Banks not to stand in 2014

December 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am by David Farrar

have announced:

Today, Hon , MP for Epsom and leader of ACT, has announced that he will not be seeking re-election in the 2014 General Election.  John has decided, after 36 years of public service, that it is time for him to spend more time on his family and his private business interests.  In the meantime, John will continue as the MP for Epsom and Leader of ACT.

As part of its candidate selection process for general elections, the Board of ACT will shortly be opening nominations for candidates to stand for ACT in the 2014 General Election.  We have a number of very talented potential candidates and we expect to name our key candidates, including a new candidate for Epsom, by the time of our annual conference in early March.

An inevitable decision. I can’t see ACT able to hold Epsom unless someone with a proven track record of local support such as Cameron Brewer stood for them.

UPDATE: Banks has said he will stand down as Leader at the conference in March 2014.

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81 Responses to “Banks not to stand in 2014”

  1. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    ” I can’t see ACT able to hold Epsom unless someone with a proven track record of local support such as Cameron Brewer stood for them.”

    Not so sure. A steaming turd could probably take a sizable chunk of the vote. Means to an end.

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  2. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    This is what Winston should have happened to Winston – and what he should have done….

    And Clark…. and now Cunliffe as well !

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  3. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    If only he’d retired before he joined the ACT party.

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  4. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Regardless of the court case Act should have done this anyway, they have to rebuild with an actual Act leader and not one that came up the river on a cabbage boat. But it won’t be easy.

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  5. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    They will need an extremely good candidate to ensure their survival long term.

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  6. virtualmark (1,528 comments) says:

    If ACT want the Nats to roll over and gift them Epsom then ACT need to get their party vote percentage up to a level that brings in at least one other list MP over and above the Epsom electorate MP.

    But if ACT can’t get their shit together, can’t get an appealing and stable set of candidates out there, and can’t get their people to stick to the policy platform then they’re not going to be able to fulfil their side of the Epsom bargain. And at that point there should be no more cups of tea.

    The right-wing political party that rails against Government subsidies needs to prove it can add value without needing a subsidy of its own.

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  7. virtualmark (1,528 comments) says:

    And can I add … as someone who’s given my party vote to ACT in several elections and is someone who should be a natural supporter of a right-wing socially-liberal party … how immensely frustrating it is that ACT seem to have never managed to be disciplined and focussed.

    There is a real need for party to the right of the Nats. There are some good people who could be great MPs. But the party organisation seems to choose clowns as its candidates, and the clowns seem to focus on stunts and fratricide instead of solid persuasive policy.

    I think a future history of ACT will tell a tale of lost opportunity.

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  8. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    Well, I hope John Banks takes the time now to write his autobiography. His is a real “Rags to Riches” story – from a deprived childhood to political and national prominence as a Cabinet Minister.
    And away from that there’s all the good work he did with resettling Russian orphans in NZ.
    Its a shame that things have turned a bit black for him of late but there’s as much, if not more, good in that man as there is bad. I always used to listen to his Saturday morning programme on the radio back in the day. Boy, did he tell it like it is!! Not many strong characters of his ilk left I fear.

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  9. Mobile Michael (452 comments) says:

    I never understood why Banks was ACTs man in Epsom, he was never the right fit. I will be interested to see who will be the next candidate, but they will also bd leader (by default) so will have a big job in the lead up to the election.

    Perhaps we can convince Prebs to make a comeback?

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  10. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    One wonders who ACT will select? Catherine Isaac? John Boscawen? Who else is left?!

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  11. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    virtualmark

    I think you are right. ACT has had some extremely good , talented individuals ( Franks , Hide , Douglas , Boscowan , Garrett etc etc ) but somehow they did pull together at the right times.

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  12. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    “Perhaps we can convince Prebs to make a comeback?”

    Mad Dog? Be still my beating heart!

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  13. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    If ACT want the Nats to roll over and gift them Epsom then ACT need to get their party vote percentage up to a level that brings in at least one other list MP over and above the Epsom electorate MP.

