Censorship from Bradbury

December 23rd, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

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posted the above image on his union funded and supported website. The URL wasn’t on it (he has deleted the original – this version is from Whale Oil). It is a very obvious anti-semitic image, and this was pointed out to him on Twitter by Giovani Tiso and Russell Brown. They did not say Bradbury was anti-semitic – they said that the image was and Tiso even said he assumed Bradbury was ignorant of its use on anti-semitic sites.. They asked him to remove it.

He then stuck up a post attacking them, comparing them to the Israeli Defence Forces etc.  He refused to show the original image, and stuck up a partial image that didn’t show the “Father Christmas”.

Now I’m not too worried about a feud between those three gentlemen. They can all look after themselves. But what is of concern is the editorial policy of The Daily Blog. When Tiso responded with a comment saying he had never accused Bradbury of anti-semitism, Bradbury refused to publish the comment.

And when another commenter tried to back Tiso, that comment was also blocked. Neither comment was in any way abusive or could be judged to be inappropriate. They were censored because they dared to disagree with Bradbury. And to the contrary comments attacking Brown in very vicious language (saying he should have been born with a vagina) were allowed through.

Bradbury has been a guest lecturer or tutor at a journalism school. He often goes on about freedom of speech. It is very apparent that his idea of freedom of speech is speech that agrees with him.

As I said, I’m not too fussed over the issues itself of the image. The Little Pakeha has a good post setting it all out for those interested. And Bradbury has now apologised for his post attacking Tiso and Brown. What I want to draw attention to is that the moderation policy of The Daily Blog is based on whether or not Bradbury agrees with your views.

What is especially disturbing is that he would use the site to attack someone, and refuse to publish a very reasonable comment from them in response.  And this person is paraded before journalism students as someone they can learn from.

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154 Responses to “Censorship from Bradbury”

  1. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    What really pisses me off are those disgusting cartoons showing John Key with a huge nose and obvious Jewish features that seem to appear on a regular basis on our mainstream media. I can’t remember the name of the talentless shite that draws them as he/she is very forgettable.

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  2. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    Evil Santa

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Evil_Santa.jpg

    Question: is the caricature really so obviously anti-semitic without the accompanying text?

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  3. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Bradbury has always filtered out views he doesn’t want aired on The Daily Blog, not always but often. So comment threads there can never be assumed to be a representative sample of opinions about the posts.

    It took hours for Bradbury to remove the image. It also took hours for him to realise how unpopular his post making excuses and attacking Brown and Tiso was. Another TDB author Frank Macskasy has been allowed to comment (probably passed moderation himself) and points out the obvious:

    Frank Macskasy says:
    December 23, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Interesting the number of negative votes…

    That speaks volumes about what is going on here.

    Even the few comments supporting Bradbury were getting hammered – notably the first was Labour and union activist Te Reo Putake.

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  4. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Hodgson and Tremain from the hopeless rag The Dom Post.

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  5. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Question: is the caricature really so obviously anti-semitic without the accompanying text?

    When you see the sites it is used on and the context it is in, yes, and this was pointed out and explained to Bradbury early on.

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  6. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The original image used by Bradbury is from a site and article about David Duke on a white supremacist site.

    The man’s a fuckwit and did he get snakey with R Brown and co.

    There were many other images he could have used, just strange he went to this site to obtain one

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  7. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Two nasty little talentless shites Manolo!

    That would be what you would expect from the Dompost rag. :)

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  8. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    I seem to remember that if you do a cartoon taking the piss out of the murri sending their kids to school hungry you get pilloried in this little slice of Godzone heaven but anti-Semitic shit is seemingly OK.

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  9. iMP (2,143 comments) says:

    This is nothing new. It happened all the time throughout the same sex marriage debates. It still goes on, like the pro-gay ‘God’ facebook site that censors its comments all day long to manufacture a one-way stream of support and idiot opponents.

    I at first did not make the anti-semitic connection, but I see it now. We need to be really careful about this, so I support you DPF about Bradbury; even if it was unconscious or ignorant, anti-semiticism has to be fought wherever it rears its ugly head and the association with Jews, Banks and World Conspiracies is rabid.

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  10. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    The main issue is not that Bradbury used the image, presumably unaware of it’s associations.

