Stoned in charge of a balloon

November 1st, 2013 at 7:20 am by David Farrar

Stuff reported:

Chief Commissioner John Marshall QC said he could not say for sure how much use, either long-term or recent, had contributed to the Carterton accident.
 
“While it is difficult to say how much each type of use contributed to the result, cannabis is known to affect a person’s judgement and decision-making ability,” TAIC said.
 
“Poor judgement and poor decision-making were factors contributing to this accident. The commission found that the pilot’s use of cannabis could not be excluded as a factor contributing to his errors of judgement, and therefore to the accident.”
 
“Both long term and recent use of cannabis may significantly impair a person’s performance of their duties, especially those involving complex tasks.”
 
He had levels of THC – an active ingredient of cannabis – of 2 micrograms per litre of blood.
 
On the balance of probabilities, that level of THC resulted from both longer term and recent use, TAIC said.
 
“On reviewing the evidence available, it was highly likely that the pilot smoked cannabis on the morning of the flight.”
 
Two witnesses had seen him smoking on the balcony of a shed shortly before the flight.
 
The pilot was not known to smoke regular cigarettes and his urine tested negative for cotinine, which was normally found in the urine of someone who smoked regular tobacco.

That’s appalling that a balloon operator would be smoking cannabis just before a commercial flight. 11 people died in one of the more horrific ways possible – burnt alive in a small basket up in the sky. If had survived, he could well be facing manslaughter charges.

Tour operators must be tested for drugs, families of the victims of the Carterton tragedy say after a damning report.

The call came as the Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) said it had investigated six incidents in the past 10 years where people had tested positive for performance-impairing substances. Thirty-five people had died in those accidents.

The commission called for more stringent laws around alcohol and drugs in the transport sector.

I suspect drugs such as cannabis play a significant role in our road toll also.

The full report is here. They note:

Both long-term and recent use of cannabis may significantly impair a person’s performance of their duties, especially those involving complex tasks. Under no circumstances should operators of transport vehicles, or crew members and support crew with safety-critical roles, ever use it.

Indeed. Hitting the power lines wasn’t the fatal part of the accident. It was the decision to try and rise above them, rather than descend, which turned it from a likely bruising crash landing to the biggest aviation death toll since Erebus.

 

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60 Responses to “Stoned in charge of a balloon”

  1. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    Cannabis use has become a major handbrake on the country. I think the current liberal attitude to it has been disastrous for the economy. If we legalise it, nothing will ever get done. Look at the Far North and the East Coast.

    I think cannabis users should not receive any welfare cheques. They can get stuffed. And forestry workers etc who have accidents while stoned shouldn’t receive a dime either. It’s rife in some of these provincial industries

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  2. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    But we are always hearing about the health benefits of this harmless herb………………….
    ………….eh………………..?
    ………whoar……………………….

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  3. Elaycee (4,304 comments) says:

    Eleven lives… an appalling tragedy.

    Two victims even jumped from the burning basket in an effort to avoid being incinerated.

    Yet, despite the evidence, the usual morons want us to go along with the brain fart that cannabis should be legalised…..

    Scary.

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  4. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    The Prog Powers That Be, want marijuana to be legalized so citizens are too stoned to revolt. :cool:

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  5. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Interesting you mention Erebus though DPF… at great risk of opening a can of worms, I seem to recall the authorities – and everyone else concerned – were quick to blame pilot error then too… I hope the process is better now!

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  6. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    And before the morons start posting, this:

    Prohibition hasn’t worked! – no, it hasn’t because like everything else there is no meaningful punishment for anything in NZ.

    I’ll quote the Russian prison guard who replied to an English BBC journalist’s concerns last night about the treatment of the ‘Arctic 30′

    “Your Western prisons are soft”

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  7. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Yeah, if he would have been drunk, everyone would be demanding to outlaw alcohol, right?

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  8. Changeiscoming (140 comments) says:

    DPF, Labour, Greens, ACT/libertarians & most likely a big chunk of liberal National all advocate legalising the stuff. Stupid!