    Why?

    Act stands a chimp in Epsom (noone would notice the difference) and voters vote tactically and its a free seat for center right.

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  14. deadrightkev (472 comments) says:

    Apparently the 2014 Epsom candidate was announced back in March at the conference. Anyone know who it was?

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  15. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    I agree with Colville.

    As long as ACT can convince somebody of the ability of Issac to stand then they will shit in. If they do convince her then the Nat’s can afford to tell the whore from Ohariu to fuck off.

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  16. iMP (2,386 comments) says:

    Just let ACT go, its time. Let them slip away into a coma. Conservatives got almost 10x as many votes in the by-election 3 days ago.

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  17. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    I never understood why Banks was ACTs man in Epsom, he was never the right fit. I will be interested to see who will be the next candidate, but they will also bd leader (by default) so will have a big job in the lead up to the election.

    The party called for nominations and there were none apart from John. There was less than 6 months to the election and Act needed a candidate. It’s pretty simple from there on.

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  18. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Apparently the 2014 Epsom candidate was announced back in March at the conference. Anyone know who it was?

    Act has always said it was Banks. Until today.

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  19. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @dime 10:43 am

    A steaming turd could probably take a sizable chunk of the vote.

    The evidence for that being that one did in 2011.

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  20. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    “ACT need to get their party vote percentage up to a level that brings in at least one other list MP”
    Historically ACT has always done better on election day than the polls show. The exceptions were 2005 and 2011, where numerous polls showed we wouldn’t win Epsom. But in both cases we did. In 2014 Epsom voters will be even more convinced than in 2011 that National can’t govern alone, and will realise that a vote for anyone but the ACT candidate will be a vote for David Cunliffe to be PM.

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  21. skyblue (211 comments) says:

    Talk of steaming terds, how is that GW going toad?

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  22. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    toad – remember back a few years ago when you werent so bitter and nasty? you used to come in and have a debate. came across as an ok bloke.

    what happened? spending too much time with other greens? everything is snide and nasty now.

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  23. skyblue (211 comments) says:

    Banks does need to go, we all know the real story.

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  24. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    Toad

    That’s no way to talk about your ever expanding female co leader.

    At least Banks has got charter schools through, that will be great for our kids. It also has the extra advantage in that it drives lefties crazy.

    BTW Toad, why is there no post over at the heavily censored Frogblog about David Hay?, does your party not allow it?

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  25. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    toad, are you a communist or a socialist? Come clean and confess your affiliation to the red cause.

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  26. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    Obama to Morgan what Dunne to P.G.: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/piers-morgan-perfect-barack-obama-whos-perfect-physical-specimen_769249.html

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  27. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    As John Banks sinuously writhed and lubriciously swayed to the music of Kim Dotcom’s Amnesia, he wondered why he had returned to Parliament in the first place… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CvRSZxqk_I

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  28. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    John Banks, a true National Party mole, accomplished his objective: the demise of ACT.

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  29. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    Manolo – im predicting a glorious rebirth for ACT!

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  30. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    Manolo

    I have been jousting with Toad for years now. He is without doubt a communist, he is also a bloke who has been hammered into submission by the femenazi element and by the guilty white element within the dicatatorship that is the Greens.

    He used to be able to debate an issue but as Dime has already noted he has given that up in favour of outright lies.

    Toad thinks that men are the cause of all troubles and that Maori should be forgiven all crime because of colonisation.

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  31. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    Are you saying toad is an emasculated, pussy-whipped, smelly, unreformed hippie? :-)

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  32. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    Manolo

    “Are you saying toad is an emasculated, pussy-whipped, smelly, unreformed hippie?”

    No, I am saying that Toad is an emasculated, pussy-whipped, smelly, unreformed hippie who also suffers from guilty white syndrome.

    However….his one saving grace is that he is a cricket lover.

