acquisition of cars, Alcohol, pussy. When they are with their mates and they don’t have a controller and screen in front of them then it’s adhering to the call of their DNA. This process can be interrupted by instilling that thing called morals but in this day and age when content is freely available on demand.

    When you start talking about your naughty years it’s unbelievable what stories come out. This is just a teenage version of using drugs to incapacitate and rape, guess where they learned that from?

    People need to come off their high moral bullshit.

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  130. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Any male here who can’t say they didn’t try it on when they were in their teens with a young girl whom they were keen on is obviously a super pious fuckwit.

    Or white-knighting.

    I think I’m going to ask for an endowed chair at Otago studying the various “cultures” that are responsible for crimes. Everyone knows about rape culture, but did you know that NZ also has a “burglary culture” and a “exposing yourself to people in public parks” culture?

    Yes, our culture secretly approves of and facilitates burglary and flashing.

    I blame the patriarchy. I don’t know who they are, but it’s them alright…

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  131. Gulag1917 (651 comments) says:

    Azeraph- some big generalisations there. Guilt prevent you from making any stand on principle?

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  132. kiwi in america (2,436 comments) says:

    Good on Matthew Hooten for taking a principled stance although I think he will have a bit more positive influence on his daughters in their teens than he thinks.

    The link to Larry Williams’ Newstalk ZB interview with Steve Taylor (the West Auckland youth councilor) was a breath of fresh air and loaded with common sense wisdom. I have worked a lot with young people over the years; volunteer work with youth A&D issues, youth groups and coaching high school rugby. The first two I have done for some years in New Zealand before moving to the US and so I am familiar with the trends in NZ teen behavior.

    This is a crisis of parenting and a decline in what could loosely be called societal collective morals. Things that were less widespread are now commonplace. A case in point is pornography. 20 years ago it was rare for teenage boys to have access to porn movies that portrayed predatory group sex as ok – now it is easy to access all kinds of porn. It also used to be rarer for teen girls to get blind drunk – whereas teen male heavy drinking was commonplace. A generation ago there was less concern about self esteem and more concern about boundaries. My mother used to say semi – jokingly that our home was not a democracy but a benign dictatorship! Too many modern parents of teens are afraid to lay down boundaries with consequences. All these trends erode norms and make it harder for parents to find an appropriate boundary and enforce it.

    The antics of these young men are outside even the modern norm of casual teen sex. Its one thing to get drunk and shag a girl you meet at a party – that is commonplace. These boys have systematically targeted younger teen girls to find ways to have group sex with them and using alcohol and drugs where possible to assist in their goal. That is predatory behaviour that, was an under aged victim able to lay a sufficiently robust complaint that would stand up in court, could result in rape charges.

    Jackson and Tamahere in trying to be macho shock jocks and winding up Hooten, made the mistake of passing off this predatory behaviour as some new normal in West Auckland. Whilst I’m sure the Roastbusters aren’t the only ones, they will be outliers even in today’s more challenging teenage world.

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  133. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Azeraph at 12:36 am

    Any male here who can’t say they didn’t try it on when they were in their teens with a young girl whom they were keen on is obviously a super pious fuckwit.

    It depends on what you mean by “try it on” – I remember plenty of one-on-one consensual trying it on, but you don’t have to be “a super pious fuckwit” to have not considered getting females drunk and then bonking them when they were comatose.

    Most young guys wanted a bit, but most also wanted some self respect the following day, and many would also prefer some ongoing respect from the person they tried it on with.

    It also depends on what you mean by “with a young girl” – you don’t have to be “a super pious fuckwit” to look for potential partners approximately your own age. Sixth or seventh formers trying to booze up third formers so they could have sex with their mates using a joed out female victim would have been seen as super sleazy fuckwits.

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  134. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Everybody is opposed to rape and considers it a terrible crime. Everybody thinks the antics of these young people are unacceptable.

    But to show how much more moral, good and decent he is than all those other men, PG makes a big show of being super duper opposed to rape.

