Too stupid to breed – Roast Busters

November 5th, 2013 at 3:20 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

A portrait emerging of the teenager at the centre of Roast Busters scandal shows a young man obsessed with group sex with his childhood friend – and who had little regard for issues of consent and respect towards women.

Police are investigating the group of Auckland men, understood to be aged 17 and 18, who allegedly had group sex with drunk teenage girls and bragged about it online. The allegations were first brought to their attention two years ago, and there has been criticism about the delay.

It’s bad enough to think there is something good or cool about having sex with people too drunk to consent (and underage), but a certain kind of stupid to also brag about it online.

Hales’ main partner in the ”Roast Busters” sex gang appeared to be his mate Joseph Levall Parker, 18, but Hales denied there was anything ”gay” about having group sex with his friend.

”We have all been very good mates for years so we are comfortable around each other, we even walk around naked? [sic]”

Psychologists could have fun with that one.

Another of the girls has told 3 News that she only had sex with the Roast Busters because she was drunk.

”I just kept blacking out ’cause I had drunken too much,” she says. ”You could say I got raped. I had sex with three guys at one time.”

Under the law, someone does not consent to sexual activity ”if the activity occurs while he or she is so affected by alcohol or some other drug that he or she cannot consent or refuse to consent to the activity”.

If she was blacking out, there is no doubt she was unable to consent.

I think there is always a good question to ask if you in a situation where alcohol is involved. It is whether you think the other person in the morning will be happy about what happened, once they are sober. If you have any doubt about the answer being yes, then don’t go there.

It’s very sad that these young guys had a culture of acceptance of predatory behaviour (at best) or (at worst), and that it has taken so long for them to get the message how unacceptable it is.

If some victims come forward to complain, that will be a good thing – and send out a strong message.

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99 Responses to “Too stupid to breed – Roast Busters”

  1. dime (10,207 comments) says:

    dudes walking around in front of each other – gay.

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  2. tvb (4,553 comments) says:

    His sexuality is vague to put it at best. But having sex with young women too drunk to give informed consent could be rape if the women see it that way. Hence the need for a complaint of having unwanted sex. Maybe the young women thought it was cool to have sex with these guys.

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  3. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    It’s pretty bad – but this shit goes on every day in NZ and in this world. There’s a lot of bad shit happening everywhere, what can you do?

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  4. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    These guys were probably brought up in single mother homes.

    No fathers.

    Another result of losing the cultural war to the progressives over the last 50 years.

    (and what kind of fathers will they make?)

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  5. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    It is behaviour like this that makes me question whether democracy is in fact the ideal?

    I know we are told its the ‘ultimate’ of human societies, but really, is it? This sort of example makes me question whether in fact there are some in society that are just too stupid to vote – to have a say in how our country is run. This is a prime example – I doubt these young men will ever have the mindset that makes them worthwhile contributors to the community.

    I realise it is a long stretch to start doubting democracy and I can’t believe I’m doing it – but ????

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  6. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (6,091) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    We actually know that two of them have high profile fathers, one a police officer and the other a hollywood actor. Go figure???

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  7. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    “We actually know that two of them have high profile fathers”

    Here is some news Jude- All people have fathers.

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  8. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    There’s a lot of bad shit happening everywhere, what can you do?

    If enough speak up about it a lot can be done. If public pressure becomes peer pressure it can change behaviour.

    Two or three guys having sex together using (and abusing) a girl who is too drunk to do anything about it will repulse many people, especially if they deliberately get her drunk to enable it.

    Now it’s become very public they won’t be very attractive for many decent females or their families.

    Their publicity seeking is well and truly hoisting themselves by their own petard.

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  9. duggledog (1,619 comments) says:

    Gays definitely Dime.

    Red, I’d say there was either an absent mother, absent father, or both of them were home but just weren’t interested. I have contemporaries who neither know nor care what their kids are up to and haven’t since they were about ten. We’re Decile Nine.