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  33. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    And telling the truth until the end….”…John Banks says his decision not to stand for re-election in 2014 has nothing to do with a court case against him…’

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  34. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    iMP, the reason to possibly prefer ACT to the Conservatives is that to vote for a party that is essentially a one man band is generally a bad idea. I would also add that that as a party (such as it is) the Conservatives are the wrong way around, socially conservative and economically very wet, so in many ways they are the antithesis of ACT. Yes, Craig’s interviews have been distorted to a degree by a media determined to make him the story, but even given that, he comes across as a flake and not someone I would ever want in parliament.

    The Conservatives appeal to a quite different group to ACT, ACT is aimed at economically literate people who happen to believe in free markets (as opposed to heavily regulated so as not to get into a debate about whether genuine fully free markets can or do exist), small government, and personal economic responsibility. They tend not to have a strong social agenda except where that meshes with their economic one. The Conservatives seem to be appealing to the social conservatives and the economically nationalist and statist types; a sort of religious Winston First.

    ACT has certainly lost its way, selecting John Banks was a disaster no doubt, very sad if he was the only candidate as he is/was well past his best-by date. I think the downfall started when Rodney Hide was caught perking it up after establishing a track record for perk-busting. Hypocrisy is endemic amongst politicians but given the media slant it can be fatal for a “right wing” pollie but simply glossed over in a leftie. ACT needs to be serious, properly articulate its philosophy as it has been one of the very few with a literate and coherent philosophy to sell rather than a grab-bag of currently “fashionable” attention seeking bullet points.

    But I would opine that a constituency exists for ACT, relatively small these days and for now a tainted brand, but there would be a chance of a resuscitation succeeding, but it would need a really good candidate for Epsom plus at least a couple of good supporting candidates to show that it is serious about going back to its roots.

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  35. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    I don’t share ACTs world view but accept there are people who do and do so passionately (and I understand Boscowen was a well regarded MP from across all sides). These individuals have a right to organise and seek parliamentary representation. They ought to have a more rigorous candidate selection process however.

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  36. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    I’ve voted National recently, but Act consistently in the past. I would love to do so again… we need voices in parliament that promote freedom in both our economic and personal lives, and who can talk to the optimism and faith in humanity that is inherent in that. Too often, Act was painted as cynical and evil when it is, in fact, the opposite of that because it places great faith in individuals’ abilities to be responsible for themselves and to care for those around them without being forced to.

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  37. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    @Camryn: Well said.
    Ditto.

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  38. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    I hope they do win Epsom with a credible candidate. If the Conservatives get some seats too, that would be great. Colin Craig urgently needs to learn to say ‘no comment’ to questions about nut bar subjects though. As an alternative , he could say: “Would you ask Russel Norman that question”?

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  39. blondewithaniq (24 comments) says:

    After the Rodney Hide Act expenses combustion (At least that man has integrity and actually a personality you can warm to, even if you don’t agree with him);the Act party headed to oblivion isn’t it?
    Aided first by Ex Nat Don-Bongs-are-fine Brash (and some are crucifying Colin Craig for pre-election nuttery?
    He was rolled (sic) by Banks, yet another opportunistic Ex Nat so now what?

    From where I am sitting, National under John Key has actually helped to kill the Act Party slowly by placing his ‘sockpuppets’ in it.
    Both he and Banks have been as feral and nasty as any I have seen in and out of parliament recently too, so the latter’s teary ‘dont be nasty to me’ press conference today, was beyond even his usual cabbageboat credible ridiculous to listen to, after his full-of-himself interview on Radio-live last week, when he was fully in usual attack mode.

    If karma which is just what it is, runs true to form, may this similarly signal the slow death of National?
    Some in there must be loving that proverbial ‘fingerclaw’ Banks has just given them as he clings like a rat
    (Nod to the inimitable public watchdog Penny Bright) to the sinking shipwreck of a party he has been absolutely pivotal in causing alone this year.
    Not a day too soon for many decent people in Epsom some I have spoken to recently have said.
    Awesome..