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  9. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Coincidentally Peter Dunne raised some cannabis hopes with his recent ‘thinking’ on addressing existing drug law with a similar approach as the Psychoactive Substances Act – see NORML likes Peter Dunne’s new thinking – but will have lowered them with his follow up comment: Reaction to Dunne’s drug comments

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  10. Scott Chris (5,883 comments) says:

    Cannabis use has become a major handbrake on the country. I think the current liberal attitude to it has been disastrous for the economy. If we legalise it, nothing will ever get done.

    Do try to be objective. If cannabis were to be legalised the consumption of it is unlikely to increase. 13% of New Zealanders actively use cannabis where the use of it is illegal. 4% of Dutch actively use cannabis where the use of it is decriminalised. Mind you, if you want Black Power and The Mongrel Mob to keep their major source of revenue, then go ahead and keep it illegal.

    But as far operating a commercial hot air balloon operation whilst stoned is concerned – retarded. I agree that commercial tour operators should be randomly drug tested.

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  11. kowtow (7,644 comments) says:

    Prohibition hasn’t worked……

    ……as long as Hollyweird,the MSM in general,the literati etc,and now political parties promote it then we really are fighting a tide……

    How often do you hear the celebrity types and their adoring interviewers say ‘If you can remember the 60′s you weren’t there”guffaw guffaw”.

    I’ve heard that more than once on RNZ. My taxes paying for the glorification and glamorisation of drug culture. No thank you.

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  12. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    I think the case for making it illegal for commercial pilots and drivers of motor vehicles to be stoned, is different than the case for cannabis to be declared a verboten substance though.

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  13. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    The Prog Powers That Be, want marijuana to be legalized so citizens are too stoned to revolt.

    In his foreword to Brave New World – a society where every care and trouble is washed away by being spaced out on soma – Aldoux Huxley wrote:

    As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends to compensatingly increase. And the dictator will do well to encourage that freedom. In conjunction with that freedom to daydream under the influence of dope and movies and the radio, it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate.

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  14. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    Don’t expect stoners to ever accept that their beloved, precious ‘Sacred Herb’ was responsible for this piece of shit slaughtering ten people..
    Their drug-addled brains just wont accept that it is a nasty,harmful drug…

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  15. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    Scott Chris: “Do try to be objective”

    Do try not to be so patronising. It’s creepy before 8 am.

    “If cannabis were to be legalised the consumption of it is unlikely to increase”

    You happy to take that risk? I’m not. Not with a no fault ACC system and a massively generous welfare state.

    “Mind you, if you want Black Power and The Mongrel Mob to keep their major source of revenue, then go ahead and keep it illegal”

    I knew it wouldn’t take long for this classic. How about we just deal with the criminal gangs like they are in Australia? Even if cannabis is made legal and the gangs “have their major source of revenue taken away”, don’t you think they’ll just find something else?

    Fool

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  16. Manolo (13,386 comments) says:

    Coincidentally Peter Dunne raised some cannabis hopes..

    Coincidentally?

    What hasn’t Dunne done in the eyes of his faithful servant P.G.? From addressing issues of vital importance, to discover nuclear fission, to invent the motor engine, to excavate Pompeii and so on.

    The whore is a polymath, a true genius!

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  17. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Longknives – I thought the pilot was responsible?

    If he’d been pissed the result could have been just as disastrous.

    That attitude of yours is why we see so many pissed-up teenagers causing shit. The booze is responsible!

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  18. iMP (2,245 comments) says:

    If we legalise dope and add to it synthetic cannabis and alcohol in the already toxic mix, we don’t think our child’s’ teacher/your doctor/pilot/brain surgeon/air traffic control officer, won’t at some time use prior? It’ll be like Jenny Shipley again , “young people can drink responsibly, let’s lower the drinking age.”

    Legalising things (ie bans) helps frame society. Thats why liberals legalised homosexual marriage.

    If cannabis is legal (ie there are no sanctions) then how do we get rid of the dead beats now living in our malls, parks and public spaces, infecting no-hope young people with their liberalities and growing the comatose underclass we are so verdantly nurturing in NZ?

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  19. Colville (2,082 comments) says:

    duggledog.
    The gangs wont find an alternative income source because it doesnt exist.
    You think the Mob will become market gardeners? Compete with the asians and actually have to work?
    Legalise it and tax it.

    and random drug tests in the work place will become commonplace. Smoke dope and you are sacked. Simple.