    I reckon theses boys will never recover from this. It will stay with them forever. Sure they’ll be ‘notorious with the bro’s’ but when the girls get a bit older and start looking round properly for the right boy to start a life with, these guys will be left behind.

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  10. Manolo (14,160 comments) says:

    It is behaviour like this that makes me question whether democracy is in fact the ideal?

    Be my guest and spare us all. Shift to Cuba without delay.

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  11. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter

    These are ‘active’ fathers, not sperm donors.

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  12. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (11,063) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Communism isn’t any better is it? Dictatorships don’t always work/ seldom work. Who knows what the answer is, but some people just shouldn’t be allowed a say – the present example especially. Do you seriously think these idiots should be allowed to influence decisions regarding our country’s wellbeing – i.e. vote?

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  13. Andrei (2,653 comments) says:

    That’s funny, if you are the leader of the opposition adultery doesn’t affect your ability to do your job it was claimed, as I recall.

    If you are the mayor of Auckland, adultery shouldn’t affect your position

    But if you are a young man having sex with slags will get you crucified in the media.

    Our elites are crass, here is a post on this very blog crowing about how Kiwi women are (allegedly) the most promiscuous in the world and now the handwringing.

    Those of us who are parents have to struggle against the pernicious cultural elites of this nation to raise our sons and daughters to be wholesome individuals, boys to respect girls and women and our girls to become women worthy of respect all while living in what has become a cultural sewer

    phtttt

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  14. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    So if the girl is pissed it is “rape”. So what about if the guy is pissed too ? Who is the rapist and who is the victim ?

    Sounds to me like silly young people behaving badly. Retrospective regret does not turn it into rape.

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Andrei (2,201) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    If you can’t understand the difference between rape, and sex which is consented to by both parties (who are of age to do so) , then I feel really sorry for you.

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  16. Peter (1,694 comments) says:

    When he walks around with his mate naked, is he “bone daddy”?

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  17. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    These are ‘active’ fathers,

    God save us from this politically correct shit parroted by braindead prog losers.

    Why are they not just “fathers” period?

    “Active fathers”… pffffttt for fuck’s fucking sake.

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (8,711) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    The difference in this situation is that the male concerned deliberately got the females intoxicated, some of which were underage, with the intention of having sex with them. At the time they made the decision to go in search of their victims, they were sober. Which shows intent in my opinion.

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  19. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Recbaiter

    Grow up. You’re the one that pointed out that everyone has a father. I was pointing out that these fathers were actively involved in the raising of their sons. There is a difference between someone that gets a woman pregnant but is not active in the childs life, and someone that is. Nothing to do with being politically correct – not everything is about your obsession.

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  20. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Who is the rapist and who is the victim ?

    When several guys get a girl boozed up to the stage she is blotto and then have group sex with her it will be fairly obvious to most people.

    When guys get that drunk they are unlikely to be able to perform.

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  21. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    Damn you progs and what you have done to our society.

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  22. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    “I was pointing out that these fathers were actively involved in the raising of their sons. ”

    What the fuck does “actively involved” mean?

    You have so far not offered one shred of evidence that the families live together with the father playing the traditional patriarchal role.

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  23. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    You’ve never enjoyed the delights of a spit roast Dime? I’m surprised… ;-)

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  24. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Oh and I love how weddy alleges without a shred of evidence that absent fathers must be to blame, then demands “evidence” of the contrary.

    What a nauseating little gob of santorum you are baiter.

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  25. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    These guys were probably brought up in single mother homes.

    No fathers.

    Then: “Here is some news Jude- All people have fathers.”

    Then: “You have so far not offered one shred of evidence that the families live together with the father playing the traditional patriarchal role.”

    And Red hasn’t offered one shred of evidence either.

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  26. dubya (245 comments) says:

    Beraiah and Joseph are good biblical names though, Redbaiter!