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  40. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Just let ACT go, its time. Let them slip away into a coma. Conservatives got almost 10x as many votes in the by-election 3 days ago.

    The comparison is laughable. The Cons wish to steal private property; Act wants to protect it. And that’s just a starter for 10.

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  41. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    Big Bruv and Manolo.
    From your descriptions of him, and the monotonous whine of everything posted, I think that Toad must actually be a penname for Russel Norman. Their characters seem to be identical.

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  42. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    I’m with Camryn.

    I’d sort of like Rodney Hide back, I always liked him. I also always had time for Franks. But realistically it’ll need to be a new generation, and my feel is that with National in the ascendancy anybody with talent and ambition has joined them instead. In the market that is politics, why would an up and comer join ACT?

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  43. Lance (2,656 comments) says:

    Such a shame John Banks has to go out on a bit of a low point.
    I liked him when a police friend of mine took John Banks out on patrol one night (when he was with National) and whenever they pulled someone over or were sorting things out, contrary to instructions John would jump out of the Police car and give the offender ‘a verbal’

    Gotta luv him

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  44. MH (762 comments) says:

    dust off the yellow jacket…Hidey Hi. when Craig was asked if he would stand in Epsom he replied “I’m not sure,but a lot of serious people think so” . Either a good dollop of Epsom Saltza or a damn good thrashing with my Van Allen Belt.

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  45. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    What is the penalty for electoral fraud?

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  46. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    What is the penalty for electoral fraud?

    A cushy deputy chairman role at NZ Post or some high paying gig at the UN.

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  47. BlueSilver (26 comments) says:

    Agree with Camryn and would love to see ACT back with a leader that is a proper fit for the party and who could bring in a few MPs with them. A big ask in such a short period of time, but not out of the question. Anything to save us from Winston First and the CCCP (surely the new ACT leader could come out positively in their belief about the moon landing and start clawing back any support that has been lost to the CCCP…..)

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  48. georgebolwing (869 comments) says:

    ACT needs to decide what it is before asking for support.

    Is is a socially and economically liberal party that stands for small government in all areas (i.e. its original incarnation).

    Our is it an economically liberalish but socially conservative party of grumpy old rich men who want to lecture people about why they are wrong (what it has become under Brash and Banks).

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  49. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    John Banks might be a waste of space but compared with Colin – did man land on the moon? – Craig he’s statesman like. :)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11166736

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  50. MH (762 comments) says:

    Buzz Aldrin vs Craig in a fight for life event ? Useless info:Aldrin’s mother was a Mrs M. Moon.

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  51. Reboot (101 comments) says:

    Akaroa (409 comments) says:
    December 4th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Well, I hope John Banks takes the time now to write his autobiography. His is a real “Rags to Riches” story – from a deprived childhood to political and national prominence as a Cabinet Minister.
    And away from that there’s all the good work he did with resettling Russian orphans in NZ.
    Its a shame that things have turned a bit black for him of late but there’s as much, if not more, good in that man as there is bad. I always used to listen to his Saturday morning programme on the radio back in the day. Boy, did he tell it like it is!! Not many strong characters of his ilk left I fear.

    On the contrary, much like every other National and Labour politician, he simply was an ineffective politician who did nothing in Parliament. What Parliament (and ACT) needed were MPs with the “guts to do what’s right.” Don Brash was one of these. Richard Prebble as well. Even Rodney Hide back in the backbencher days. People who weren’t afraid to speak their minds about the change that the country needed and could communicate it well in the media. John Banks pretty much just sat on his ass the whole time in Parliament and supported everything National did. How I miss the days when ACT was anti-National, flat tax advocating and the real opposition party in Parliament.

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  52. RRM (9,932 comments) says:

    Good on ya Banksy!

    I am no great fan; but the stuttered, outraged chorus of But… but… but…!! from the conservohaters when you came out on the side of decency in the Gay marriage debate was a delight to see.

