More women than men don’t want a female boss!

November 16th, 2013 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Some fascinating US research from Gallup.

Asked if they would prefer a male boss or a female boss or have no preference, 41% said no preference, 35% said a male boss and 23% a female boss.  back in  1963 66% said they would prefer a male boss and just 5% a female boss.

I’m one of those who would of course say no preference. I would note that generally I would say my female bosses have been better than my male bosses – but not in all cases. Of course I’m now self-employed so have a bastard as a boss :-)

What is fascinating in the US research is the data broken down by gender.

40% of said they would prefer a male boss (ie not a female boss) compared to just 29% of men.

Would be interesting to see if the same result occurred in NZ. Not sure it would.

I would hope that most people would say they have no preference, as it is silly to generalise. But only 32% of women said they had no preference compared to 51% of men.

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45 Responses to “More women than men don’t want a female boss!”

  1. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    “Would be interesting to see if the same result occurred in NZ. Not sure it would.”

    I don’t think it would be the same.

    Many NZ men love playing second fiddle to women.

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  2. stigie (916 comments) says:

    Many NZ men love playing second fiddle to women.

    I guess it depends on the situation they are in Reddy.

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  3. James Stephenson (2,036 comments) says:

    Also consider that the majority of sexual discrimination cases brought in the UK, are women claiming to have been discriminated against by other women.

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  4. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    Something tells me stigie that if you ever got yourself in any situation with a woman it would be the first time.

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  5. stigie (916 comments) says:

    You will never know that Reddy. Just as well you dont know my address !~

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  6. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Baity prefers women to be dominant & it all goes back to his boarding school days. One day when the discipline master was preparing to give him six of the best he told the wretched schoolboy, “By God, one day you’ll thank me for this”.

    Turns out that the master was wrong…..it’s the dominatrix at Madam Lash’s House of Pain who charges Baity $500 a session to get his rocks off who is grateful. :)

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  7. stigie (916 comments) says:

    Turns out that the master was wrong…..it’s the dominatrix at Madam Lash’s House of Pain who charges Baity $500 a session to get his rocks off who is grateful. :)

    Nasska, i thought Reddy was married and very happy………well blow me away with a feather duster !!~

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  8. bringbackdemocracy (394 comments) says:

    Has the question been asked of the Labour caucus?

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  9. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”blow me away with a feather duster”…..

    Optional & extra at Madam Lash’s stigie. :)

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  10. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    Cue smug self adoring giggle.

    What a witless yawn.

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  11. stigie (916 comments) says:

    Yea Reddy, we are just thinking of your ever increasing fan base !

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  12. Judith (7,643 comments) says:

    Hell yeah, its much harder to manipulate another woman. Give me a male boss any day!!! :-)

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  13. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    “I would hope that most people would say they have no preference,”

    Sounds like something the Guardians might also hope for.. (George Orwell)

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  14. Manolo (13,380 comments) says:

    But every woman would love to have P.G., the male-hater and feminist in shining armour, as boss.

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  15. stigie (916 comments) says:

    @ Judith
    Hell yeah, its much harder to manipulate another woman. Give me a male boss any day!!! :-)

    You may be just right there Judith, but what if he is gay ? Might not get your own way !~

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  16. Lucia Maria (2,208 comments) says:

    The one time I had female bosses, they were the worst ever. It was in the late 80′s in the Labour Dept. Seriously bad.

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  17. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    Anyone who’s been around in politics knows that one of the primary reasons female politicians sometimes struggle is — female voters. For some reason they are way harder of female candidates than men are.

    All sorts of conjecture why, but for my money it’s at some level down to insecurity. It’s surprising however often women will snipe at a pretty co-worker behind her back.

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  18. Pete George (22,853 comments) says:

    This is relevant to the aims to provide gender balance in politics. What if women votes don’t want 50% women everything? There’s likely to be many women who would vote for competence over gender.

