Bob Jones on New Australia

December 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

A fascinating column by Bob Jones on the failed socialist experiment of “New Australia”. Go read it.

New Australia was a socialist settlement in Paraguay founded by 238 Australians. It was to be a utopian society based on communist principles.

It was of course a total failure, and split and then dissolved.

Personally I think it is a great idea. Why don’t we gift some island to all those unionists who desperately want a socialist or communist utopia, and let them establish one. I’ve got no objection to them, so long as I’m not forced to fund it.

 

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45 Responses to “Bob Jones on New Australia”

  1. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    It didn’t work – well there is a surprise.

    so long as I’m not forced to fund it

    It’s socialism DPF – they are entitled to other people’s money……

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  2. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    Interesting column by Bob Jones

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  3. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    The response Comments seem to reflect the dogma of the remaining subscribers and columnists of the Herald. The Socialist academia appear however to have learnt from their failed endeavours and have now established a seat of power whereby they are greatly personally enriched for spreading their idealism at the expense of those holding opposing views. That seat, the United Nations.

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  4. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    I don’t think the socialists would be interested in a small island somewhere. They want the two big islands and are well on the way to getting them.

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  5. Monique Angel (229 comments) says:

    If there were ten more people like Sir Bob Jones resident in New Zealand, the country would be transformed.

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  6. MH (558 comments) says:

    Spain is the place to go with co-op societies that still battle on like Mondragon with wage ratio scales and perhaps Marinaleda is another example. They have their ups and downs esp dealing with the impact of the EU.

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  7. Don the Kiwi (1,341 comments) says:

    Paraguay is a shithole anyway – riddled with crime and curuption.
    The country is apparently beautiful and interesting, but governed by a bunch of corrupt socialists.

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  8. ross69 (3,645 comments) says:

    In next week’s column Bob Jones will be going into great detail explaining the reasons for the Global Financial Crisis including why some capitalists got greedy. It will be followed up with why so many finance companies have failed, and how much taxpayers’ money has been spent bailing out the private sector. They sound like great reads.

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  9. Monique Angel (229 comments) says:

    Sounds familiar @Don The Kiwi. Can we expect to hear reports of Gareth Morgan’s idyllic motorcycle trip around another country “misunderstood by the West”‘?

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  10. radvad (620 comments) says:

    The beauty of a free society is we can choose to live as we wish. That freedom of choice is not available under a totalitarian socialist “utopia”.

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  11. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    Nigel Kearney (626 comments) says:
    December 31st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    I don’t think the socialists would be interested in a small island somewhere. They want the two big islands and are well on the way to getting them.

    Funny, judging by some comments here you would have thought we already succeeded at that. ;-)

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  12. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    We should go let all the socialists/communists/liberal progressives/Marxists go and colonize the Moon and create their utopian New Eden there.

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  13. Komata (975 comments) says:

    ‘Tis nothing new in New Zealand. Some of us (those over 40 years of age) will remember David Lange’s government-backed Coromandel peninsula communes.

    These were intended to create a new world ‘of love and peace’ for the flower people and their ilk.

    Oddly, they also failed….

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  14. Liberty (212 comments) says:

    Just another example why the Coalition of luddites is doomed to fail if they are elected into power next year.

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  15. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    ….”another example why the Coalition of luddites is doomed to fail”…..

    They could prosper…..socialism works until the wealth creators have been bled dry or driven out. That would probably take at least six years & then National would be re-elected to rescue the country & balance the books.

    That is how NZ political cycles work.

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  16. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    DPF: Why don’t we gift some island to all those unionists who desperately want a socialist or communist utopia

    I suggest we simply split up NZ. The socialists/commies/greenies get first pick: North or South Island. The other island is to be based upon freedom, and we’ll try to make sure it never becomes socialist by a suitable constitution (yeah, didn’t work so well for the US, but perhaps we can do better now).

    Then let’s see which island people actually want to live in.

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  17. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    ross: how much taxpayers’ money has been spent bailing out the private sector. They sound like great reads.

    You have noticed that it was socialist doing it.

    I fully agree private companies should not be be bailed out. But it’s your side, the socialist (be it Labour or National), that does these kind of things.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @ross69, some education for you: http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_11_Imprimis.pdf

    But only if you are willing to let the facts about the GFC causes disturb your ideology.

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  19. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    berend

    In the feeble mind of a socialist, when the Labour government bail out business it’s protecting jobs. ( union membership numbers, subs for donating to labour ). When National bail out business it’s money for the shareholders…

    For them, it’s different when Labour do it.

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  20. ross69 (3,645 comments) says:

    Thanks for that Alan.

    Here’s some light reading for you.

    http://forumonpublicpolicy.com/spring09papers/archivespr09/wargo.pdf

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  21. lolitasbrother (354 comments) says:

    thanks a lot Farrar , so many poor people suffer in Paraguay for the crap monocrop oil fields

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  22. cha (3,545 comments) says:

    Of course Nueva Germania and Fordlândia were successful too.
    /

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  23. Maggy Wassilieff (180 comments) says:

    NZ’s state-sponsored communes (ohu) pre-date David Lange’s government. They came in during Norman Kirk’s time.

    http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/communes-and-communities/sources

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  24. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Ross 69 In next week’s column Bob Jones will be going into great detail explaining the reasons for the Global Financial Crisis including why some capitalists got greedy. It will be followed up with why so many finance companies have failed, and how much taxpayers’ money has been spent bailing out the private sector. They sound like great reads.