    Their mouths gaping like dying fish as you explained right and wrong with great fairness and eloquence. It was unexpected and quite beautiful! :-)

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  53. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    “Why?

    Act stands a chimp in Epsom (noone would notice the difference) and voters vote tactically and its a free seat for center right.”

    Not necessarily. Under the permutations of MMP, if ACT’s party vote isn’t high enough to win a list seat, it’s entirely possible that ACT winning Epsom could mean one less seat for National.

    It makes sense for National to hand Ohariu to Peter Dunne because the contest between Dunne and Labour is close. But if ACT can’t poll more than the 1.25% needed to win that list seat, unless the potential is there for ACT to rise again there’s little reason for National to continue to give it up.

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  54. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    Seems ‘dodgy john’ has almost gone?

    Next – ‘shonky’ John Key?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  55. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    I’m glad to see, Penny, that you believe in “one law for all” – including the basic right to be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    Oh wait …

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  56. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Rejoice ‘Judicially recognised’ Penny is still here! Or should that be ‘voter recognised’ now? ‘Water recognised’? Do you also own the website dodgyphillipfieldwasinprison.com? Or dodgylabourshouldpayusback.com?

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  57. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Or dodgypennybrightshouldpayherrates.com?

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  58. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    “if ACT’s party vote isn’t high enough to win a list seat, it’s entirely possible that ACT winning Epsom could mean one less seat for National.”
    But it’s break-even for the right. Same if ACT gets over 5%.
    But it’s advantage for the right if ACT gets 1.2-5% because of coat-tails, or significantly less than 1% because of overhang.

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  59. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    ‘One wonders who ACT will select? Catherine Isaac? John Boscawen? Who else is left?!’

    P Dunne hahahaha

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  60. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    I looked at the father, then at the son, and I thought, The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    Wasn’t John Banks police minister at one time?

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  61. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “I’m glad to see, Penny, that you believe in “one law for all” – including the basic right to be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.”

    John Banks, like the cops and most of their lap dogs, has never subscribed to that innocent until PROVEN guilty bollocks.

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  62. rg (214 comments) says:

    Conservatives and ACT are poles apart, ACT stands for protecting private property rights, Conservatives have said if you do not use a property in the way they want they will take it off you.

    Why would ACT select Cameron Brewer? He has nothing to do with the party? I can’t see why the membership would want him over one of their own

    Letting Conservs into parliament will be a mistake, might as well just keep Peters there, (NZ First has similar beliefs to conservs) at least we know waht we are getting with him.

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  63. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    It’s no surprise that lefties think this is great – the poor sods are too dim to remember that not so long ago they were defending Winston for pretty much the same thing saying – It’s not fair to just pick on one when others were doing it too….

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  64. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    Seems that dodgy Penny still has not paid her rates.

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  65. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    big bruv

    She’s a lefty and therefore has good reason to expect to not be held accountable for breaking the law.

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  66. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Banks made one mistake and has one problem;

    1) He’s didn’t hold up a big “NO” sign and say “Move on”.
    2) He’s not a coalition partner with a PM that is prepared to use retrospective validations to kill off the court case.

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  67. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    ‘She’s a lefty and therefore has good reason to expect to not be held accountable for breaking the law.’

    Unions own judges now?

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  68. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    There has been a long list of allegations that Labour MP’s breached the electoral laws – none have ever stood trial.

    I don’t expect you to remember that because being a lefty – It’s OK when your team do it …..

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  69. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    The EFA… I know it was confusing and the Labour MPs that voted to pass it couldn’t be expected to understand it right ….

    Wrong – The conventions of parliament are such that MPs cannot claim the reasonable person defense that the law was confusing – they voted to pass it so they are bound by it…. Unless of course they are Labour MPs when the behave like children and say others were doing it too and it’s not fair that they get punished….

    Good old dim-bulb fist swinger Mallard eh… Driving around in early 2008 in a sigh written van without an authorisation … I didn’t know I needed to have an authorisation …. Just because I voted for a law that said I did surely doesn’t mean I do …

    Retard…

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  70. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    burt

    The sooner long term troughers like Mallard, Goff et al are gone the better.