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  19. tspoon765 (14 comments) says:

    Interestingly, another piece of research has uncovered that fact that highly attractive females are discriminated against by the female dominated HR departments of large companies, even when their resume shows they are more qualified.
    Females are a lot like the various component groups of the political left wing in one respect. They will unite as one against an outside group (men) (conservatives) when it suits, while simultaneously utterly hating each other.

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  20. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Give me a Male Boss any day. I have worked for catty woman bosses. No woman boss for me thanks.

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  21. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    My wife has worked for male and female bosses. She prefers male bosses – female bosses get bitchy and nasty and personal.

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  22. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    Species die out is the likely outcome of white western woman brainwashed in the temples of Progressivism that once were our universities.

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  23. PhilP (158 comments) says:

    Nothing wrong with being dominated by a Woman (or a Man for that matter) so long as you can handle the whips and spurs Reddy!

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  24. kowtow (7,636 comments) says:

    Our universities are not ensuring the species will die out.They are ensuring a replacement of the west’s population.

    Through a tide of third world and Muslim immigration.

    Thank goodness there are politicians in the west awake to the danger.The problem is they are branded by the media and mainstream political parties as extremist and racist.Patriotism is now a crime in the eyes of the elites.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20131113-france-netherlands-far-right-le-pen-wilders-anti-european-union-alliance

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  25. Viking2 (11,144 comments) says:

    female’s, bosses get bitchy and nasty

    there fixed that.

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  26. stigie (916 comments) says:

    @ PhilP
    Go back and read Nasska’s comment at 4.40pm. Sums it all up really !!

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  27. PhilP (158 comments) says:

    @ stigie

    “That’s Right”

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  28. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Female bosses get real bitchy once a month – but we are not allowed to say that

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  29. Reboot (85 comments) says:

    Generally people are more competitive against those of the same gender… It comes down to evolution and mating choices…

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  30. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Cato (948) Says:
    November 16th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    Anyone who’s been around in politics knows that one of the primary reasons female politicians sometimes struggle is — female voters. For some reason they are way harder of female candidates than men are.

    Any evidence for that, Cato, or are you just presenting your prejudice as facts?

    http://apr.sagepub.com/content/33/3/357.abstract

    Analyzing more than a decade of men’s and women’s voting behavior when male and female candidates face one another, I offer evidence that female candidates gain marginally greater support from their own gender. In a relationship not present with other male or female candidates, Democratic women candidates who face GOP men strongly benefit from Republican women voters’ crossover support.

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3449865?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102931073717

    We demonstrate that women gain a strategic advantage when they run “as women”, stressing issues that voters associate favourably with female candidates and targeting female voters”

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  31. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    Ummm, how is that a prejudice?

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  32. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Statements that start of with “Anyone knows” usually are, Cato.
    It is short for “I believe this to be true, but can offer no evidence for it, so I’ll just pretend that it is general knowledge”

    And besides it is a meaningless generalisation. Very much like the gender of your boss is completely meaningless whether he/she is a good boss or a bad one. A lot of factors make up a good or bad boss, some personal factors, but also depending on the company that you work in.

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  33. seanmaitland (455 comments) says:

    the only female boss I’ve had was 120KG and had a moustache. She was pretty good and no better or worse than any male bosses I’ve had.

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  34. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    Thanks for your input. It would be good if you could be a bit more precise with language – especially when using such loaded terms like “prejudice.” An observation based on experience (even a wrong one) is not a prejudice.

    If you dial back the moral outrage a bit, it might be easier to have a more constructive discussion.

    I suppose I could have said “it’s commonly believed by those who work in elections that it can be very hard to get women voters to support women candidates. This is backed up by research showing that gender is anode important factor for woman voters than it is for men. While some women are more likely to voter for candidate of the same gender, they are also more likely to be more critical of that candidate for the same reason.”

    Would that have been a more pleasing explanation for you?

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  35. Jim (400 comments) says:

    Above research results are unsurprising.

    I’ve had both male and female bosses (or contract sponsors), and I have employed both as well. I’ve also heard from male and female friends about their ‘boss’ or ‘employee’ problems for the past 25 years or so.

    Based upon all the shit I have to deal with, and what I hear: females get a harder time from female bosses than they do from males. And I hear that from both sides.