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  20. Lance (2,454 comments) says:

    @RRM
    The slightest amount of alcohol or drugs like cannabis actually have a huge impact on high judgement situations like flying.
    It’s not a matter of being pissed, it’s a matter of none whatsoever.
    First hand experience (many moons ago) was I had a single glass of wine 12 hours before flying once, it took me 3 attempts to land. Fuck, never did that again.
    Huge eye opener, yes we had it drilled into us in training but youngsters always think they know better.
    Makes me look at the driving limit and think, bloody hell, people can actually drive pissed legally in NZ.

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  21. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    Colville – what I’m saying is legalising it just so some filthy rock apes will lose their major source of income seems to be winning a battle and losing a war. They have plenty of other avenues, prostitution, stealing, extortion, meth.

    They are not known for paying tax either. Random drug tests and drug sniffer dogs are already present and making a pretty reasonable headway.

    Eszett – using your logic let’s legalise P because it doesn’t feature in road fatalities.

    iMP your last para nailed it. I’ve seen too many friends throw away their lives because getting stoned makes everything so nice. Cannabis kills motivation

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  22. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    My point was more that I am sick to death of hearing the ‘Pro Cannabis’ brigade, NORML, The Greens etc etc bleating on at us about what a wondrous,harmless drug Cannabis is and how it does so much good in the community..
    We even had Philu (former spokesman for the ‘Pro Cannabis’ brigade here on Kiwiblog) a while back saying that Cannabis was good for developing children’s brains!
    Fucking pothead losers…

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  23. Fisiani (953 comments) says:

    No commercial passenger carrying vehicle should ever be driven, sailed, flown or propelled in any way by someone who is under the influence of any drug known to impair performance.
    No surgeon should ever operate under the influence of any drug known to impair performance.
    No parent with small children in the house should ever supervise under the influence of any drug known to impair performance
    When you have responsibility for someone’s life you have to be responsible.
    Responsibility means never being drunk or stoned when you have to care for others.

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    If this argument is used to keep cannabis illegal and the gangs therefore profitable, then it must equally apply to an argument that alcohol should also be illegal because of the high number of drivers involved in fatal car crashes who have blood alcohol readings over the limit. Oh that’s right alcohol prohibition didn’t work.

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  25. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Alcohol should be made illegal.

    Alcohol kills far more people than 11 in a balloon each and every single year.

    So come on you big brave commenters – have the conviction of your beliefs and call for alcohol to be banned too. Or simply drown like simpletons in your pools of hypocrisy…. no credibility

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  26. Scott (1,709 comments) says:

    Agree with the above. My uncle used to be in charge of forestry gangs and he told me that he would be talking to young people instructing them about dangerous equipment. But he could tell the ones that were likely cannabis users, his instructions just wasn’t going in.

    Cannabis is very addictive and so people will smoke it in dangerous situations when they shouldn’t. So I would like to see us crackdown on cannabis more.

    How many young people have got no motivation and no job and spend their lives smoking dope? Heaps! We have to import farmworkers from the Philippines because no young New Zealanders will do the job, they are too busy collecting the unemployment benefit and smoking dope.

    It’s a very dangerous drug and it ruins lives and ruins communities. One of the saddest images was the cafe in Carterton all set out for a celebration breakfast after the balloon ride. No one ever came of course, they had all perished.

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  27. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Oh look, the thumbs down is getting the votes, how surprising.

    Perhaps one of those wise people can explain why alcohol should not be attended to in the exact same manner as cannabis.

    Ban alcohol

    Make alcohol illegal

    It rots the brain. It damages the organs. It makes the person absolutely fucking useless from the point of tippsy well through the following day to usually the one after. It causes users to bash others, absue them and get violent. It causes very poor judgment.

    Ban alcohol

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  28. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Scott, every single thing you said applies to alcohol to an even greater extent. Are you a supporter of banning alcohol?