    PG get over yourself. Your opposition to sexual assault is not a novel position and in no way distinguishes you from other men. You are not a saviour of women, you are simply an attacker of men.

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  135. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    You are not a saviour of women, you are simply an attacker of men.

    P.G. sees himself as a knight in shining armour defending feminism while accusing men of being rapists. He’s the new Don Quixote of Dunedin political scene, the Peter Dunne of the Deep South.

    Stop me from laughing too loud, please.

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  136. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (184) Says:
    November 8th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    No, it’s not, those young men will get what they deserve whether they are convicted or not, for the time being their lives are in limbo. Do i feel sorry for them? No. Do I want to head hunt them? No. Do i blame their parents? How do i know, they might have raised them right but for this particular bunch and what they set out to do it would not have mattered.

    What i haven’t seen being asked is ” Is this a trend for online kudos gathering?”

    A white male of indeterminate age was spotted sitting naked in a bus stop by 2 young teenage girls last night, did the girls report it? No. When asked why they squealed in laughter and said “We got a fright and just ran” By the time i found out it was a waste of time to do anything about it.

    As much as it galls me to say this but maybe controls need to be put in place for online porn.

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  137. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    I’m saying and doing no more than many men at the moment. Kea and Manolo are a small minority who choose to attack the messenger, so it’s highly ironic that Kea claims “you are simply an attacker of men”.

    I’m not “defending feminism”, like many men at the moment I’m speaking out for decent male behaviour and if a few men feel threatened by that and lash out then too bad.

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  138. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    When the minister of police, police, courts, psychologists, counsellors and wise bloggers have expressed and enjoyed sufficient outrage, and solved the problem of very young girls going to parties and getting drunk and having sex, and castrated the boys if the girls call it rape, because men shouldn’t rape women, and excused the parents — idealists and eternal optimists or just unable to control and discipline their offspring — will they become hysterical about other things men shouldn’t do, like killing people with knives, guns, cudgels and fists, because men shouldn’t kill people with knives, guns, cudgels and fists?

    And when will my car and house be safe if I leave them unlocked, because men shouldn’t steal cars and burgle houses?

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  139. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Pete George (19,468) Says: November 8th, 2013 at 7:48 am. I’m saying and doing no more than many men at the moment. Kea and Manolo are a small minority who choose to attack the messenger …

    You’re just an echo, and a dreamer, Pete. All talk and pious nonsense. Of course men should behave. Women should behave. Children should behave. People shouldn’t go hungry. Get sick. Die young.

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  140. Scott Chris (5,877 comments) says:

    Yeah there’s a bit of brainwashing going on here but I think it’s probably for the good.

    Get with the program.

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  141. Dean Papa (736 comments) says:

    P.G, you make me PROUD to be a MAN!

    We should start a man group to discuss sensitive issues such as this. Of course we’d cover other topics like art and literature. But any mention of sport will be banned. Perhaps even some poetry analysis. Who wants to start the discussion off by describing to the group their feelings after reading this very relevant Adrienne Rich poem?

    Rape, by Adrienne Rich

    There is a cop who is both prowler and father:
    he comes from your block, grew up with your brothers,
    had certain ideals.
    You hardly know him in his boots and silver badge,
    on horseback, one hand touching his gun.

    You hardly know him but you have to get to know him:
    he has access to machinery that could kill you.
    He and his stallion clop like warlords among the trash,
    his ideals stand in the air, a frozen cloud
    from between his unsmiling lips.

    And so, when the time comes, you have to turn to him,
    the maniac’s sperm still greasing your thighs,
    your mind whirling like crazy. You have to confess
    to him, you are guilty of the crime
    of having been forced.

    And you see his blue eyes, the blue eyes of all the family
    whom you used to know, grow narrow and glisten,
    his hand types out the details
    and he wants them all
    but the hysteria in your voice pleases him best.

    You hardly know him but now he thinks he knows you:
    he has taken down your worst moment
    on a machine and filed it in a file.
    He knows, or thinks he knows, how much you imagined;
    he knows, or thinks he knows, what you secretly wanted.