    It was Bradbury defending using it despite being explained what it was linked to, and his attacking of anyone criticising him, and not allowing anyone he attacked on TDB to post comments in defence of what they did.

    As usual in politics it wasn’t the initial mistake that caused such a problem, it was the poor way he dealt with it.

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  11. Judith (5,643 comments) says:

    If that picture is anti-semitic then someone better complain about Disney too for their very similar portrayal of Ebenesa Scrooge. In fact, the image is so similar there could even be questions of copyright.

    I think the accusation could be successfully defended by claiming that the image is in fact meant to portray the very seasonal image of Scrooge, who was also a money lender.

    In short, I think you are pushing it up hill on this one!!

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  12. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Just like “Maori can’t be racist”, the left can’t be “bigoted, bullying, lying half-wits”, even when some appear to act very much like bigoted, bullying, lying half-wits. I’m sure there must be some mistake. Move on, nothing to see here.

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  13. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Seeing how you are the most fully conversant on matters pertaining to shit on KB Judith we really all should defer to your judgement! :)

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  14. Judith (5,643 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,276 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Huh? Oh yeah, …….. whatever

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  15. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    Censorship is something the government does. Freedom of speech is something the government either upholds or violates. Neither has any connection to what someone does on their own web site. The technical term for what Bradbury did is ‘being a complete dickhead.’

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  16. Ruminator (18 comments) says:

    We have long ceased expecting consistency from our friend Bomber. He had a tanty at us for hosting Judith Collins’ guest post on our blog, saying if he wanted to read “right wing trash” he’d go to the Herald.

    And then hilariously he had Colin Craig and Matthew Hooton on his “TV Show”.

    Bless him. He’s trying his best.

    Edit: spelling

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  17. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    In relation to the message…….

    if you spend money you don’t have on things you don’t need,then who is doing the enslaving?

    Certainly not the evil bankers….. back to conservative principles,personal responsibility for your own actions ,you’re making your own decisions to create your own poverty.

    But of course for the left, it’s always someone else’s fault,preferably capitalism.

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  18. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    I take you don’t buy your gear from Home Direct or get a loan until payday from Cash in a Flash kowtow?

    Judith does, she made some wrong decisions earlier on in her life! :)

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  19. George Patton (330 comments) says:

    Martyn Bradbury is an evil, nasty, closeted racist. A man so desperate for outlandish attention, he’s blown all chances for mainstream recognition as a journalist through his repeatedly venomous comments about perfectly reasonable people that he disagrees with. Those people run the gamut of the political spectrum from John Key to Russell Brown. He’s a complete embarrassment to the left, and joy for the centre-right to behold. In much the same way that there exists a Godwin’s law, there exists a Bradbury’s Rule – that when Martyn Bradbury enters the debate in any meaningful way, the prospects of a reasonable centre-left consensus opinion approaches zero.

    Oh – and I love the parody website of him as a real estate agent, well done Imperator Fish! http://martynbradburyrealty.com/Welcome.html

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  20. Scott Chris (5,672 comments) says:

    If that picture is anti-semitic then someone better complain about Disney too for their very similar portrayal of Ebenesa Scrooge.

    Walt Disney was widely considered to be anti-semitic but to be fair widely held societal values have changed somewhat:

    Disney was long rumored to be antisemitic during his lifetime, and such rumors persisted after his death. In 1938 he welcomed German filmmaker and Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl to Hollywood to promote her film Olympia. Even after news of Kristallnacht broke, Disney did not cancel his invitation to Riefenstahl. Disney told Riefensthal he admired her work but if it became known that he was considering hiring her, it would damage his reputation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney#Accusations_of_antisemitism_and_racism

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  21. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Well said George S Patton.

    Give the Bradbury bastard one in the arse from your Colt Single Action Army .45 revolver and another where his brain would be, if he had one, from your ivory-gripped Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum…… Note both aiming points are most likely the same! :)

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  22. greenjacket (346 comments) says:

    Dean Papa: “Question: is the caricature really so obviously anti-semitic without the accompanying text?”

    Umm yes. Anti-semites claim that there is an international conspiracy in which the Jewish banks and international capital seek to enslave mankind. The cringing figure is supposed to be “the eternal Jew”. The all-seeing eye/temple of Solomon symbol is supposed to be either the Illuminati or a Jewish symbol.