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  27. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (6,096) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Idiot! Since when does a father have to live in the same house to be a parent that is concerned, and has a positive influence on their child’s wellbeing and upbringing. If that was the case, two generations that had fathers absent due to the world wars would be out raping people, according to your reasoning.

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  28. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    “Idiot! Since when does a father have to live in the same house to be a parent that is concerned, and has a positive influence on their child’s wellbeing and upbringing.”

    In civilised societies, eternally.

    In NZ, not since the FITH progs like you started running things.

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  29. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    Pity most of the trolls on here haven’t been taught English.

    If they had, they’d know the worth of the word “probably” and recognise the difference between qualifying a statement such and stating something with certainty.

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  30. duggledog (1,619 comments) says:

    Anyone want to posit a view on who will be dealt with most severely by our ‘justice system’ –

    One of these Roast Busters, or

    A vigilante who pops round and gives them a good old fashioned hiding.

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (6,097) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    You’re not only an idiot, you don’t even understand the term prog and continually use it in the wrong context. It’s one thing making the occasional mistake, but when its persistent, you really have to wonder what your intentions are Red, or whether there is some endemic problem that reaches beyond your posting habits.

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  32. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    This is another of those prog issues that don’t have any effect on anyone else-

    ie, “divorce is between the two people concerned and has no effect on me”

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ duggledog (661) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Probably the vigilante, who will probably be older, and ‘should have known better’, also there will no doubt be violence involved, and as these little darlings will probably never be found guilty in a Court of law, and therefore be ‘innocent’, the vigilante will have no excuse. Of course, there is no defense of ‘Provocation’ so even if one of the victims fathers was involved, he would have no defense.

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  34. dubya (245 comments) says:

    A good punishment would be to put Joseph Parker the sex pest in the ring with Joseph Parker the boxer. No gloves.

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  35. SHG (321 comments) says:

    The impulse to participate in group sex is a pretty simple and natural one for male mammals. If you copulate with a female soon after a previous male that means you are able to remove his sperm and replace it with your own, increasing the chances of passing on your genes while simultaneously harming the other male’s chances of passing on his.

    Doesn’t mean it’s acceptable in modern society but to say it’s evidence of latent homosexuality or mental illness on the part of the participants is just plain wrong. It reflects a deep-seated evolutionary drive to ensure that if there’s a male having sex with a female, you’re having sex with her too, as soon after the previous guy has finished as possible.

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  36. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Euw. :oops:

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  37. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    These poor blokes are getting publicly crucified. Their entire internet history is being thoroughly scrutinized. I find it a little disturbing, given they are yet to be charged, let alone found guilty of any crime. The only crime they are guilty of so far is being pathetic losers. I can see a lot of unhappiness in their future lives. I could be proven wrong, but I suspect their dreams of making it in the rap scene will not be fulfilled. While apparently they have already lost their jobs. Meanwhile a convicted paedophile is given name suppression. The interests of these lads has not been protected. If only they had been given a kick up the backside when their activities first came to light, then they could have avoided all this trouble, which may well result in the ruin of their lives. But Beraiah is one funny dude, at least!

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  38. superflynz (14 comments) says:

    @ Dean Papa

    http://ask.fm/beraiah

    I’m not a father, but read that and tell me if it doesn’t make your blood boil. One of the comments four months ago said “ive already spoken to the police and im not going to jail… sooooo”. He then proceeds to name girls he has ‘roasted’, those he would, and those he wouldnt.

    I recognise the presumption of innocence. I also recognise privilege against self incrimination. He has waived his privilege.

    Some of the comments from the girls, knowing that they do this to other girls, profess their admiration for these guys on that page. You have to wonder what we as a society have become when some young women see this as a way of gaining attention, only to later find out that it wasn’t the attention she wanted at all.

    We talk about social media leaving a footprint, and watch what you say online, etc.. wow, these guys must be the dumbest dropkicks to ever use the internet.

    I can excuse the cops saying they need more evidence. I can’t excuse the apologist crap you are spouting, Dean Papa. If only someone gave them a kick up their backside? Would that be before or after they raped a loved one of yours?

