Making shit up

November 3rd, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

He also used his speech to accuse the Government of snubbing a convention that invitations were not issued for a royal visit during an election year.

He believed Prime Minister John Key would invite the to bring “its newest and cutest member here for a long series of photo ops in an election year”, Cunliffe said, referring to Prince William, wife Kate and their baby George.

Cunliffe has just invented this convention. The convention is not to have visits during or close to election campaigns. Rather silly to invent a fake convention and then accuse John Key of planning to break this fake mythical convention.

Based on some quick research, here are the previous royal visits which have occurred in election years:

  1. 1954, QEII
  2. 1963 QEII
  3. 1981 QEII
  4. 1990, QEII, Prince Edward and Princess Royal
  5. 2002, QEII

When you devote a proportion of your speech to attacking the PM for breaking a non-existent convention, then I guess it just means you din’t have much of substance to say.

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37 Responses to “Making shit up”

  1. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    I sense that the media have already had enough of Cuntliffe, this could be the shortest honeymoon period in political history.

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  2. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    And Helen Clark ignored conventions that did not suit her.

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  3. duggledog (1,505 comments) says:

    National’s challenge over the next twelve months is to articulate the often complicated disastrous reality of Labour and the Greens’ easily articulated lies and bullshit policies.

    They ought to get on with it. They can’t leave it till the Election Debates

    The Greens and Labour are getting an awful lot of momentum and column inches and their tripe is really starting to ‘bed in’ with the lofos

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  4. Nukuleka (304 comments) says:

    Labour’s intention to hold a binding referendum on dumping the monarchy is obviously the first step in the process of installing Queen Helen as Head of State. God defend NZ!

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,270 comments) says:

    Let’s see; who was governing in 1990 and 2002, the last two occasions that there were election-year Royal visits…

    And while we are talking about Royals, has David Cunliffe actually read the lyrics of the Lorde song he strode onstage to yesterday? The last two lines of the first verse are rather ironic for the MP for New Lynn who lives in one of Auckland’s most expensive suburbs:

    “And I’m not proud of my address,
    In a torn-up town, no postcode envy”

    Is David Cunliffe “not proud” of being the MP for New Lynn? Oh dear…

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  6. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    So that would be similar to Labour breaking constitutional conventions (and the general rule of law) ot retrospectively legislate to allow Harry Duynhoven to remain as an MP?

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  7. flipper (3,952 comments) says:

    peterwn (2,533) Says:
    November 3rd, 2013 at 9:14 am
    And Helen Clark ignored conventions that did not suit her.
    ****

    Well said…and for instance….

    * Wearing trousers at a State banquet with the Queen,
    * Scrubbing The Privy Council without making it an election plank….and so on

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  8. Nostalgia-NZ (5,101 comments) says:

    Showing a little confusion here, on the one hand saying that the Monarchy is irrelevant and on the other implying that a mere photograph could swing an election. Overall, and I’m hardly among them, why offer offence to those that might be pro Royal – particularly in respect of a situation that isn’t going to happen. I thought that Cunliffe was bright, maybe he has got a flat battery.

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  9. mandk (958 comments) says:

    @ Duggledog
    Not sure you are right about the wacky ideas gaining traction.
    Take a look at the comments under Stuff’s story on the issue.
    Looks like a lot of Labour supporters are in disbelief that the party is incapable of addressing the real issues.

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  10. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Who are the corporates that have paid $1500 to “hang” with these losers. Anyone know?

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  11. Chris R (70 comments) says:

    I recall that in 1975 (an election year) Prince Charles and Princess Anne stayed with the Acland family at Mount Peel in South Canterbury. I encountered Princess Anne in the main street of Geraldine.

    Cunnliffe follows a strong tradition of lying Labour leaders.

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  12. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I thought that Cunliffe was bright, maybe he has got a flat battery.

    Lift ya game Nosty, next you’ll be saying Winston’s sincere.

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  13. Nostalgia-NZ (5,101 comments) says:

    Winston is always sincere, right up until he’s either got the money or the vote.

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  14. tvb (4,330 comments) says:

    And his big policy announcement is to set up some big insurance company. Big deal.

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  15. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Here’s some more making shit up, from Cunliffe’s speech:

    One for the rich and powerful, who don’t pay their fair share of tax because they have smart accountants to ensure they avoid it.

    Families who pay tax on every dollar they earn, pick up the slack for the mega-rich and the foreign corporations who don’t.

    Five years ago, John Key told New Zealanders, “wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones’’.

    But he only meant it for the privileged few.

    He gave massive tax cuts to the rich that they did not need while he put up GST on everyone.

    Cunliffe is supposed to be intelligent and financially literate – if so this means he is telling deliberate distortions and lies.

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  16. Archer (204 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure QEII didn’t come here in 2002. Cunliffe entered Parliament in 1999 so for QEII to have visited in 2002, then Cunliffe would have had to have been part of a government that broke this convention. And I think it is very unlikely that Cunliffe is telling a bold faced lie to Labour Party members and the New Zealand public. That would make him an unprincipled scumbag. So obviously it is impossible for QEII to have come here in 2002.

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  17. Simon (694 comments) says:

    Yep Cunlife will spend the next six months making crap up and internal polling will tell him what to run with into the election.

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  18. radvad (749 comments) says:

    He also said “the life of every kiwi hangs in the balance”.

    WTF? Who can take this moron seriously?

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  19. duggledog (1,505 comments) says:

    Radvad and mandk

    Heaps of people can and are taking Cunliffe seriously! Any poll will show you at least a third of this country’s population actually think Labour & the Greens could do a better job than National.