    This picture and text is what you’d expect in a nazi party paper – not in a 21st century blogsite supposing itself to be “progressive”.

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  23. OneTrack (1,950 comments) says:

    Censorship from the left? – Is anybody in this day and age surprised? This is what they do – Leftie 101 – control the message.

    But its interesting on Bradbury’s site. Whining that Whale/DPF dont have the right image, but he will only show fragments (which look exactly like Dpfs picture). What an idiot. He obviously received a call from the Party teling him to get rid of the picture and apologise or he was going to be sent to the gulag.

    Regarding the anti-semitism, he probably used the picture for exactly that reason, to associate “evil bankers” and Key.

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  24. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    Bradbury is a nasty fat bastard with a fatty brain.

    Will the Race Relations Commissioner look at this? The squash champion was supposed to break the Marxist mould in which previous commissioners were cast. Let’s see if the PC mob have already brainwashed her.

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  25. Scott Chris (5,672 comments) says:

    They were censored because they dared to disagree with Bradbury.

    Yeah, same thing happened to me on Brown’s blog. Precious twat called me a troll and banned me for arguing rationally.

    They could learn a thing or two from David Farrar.

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  26. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    they’ve not been kicked off facebook …yet?

    https://www.facebook.com/IlluminatiAgenda

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  27. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    The same could be said of the limp-wristed and delicate Lynn Prentice at The sub-Standard, who bans people at will.

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  28. doggone7 (486 comments) says:

    Once a week in the afternoon Jim Mora on RadioNZ has an ‘Eight months to Mars’ segment. I’d nominate David Farrar, Martyn Bradbury and Cameron Slater for the trip. They would make a lovely group – bags not go with them though.

    Their suitability for each other is neatly summed up by George Patton when he stated “.. is an evil, nasty, closeted racist. A man so desperate for outlandish attention, he’s blown all chances for mainstream recognition as a journalist through his repeatedly venomous comments about perfectly reasonable people that he disagrees with.” Sentiments very similar to these, sometimes with subtle additions and alterations are used to describe each by different people at different times.

    I don’t know about mainstream recognition. Each lambasts, loathes and lashes mainstream media in their own way when it suits, yet are sought by the same for certain purposes. Offers seemingly readily taken up.

    One proviso for the Mars trip: Slater should be left as a koha for the Martians. Should there be no such creatures he should still stay. He deserves his own company.

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  29. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    doggone7..You are obviously the chap he was thinking about when that unknown genius once said “It takes all sorts to make a world” ! :) :)

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  30. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Is it true that Lynn has a pierced ear on the right hand side Manolo? :)

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  31. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    Being anti-Illuminati doesn’t mean one is anti-Jewish. Just like being anti-Catholic doesn’t mean one is anti-Christian.

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  32. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    Doggone7, you are way off course grouping David Farrar and Whale with the loathsome Bradbury.

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  33. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    The delicate Lynn Prentice is know for banning people dressed in a pink tutu while sipping Chardonnay.
    He’s is as strong and determinate as Chrissy Carter and Champagne Charlie Chauvel.

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  34. OneTrack (1,950 comments) says:

    The other thing about the poster is the implication that you (the proletariat) simply cant be trusted to only buy the things you “need”. No doubt Bradbury and his fellow travellers see that as their role, to tell you what you need. No wonder they hate the free market – it represents the opposite of their ideology.

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  35. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    The first rule in dealing with Bomber is screen cap everything. As shown here:

    Fucknodailyblog.tumblr.com

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  36. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    As Manolo said above.. this is exactly as per Stranded SOP. Lie and ban you if they dont like the message.

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  37. James Stephenson (1,880 comments) says:

    If that picture is anti-semitic then someone better complain about Disney too for their very similar portrayal of Ebenesa Scrooge.

    Well yes, and Fagin (Dickens again) and Shakespeare’s Shylock too, these lazy stereotypes have been part of Western, Christian, culture for a long long time. Usually the short of unthinking stuff that the Left are so hot on, when it comes to non-white people or women, but always a blind spot with anti-semitism.

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    Your credit debt all goes to the Rothchilds and Rockefellers

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  39. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,784 comments) says:

    Exquisite.

    Circular firing squad.