    He has access to machinery that could get you put away;
    and if, in the sickening light of the precinct,
    and if, in the sickening light of the precinct,
    your details sound like a portrait of your confessor,
    will you swallow, will you deny them, will you lie your way home?

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  142. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    My daughters are entitled to rebel and behave badly, without being raped.

    So Hooton assumes that the girls in this case have been raped. Let’s hope he never serves on a jury. He doesn’t know all the facts yet he pronounces on guilt.

    BTW, when you behave badly, there are usually consequences. Just ask David Bain. :)

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  143. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    “Here’s what I find odd ……

    Yesterday the commissioner knew naff all about this …..
    Yet today he categorically states he doesn’t expect anyone’s job to be in jeopardy because of it …..
    so in less than a day , he’s gone from knowing nothing , to knowing the outcome of an ‘independent’ inquiry that hasn’t started yet ?

    No wonder he’s got the top job .”

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  144. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    The Commissioner’s glib responses have done nothing to promote confidence in police handling of the cases.

    The police need someone to front this who is capable of showing empathy for and understanding of the various issues involved.

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  145. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    I am ashamed to be a human being. I win.

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  146. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Yes. yes, yes, Pete. Sympathy, Empathy, Love, Understanding… That should do it. No glib responses from you, eh, Pete?

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  147. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    KevinH: What a load of complete bollocks…my daughter is 12, and every Friday night she is either with me or her mother, eating fish’n’chips (the one fast food night a week) and watching DVD’s…Neither her nor any of her peers are “txting each other finding where the parties and drugs are at”…

    I am fully aware that that will change sooner than I want it to, but that doesnt make your comment any less crap…

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  148. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett

    Good on you for being an active father and instilling the qualities of virtue/self respect and integrity in your children.

    I feel an absence of this is what leads to the problem many young people have. Whilst some live in homes being dragged up, with little positive attention etc, there are some that are given too much attention. In short they are not treated like children, but mini adults from the time they are born. They are ‘adored’ by their parents, who ruin them in the process. Rather than be allowed to be children, and learn their place in the world, and gain the knowledge that nothing is free in life, and that you have to work for everything you get by not just labouring but by showing respect to others, and learning where you stand, as a child in the wider picture.

    These young men don’t know that. By all accounts they have come from what would be assessed as socially acceptable backgrounds, and yet they have demonstrated extreme deviancy. To me they have demonstrated their lack of humanity. Their lack of respect for, not just females, but for anyone. They are attention-seekers, with traits of narcissism.

    I am sure in your work you have come across many like them. Parents always at the ready to excuse their acting out, excuse their lack of respect, to worship the ground they walk on – and in loving them so much, they’ve ruined their children’s chances to be decent humanbeings.

    Being separated is not easy, but providing your children a balanced upbringing, and not spoiling them just because your marriage didn’t work out, is what more people need to do. Good on you and your ex-wife.

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  149. Robo (21 comments) says:

    A few late comments:
    • The roast busters are victimising and publicly degrading young girls and need to be stopped. Obviously.
    •Whether they raped the girls remains to be seen. As Louise Nicholas pointed out last night, there is as yet no evidence of rape. Just of a group of boys bragging. If they have been raping girls they obviously need to be prosecuted and I’m sure they will be. The police hate this stuff as much as any parent, but they need reliable evidence.
    •Whilst the sex is by definition illegal, that’s not what’s bothering people. Which shows just how inured we are to the fact that lots of 13-15 year old girls in NZ are “sexually active”. We’re apparently OK with them having sex but expect it to be a nice experience and the boys/men to respect them afterwards. But that is just wishful thinking. For some at that age, their first sexual experiences will be (very) bad. Which is why we shouldn’t be encouraging them.
    •Young girls should simply not be at these sort of parties. That’s why responsible parents do their utmost to warn them and if necessary stop them. We teach our kids about life’s dangers, and going alone to an unsupervised party with older boys is obviously one of them. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that?
    •Most teenagers are pretty sensible and respectful of each other. In many cases they actually have a stronger sense of personal morality than we do. And whilst teenage boys dream of sex, most don’t want to rape, degrade or humiliate their partners and wouldn’t put up with others doing that either.
    •We are all still at early stages in the on-line world. The casual peer pressure of facebook, Q-me, instagram etc is new to us, but our kids are swimming in it and making up the rules as they go along. We’ve given the publishing pen to millions of hormonal, unsophisticated teenagers. What did we think they’d do with it? What would we have done with it at that age? Lots of very personal stuff gets posted and commented on with both over the top support and casual cruelty. Most teenage boy, and many teenage girl social media pages have or refer to real or fantasy material that is revealing and offensive. Take a look. That’s the world we have made for them. We should stop acting so surprised.