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  39. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @RedBaiter – stop making up bullshit you twat. The only one who the burden of proof is on is you, because you are the one making ludicrous assumptions that are completely unfounded.

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  40. gump (1,676 comments) says:

    @Andre

    “But if you are a young man having sex with slags will get you crucified in the media.”

    ———————-

    Really? You’re describing the girls who were raped as “slags”?

    With all due respect – what the fuck is your problem? Are you retarded? Were you dropped on the head as a baby?

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  41. cha (4,129 comments) says:

    Euw.

    But true.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=secrets-of-the-phallus&print=true

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  42. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    SHG

    You are quite right they are nothing but apes.

    The rest of us though are human beings.With consciences.

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  43. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    “you are the one making ludicrous assumptions that are completely unfounded.”

    Where is the proof of this assertion?

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  44. SHG (321 comments) says:

    We’re all apes, and without the benefit of those deep sexual drives none of us would be here – our ancestors would have been outcompeted. What these young men have done is natural and normal for our species; but it’s unacceptable in our culture.

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  45. dime (10,207 comments) says:

    “You’ve never enjoyed the delights of a spit roast Dime? I’m surprised… ”

    its been a while! 2005 was probably the last time?!

    funnily enough, my buddy and i were smashed and she was sober!

    my buddy finished quickly and just sat there watching. that was creepy. i had to take her into the bathroom.

    great night though.

    took a heap of pics.. was in Anaheim of all places.. i should have the roll developed heh

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  46. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    Tell ya what would be funny….

    if someone made that c#nt lick the mess up he so “funnily” made all the while kicking his sorry arse !

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  47. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (743 comments) says:

    Dean
    That milk prank is just a copycat – and poorly done

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  48. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    Copycat and poorly done.

    It looks likes these dickheads have been inspired by the Jack Ass films.

    If you’ve got kids get it out cos that’s what seems to pass as “humour” these days.

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  49. wf (480 comments) says:

    Trial by internet. Sounds fair to me. Courts take too long.

    Let their fate be known all who would act similarly.

    Quick and nasty, and there forever.

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  50. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    was in Anaheim of all places..

    if you’ve defiled Snow White after the Disney Parade I’m going to be very disappointed

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  51. dime (10,207 comments) says:

    some MILF. not my finest hour but all good

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  52. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    I have to wonder how much life experience some of you have, and how much of that experience involves females.

    I recall an attractive young lady telling me about a party she went to where she had sex with six guys while intoxicated. She assured me this was common place, though this was a new record for her personally. She did not regret it and thought it was just fun ! Last time I saw her she had just become married to a decent young bloke and was the picture of white middle class bliss.

    I think we need to be careful before we rush ahead destroying young men’s lives and labeling them “rapists”. It ignores a few realities to take that naive approach. Young women are far more savvy than young men when it comes to these things, though both are pretty brainless.

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  53. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    Oh God ,kea ,man of the world, shares his extensive experiences with women. Spare us your fantasies.

    I don’t see anyone else other than those “young men” ruining their own pathetic lives.

    And yes what they did counts most definitley as rape.

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  54. OneTrack (3,347 comments) says:

    Judith – “Who knows what the answer is, but some people just shouldn’t be allowed a say –”

    I agree – we should start with Green voters.

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  55. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    kowtow, It is of no surprise to me at all that someone like you would be unable to comprehend the concept of women wanting lots of sex. It would be well outside your limited range of experience. It is clear in all you write that you have lived a loveless and joyless life.

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  56. nasska (12,075 comments) says:

    Not even allowed to spill his seed on the ground for a bit of light relief Kea. :)

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  57. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    the other half of the comedy tag team has arrived,there goes the thread.

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  58. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    nasska, he should stick to his usual posts about anal sex between blokes. A man needs to know his limitations.