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  40. adamsmith1922 (879 comments) says:

    How anyone could doubt that this image is anti-semitic even without the accompanying words is beyond me. It is redolent of the images carried in Nazi party organs in the 1930s.

    Then of course there is wikiriwhiris comment above at 3.09 pm, that is anti-semitic with it’s reference to the Rothchilds, incorrectly spelt by the way. Rockefeller, per Wikipedia, was a devoted Northern Baptist and supported many church-based institutions. So another allusion based on incorrect information.

    Bradbury is seen by many as dumb, but frankly that assertion in regard to this I find not credible, especially when you look at the exchanges between Bradbury, Tiso and Russell Brown; coupled with his response when the matter was raised.

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    ‘Rockefeller, per Wikipedia, was a devoted Northern Baptist and supported many church-based institutions. So another allusion based on incorrect information.’

    There is more than one Rockefeller and David Rockefeller is no Christian or even dominated believer.

    He is a banker who co runs Babylon. Being Wall St of New York and the HQ of the UN

    Babylon is headed to the extreme prejudicial judement of God when it’s potential is fulfilled.

    Did you know all central banks in the world belong to the Rothchilds.

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  42. adamsmith1922 (879 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis you are a stupid racist anti-semite, go and crawl back under the stone you came out from under. Your reference to Babylon suggests that you are some sort of weirdo with a penchant for conspiracy theory.

    BTW it is Rothschild.

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  43. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    @wikiriwhis: I have a copy of The Protocols of Zion, the real McCoy, for sale at the bargain price of $100.

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  44. MH (558 comments) says:

    stamping out stereotypes has been ongoing for generations and yet they still exists. The lazy Maori,the dumb Irishman and blondie. All humour is based on some bias,sexism or prejudice.Ho hum. Rothchild$

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    adamsmith1922

    I’m a Bible believing Christian who is well aware of the atrocities Israel metes out to Palestine.

    Most of the world seems to know except you.

    You haven’t heard of the international protests against Israel ?

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  46. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Sawry bud. I am well aware of Israels long term goals.

    What I find curious is why no one asks why Arab nations do not assist the Palestinians in their suffering.

    Obviously, the Arabs are leveraged in highlighting Israeli persecution of their Palestinian brothers.

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  47. adamsmith1922 (879 comments) says:

    Your comment at 4:20 is totally irrelevant to the topic of anti-semitism.

    The atrocities as you term them have absolutely nothing to do with this topic. You are using the atrocity flag as a deflection mechanism.

    BTW it is likely that many members of the Nazi Party might have described themselves as Bible believing Christians.

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  48. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    ‘BTW it is likely that many members of the Nazi Party might have described themselves as Bible believing Christians.’

    Most of them were Catholics and remain uncondemned by the RC church.

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  49. peterwn (2,932 comments) says:

    Martyn and operators of left wing blogs are too dumb to realise that if they treat followers in this manner, they will lose interest. People will not want to comment if their comments do not see the light of day.

    Then they whine when Whaleoil and Kiwiblog have the largest followings.

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  50. duggledog (1,102 comments) says:

    Bradbury’s career so far:

    Editor of Cracum, Auckland uni student magazine for about a year or two. Desperate for attention he published some article about how to kill yourself or something. Lame as all hell designed to provoke, it’s what militant try hard students do.

    DJ on failed Auckland radio station channel Z

    Presenter on failed one off TV series for TV3, nobody watched it, wasn’t re-commissioned

    Appeared a few times on left wing RNZ until he proved too far left for them (that is quite an achievement)

    Has a low rent angry blog ‘Tumeke’

    Has / Had a low rent TV show nobody watched on a channel nobody tunes into; ‘Citizen A’

    Please be charitable to this individual at Christmas time.

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  51. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    It’s great to see US academics come out and condemn Israel’s racist policies, while here on KB the big issue is Martyn Bradbury! No surprises there…while the world mourned the passing of Nelson Mandela, John Key was whining about Hone. Priceless.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/16/uk-usa-israel-boycott-idUKBRE9BF1GH20131216

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  52. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    Great also to see Stephen Hawking’s put down of Israel by boycotting a conference there. He “made it clear that if he had gone he would have used the occasion to criticise Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians.”

    Let’s face it – Israel is like apartheid-era South Africa.

