10 years on the widows benefit

December 26th, 2013 at 10:28 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Hamilton mother-of-six received an unexpected letter on Christmas Eve – a court summons from her son’s former high school for unpaid fees.

This comes after he was banned from attending his school ball earlier in the year for having outstanding fees, despite being head boy.

Mrs Nonoa is upset that Melville High School is using such a forceful method to recover money she doesn’t have.

The letter, handed to her by a plain-clothes woman at 7.30am on Tuesday, said the school was taking legal action to retrieve $1166.84 in sports and subject fees from 2011 to 2013 and $1133.50 in legal costs – $2300.34 total.

Her son, Johnboi, 18, finished school this year.

He was head boy, captain of the First XV rugby team, a member of the top basketball team and also took part in cultural activities.

The fees Melville High are seeking are for sports and specialist subjects like photography and food technology, not the voluntary school donation.

Mrs Nonoa has been on a widow’s benefit for the past 10 years and said she paid off small amounts when she could afford it.

This to me seems to be the crux of the issue. Of course it is difficult to afford all these additional costs on a widow’s benefit. But we live in 2013, not 1953. Why do we deem it acceptable to remain on a widow’s benefit for 10 years? I’m all for supporting someone whose partner suddenly dies – but maybe for a year, not a decade, and/or until all the kids are at school (as must be the case if you have been on the benefit for 10 years).

Labour abolished any  work-test requirements for the Widow’s Benefit in 2003. If they hadn’t done so, it is likely Mrs Nonoa would have found part-time work, and be in a better position to afford the additional school fees.

As it happens last year the work-test requirements were re-instituted, and the Widow’s Benefit merged into the new Sole Parent Support benefit.

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76 Responses to “10 years on the widows benefit”

  1. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Yet another bludging parasite who doesn’t want to pay her bills so she goes crying to the sympathetic lefty media…

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  2. Michael (880 comments) says:

    And with no children under 14, Mrs Nonoa is now on a Jobseeker Allowance benefit and required to look for full time work.

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  3. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    “and also took part in cultural activities.”

    Just noticed this bit- What the fuck? Does being involved in kapu haka (or whatever it is called) make you exempt from paying your bills in this country now?

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  4. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    It’s sad that the kids grow up with a sense of entitlement.

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  5. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    She’s ripped off a school. Won’t someone think of the children?

    He’s 18, maybe he can get a job over the summer and help out..

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  6. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    She needs to consult a Life Coach to help her to sort her life out; oh, wait…

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/want-better-bludger-now-can-get-professional-life-coach/

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  7. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    NZ is never short of parasites and people willing to get a free ride.

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  8. Left Right and Centre (2,388 comments) says:

    Ok – so what does that look like? Darling son can participate in all these extra activities. I don’t know how I’m going to pay for them. Never mind.

    If you can’t afford it, don’t do it. Don’t do it and then cry poverty or whine about people wanting you to pay up.

    Poor old Dime and Longknives – paying for other people’s overbreeding.

    If you want to breed and bleed – pay for life insurance to cover yourself in the event.

    Either way – it’s all very costly to society.

    The name Johnboi. Hello ?? More weirdos. If it was a nickname – yeah ok – but someone’s actual name ? Text talk name ? Fuck a duck

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  9. Tautaioleua (266 comments) says:

    This woman has no class at all. Airing her dirty laundry in front of the entire country? now the entire school knows the head boy is the son of a beneficiary.

    Anything for the sympathy vote by the “PROGRESSIVE” press.

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  10. Fentex (656 comments) says:

    This comes after he was banned from attending his school ball earlier in the year for having outstanding fees, despite being head boy.

    I’m a little curious – is this a public school? If so aren’t they obliged to NOT require fees, though they may ask for them as donations?

    If so is it not likely somewhat illegal to bring pressure on people to pay fees they are not obliged to pay?

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  11. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    fentex – the ball requires is subsidised by school fees. if you dont pay the fees, you cannot enjoy the subsidy.

    you will however be able to go to school and learn. seems like a sweet deal. education paid for whether your parents pay taxes or live off the charity generously provided by the likes of … me

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  12. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    What a Mr-Scrooge type post, on Boxing Day! At least it wasn’t a Christmas Day post, but still.

    The Widow’s Benefit is one of the few I don’t begrudge at all. If we had more women who put their whole lives into their families, including looking after their husbands, then NZ would be a much better place. As it is, most of the support is to women who divorce or who have never married, while as this woman is most likely being being given a benefit because her husband died.

    [DPF: Should men be eligible for a widow's benefit?]

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  13. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    “The fees Melville High are seeking are for sports and specialist subjects like photography and food technology, not the voluntary school donation.”