    As was stated this week, Labour MP’s are notorious for staying out of the job market.

    Their place of fear and loathing.

    But is it ok that J Banks seems very strongly to have broken Electoral laws ???

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  71. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Hey Penny – are you campaigning for KiwiPower and no electricity meters – It seems you should be since you campaign for state control of water and no water meters ?

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  72. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    Something we both agree on …. Yes they are the best seat warmers – that’s for sure.

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  73. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    But is it ok that J Banks seems very strongly to have broken Electoral laws ???

    Hell no – it’s great he is going to trial – it’s a shame he’s probably the first ever in NZ to be held accountable for such an ‘offence’. Hopefully this will set a precedent and we won’t be hearing “not in the public interest” and we won’t be having retrospective validations in the future.

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  74. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    “But is it ok that J Banks seems very strongly to have broken Electoral laws ???”

    Well WB I see your mate Cunliffe is now being investigated by the Police. Given Cunliffe has already admitted he sent the tweet the investigation should be short and maybe he’ll be in Court before John Banks. What happens when he gets the $20,000 fine –does he leave Parliamenrt immdiately as he was trying to tell John Banks to day ???? ( and John has not been proven guilty yet)

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  75. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    So, Kiwibloggers, who at Auckland Council is arguably ‘breaking the law’?

    FYI

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

    42 Chief executive

    (1)A local authority must, in accordance with clauses 33 and 34 of Schedule 7, appoint a chief executive.

    (2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

    (a)implementing the decisions of the local authority; and

    (b)providing advice to members of the local authority and to its community boards, if any; and

    (c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and

    (d)ensuring the effective and efficient management of the activities of the local authority; and

    (e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority; and

    (f)providing leadership for the staff of the local authority; and

    (g)employing, on behalf of the local authority, the staff of the local authority (in accordance with any remuneration and employment policy); and

    (h)negotiating the terms of employment of the staff of the local authority (in accordance with any remuneration and employment policy).

    (3)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for ensuring, so far as is practicable, that the management structure of the local authority—

    (a)reflects and reinforces the separation of regulatory responsibilities and decision-making processes from other responsibilities and decision-making processes; and

    (b)is capable of delivering adequate advice to the local authority to facilitate the explicit resolution of conflicting objectives.

    (4)For the purposes of any other Act, a chief executive appointed under this section is the principal administrative officer of the local authority.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171810.html

    14 Principles relating to local authorities

    (1)In performing its role, a local authority must act in accordance with the following principles:

    (a)a local authority should—

    (i)conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner; and

    (ii)give effect to its identified priorities and desired outcomes in an efficient and effective manner:

    (b)a local authority should make itself aware of, and should have regard to, the views of all of its communities; and

    (c)when making a decision, a local authority should take account of—

    (i)the diversity of the community, and the community’s interests, within its district or region; and

    (ii)the interests of future as well as current communities; and

    (iii)the likely impact of any decision on the interests referred to in subparagraphs (i) and (ii):

    (d)a local authority should provide opportunities for Māori to contribute to its decision-making processes:

    (e)a local authority should collaborate and co-operate with other local authorities and bodies as it considers appropriate to promote or achieve its priorities and desired outcomes, and make efficient use of resources; and

    (f)a local authority should undertake any commercial transactions in accordance with sound business practices; and

    (fa)a local authority should periodically—

    (i)assess the expected returns to the authority from investing in, or undertaking, a commercial activity; and

    (ii)satisfy itself that the expected returns are likely to outweigh the risks inherent in the investment or activity; and

    (g)a local authority should ensure prudent stewardship and the efficient and effective use of its resources in the interests of its district or region; and

    (h)in taking a sustainable development approach, a local authority should take into account—

    (i)the social, economic, and cultural interests of people and communities; and

    (ii)the need to maintain and enhance the quality of the environment; and

    (iii)the reasonably foreseeable needs of future generations.