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2013/may/13/stephen-hawking-boycott-israel-science

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  53. srylands (301 comments) says:

    “I’m a Bible believing Christian who is well aware of the atrocities Israel metes out to Palestine.”

    Of course you are. Another piece falls into place.

    So you believe the earth is 4,000 years old, right?

    Israel is not perfect, but it is the only democracy in a region mostly populated by islamic dictatorships with murderous intent. Israel should not be beyond criticism, but as a nation it will always get my support over the irrational religious tyranny it opposes.

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  54. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    Israel….. a shining beacon of western democracy in a sea of Islamic corruption ,decay and violence.

    Up yours Hawkings and ross 69.

    ps The world did not mourn Mandela,the “progressive” media did.

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  55. Maggy Wassilieff (180 comments) says:

    It would be good if those folks who want to rail against evil capitalists kept up with the play. It looks like the communist bankers are now leading the game. http://www.accuity.com/useful-links/bank-rankings/

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  56. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Funny how the right now lurch to the defence of Jews now that they are no longer a persecuted minority. Great timing.

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  57. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Israel….. a shining beacon of western democracy in a sea of Islamic corruption ,decay and violence.

    As long as you don’t count the millions of disenfranchised residents of the West Bank. ;-)

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  58. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Your credit debt all goes to the Rothchilds and Rockefellers

    Wiki
    Rockefeller was a baptist. You must think Xmas runs 365 days a year. You get your arse handed to you on a plate every fucking day

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  59. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    wiki

    Its school holidays, as I’ve said before go and do some reading before you comment, I suggest “Titan” by Ron Chernow and David Rockefellers (the one who is 98) memoir , both fantastic reads.

    Fascinating family actually.

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  60. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson>As long as you don’t count the millions of disenfranchised residents of the West Bank.

    Disenfranchised how? They most recently voted for the PLO and Mahmoud Abbas.

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  61. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    I’m basking in the yellow sun of 21 thumbs up since I got back from the grandchildren playing with the PC! :)

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  62. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Disenfranchised how? They most recently voted for the PLO and Mahmoud Abbas.

    Surely you can do better than that hasbara bs

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  63. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    I didn’t see this picture as being overtly anti-semitic, but then I didn’t see the old ASB ads being anti-semitic either so goes to show what I know.
    People we all need to take a “toughen the fuck up” pill, else we’re likely to become a pack of whingy, bleating big girl blousers….oh shit & there I go offending 50% of the world.

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  64. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    Bradbury is seen by many as dumb, but frankly that assertion in regard to this I find not credible, especially when you look at the exchanges between Bradbury, Tiso and Russell Brown; coupled with his response when the matter was raised.

    Right on the money, as usual Adam.

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  65. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    As long as we never, ever, ever again offend the Murri edhunter I agree with you regarding the “toughen the fuck up” pill! :)

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  66. elscorcho (138 comments) says:

    I have had this happen to me. I tried to post something on the Daily Blog a little while ago pointing out that a particular TDB campaign was actually supporting some rather uber-capitalists, and I found it unusual that a so-called socialist website would support exploiter/parasite/kulaks.

    Mr Bradbury obviously disagreed and decided that pointing out his hypocricy was not a good look for his site.

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  67. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    From what I can gather through trawling the interweb, the artist responsible for the bad Santa caricature might be called Sebastian Kruger. Who is quite famous, it seems. So I’m fairly sure we can say that there was no anti-semitic intent by the artist. Perhaps it was intended as some sort of an anti-racist statement? Impossible to tell without the original context.

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  68. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    Cool Johnboy I agree to never be offended by what ever you have to say when offending the Murri’s & I’ll throw in the Muzzy’s for free.

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  69. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    kowtow (5,953 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Israel….. a shining beacon of western democracy in a sea of Islamic corruption ,decay and violence.

    Up yours Hawkings and ross 69.

    ps The world did not mourn Mandela,the “progressive” media did.

    It doesn’t really count as a democracy if the European immigrants conduct ethnic cleansing progroms, where the indigenous population is either slaughtered or transported to ghettos, before any voting takes place. The ‘white man’s land’ of the Middle East will end up going the same way as the ‘white man’s land’ of Southern Africa. Those who support apartheid Israel now are the same racist idiots that supported apartheid South Africa then.