    My own take on that boils down to gender difference in competitive instinct between boss and subordinate.

    That’s a polite way of saying guys don’t feel threatened by female employees (on average), but there’s often a heap of tension between same gender on the female side. Certainly the most intense mutual disagreement I hear is from women – sometimes pretty nasty.

    Gallup research rings true.

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  36. Paulus (2,503 comments) says:

    Simple historical logic for thousands of years explains that the Male and Female brains work in different ways.
    Each has its own relative inputs and outputs, they just work it out separately..
    Having been married for 50 years I know this to be true.
    And I know who is the boss.

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  37. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    If you dial back the moral outrage a bit, it might be easier to have a more constructive discussion.

    I suppose I could have said “it’s commonly believed by those who work in elections that it can be very hard to get women voters to support women candidates. This is backed up by research showing that gender is anode important factor for woman voters than it is for men. While some women are more likely to voter for candidate of the same gender, they are also more likely to be more critical of that candidate for the same reason.”

    No moral outrage at all, Cato. Just questioning the statement you made.
    Again you simply make assertions without backing them up. Changing the phrasing makes it no better.

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  38. dime (9,458 comments) says:

    Dime wouldn’t work for a chick.

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  39. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    The fact that you labelled something a ‘prejudice’ just because you disagree with it speaks to your being overly sensitive here.

    Didn’t realise I needed to spoon feed easily Googleable information to you: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/why-arent-women-voting-fo_b_2556788.html

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  40. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    Here’s the actual study: http://www.electionstudies.org/resources/papers/Pilot2006/nes011883.pdf

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  41. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    dime (7,689) Says:
    November 17th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Dime wouldn’t work for a chick.

    —————————-

    Well….at least not for money.

    Dime is no different than the rest of us.

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  42. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “….All sorts of conjecture why, but for my money it’s at some level down to insecurity. It’s surprising however often women will snipe at a pretty co-worker behind her back….”

    Maybe then Cato it is a matter of sincerity…..female MP’s seeing to be playing the tit card against males for votes is very frowned upon by most women – as most women in the real world have to get by on ability.

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  43. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    The best & only female boss, and coach, should be the missus……

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  44. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Mrs RRM said one of the reasons she got into a ‘male’ industry (industrial electician) was she was sick of working with “stupid bitches”.

    She since learned that there are plenty of male bitches out there too, but even they are not quite as nasty as the female..

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  45. catmatt (2 comments) says:

    NZ has very little funding for research that is why stats are not available. Researchers are on their own with maybe a few hundred provided by Uni. Since there is a larger population of bi women in NZ and women who dominate men, I would estimate that female bosses would be even more oppressive in NZ than in the US or Canada. Since NZ men are fairly docile to being involved with women as a whole, they would allow female bosses to be dominating to themselves and other females as that is what they are used to- they may even support it or reward it or think nothing of it when it is going on… Feminism in NZ is very different than feminism in US & UK where heavy industry during and after WWII changed the face of US and UK women forever. Alcohol became a problem at this time and in NZ women went into light industry but went back to being homemakers- alcohol became a problem later and today. There is lack of education in NZ regarding gender biological differences. There is also insensitivity toward women when it comes to acknowledging these differences. Females in NZ are pretty masculine overall- behaviour-wise, look-wise and sexually. The Otago PhD women who decriminalized prostitution in NZ with the last needed vote coming from PM Helen Clark herself, they are proud to promote women as prostitutes or working girls… Women are pimping women in NZ, not men pimping women as much so let’s get that straight. Maori culture and Pacific culture are very male chauvinistic so this overplays into NZ culture as a whole. Many Pacific Island women are bi or lesbian because of it. In saying all this, a stable and level-headed boss is worth their weight in gold and sex should not come into it if they are a good understanding person. Overall I do find NZ female bosses much more dominating and controlling than men bosses but I cannot say all of them but probably the majority of them who are- displaced EVES who believe that mimicking men will allow them to gain equality to men. NZ feminism is 10 years behind US and UK if not more…

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