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  150. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    “Whether they raped the girls remains to be seen. As Louise Nicholas pointed out last night, there is as yet no evidence of rape. Just of a group of boys bragging. If they have been raping girls they obviously need to be prosecuted and I’m sure they will be. The police hate this stuff as much as any parent, but they need reliable evidence.”

    Louise Nicholas is on the Police payroll so you can ignore what she says just as she and the cops have ignored the one girls formal complaint.

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  151. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    @jackinabox

    You are right there. Louise is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Of course there is bloody evidence. If a woman claims she is raped that is evidence. That is not to say that there is is enough evidence to prosecute let alone get a conviction. Mind you many people have been charged on this little evidence and this is not right.

    However, when the complainant’s evidence is combined with the accused self incrimination there is a lot of evidence.

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  152. goldnkiwi (992 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird (3,944) Says:
    November 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Louise Nicholas has every reason to distrust the police in these regards, she seems to have a very objective view regarding this matter. I do not think I would be as objective without her experiences let alone with.

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  153. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    Louise Nicholas was highly pissed when the cops dismissed her claims of rape and baton misuse but now that she’s a police employee she appears to have gone over to the dark side. Remember how angry she was when Rickards, Shipton and Schollum were found not guilty? All that anger seems to have been replaced with pro-police crap such as, “there is as yet no evidence of rape, just of a group of boys bragging.” There’s not much hope of non victimized average kiwis seeing the light when a much abused victim such Louise Nicholas can be bought off.

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  154. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Louise Nicholas was highly pissed when the cops dismissed her claims of rape”

    Which ones ? She has made rather a lot of such claims. She moved town and got raped by cops there too. Every where she went she got raped by cops. Terribly bad luck.

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  155. jackinabox (578 comments) says:

    Murupara and Rotorua are in the same police district so its no surprise that she was raped by cops in both places.

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  156. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    duggledog – full context – Rodney is a fuckwit saying that people are too picky about employment now that he’s spent all of five minutes doing hard work recently.

    So that entitles Rodney to wax lyrical about the working classes does it? What a fuckwit. A few days piss-arsing around with tradies and he’s telling everyone how it is? Fuckwit. The difference between him and dickheads with no options is that he can quit any fucking time he likes. There’s no way in the world that he has to do ‘labouring for peanuts’ if he doesn’t want to. He can hand pick what he does on his terms…. if it gets too hard? Then he can stop any time he likes. He’s got those options…. those he preaches to don’t. Fuck him.

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  157. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    •Young girls should simply not be at these sort of parties. That’s why responsible parents do their utmost to warn them and if necessary stop them. We teach our kids about life’s dangers, and going alone to an unsupervised party with older boys is obviously one of them. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that?

    Thanks Robo – I thought I was going out of my FUCKING MIND with half the GOBSHITE on the roastfucker threads !!

    Of all the times that I’ve never gone into the CBD …. guess what? I’ve never got into trouble. Well…. fuck me sideways , REALLY ??

    Fuckin Duhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  158. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Fuck you talk a lot of old shit Judith…. did you stay in school past 15? You’d never know it if you did… you’ve fucktarded your idiotic bleating all over this thing.

