Winston and Greens

November 16th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

A reasonably significant statement by Winston Peters in this recent interview:

NZ First believes in environmental sustainability but far too many of the Green Party’s comments are about “stopping everything”.

“We have difficulty understanding a lot of their intentions and motives,” Mr Peters says, adding that the chance of being part of a coalition that would include the is “extremely remote“.

This means that as the price of support from Winston, Labour may have to leave the Greens outside the Government – as they did under Clark.

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28 Responses to “Winston and Greens”

  1. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Extremely remote until Cuntliffe promises Winston a limo, the foreign affairs gig and the promise that he will be the next Ambassador to the USA or the UK.

    Let’s be realistic here, we are talking about a man who stole $158,000 from us and has refused to pay it back. Winston will do a deal with anybody if it means more baubles for himself.

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  2. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    Funny ain’t it how we’re looking at Winston as saving us from the Watermelons.

    When is the so called right going to wake up to the fact that environmentalism is a semi-religious cult that should not be being taught in schools?

    Watermelon religious doctrine has to be removed from the curriculum.

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  3. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    When is the so called right going to wake up to the fact that environmentalism is a semi-religious cult that should not be being taught in schools?

    Some of us already think that Reddy.

    Personally I would prefer to get Winny out of parliament for good – like I thought had been achieved in 2008.

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  4. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    Some of us may well think that Gazza, but the National Party doesn’t.

    They’re basically sucked in by the scam and have never understood the realities of the game.

    Even have a “blue-green” faction, led by Nick Smith.

    Just hopeless.

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  5. AG (1,827 comments) says:

    This means that as the price of support from Winston, Labour may have to leave the Greens outside the Government – as they did under Clark.

    Of course, it also means having to take Winston Peters at his word. Anyone here prepared to do this?

    Furthermore, I wonder if there are any other alternatives to Winston giving his support?

    A centrist party could take that stance. They would effectively hold the balance of power on votes on individual legislation, but abstain on confidence and supply votes. This would mean that the party or bloc with the largest number of seats (even if not a majority) could form Government.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/constitution_and_confidence_votes.html

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  6. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    You say that “Labour may have to leave the Greens outside the Government – as they did under Clark”.
    I may be unduly cynical but I have always had a suspicion that that wasn’t so much Winston’s aim as it was Helen’s and I wondered whether she had put Peters up to it to give her the excuse to dump the Green Party from consideration.
    Cunliffe would probably try and do exactly the same if he got the chance. The Green Party are to a great degree a religious group rather than a pragmatic political force and a stable Government with them holding Cabinet posts would seem very unlikely.
    Winston wouldn’t be averse to it of course. Being number two in a minority Government would always appeal more to him that being number three in a Government with a majority.
    It could well be totally irrelevant of course. The Cunliffe honeymoon must have been the world’s shortest if Roy Morgan is to be believed. Labour went from about 32% before Shearer quit, up to about 37% when Cunliffe got elected, and then down again to 32% as people started to get to know him.

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  7. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    A populist statement from a populist politician. Go Figure.

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  8. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    I dont believe Normans ego would allow him to be spurned again, he wont support Cuntliffe without getting his claws around the levers of power and if Norman wont support there can be no deal done with WinstonFirst.

    If he did support without getting into power why would anyone ever vote for him again? its just a wasted vote.

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  9. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    The problem for Labour is that Winston is in the twilight of his career, if they spurned the Gweens again they would be setting themselves up for problems in the Winston-free future. Which may not be far away.

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  10. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    We have difficulty understanding a lot of their intentions and motives

    Really? They’re no mystery. Just pretend you’re a petulant spoiled 10-year-old with a low IQ and a bad temper and you can predict pretty much everything they’re going to say and do.

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  11. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Winston is not just in the twilight of his career, he is in fact quite unwell. One day he will die. That could happen in months not years. That would probably make NZF voters change their party vote. Will anyone vote for the rump of nobodies. One thing is for sure. the political landscape at Election 2014 will be significantly different from today. The economy is booming. Employment is rising and confidence is growing.

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    “Winston is not just in the twilight of his career, he is in fact quite unwell. ”

    Have you any evidence of that or are you using rumour to undermine NZF?