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  29. Nigel Kearney (864 comments) says:

    The alcohol comparison is the key point here. This example does not show that cannabis should be treated any different from alcohol, unless you are suggesting that being drunk in charge of the balloon would have been ok. The ‘highly addictive’ thing is just not true either. The ratio of infrequent cannabis users to regular cannabis users is high. By contrast there are very few occasional P users.

    You have to love the “he could tell the ones that were likely cannabis users” people. I once had a conversation with a teacher who was telling me all about how cannabis affected kids motivation and ability to concentrate. I asked her how she could tell which kids were using it. After some more questions it turned she “could tell” that the ones who didn’t work hard and pay attention were obviously the drug users.

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  30. Paulus (2,503 comments) says:

    Whatever is done about Cannabis it must be remembered that the staple part of Northland’s economy is cannabis growing

    – years ago it was estimated that it represented $40 million to the Northland economy.

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  31. kowtow (7,644 comments) says:

    vto

    Where do you stand on cannabis,should it be legalised?

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  32. kowtow (7,644 comments) says:

    paulus

    How much welfare gets paid to Northland?

    I reckon dope growing is a supplement to welfare.

    If these people are such good horticulturalists then why not grow tomatoes or avocadoes? But that wouldn’t do.Honest endevour doesn’t cut it these days.

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  33. JMS (303 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,720) Says:
    November 1st, 2013 at 7:42 am

    …….

    Yet, despite the evidence, the usual morons want us to go along with the brain fart that cannabis should be legalised…..

    Scary.

    With that kind of mixed up logic, one could be forgiven for thinking you’re a chronic user of something yourself.

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  34. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    The ‘holier than thou’ ranters ran out of puff quickly this morning, maybe they’re stoners after all – just trying to ‘cover up’ by being hysterical.

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  35. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    Anyone know how much the gangs actually make from selling cannabis? You know, that stuff that it’s OK to grow ‘for your own personal use’? I’m not sure it’s the cornerstone of their empires.

    vto: the alcohol v cannabis debate is pointless. We’ve been far, far too liberal with both to the point where you are twice as likely to die on a NZ road as a UK road, a lot of that is alcohol related.

    The vast majority of alcohol users use it responsibly. Unlike cannabis, you know if someone’s been on the piss before you climb into a hot air balloon because you can smell it. Alcohol is more associated with refinement; fine wines, single malts, craft beers. Wine as you know is a massive export earner. Cannabis is associated with losers, and shit music.

    I just don’t think legalising cannabis is the answer to anything. And I think banning alcohol is similarly problematic.

    The answer would surely be to crack down much harder on alcohol related behaviours; look at the recidivist drunk drivers – a paltry 6 months suspension when everyone knows you can get a ‘work licence’, and a pathetic fine. The answer would be to shut down all the bloody booze shops in South Auckland – know how many there are? 500. All the cops ever do in South and West Auckland is attend to alcohol related ‘domestics’.

    kowtow: cannabis cultivation IS a supplement to the welfare cheque. Has been for years, in Northland anyway and the East Coast.

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  36. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    I would be happy to legalise cannabis.

    So long as:

    My tax does not go towards your welfare cheque because you have lost your motivation
    My car insurance premiums do not go up when you have a car accident
    My ACC premium does not cover you when you weren’t quick enough to get away from a falling tree in the Kaingaroa
    My tax does not cover your self imposed mental health treatment after 5 – 10 years smoking
    My tax does not cover your lung cancer treatment
    My tax does not pay for your child’s ‘special school’ when it turns out they have Issues

    Sound fair?

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  37. JMS (303 comments) says:

    RRM (8,185) Says:
    November 1st, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I think the case for making it illegal for commercial pilots and drivers of motor vehicles to be stoned, is different than the case for cannabis to be declared a verboten substance though.

    Exactly, but for most commenters here the mere mention of the word cannabis transports them to a state of mind with the reasoning ability of a stoner.

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  38. JMS (303 comments) says:

    @ Duddledog

    Yes, sounds very fair.

    But runs totally against prevalent nanny-state thinking.

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  39. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Cannabis being illegal has had no effect whatsoever. Considering how easy it is to get cannabis why bother making it illegal, everyone who wants to get stoned can get stoned with ease so decriminalising it is hardly going to turn the country into a bunch of stoners.