    This is the relevant bit. I too wondered about the nature of the school fees under demand.

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  14. Andrei (2,429 comments) says:

    Wasn’t our current Prime raised in a household supported by the widows benefit?

    [DPF: His mother was on the widow's benefit yes. But not for 10 years.]

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  15. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    Lucia my dad died when I was 15 my sister was 12, mum who had been working part time until then started working full-time, she never contemplated going on a benefit it was an option it wasn’t in our family’s DNA, we were I suppose a lower middle class household. We never had everything we wanted but we had everything we needed, mum & dad had life insurance which meant when dad died we didn’t have to worry about the roof over our heads. What i’m trying to say is that it’s about responsibilities, priorities & sacrifices. Embarrassing your son like this is disgraceful, the son appears to have drive & determination hopefully he wont turn out like his mother.

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  16. eszett (2,264 comments) says:

    Labour abolished any work-test requirements for the Widow’s Benefit in 2003. If they hadn’t done so, it is likely Mrs Nonoa would have found part-time work, and be in a better position to afford the additional school fees.

    Can you back up such a claim? What do you know about her situation to even make that assumption?
    And how do you know that a part time work she may be qualified for would pay enough to put her in a better position?

    Just as likely the work-test requirement would have allowed her continue to get the widow”s benefit, plus added cost to the state to conduct the test and caused her undue stress and uncertainty.

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  17. Left Right and Centre (2,388 comments) says:

    Lucia the bible basher and her view of a woman’s place in society. You’re here to breed, prepare for afterlife, that’s it.

    Lucia uses ‘husband’ because of course you can’t breed if it isn’t sanctioned by imaginary beings.

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  18. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    Just a couple of things:

    Melville High isn’t in the business of chasing debts. So they pass that on to an intermediary. The intermediary passes it on to the courts (how did it get to court?). The courts pass the summons to the Postal Service.

    None of these organisations necessarily wanted to put the boot in to these people by having the summons turn up on Christmas Eve. For the boy and his mum to go to the media because they’ve got their noses out of joint shows either (a) mental retardation or (b) a sense of expectation so out of whack with normal behaviour as to be mental retardation or (c) a desperate hack determined to file a story even though it’s just circumstance.

    Also worthy of note is the pure hatred on ‘Johnboi’s’ face, and the attitude of his mother who has clearly been living in Dickensian conditions, in the photo which is worth a thousand words.

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  19. eszett (2,264 comments) says:

    [DPF: His mother was on the widow's benefit yes. But not for 10 years.]

    For how long was she then? And what is appropriate?

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  20. Left Right and Centre (2,388 comments) says:

    duggledog – it’s all bullshit put-on for the camera. You don’t know from still shots what any of these ‘media victims’ constantly being served up are like with any certainty.

    You see the same on Campbell Live – it looks like a well-rehearsed performance, the pitiful sadness in the voices, the sad puppy eyes, the feeling of your intelligence being slapped around. It doesn’t matter if the cause is worthy or not – it’s like they’re told to really play it up – beg for the sympathy vote – it all seems quite shameless.

    Yeah – just from the small view of the interior – house looks ok, eh ? Not too shabby. Just don’t talk up poverty or anything, that’s all – with ya nice enough home.

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  21. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    I also wanna know:

    How much is the widow’s benefit?
    How many of the children are hers and her deceased partner’s, or hers and another partner’s?
    Why is my life insurance for myself and my wife if the worst happens not tax deductible?

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  22. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “……Lucia the bible basher and her view of a woman’s place in society. You’re here to breed, prepare for afterlife, that’s it.
    Lucia uses ‘husband’ because of course you can’t breed if it isn’t sanctioned by imaginary beings….”

    Lucia hasn’t said that. Instead, you just extended what she said to a conclusion where you could abuse her from.

    It’s not a women’s place in society to ‘child care’ the children of those who want to ‘play at being Dad’ either – society shouldn’t demand women be soley economic widgets. And moreso when it only benefits ‘aspiration working women’.

    Dad’s and husbands need secure jobs.

    Wifes and Mothers[school aged kids or below] need the right to have tax-free jobs between 9-3 – if they choose.

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  23. MH (558 comments) says:

    get a pumpkin and seven mice,cinderella.

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  24. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    ? I just think the post comes across as mean-spirited and pointless bashing of some random person from a position of privilege.

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  25. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’d just like it to be put on official record here that I have NO knowledge or responsibility for any young chap named Johnboi (unless he is a young Ram perhaps) :)

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  26. BeaB (1,945 comments) says:

    While the tills are ringing and Eftpos records are being set, the media still harps on Poverty Porn.

    Or are they being ironic and we are all meant to have a good laugh at such stupidity and greed?