    The Israelis will end up carrying white guilt in the same way the Western white world enjoys heaping the institution of racism onto white South Africans, who inherited the burden off Southern US rednecks.

    The very worst enemies of Israel are those, in the West, who continue to express their eternal support and admiration for this sordid little blight on humanity.

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  70. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://incogman.net/2012/12/the-jewish-war-on-christmas-2/

    Dean Papa
    This is where Bradley got it from.

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  71. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Long live the Jewish State!

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  72. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson>Surely you can do better than that hasbara bs

    You said they were disenfranchised. I pointed out that they have elections, and named their president and their main political party. If your point was intended to be something other than the incorrect one you made, then you’ll have to explain it with more detail because I’m not up-to-date on left-wing anti-semitic rhetoric.

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  73. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Seems like a fair deal to me edhunter. You can never offend a Murri as long as you have enough cash to assuage their Taniwha of the Visa card and the Muzzies are ok too if you tell them the sausage’s have no pork in them! :)

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  74. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Illuminati? Global Banking conspiracy? Antisemitism?? Reid, quick!!!

    Looks like a few friends are here already :-)

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  75. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    davidp (3,082 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Tom Jackson>Surely you can do better than that hasbara bs

    You said they were disenfranchised. I pointed out that they have elections, and named their president and their main political party.

    Fatah are a subsidiary of the Eueopean/US occupation of Palestine, when the Palestinians voted out Fatah in Gaza and selected Hamas to represent them the European/US occupation was so incensed it slaughtered over a thousand of them in a vicious military assault.

    ‘Democracy’ means nothing when uttered by Western statesmen.

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  76. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    PEB, that is obviously a racist website. I don’t believe Bradbury got the cartoon from there.

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  77. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    I have to admit that I have been conducting a little KB experiment today. Normally I comment later at night as I am a busy captain of industry and just a part time sheep shagger! :)

    Mostly I get the odd thumbs up or six but never more than that. The aberration that is the JB thumbs down monster is just that, an aberration! :)

    Today I just happened upon a virgin thread and said various things that I thought would appeal to KB’rs.

    Lo and behold I have hit the jackpot and even the darkened doorway JB sniper is missing! :)

    You really are a pack of easily led wankers aren’t you? :)

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  78. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    He did, I followed the whole row on twitter

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  79. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    Oh joy! TimG_Oz is here to front the argument for a white supremacist state in the former Palestine.

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  80. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    If I hadn’t seem the thread count, I would never have believed that so many people could actually give a flying fuck about the deadbeat loser Bradbury.

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  81. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Man, Yoza is pretty funny. Not even an Israel post, its about accusations of Jeed controlling the world and he’s straight in there

    Whats funny is that Sephardi Jews actually outnumber Ashkenazi. There are descendents of 1 million refugees from Arab countries thst arrived in the 1950s alone
    You’ll see more brown faces there than white :-)

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  82. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Yoza>Fatah are a subsidiary of the Eueopean/US occupation of Palestine, when the Palestinians voted out Fatah in Gaza and selected Hamas to represent them the European/US occupation was so incensed it slaughtered over a thousand of them in a vicious military assault.

    Your comment is only barely coherent, but I’ll have a crack at it anyway…

    1. Europe hasn’t occupied any of Palestine since 1948.

    2. The US has never occupied Palestine.

    3. Neither Europe or the US has slaughtered anyone in Gaza in recent times.

    4. Israel has killed Palestinians in Gaza recently. But only in an attempt to stop Hamas shooting rockets at Israel. This has been proportionate and is legal under international law.

    I know anti-semitism has been around for a couple of thousand years now, but don’t you feel dirty joining Bradbury, Minto, and some other of history’s most disgusting people when you join in their Jew-hatred?

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  83. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    TimG_Oz (861 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Whats funny is that Sephardi Jews actually outnumber Ashkenazi.

    If that is the case then why have all of Israel’s Prime Ministers been Ashkenazi?

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  84. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    ….”Lo and behold I have hit the jackpot and even the darkened doorway JB sniper is missing!”….

    You’ve hit on Baity’s secret strategy for becoming one of the most popular commenters on KB Johnboy. Your comment must be one of the first six on the thread, must accept Colin Craig as the new Messiah & mustn’t say anything hurtful about Baby Jesus.