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  40. Fisiani (953 comments) says:

    Having a beer or a glass of wine does not render you dangerous in charge of a vehicle.
    One joint of cannabis does render you dangerous.
    The issue is about being drunk or stoned, not about alcohol or cannabis.

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  41. redeye (631 comments) says:

    Amazing how so many posters claiming to be conservative think we should regulate personal behaviour. No wonder there is bugger all self responsibility in this country.

    Drug and alcohol test pilots, drivers and workers all you like but don’t tell me what I can and cannot ingest in my own backyard. It’s none of your fucken business.

    @ Duddledog – indeed it does sound fair. How about we apply that logic to alcohol, tobacco & indeed over consumption of sugar?

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  42. Lance (2,454 comments) says:

    The issues seem to be mixed here.

    The issue as I see it, this is a thread about impairment and it’s tragic consequences. Not if said impairing substances should be banned or not.
    It’s so easy to just ban things, it’s a no-brainer, but is nanny state and the realm of control freaks.

    There should be more policing and higher consequences for impaired operation of vehicles or engaging in high judgement activities.
    Less rules, more consequences.

    The trouble with more rules all the time is people actually are less responsible because they consider they are within the limit (whatever it may be) so are free to act irresponsible.
    Way too much of that shit going on.

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  43. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    I haven’t got any personal interest in cannabis – apart from having just passed the anniversary of a nephew dying from a drug concoction that included cannabis (and alcohol).

    But I think we (the country as a whole and Parliament) need to have a wide ranging discussion about the risks and the inevitably of continued widespread use of cannabis. And from that it needs to be decided what to do about laws relating to cannabis.

    We have obvious law and policing issues that need to be addressed.

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  44. Elaycee (4,304 comments) says:

    With that kind of mixed up logic, one could be forgiven for thinking you’re a chronic user of something yourself

    Whaaat?

    But thank you, JMS, for providing us with a copy of your application to join the Morons Club.

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  45. JMS (303 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,722) Says:
    November 1st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    With that kind of mixed up logic, one could be forgiven for thinking you’re a chronic user of something yourself

    Whaaat?

    But thank you, JMS, for providing us with a copy of your application to join the Morons Club.

    Ignoring the fact that you just admitted to running the Morons Club; for the best answer to your ‘Whaaat?’ question read Redeye at 9:56 am.

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  46. Ross12 (1,153 comments) says:

    My story on cannabis is that I used to think that if someone wanted to smoke it that is their business. I wasn’t interested in it but others –that was their decision.
    Then about 15 years ago I met a young guy who was taking a year from University. He had done first year medicine and got into Med School very easily. Apparently at that time you could take up your “seat” in med school that you had qualified for any time in the next seven years ( not sure if that still applies). He took his time off in an area where there was alot of cannabis smoking among the young people. About 5 years later I asked him when he was going to Med School –he said could not do it now because his short term memory “was stuffed”. He explained he did well at school and first year university because he was blessed with a very good short term memory. So he did well in exams. After a few years of cannabis use that ability was lost and so was his desire to become a doctor.
    Since then my view on cannabis has changed.

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  47. Dean Papa (743 comments) says:

    Probably for the best. While a good short term memory is very helpful for passing exams with a minimum of effort, you soon forget almost everything about the subject after a few weeks or months. Which cannot be good if you are going to be a doctor.

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  48. duggledog (1,361 comments) says:

    Cannabis stays in the body for weeks even months as it is stored in the fatty tissue. Alcohol goes through the liver and kidneys and you’re good to go.

    It’s fuckin poison

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  49. laworder (269 comments) says:

    Lance wrote

    The slightest amount of alcohol or drugs like cannabis actually have a huge impact on high judgement situations like flying.
    It’s not a matter of being pissed, it’s a matter of none whatsoever.
    First hand experience (many moons ago) was I had a single glass of wine 12 hours before flying once, it took me 3 attempts to land. Fuck, never did that again.
    Huge eye opener, yes we had it drilled into us in training but youngsters always think they know better.
    Makes me look at the driving limit and think, bloody hell, people can actually drive pissed legally in NZ.