    This young man took advantage of every ‘extra’ his school offered but he and his mum expected other parents to foot the bill for him as well as for their own kids and this is not a rich community.

    She gets extra benefit money while he is at school. Couldn’t she have used some of that? And he is clearly a fit young man. Couldn’t he have got a part-time job to help pay for all the things he wanted to take part in? They both seem to think it should all be free – for them, anyway.

    Good for him for doing well at school but he hasn’t learned a very important lesson about standing on his own two feet. How can he and his mother humiliate themselves by appearing in a newspaper story like this? Where are their dignity and pride? What kind of future will he have if this is how he wants the world to see him?

    And why isn’t she in a job?

    How have we bred so many of these people who expect their neighbours and friends and even strangers to pay their way for them?

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  27. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    Get a haircut and get a real job, and pay the bill you bludger

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  28. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    You’re a cruel bastard Steve (NS). The poor woman when asked to pay up was in two minds she said “No no…A” :)

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  29. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    “He was head boy, captain of the First XV rugby team, a member of the top basketball team and also took part in cultural activities.”

    A future Nobel Prize winner obviously! :)

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  30. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    Silly last name syndrome Johnboy?
    I see that red downticker corksoaker is here again. Saw my bloody dick off, he must be so bored

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  31. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Quite right Steve(NS). I’m not bored!

    I’m watching UKTV! :)

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  32. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    How the fuck can you name your kid “Johnboi” though? :)

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  33. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I guess it is better than “Sonni”…. :)

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  34. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    He’s called Johnboi, which lost me any sympathy for this woman.

    Also, the widow’s benefit is archaic, and dates back to a time when women were supposed to keep house for their husbands and not pursue an external career of their own. Which is fine and dandy, but that’s why men with families buy life insurance. It’s not the government’s responsibility.

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  35. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    That’s a hard call BlairM. Trusting an insurance company over the gumint with your familys future!! :)

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  36. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    I’m sorry but that Johnboi moniker disqualifies the bugger. No second chance. :D

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  37. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I find myself severely distressed by onomatopoeia! :)

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  38. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    The JB minusmonster works even during Xmas! :)

    I knew he/she was a Grinch! : :)

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  39. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Be a Man/Woman JB minus monster. Comeout of the shadows and show yourself! :)

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  40. lilman (659 comments) says:

    This bitch is a leach,they decided to undertake these extra activities,so pay up bitch,I pay mine and she earns more per week than I do.

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  41. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Good grief. The JB minus monster has reproduced! :)

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  42. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I just thought I’d post this to see if it attracted the minus monster! :)

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  43. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Will it attract the twin? :)

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  44. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Bugger me..it works!

    Do the twins have twins? :)

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  45. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Pretty slow reacting…….the monster and sibling (siblings) ! :)

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  46. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for a minus 4…..get on with it! :)

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  47. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Then it will be a minus 16 then a minus 256…etc minus monster! :)

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  48. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    You didn’t say something nasty about Colin Craig or Baby Jesus did you JB? :)

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  49. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Not at all nasska old chap. I am just having JB fun. I see the JB Minus monster is actually a triplet! :)

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  50. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    It can’t do a minus 4! :)

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  51. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Jeeze..another 27 comments will get JB to 12400…keep up the incentive JB minus monster….!!! :) :)

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  52. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    “[DPF: Should men be eligible for a widow's benefit?]”

    Very simple answer, David. No.

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  53. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    I think it is Penny playing silly games Johnboy.
    Her immature mind has a fixation with you. I mean barbed wire fence? where the fuck would she ever get that from?
    She is heading for a thermonuclear meltdown, as a few have done here before. Beware the wrath of a batshit crazy green protester

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  54. SPC (4,634 comments) says:

    Johnboy, when you can show me written consent from a consenting sheep (using their own name not one you gave them and signed for on their behalf) I’ll give you the 4th one you need whenever I see 3, I will give you your 4th.

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  55. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    If your beloved husband should unfortunately die Lucia you could pop over to Wainui and I could give you something beneficial! :)

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  56. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I would even consider converting to the one true faith if you wore your thigh boots! :)

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  57. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    Tricky question Lucy,

    Should men be eligible for a widow’s benefit?

    Why not ask all of us instead of DPF?
    A Man can not be a widow?

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  58. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Which is fine and dandy, but that’s why men with families buy life insurance. It’s not the government’s responsibility.

    Yes, agree. We have life insurance for both myself and my husband. Though, mine isn’t quite so high given that my husband expects to keep working if I die, and presumes his parents will help with the kids.

    It sets you back a bit though, at $385/month for $1 million or $6000/month if he can’t work for illness or disability. Getting hit with that and tax, it would be nice to get a rebate for having life insurance. But no, the Government wants their cake and the ability to eat it too.