    Follow these golden rules & green ticks will follow you where ever you may go. :)

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  85. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Ah, that’s because of the global conspiracy that you love ;-)

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_Mizrahi_and_Sephardi_Jews

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  86. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Bollocks nasska. You have to be the FIRST commenter on the thread. Say something complementary about the size of JK’s nose. Present yourself as a defender of minority groupings other than Murri. An attacker of the said nose pickers and a vigorous critic of the MSM bastards.

    If you get all that right you are in with a chance for 25 points! :)

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  87. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    ps nasska: picking on poor old Judith can only enhance your chances! :)

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  88. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Have you milked the pigs yet? :)

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  89. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    ….”Have you milked the pigs yet?”….

    Nah….busy day shearing the cows JB. :)

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  90. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    I have to admit that I have been conducting a little KB experiment today……………You really are a pack of easily led wankers aren’t you?

    Johnboy, sometimes you are just spot on despite your best intentions :-)

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  91. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    davidp (3,083 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Your comment is only barely coherent, but I’ll have a crack at it anyway…

    1. Europe hasn’t occupied any of Palestine since 1948.

    The Ashkenazi, who dominate Israeli society, are the descendants of Europeans who converted to Judaism in the twelfth century a.d., these Europeans have the feeblest of tenuous genetic link with Palestine. The other large ethnic group of Jews living in Israel, the Sephardi, immigrated from other Middle Eastern states. The European Ashkenazi are the original occupiers and they staked their claim through violently ethnically cleansing the indigenous Palestinian population.

    2. The US has never occupied Palestine.

    Israel has become little more than an appendage of the US. Without US guaranteeing a market for Israeli high tech. industry, massive financial support, military and logistical support Israel would be nonviable as a ‘national’ entity.

    3. Neither Europe or the US has slaughtered anyone in Gaza in recent times.

    The US allowed Israel to use weapons of mass destruction (white phosphorous) against civilian targets during the Israeli ‘Cast Lead’ assault on Gaza in direct contravention of international law. As the US provides Israel with arms and logistical support, any Israeli military action is, by proxy, a US military action – you don’t hear the US state asking for accountability for the assault on the USS Liberty, do you?

    4. Israel has killed Palestinians in Gaza recently. But only in an attempt to stop Hamas shooting rockets at Israel. This has been proportionate and is legal under international law.

    Gaza is just a huge concentration camp maintained under an Israeli seige, Israel has broken international law so many times (and been condemned for it at the UN) that saying Israel hasn’t recently broken international law is just weird.

    I know anti-semitism has been around for a couple of thousand years now, but don’t you feel dirty joining Bradbury, Minto, and some other of history’s most disgusting people when you join in their Jew-hatred?

    The Palestinians are a Semitic people, supporting the humanity of Palestinians in the face of the murderous activity of the Israeli state is only described as ‘anti-Semitic’ by the terminally stupid. And I do not hate Jews, most of the information I have read about the murderous Israeli occupation has come from the pens of the likes of Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Amira Hass, Gideon Levy and the like, … all of Jewish heritage. I think it is safe to say that I admire Noam Chomsky more than any other public intellectual I have ever read.

    Massive fail, davidP.

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  92. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Well give me a bloody up thumb Colville! :)

    I crave the attention of the crowd! :)

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  93. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Even if they are all dumbfucks! :)

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  94. thor42 (756 comments) says:

    I agree with davidp.

    There has never been a standalone state called “Palestine”. Palestine is the name of a *region* in very much the same way that Siberia is.

    As for the term “Palestinians”, this site answers that very well –
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/invented_people_or_invented_history_1.html
    Quote – “In 1948, before there were “Palestinians” and there were just Arabs who lived in the British Mandate of Palestine, the local Arab inhabitants claimed simply that the land belonged to the Arabs. That seemed good enough, since no local Arab thought of himself as much more than a person associated with a local tribe or clan. Anyway, the Jews would soon be swept into the sea by Arab armies. Thus although the United Nations offered the local Arabs a state called Palestine, they declined to take it.

    When the area was occupied by Jordanian and Egyptian armies in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948 and 1967, there was no call to create a Palestinian state in those territories, but rather to continue the struggle to eliminate the illegitimate (in Arab eyes) nation of Israel. The PLO was created only in 1964 (after the Arabs had lost two wars attempting to destroy Israel) and it rose to become the representative of the “Palestinian people” only in the mid-1970s (after the Arabs had lost two further campaigns).”