    The roastfuckers were this… the roastfuckers are obviously exactly like this… you’ve never met these cunts – so – what the fuck would you know you lightweight fuckin muppet…. seriously….

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  159. Psycho Milt (2,261 comments) says:

    Whilst the sex is by definition illegal, that’s not what’s bothering people.

    Quite so. What’s bothering them is first, that these girls were raped by shitheads who seem positively proud of the fact; second, that a sea of other shitheads seems keen to leap to their defence; and third, that the cops don’t seem to have been bothered by it in the way that they would have been if the shitheads in question had been dealing drugs.

    •Young girls should simply not be at these sort of parties.

    True, but also utterly, totally irrelevant unless you’re trying to imply that the ones who are at “these sort of parties” (ie, ones with rapists attending them) deserve to get raped.

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  160. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    jackinabox, yeah right. I seem to recall she also claimed to be raped by some Maori youths. So it was not just men in uniform. Poor woman. So tragic.

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  161. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt, if you have evidence to support your claims of rape then stop withholding evidence and contact the police right now.

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  162. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Hooten should meet the victims, meet the parents and families, and he should hang out at some of these parties.

    Same supersuck city – people who might as well be from different planets mate.

    He’s just another clueless educated removed blowhard white cunt who doesn’t ever truly see the shit to know it from clay.

    A lot of these ‘media commentators’ couldn’t tell you what two litres of milk costs. Some of them are so out of touch it’s laughable. Sheltered and insulated inside their own little rich person bubble.

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  163. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/06/a_fake_rape_register.html

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/04/the_louise_nicholas_case.html

    What an amazing woman. After lodging 7 rape complaints against 7 different police at 7 different times, she still hangs out with the police. She also got raped by a Maori wearing a ski mask. She is certainly well qualified to advise the police on rape issues. Surely no women has been raped so many times by so many different people. What terrible bad luck !

    I note people seemed smarter back then, on KB.

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  164. flash2846 (170 comments) says:

    To Left Right and Centre
    You are quite simply a gutless racist who hides behind the web to spout your racist diatribe.
    People like you are the reason my country and maori in particular have problems.
    It’s easy to describe you: pathetic loser with no job who smokes and drinks too much and acts inappropriately with your children who will grow to be losers entirely because of you.
    Shame on you; you RACIST!

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  165. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Who the fuck is this loser? flash2846 – with one post to your name – you must be a regular logging in under yet another user account. Who’s looking dodgy pal? What the fuck weirdo?

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  166. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Looks like you’ve got your own personal stalker LR&C. :)

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  167. safesally (47 comments) says:

    Hey left wrong and stupid; that language is really uncalled for. It shows what you really are “small”
    Have you tried medication? Perhaps Herbal Ignite
    I expect you will post more stupidity. Don’t disappoint me please

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  168. chickadee (12 comments) says:

    I agree with you flash2846
    This is about rape not race. I do however feel Willie and JT are not deserving of all this scorn. I think JT in particular quite liked the girl and hence became perhaps a little too familiar.
    And to Left Right and Centre, this is my first post so does that make me a weirdo? You need anger management.
    Chickadee out!

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  169. flash2846 (170 comments) says:

    Again with the swearing Left Right and Centre. Here’s a suggestion: go to WINZ and get funding for psychological help or even just some primitive education.
    I have read some of your posts and they are truly questionable. Clearly you have tendencies towards supporting rapists and one would be inclined to wonder exactly why.
    I look forward to some more abuse from you; it’s great sport for my family and friends. Just try and get a sentence or two out without swearing will you.
    P.S. my daughter says “w.a.w” whatever that means.

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  170. chickadee (12 comments) says:

    Where are you sal? This is a bit right wing but I like it.
    Chickadee out!

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  171. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    flash2846 What’s wrong with swearing fuckwit ?

    How can anyone conclude that I support rapists ?