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  13. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Only time will tell whether Winston will join a red – green coalition.

    Loath as I am to agree with Winston, his comment about the Greens wanting to stop everything sounds right. As they have only been in opposition, how will they cope with having to make decisions and the burden of collective responsibility and compromise and all the other aspects that are intrinsic to being in government?

    I think Chris Auchinvole made a similar observation in the House last week.

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  14. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    “he is in fact quite unwell”

    Baseless allegations….

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  15. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    Red, you really are way out there where the busses don’t run, aren’t you? It must get real lonely. Is that why you come here?

    If a person believes that we can care about the environment, don’t believe in the Old Testament word for word, are not obsessed by adult sexuality, and should work with others not exactly like us, then regardless about any of our other views we are evil, cowardly, satanic tree-hugging commie progs.

    I consider you just as much a danger to our way of life as other extremists, namely the far left and Islamic jihadists. The only difference is that occasionally, very occasionally, maybe you take your meds and appear to be quite sane and normal.

    It’s rather scary, a bit like Iranian President suggesting Israel open an embassy in Teheran, or Russel Norman suggesting that dairy farmers are the backbone of the country. I’d like to believe it, but the leopard will never change its spots.

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  16. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Yes Warren, that’s an important point. Greens still show no appreciation of what it is like making decisions in Government, they are hell bent on promoting their ideology and don’t deal with alternate views well. And while the claim to be a democratic party they abuse democratic processes, believing that any means is justified to promote what they want.

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  17. mara (784 comments) says:

    Fisiani, we will all die one day of course, but I have observed that Winston’s mental “sharpness” is much less sharp than it was. I might think he’s a bit of a prick but it is still a bit sad to witness his decline in such a public way. Personal dignity vs Party survival. It’s a close call.

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  18. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    Gosh Bad-Cat, I began reading the comments here, and they all (apart from PG) had something interesting to say on the point of Winston refusing to be part of a coalition govt that included the watermelons, except for your’s which was a sort of delirious lecture of the kind that I imagine might emanate from some elderly spinster school teacher, who had drunk too much from her secret stash of red wine before coming in to class.

    Just keep voting for the National Communist Party deary if you truly believe they are the solution, but please don’t drink yourself to death in despair at how things turn out.

    Maybe you should just get yourself a man and forget all about politics.

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  19. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    I dont believe Normans ego would allow him to be spurned again, he wont support Cuntliffe without getting his claws around the levers of power and if Norman wont support there can be no deal done with WinstonFirst.

    Norman is trapped with nowhere to go. There is no way the Greens would vote to bring a Left govt down.

    Clark knew that. Both the Cunliffes know it. And Winnie does too.

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  20. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Winston is unwell. Insider information.

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  21. JC (955 comments) says:

    “Clark knew that. Both the Cunliffes know it. And Winnie does too.”

    I suspect its more important for Winston to not tip his hand so that he can play off Labour and the Nats. Banging the Greens is a free hit on both right and left with only good consequences for Winnie.

    JC

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  22. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    “Both the Cunliffes know it” – I thought he was three-faced. Talks out of the left side, or right side, or middle of his mouth depending on circumstances and audience. See:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/a_story_of_two_cunliffes.html

    And I think David Farrar and John Armstrong are also a bit confused here.

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  23. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Peters is a whore, a venal and corrupt individual who would whatever is necessary to secure the baubles of power.

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  24. Matthew Hooton (131 comments) says:

    What a bizarre post David. No statement from Winston Peter can be “reasonably significant”. His statements have no significance beyond a single news cycle.

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  25. Liberty (267 comments) says:

    The coalition of loses is imploding. How sad never mind.

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  26. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    That assumes His Winstonness will be back in Parliament with his entourage of sycophants. Whether centre-left or centre-right, I’m sure that either side of the political aisle wants a ‘clean’ coalition- ie one with reliable, stable and responsible coalition partners, whether Labour/Greeen, or National/United Future; ie Not “It”…!

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  27. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    And Manolo, calling Winston a sex worker is a grave insult to the good, honest, sweet-natured ladies and laddies of the evening that I know. For shame, sir! ;)

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  28. unaha-closp (1,164 comments) says:

    Best news ever for the Greens.

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