    This is actually a key point. And the reason I agree with those that are campaigning for a lower DIC limit.
    I can see problems with legalising cannabis as other have pointed out.
    Perhaps to be consistent, given that alcohol does do more damage, we should look at heavier regulation of alcohol?
    As Lance has also said, more than anything this is about impairment, and making people face the full consequences of their actions as a result of their impairment

    Regards
    Peter Jenkins
    http://www.sst.org.nz

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  50. edhunter (498 comments) says:

    The way I see it this isn’t about Cannabis & more on compulsory & random drug/alcohol tests for certain jobs/industries.
    There’s a host of other substances including over the counter & prescription medicines I’d rather my pilot, builder, doctor etc not be on.

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  51. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @duggledog

    “Alcohol is more associated with refinement; fine wines, single malts, craft beers. Wine as you know is a massive export earner. Cannabis is associated with losers, and shit music”

    ———————-

    Your argument is retarded. If you think alcohol is associated with refinement then you have obviously never visited the drunk tank at a Police station.

    Alcohol is associated with violence, sexual assault, and disorderly behaviour.

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  52. hemihua (31 comments) says:

    I hate to pull out the old ‘but its not as bad as alcohol’ argument, but following on from the logic displayed in half these posts we should also ban alcohol as people have died / killed others / had accidents while under its influence. Shall we ban everything else that may kill people too? Sports, knives, animals, heights, leaving the house too much, not leaving the house enough, eating bad food…

    How is it that say banning soft drinks is considered ‘nanny state’ but banning cannabis isn’t? Or the government knowing best can be lefty socialist crap but you sitting in your armchair telling me what I can and can’t do because it upsets your moral compass isn’t?

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  53. kowtow (7,644 comments) says:

    Cannabis is already banned,for good reason.

    If you want to reduce harm ,why fucken introduce a a new dangerous ,harmful agent?

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  54. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @kowtow

    The accepted adult lifetime cannabis prevalence rate in NZ is 41.9%. This means that 41.9% of NZ adults over the age of 16 will consume cannabis at least once in their lifetime.

    The corresponding rare in the USA is 51.6%

    It makes no sense to talk about cannabis as being a “new” substance, as it is widely consumed and has been for some time.

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  55. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9353967/Someone-should-have-stopped-the-pilot

    You deluded potheads should try telling this grieving daughter that Cannabis is a “harmless” drug….

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  56. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @Longknives

    No drug is harmless. But the scientific consensus is that Cannabis causes less harm than almost any other drug, including tobacco and alcohol.

    Piloting a balloon – or any other aircraft – under the influence of cannabis is not harmless. Which is why nobody in this discussion has defended the pilot or his appalling lack of judgment.

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  57. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    But defending this idiot’s actions are exactly what you potheads have been doing Gump…. “But alcohol is much worse wah wah…”
    If a drunk driver killed ten people in an horrendous fiery accident I wouldn’t come on here and start banging on about “well crack cocaine is much worse!”
    My whole point is that Cannabis is a drug- It is harmful (yes just like alcohol and tobacco)
    I love a good Scotch- Imagine the howls of laughter if I started promoting it’s ‘health benefits’ and ‘all the good it does in the community’? (Just like the ‘Pro Cannabis brigade are constantly bombarding us with….)
    I have no problem with decriminalisation but don’t try and tell me that Cannabis is some kind of ‘wondrous, magical gift’ and a ‘Sacred Herb’ that has no harmful side effects. The balloon slaughter is a very good example otherwise.

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  58. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @Longknives

    “But defending this idiot’s actions are exactly what you potheads have been doing Gump…. ”

    ——————–

    No – we are not.

    The first four posts in this discussion (and many that follow) attack cannabis for its alleged harm. Our replies refute those allegations using logic and peer-reviewed scientific studies.

    The tragedy in this case isn’t the cannabis. It’s the pilot’s appalling lack of judgement and callous disregard for safety.

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  59. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    So you are claiming Cannabis had nothing to do with it then Gump??
    Typical stoner- brain fried and unable to see any bad in their precious ‘Sacred Herb’…

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  60. Clive Peters (1 comment) says:

    Hi All,
    Did anyone actually read the final report or did they just go on the total Media bullshit hype….. and make assumptions for themselves?

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