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  59. Dexter (317 comments) says:

    It’s almost farcical the amount of faux outrage and middle aged internet vigilante chest beating this has stirred up. At it’s essence, teenage males taking advantage of drunken teenage girls, has been occurring since binge drinking was embraced as a national hobby by both sexes.

    And after the hysteria has reached it’s peak, and knee-jerk law changes are affected to appease the ignorant masses, the same behavior will continue to occur unabated, because god forbid anyone dare suggest to teenage girls or women in this country that not getting black out drunk every weekend is a better way to reduce victimization than relying on a piece legislation to hold in check the hormones and immorality of teenage males.

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  60. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    It’s almost farcical the amount of faux outrage and middle aged internet vigilante chest beating this has stirred up.

    Now Dexter on the other hand sounds like someone who is able to see humans for what it is without losing the plot.

    kowtow never got invited to those parties :)

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  61. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    Progressives like Dexter- always spinning bullshit to try and detract from the negative outcomes resulting from their winning of the culture war.

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  62. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    Gee, Narsekissa is here desperately reaching out to his troll buddy again. With his smug attempts at humour. Please like me wa wa.

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  63. Johnboy (17,015 comments) says:

    The two little twerps I saw on Stuff both looked a bit brown. I guess that explains it all really.

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  64. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    superflynz, well, I have read some of that. It was pretty tedious going, and I couldn’t be bothered reading past the second page. But no, try as I might I cannot get the blood boiling. Beraiah is a loser and a dickhead for sure. And it certainly seems he is getting his comeuppance. But he is just one of millions of dickheads in this world. Perhaps if he was boasting about being mean to animals it would be a different matter. If he hurt any kittens I’d be forced to track him down and destroy him, because kittens are completely helpless. If he is guilty of rape then he will be punished. I do fear for his future. This lynch mob mentality we have in this country is not pleasant. I suppose it is because we are a small country and the entire nation can focus on a small number of dickheads, and not relent until they are destroyed. But what good it will do society in the long run, other than quench the immediate lust for revenge and retribution, is open to question. I read a lot of talk about so called ‘rape culture’ in New Zealand, particularly from the more left leaning blogs. So I’m puzzled by the apparent incongruence between this and the almost universal blood lust that demands that these blokes must be destroyed. I’m sure that if any alleged victims of this gang of losers were to come forth and make a complaint then they would be treated with care and compassion. So the validity of this concept of a rape culture, one in which victims are too afraid to make their voices heard, is therefore somewhat of a puzzle.

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  65. Dexter (317 comments) says:

    negative outcomes resulting from their winning of the culture war

    Aside from being more successful in life, I’m at a bit of a loss over which culture war I’ve also beaten you in, if you say it’s happened, I don’t doubt it has, but I do think you are being a bit defeatist regardless of how crappy your life may be.

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  66. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    At its essence it’s rape. If that’s OK in you’re world then you’re the sado ,dexter.

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  67. Paul Marsden (990 comments) says:

    Society reaps what it sows and kea/dexter are correct. The only difference between then and now (since millennia in fact and of more recent memory… group sex of comatosed women by NZ police hierarchy/legalised prostitution/advocating of lowering of the age of consent to 14 by Phil Goff etc etc)

    The only difference between then and now, is that technology has outed these little creeps and they have been hoist by their own petard.

    Idiots, as DPF states.

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  68. Dexter (317 comments) says:

    At its essence it’s rape. If that’s OK in you’re world then you’re the sado ,dexter.

    The only one suggesting it’s okay is you. It’s a well acknowledged principle that crime requires an offender, victim and situation, and the most effective way to reduce victimization is to address all facets, especially when easily preventable risk taking behavior is one of these.

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  69. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    “since millennia in fact”

    You commies will never face up to the truth of how you have destroyed so much that was good.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3iPGtaBbuS0/TPmxOmwatQI/AAAAAAAAA6A/fbCX4fnd8QA/s1600/Forcible+Rape+stats.png

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  70. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Red, that graph shows Forcible Rapes trending downwards.