    And not a jot to do with FREE market Capitalism…..and everything to do with Government dictated crony corporatism….

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  25. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Paraguay Aussies
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/new-zealands-cows-come-home-in-its-own-commodities-boom-20131230-302cr.html

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  26. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Paraguay Aussies [apologies did not copy correctly previous post]

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  27. OneTrack (1,985 comments) says:

    “That freedom of choice is not available under a totalitarian socialist “utopia”.”

    But you might choose the “wrong” thing. You must be protected from your bad decisions (like drinking coke or eating kfc). And, coveniently, there are many left-wingers eager to step up and tell you what to do (and what to think)

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  28. Yoza (1,357 comments) says:

    Over 200 working class Australians and an alcohol ban wasn’t an experiment with socialism it was an experiment with impossible expectations. And, no surprises here, the main instigator, William Lane, went on to become “…a conservative editor of the New Zealand Herald“.

    The reflexive authoritarian tendencies of Marxists aren’t too far removed from the totalitarian system championed by corporate US and celebrated in countries like New Zealand. I like David Graeber’s observation that communism is the default form of social organisation for humananity and capitalism is just another unsustainable form of communism adopted to serve the interests of elite concentrations of power.

    Has Bob Jones ever written anything worth reading?

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  29. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Has Bob Jones ever written anything worth reading?

    Yes. A book titled “The first 100 days of Labour government“: one hundred blank pages.

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  30. Yoza (1,357 comments) says:

    Why don’t we gift some island to all those unionists who desperately want a socialist or communist utopia, and let them establish one. I’ve got no objection to them, …

    Sounds good, we’ll take the North Island.

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  31. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    ….”we’ll take the North Island.”….

    Don’t be greedy Yoza…..Little Barrier Island would do nicely.

    After all you’re socialists. It’s not as if you’ll actually be doing anything…..you would only need room to stand around making speeches about dividing up a cake that wouldn’t exist. :)

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  32. Steve (North Shore) (4,330 comments) says:

    Yoza, you say the wrong words.
    “We take” should be “We accept” See ‘take’ means you demand it, ‘accept’ means it is a gift.
    Now fuck off and behave as a New Zealander would, instead of a bludger with the ‘entitlitus’ disease

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  33. F E Smith (3,276 comments) says:

    there are many left-wingers eager to step up and tell you what to do (and what to think)

    And with that said, along comes Yoza…

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  34. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I’d give socialists/greenies Somes Island. It’s big enough to fit all of the moaning fuckers and easily hit with artillery once we’ve got the whole lot of them well established! :)

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  35. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I can see it all now. One of them would be running about trying to dodge the shells and screaming that he was really a capitalist and the ginga would be screaming “Wheres me flag!” so he could surrender! :)

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  36. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    Soames Island covers only 24.9Ha. They reckon that you can cram 240.000 people shoulder to shoulder in one square kilometre. Therefore at maximum stocking of the island you’d only have 60K socialists to target.

    Think big JB…..artillery ordnance doesn’t come cheap! :)

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  37. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    We could do in shifts and tell the following lots that what they heard last night was a “free” fireworks display paid for by taxing the rich nasska! :)

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  38. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    If we make sure that they all get a copy of UN Agenda 21 to read they might do the decent thing & top themselves to save the world JB. :)

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  39. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    If UN Agenda 21 has a nude centerfold of Helen I’m sure they will nasska! :)

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  40. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    A nude Darren Hughes against the backdrop of a few exercise balls on the cover should do it for those not as one with the scowling control freak JB. :)

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  41. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    With Annette King in her leather gear wielding a whip on his neither regions nasska. :)

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  42. nasska (9,561 comments) says:

    Perfect….all bases covered! :)

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  43. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    How many of today’s fresh faced Chardonnay socialist half thinkers even know about this example of what happens when their ideology is put into practice?

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  44. Morrissey (7 comments) says:

    Sounds like a great novel in the making here. Maybe Bob’s little brother is on to it already.

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  45. Albert_Ross (178 comments) says:

    I thought Jones did a terrible job here of showing that this was a failure of socialism.

    He shows that it doesn’t work to expect men to refrain from sex in the presence of attractive women, or to ban alcohol consumption – both well established, but neither requirement is inherent to or unique to socialism.

    He shows that people found the living conditions difficult, but that was because of the physical environment and would have been the case however the social and economic rules were structured.

    All he actually says about the one aspect of this experiment that was genuinely and peculiarly socialist, ie collective ownership, is that it didn’t work because “people are not ants”. Indeed they are not, but where and when was it ever stated that socialism requires people to have six legs and an exoskeleton? This point needs to be expanded and de-metaphorised to make the case as to why socialism didn’t work here and doesn’t work elsewhere either.

    The problem is that it requires people to be socially-minded to start with; ie, to be happy to do the best they can for the collective good (“from each according to his ability”) and to take no more of the collective wealth than they genuinely need for themselves (“to each according to his need”). If people are willing voluntarily to do that, then socialism will work and that would be a very fine state of affairs with no need for enforcement or administration.

    If they have to be forced to do that, then it will not. People respond to incentives, and the incentives provided by socialism are precisely the wrong ones. Those who are concerned first and foremost about their own welfare and that of their immediate family, ie most of us, will quickly realise that those interests are best served by concealing their own abilities, so that less is required from them by the central authority, and exaggerating their own needs, so that more will be given to them by that same central authority.

    Match individual reward to individual effort, on the other hand, and watch your new society take off …

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