    Which is disturbing.

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  20. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Heaps of people can and are taking Cunliffe seriously!

    I did a job with a guy a few weeks ago and he’s a great bloke but his theory is that the government can just keep on printing money with no consequence because if the moneys in circulation things keep working.

    After ten minutes of listening to this we agreed to talk about sex only otherwise the argument we would have would mean the job would still not be finished.

    What’s scary is the number of people whose sole information intake in a day is the 6.00 pm news. They never question anything they hear, its taken as gospel and that is bloody terrifying.

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  21. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Archer said

    I’m pretty sure QEII didn’t come here in 2002.

    She certainly did come here in 2002. It was in my first week of uni, and some new acquaintances from and I from Weir House were doing a scavenger hunt in Wellington City. We came across a big gathering of people outside the church by Parliament and found out the Queen was inside. Some commies were there making a scene, so when she came outside to get in the car I started “singing” God Save the Queen to shut them up, and the whole crowd joined in.

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  22. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Cunliffe speaks through two sides of his mouth. Anyone that can follow him and believe him, has to be as looney as Cunliffe.

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  23. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    What do people think of the ‘Kiwi Insurance’ idea? It plays well with the populist crowd, sticking it to those evil corporates and fat cats. Certainly the industry has taken a beating in reputation and finances post Chch quakes. Not a silly idea on the face of it- high premiums in the marketplace but without having to recover losses from recent claims (unless you include EQC).

    Except… remember the last government owned/run insurance company “State Insurance” – had some of the worst policy terms, terrible reputation for paying out claims, treated claimants like criminals instead of customers, and got sold to the private sector. It will also become a political football- loss ratios be damned we have an election to win… PR disasters all over the place when the poor single mother loses a claim. Insurer of last resort, where they will be forced to insure the people who can’t get it elsewhere.

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  24. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (872 comments) says:

    To all the losers who have posted here. The truth is as follows:

    Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a potential Labour/ Greens Alliance (46.5%, down 3%) with an election winning lead over John Key’s National Party (42%, up 0.5%). Support for Key’s Coalition partners has slightly increased overall with the Maori Party 1.5% (unchanged), ACT NZ 1% (up 0.5%) and United Future 0.5% (up 0.5%).

    Support for the Labour Party is 35.5% (down 1.5%), Greens have fallen to 11% (down 1.5%), New Zealand First 4.5% (down 0.5%), Mana Party 0.5% (unchanged), Conservative Party of NZ 2.5% (up 2%) and Others 1% (unchanged).

    If a National Election were held now the latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows that although down a Labour/ Greens alliance would still win with the support of New Zealand First.

    As this poll covers both landline and mobile phones, this is a much more reliable poll. Game over folks.

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  25. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    So what you’re really saying is that the parties of the right have gained in the last month.

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  26. alwyn (411 comments) says:

    Stuff may have said that Cunliffe had accused the Government of breaking this supposed convention in his speech but I haven’t been able to find anything in the speech that has him actually saying this.
    The Standard published his planned speech and have also a video of the speech itself. He did talk about there being a possible visit by William et al in both but there was nothing in the written notes about this convention and at that point in the video he didn’t say it either.
    I haven’t watched the entire 37 minutes of the speech. I have a strong stomach but not that strong, and he may have said it somewhere else but I don’t know where.
    Does anyone know exactly where in the speech he is supposed to have said it? Stuff is a pretty awful source for this sort of thing.
    They routinely get things wrong.

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  27. Archer (204 comments) says:

    gazzmaniac: Yes, I know QEII visited in 2002, my point is that Cunliffe is telling a bold faced lie to Labour Party members and the New Zealand public, and is an unprincipled scumbag for intentionally doing so. :-)

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  28. Harriet (4,798 comments) says:

    “…….So what you’re really saying is that the parties of the right have gained in the last month…..’

    Yes…..Sidekick is saying that…..so too are the polls……..which is also saying that Cunliffs honeymoon is now officaly over!

    This exact same thing happened to Kevin Rudd too! :cool:

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  29. Bovver (168 comments) says:

    Why don’t you go back to the other whingers at the Stranded SMCS, look at the Curia Public Poll Average and you will see it is neck and neck between the National and the 2 communist parties, the Fabians are unlikely to get over 40% and therefore have no real mandate to form a Government, the party with the biggest percentage of New Zealanders voting for them is National. Put that in your herbal pipe tobacco and smoke it.

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  30. MT_Tinman (3,108 comments) says:

    Red man speak with forked tongue.

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  31. dishy (241 comments) says:

    Bovver, you may be relatively new to this site…..SCS is a master of irony and mischievous sarcasm. Patience will reward.

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  32. smttc (736 comments) says:

    Bovver, SCS is the resident alarmist and mischief maker at Whale Oil’s place. But sometimes he like to pop in here and spread the fun as well.

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  33. Keeping Stock (10,270 comments) says:

    @ Harriet – during the week, Vernon Small from Fairfax wrote that Cunliffe had not so much a honeymoon as a naughty weekend. But even that is over.

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  34. Bovver (168 comments) says:

    My apologies, thought it was Mickeysavage or Eddie in disguise

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  35. Ross12 (1,391 comments) says:

    This major “blooper” by Cunliffe will be a good test for the National Party communications machine. If they cannot make major hay out of this in the MSM then they should all be sacked and new fired up people employed before the end of this year so they are ready for election year.

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  36. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen: What are your predictions if the Conservative Party vote continues to rise?

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  37. Dazzaman (1,138 comments) says:

    Politicians are liars anyway, so who is surprised?

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