    Still, the feminists, out to destroy traditional gender roles and the family unit, will be pleased to see you going to bat for them :)

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  71. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I recall an attractive young lady telling me about a party she went to where she had sex with six guys while intoxicated. She assured me this was common place, though this was a new record for her personally. She did not regret it and thought it was just fun ! Last time I saw her she had just become married to a decent young bloke and was the picture of white middle class bliss.

    I knew of several young women who were in my social circle as a teenager who were exactly like this. It’s the same old story: younger females can gain access to a better social scene and to alcohol and drugs if they are willing to put out. They can get invited to all sorts of parties and do all sorts of stuff as long as they put out (I knew a couple of girls who would willingly get gang banged by bikies). If they won’t put out, then there are plenty of other girls who will. All the roast busters were doing is what many Premier League footballers do all the time(including pissing on the girls and humiliating them). I guess you could call it social prostitution because that is what it is.

    Professional sports has had any number of scandals due to the same phenomenon. It’s just they they’re usually rich enough to pay off anyone who complains.

    The people whining on about the roast busters really piss me off. They refuse to acknowledge that the number one reason crimes like this are hard to prosecute is that there are many women who willingly do this stuff that it has become somewhat normal and it’s just not obvious whether there was consent or not. No wonder the cops can’t be bothered.

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  72. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    The dumbing down of society is all but complete.

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  73. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Kea 9:09 pm

    Still, the feminists, out to destroy traditional gender roles and the family unit

    , will be pleased to see you going to bat for them

    So the "feminists" are to blame for men raping women now???

    Oh, and "traditional gender roles" means it is okay for men to rape women, I guess.

    How fucked up are you, Kea? Are you one of the trogloites who perpetrate this misogyny?

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  74. Redbaiter (10,348 comments) says:

    And you’re responsible for it Jude.

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (6,109) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Jeez, you credit me with far too much power! If I had that much power, you’d be cleaning my toilet!

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  76. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    toad, is the girl a rapist if the guy wakes up sober the next day and regrets having sex with her ?

    But this whole pantomime of outrage is not motivated by protecting the virtue of young kiwi girls [the most promiscuous on the planet] but by a desire to further marginalise men.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world

    “New Zealand women have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex.

    The global average was 7.3.”

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  77. Paul Marsden (990 comments) says:

    The dumbing down of society began with the de-basing of family values and the abdication of personal responsibilities, all precipitated by a generation of politicians that have gone before. This is simply the end result and we should not be surprised at such a public display of debauched behaviour.

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  78. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    It is rape ,the victims are stupefied underage girls.No consent means rape.Underage means rape.

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  79. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    kowtow, ok, so what if the guy is pissed and underage ?

    You seem to assume that [some] young women don’t want to bonk their brains out too. I guess that says a lot about your formative years.

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  80. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    If some victims come forward to complain, that will be a good thing – and send out a strong message.

    I am coming forward. I have had sex after drinking and had regrets about my choice of partner, back when I was a young fella.

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  81. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    So the “feminists” are to blame for men raping women now???

    No, but many of them are responsible for promulgating weird and evidence-free theories about why rape happens, and insisting that everyone else is wrong, with the result that it’s actually hard to do much that’s constructive when dealing with the crime.

    Honestly. some feminists have a morbid obsession with rape. I’m sure they must lie awake at night trying to imagine it.

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  82. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The dumbing down of society began with the de-basing of family values and the abdication of personal responsibilities, all precipitated by a generation of politicians that have gone before.

    Rubbish. Society has always been dumb. The internet just makes it more noticeable.

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  83. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    Marnie, a young “fella”?

    But as always the idiot kea is making shit up.

    Consenting adults can do what they like ,I never said they couldn’t.

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  84. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    kowtow, I am sure your former leader Graham Capill would agree with your view. He made a lot of noise about this sort of thing.

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  85. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The women’s studies department at my old university was full of hideous, deep-voiced, bulldog-faced trolls who thought that a rapist was hiding behind every bush waiting to get them. As if any potential rapist wouldn’t have run in terror from the sight of them.