    (2)If any of these principles conflict in any particular case, the local authority should resolve the conflict in accordance with the principle in subsection (1)(a)(i).

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

    17 Requirement to create and maintain records

    (1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

    (2)Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.

    ….
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Auckland Council ‘books’ are NOT ‘open’.

    In my considered opinion, the CEO of Auckland Council is NOT fulfilling his statutory duties, and ensuring that the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names of the consultants/contractors; the scope; term and value of these contracts are available for public scrutiny.

    Rather than just ‘howling at the moon’ – which appears to be preferred option of Kiwibloggers like ‘Big Bruv’, I am taking direct action to help enforce the ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’ to which citizens and ratepayers are supposed to be lawfully entitled.

    I WILL NOT pay my rates until Auckland Council ‘books’ are open, and I know EXACTLY where my rates monies are being spent.

    I’m sure that thinking members of the ‘Taxpayers Union’ would agree with this, at least in principle?

    However, gutless whingers probably find this course of action just a bit too scary.

    Am I correct, ‘Big (gutless) Bruv’?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

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  76. Nostradamus (3,339 comments) says:

    Penny Dull:

    I WILL NOT pay my rates until Auckland Council ‘books’ are open, and I know EXACTLY where my rates monies are being spent.

    I assume you haven’t opted out of certain services provided by Auckland Council, and funded by other ratepayers, such as rubbish collection services.

    You’re even more of a bludger than Philu. And that’s saying something.

    If you’re so sure that Auckland Council is “breaking the law” (your words), then get McCready on to the case. Otherwise, pay your rates like everyone else, or just fuck off.

    A big FART in your general direction.

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  77. Scott1 (552 comments) says:

    Those in Epsom that I know got a little annoyed about being used for the split vote to get the ACT party in. They thought it was OK with Rodney I think but they felt it was getting pretty cynical with Banks. They are going to get really annoyed if it is a “steaming turd”.

    But I suppose they might swallow it if John Key puts his own turd up against ACT – they won’t be voting labour anyway.

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  78. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    NZ Herald is suggesting that Act supporters are trying to talk Rodney Hide into a comeback. He’s the obvious person to go to.

    Interestingly on Firstline this morning John Boscawen was asked if he would have another go and he avoided the question, talking around it.

    If anyone can win Epsom at lead Act back to political significance it’s him, especially if he’s backed by Boscawen. Can Hide save Act? Will he try?

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  79. deadrightkev (472 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Rodney Hide and his supporters who keenly want him back (some of them so they can stayed employed) are precisely the reason why the party is in the 0-0.5% polling range and has never got off the ground. John Boscawen is in that group too BTW.

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  80. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    Penny

    Long Answer:

    In my considered opinion, the CEO of Auckland Council is NOT fulfilling his statutory duties, and ensuring that the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names of the consultants/contractors; the scope; term and value of these contracts are available for public scrutiny.

    To provide explicit information on project performance to a competitor is not normal and is very seldom prudent.

    The council cannot provide you with all the info you seek as it is constrained by “normal, prudent business practice” to maintain some confidentiality with its contractors.

    I’m sure that thinking members of the ‘Taxpayers Union’ would agree with this, at least in principle?

    In a perfect world where info did not cost anything, the Taxpayers Union probably would support you.

    However in reality everything has a cost and a benefit. Enforcing non-prudent disclosure agreements such as you request will drive up prices for all contracted work. The benefit of providing full info would be that corruption within contracting arrangements would be reduced.

    The existing perception is that any corruption occurring in Auckland is small time and so the costs of changing the law to cater to your stance would be much larger than the benefits.

    Short Answer:

    Pay your rates.

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  81. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    There are a few banks which shouldn’t be standing in 2014

    At least the ANZ conspiracy is being dealt with

    I won’t go into the Libor ratings conspiracy because the children on this blog don’t understand it.

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