    Meanwhile, any person over 65, no matter their financial means, gets the pension. And here we are slamming the widow. Sick, people, sick.

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  59. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Don’t distract Lucia while she is considering my proposal Steve(NS)! :)

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  60. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    What do you get if Hubbie can’t get it up Lucia? :)

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  61. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I could probably step into the gap for a small fee! :)

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  62. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Steve,

    Sorry, should have blockquoted the question rather than just quoting it. That was DPF asking me the question on my first comment on this thread. He really should add comments rather than just editing them in order to be clear and help people notice that he’s said something, but then I’ve gotten used to it and go back and check. The square bracket is DPF’s signature style.

    Hope you had a good Christmas! :)

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  63. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’m really shattered that Lucia hasn’t popped back with her cellphone number! :)

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  64. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Johnboy.. Never mind you have a secret admirer. I will not let you down son.

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  65. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Do you wear big boots RF? :)

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  66. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Yes my son. Left foot size 12 and right foot size 10. I miss you. Disappointed we did not have Xmas together.

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  67. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    GULP! …….I’ll give Lucia another call RF to see if she’s free! :)

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  68. Duxton (544 comments) says:

    “The fees Melville High are seeking are for sports and specialist subjects like photography and food technology, not the voluntary school donation.”

    Why did the school allow him to take those courses without having paid in advance?

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  69. BeaB (1,945 comments) says:

    Duxton
    Because schools bend over backwards to give every kid every possible chance – and hope parents will keep their side of the bargain. Most parents do but some don’t because they are feckless or dishonest or want to make a stand on principle (the worst of all to deal with).
    There are lots of hard up parents who set up small automatic payments in the hope that they and the school will break even by the time the kid leaves.

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  70. Warren Murray (238 comments) says:

    Others seem to be getting into a bit of a frenzy in bagging these people. I think its great that Johnboi has overcome the obvious disability of such an unfortunate name to become a leader in his school. His involvement in the extra curricular activities is to be commended. The mother has six children, but it isnt clear what their ages are. perhaps thats a red herring.
    What is clear is that she started bludging in 2011 , expecting her son to enjoy the benefits without making the same contributions as others. I have no doubt the school sought to discuss the situation with her and she evaded and fobbed them off. It serves her right that she is now confronted with having a debt that is twice the original costs that the school sought. The timing is good too, a good lesson for others who have no standards or ethics.

    This report also appears on Whaleoil and someone commented there that her facebook page shows she went to Hawaii in 2012. I havent checked it, but it wouldnt surprise me if it was correct.

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  71. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Her son, Johnboi…

    Johnboi? :twisted:

    Why not cut to the chase, and call your son “My parents are feral animals?”

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  72. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Why not cut to the chase, and call your son “My parents are feral animals?”

    Very true: they are feral animals.

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  73. Left Right and Centre (2,388 comments) says:

    Lucia hasn’t said that. Instead, you just extended what she said to a conclusion where you could abuse her from.

    That is the logical fucking conclusion, is it not ? Lucia is a religious zealot. Only marriage is acceptable. Or does she condone unmarried couples bearing progeny ? I think not.

    The careful choice of words fools no-one and specific use of the word husband without expressly stating the attitude held fools no-one and insults the intelligence. Too funny !!

    Good on Lucia for having life insurance – for when hubby dies of boredom. Her premiums aren’t quite so high as hubby – I’m shocked. Is that really due to having the earning potential of a scarecrow ? And why oh why does she use the American word ‘gotten’ ? How dreadful. Too much American TV ? How utterly and unbearably repulsive.

    As usual Harriet’s other points have the look of meaningless gibberish nonsense. What a waste of fucking time Harry – make some sense mate. I read material by great men – Robert Winston, Bill Bryson, Desmond Morris. I don’t any trouble understanding them at all and they’re a 1 000 times smarter than you are.

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  74. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    I’m on the schools side. They said even $2.50 a week would be OK. They just wanted to see some commitment. The boys name is a shocker too. Moron mother. I reckon the boy was swapped at the hospital.

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  75. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    More beneficiary bashing which is so easy

    This govt is huge on corporate welfare….Rio Tinto

    No one complained when BNZ got their big bailout (Now facing fraud charges for excessive fees)

    Let an iwi have compensation and all guns are blazing.

    Corporates are the biggest bludgers alongside MP’s. But they wear ties I spose. No wonder people with ties aren’t trusted now!

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  76. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    ‘Also, the widow’s benefit is archaic, and dates back to a time when women were supposed to keep house for their husbands ‘

    Ahhh duhhhhh

    The widow doesn’t have ahusband and no one picked this up.

    Very selective monitoring on this site.

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