    It’s easy to describe you: pathetic loser with no job who smokes and drinks too much and acts inappropriately with your children who will grow to be losers entirely because of you.
    Shame on you; you RACIST!

    And what the fuck is that bullshit? You are a gutless little cunt !!

    So some faggot has signed up just to reply to my comments… I’m so honoured.

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  172. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Hey – friends and family – here’s a great sport; sucking my fucking cock – up yours losers !! :) :)

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  173. chickadee (12 comments) says:

    OMG Find a job you pathetic little man. w.a.g.
    Seriously, and clearly there is nothing to suck. You need real help and I know where you will find it. Try the Methodist Mission perhaps they will pity you as much as we do.
    I realise I struck a nerve with my first reply; was it that you are out of work? or that you have abused your own children? either way it is a problem only you can resolve. Be strong and please get some help; drugs and alcohol are not the problem, they are just excuses.
    And that swearing? tut! tut! tut! if you had a partner I am sure he would not approve.

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  174. flash2846 (170 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre?, Let’s see: Left behind, Right w**k*r and dribbles out both sides of her mouth. Your foul mouth reiterates your ignorance.
    My friends and I have had a hilarious night at your expense.
    Why don’t you spend less time spouting rubbish on the internet and more time trying to find work? I would offer you a job but I actually respect my staff; they would not put up with you for more than half a day.
    For goodness sake, lay off the grog for just one day and sort yourself out!

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  175. safesally (47 comments) says:

    OK Chickadee Sal receiving
    Not right wing just informed. You listen to your father too much.
    Good call on that left right and centre degenerate. I think it’s a ‘he’ and he smells like an abuser. Good kiwi gals would chew him up and spit out the pieces.
    It is obvious he has small mans disease. Let us call him “small pe pe” from now. Poor little boy with mother issues; how sad.
    Gonna log in tomorrow; bye bye

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  176. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I’ve got fuckin groupies !! How cool is this shit ?? I’ve got a whole fuckin group of shit for brains muppets on here !!

    My own little fuckin harem – well I’ll be. They’ve all signed up to KB just to type noddy bullshit replies to one commenter…. hahahahaha…. fuckin retards. You fucking little pissant retards…. too funny. Losers !! Come on – give me more replies groupies – I’m loving it.

    Retarded dickhead spur of the moment username choices by fucktards. Good one morons !!

    Struck a nerve ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!

    I couldn’t give a fuck what a group of fuckhead no-ones type onto KB. I don’t care who you idiots are. Fuckin losers mate !!

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  177. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Of course – all of these usernames could be one fat bloke in his fifties with multiple accounts. Who would know ? That’s why I don’t care. Fuck knows who these / this idiot/s are / is.

    Probably a regular user taking the piss with multiple accounts. What a sad cunt. If not – what a pack of sad cunts !! Pathetic dipshits.

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  178. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I wonder if it’s judith setting up multiple accounts ? Fucking pathetic bullshit.

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  179. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Oh yeah – most kiwi women are the least desirable sheilas on planet earth. They sound horrendous, look horrendous and are about as attractive as a fuckin used tampon :) :)

    Seriously – are they trying to look like total shit ??

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  180. safesally (47 comments) says:

    I think you said “groupies” when you meant “herpes” You really are tiny aren’t you!
    Pathetic little boy abuses Kiwi women when he is that sad non of us would have him.
    We went to a great party last night; had a good time with good people including some real men who would put you to shame.
    What were you doing last night? Oh of course dribbling in front of your computer. Very sad indeed.

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  181. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Yep – that sounds like something that isn’t a total lie. Went to a party and then back on the web at 9 fucking a.m. to reply to a KB comment. Yeah right !!

    Three of one – all of these usernames are the same user. Pathetic. It’s a bit too obvious, don’t you think ?

    Nine comments – all replies to the same user from accounts set up why exactly ?

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  182. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Let’s make some work for these pricks. You’re going to have to downtick this comment.

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  183. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    And this one. Come on my little puppets. Lots of ticks like the other comments from fake accounts.

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