    I see that Bomber is white knighting for them today. How desperate is he?

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  86. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Hey up –

    Haven’t scandalous, bizarre group sex incidents involving teammates and random boozy slappers been a fairly well-documented *thing* amongst Aussie league players and English football players since the early 2000s?

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  87. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Remember people: Men are beasts.

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  88. Longknives (4,949 comments) says:

    “Haven’t scandalous, bizarre group sex incidents involving teammates and random boozy slappers been a fairly well-documented *thing* amongst Aussie league players and English football players since the early 2000s?”

    Thankfully our heroic, ‘role model’, and impeccably behaved All Blacks would never use women in such a demeaning fashion.
    Oh wait…

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  89. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    All men are pigs. Women do not like sex so men rape them. Filthy pigs !

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  90. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    That police have done nothing for years on this demonstrates the need for a new law.

    “It is illegal to boast of committing a criminal offence in a public media when this may be offensive to those who were victims of this crime”

    Or otherwise just add this to the bill that aims to stop cyber bullying.

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  91. Paul Marsden (990 comments) says:

    The more things change, the more things stay the same. True gentleman never kiss and tell and thank god the internet wasn’t around in my day, otherwise many of my peers with less developed brains, have well ended up on the wrong side of the law and in a similar position. And is now, fathers the world over would have wanted to kill us then, both literally and metaphorically.

    When the cock is hard the brain is soft and these idiot guys (and girls – whether willing or not) may well end up paying the price for the rest of their lives.

    Hopefully, some good will come of it

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  92. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    We need a way to get the message across to these young blokes, and to raise awareness that rape is wrong. Now, it seems that many of these young blokes are into the rapping music, as it is called. So it might be an idea for some of our leading rap performers from the Kiwi rap music scene to get together, and do some rapping about rape and how rape is wrong. Like this rap, for example, although obviously it would not be anywhere near as good.

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  93. Thrash Cardiom (249 comments) says:

    But this whole pantomime of outrage is not motivated by protecting the virtue of young kiwi girls [the most promiscuous on the planet] but by a desire to further marginalise men.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world

    “New Zealand women have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex.

    The stats can probably be discounted. The survey method isn’t explained but it is likely to be one of Durex’s self selecting surveys which are Internet based and respondents are directed to them by adverts placed in magazines, websites and so on. They run surveys like this all the time as a part of their marketing strategy.

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  94. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    “The stats can probably be discounted.”

    So can the rape stats.

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  95. Azeraph (612 comments) says:

    I asked one of my youngest niece’s if she knew of them since she lives out there. She knew of that page 2 years ago and in some cases some of the young girls were attracted to that group because of the notoriety.

    The only problem this is going to bring to the country is the cry to control the net has just got one more weapon in it’s arsenal.

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  96. Mobile Michael (472 comments) says:

    I can’t post it because its NSFW, but look up The Lonely Island featuring Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga in “The Golden Rule”.

    These guys must have not noticed the satire.

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  97. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11152592

    If this is verified, then the Police may have some explaining to do!

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  98. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Right off the rails, they are not explaining to protect the complainant.

    The reason it was not pursued was the lack of evidence to support the claims. Maybe they should explain why yet another false complaint was not prosecuted ?

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  99. Baylee (2 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,115) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    These guys were probably brought up in single mother homes.

    No fathers.

    Another result of losing the cultural war to the progressives over the last 50 years.

    (and what kind of fathers will they make?)
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    Stupidest comment ever. See, if you had an education, honey, you would know children of single mothers aren’t taught to use, abuse, and treat girls and women with disrespect. Losing fathers? Since when were fathers ever as much involved in children’s lives as mothers generally are? Losing the cultural war? Please have your parents apologize for their obvious failings.
    Who cares about these punks…what are you some apologist for stupid, spoiled little pricks raised to treat women like shit by their FATHERS?

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