    More on the “Palestinians” –
    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/hamas-leader-admits-palestinian-identity-is-invented—fakestinians/question-2574023/

    Quote – “In a televised address on Al-Hekma TV last week, Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad basically backed up Gingrich’s assessment, acknowledging that the roots of most “Palestinians” are elsewhere in the Middle East, and that the Palestinian label is only a thin veneer.

    Those pushing for a Palestinian state try to paint the Palestinian Arabs as somehow distinct from the Arabs round-about, and therefore in need of their own state. Not so, said Hammad. “Every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots – whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties.”

    More than that, Hammad stated that the true regional background of most “Palestinians” is not in “Palestine.”

    “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis,” exclaimed the Hamas minister.”

    The last say can come from the americanthinker site again –
    Quote – “For Palestinian nationalism, in whatever form, has never been about establishing a new Arab state called Palestine — call it Canaan for all they care, for Palestine is a Roman name — but destroying an existing state called Israel. That is the truth that Gingrich touched. It is not just that Palestinians are an invented people, but that by inventing a bogus history, they seek to rob the Jews, a historically legitimate people, of their own.”

    In 1948, the Arab armies strongly encouraged the Arabs then living in Israel to leave (while the armies attacked Israel). These are the people now thought of by the world as “Palestinians”. Having encouraged them to leave (and then stuffing things up for them by not winning the war), it is the *Arabs* who bear almost all of the responsibility for the so-called “Palestinian problem”.

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  95. thor42 (756 comments) says:

    I see that Yoza is repeating the “Gaza as concentration camp” nonsense.

    Here is a page showing photos of the so-called “concentration camp” –
    http://www.israellycool.com/2010/11/06/a-taste-of-concentration-camp-gaza-best-photo-collection/

    Terrible, ay….. :)

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  96. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Yoza>The Ashkenazi, who dominate Israeli society, are the descendants of Europeans who converted to Judaism in the twelfth century a.d., these Europeans have the feeblest of tenuous genetic link with Palestine.

    WTF is this racist bullshit? It’s like you’re arguing that the Scottish wouldn’t be entitled to a homeland called Scotland, because some of them are immigrants from India. And a lot of them are descended from Saxons and Scandinavians. Jews consider themselves a people and are entitled to a homeland on the bits of the old Ottoman Empire where they were a majority. They don’t need to subject themselves to your racist analysis of their genetic background.

    Fuck me… It’s like you’re measuring people’s noses deciding if they should have a right to immigrate to Israel or not. You and Bradbury are like Nazi-caricatures.

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  97. thor42 (756 comments) says:

    What gets me is – it was the *Arabs* who told the Arab people in Israel (in 1948) to leave (just before the Arab armies attacked).

    **How is it** that the Arabs get let off the hook completely?
    Has anyone *ever* seen the Arabs held to account for that?

    *They* are the ones who stuffed things up for those people.
    They are the ones who should fix it – by offering superior housing in *their* countries.

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  98. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Ach aye the noo. It’s fuckin dreadful that us Wainui Scots cannae claim a wee bit ive the Wainui hinterlands fur oor ain cause them dampt savages think they own it!……Baistards!! :)

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  99. Psycho Milt (1,972 comments) says:

    thor42 (607 comments) says:

    …a barrage of racist propaganda – kind of ironic, given the subject of the post.

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  100. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Can anyone tell me why its antisemetic please?
    bradbury what a clown

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  101. jakejakejake (128 comments) says:

    He should lose his job like that homophobic bigot from Duck Dynasty.

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  102. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Ok i get it, it came from a white supremacy site, ok.
    For what its worth i find tourists from israel the worst on tramping trips around NZ, they also are routinely blacklisted by accomodation providers nationwide as they are aggressive and do their hardest to not pay whats due.
    Note im having a go at israelis here not jews

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  103. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    martinh

    some facts and figures for your assertions at 8.24 p.m. please.

    Do you run a camping ground perhaps?

    Rather extraordinary claims regardless

    Also extraordinary that not one of said blacklisted Israeli’s ,(note I didn’t say Jews but Israeli’s )have ever gone to our extremely right-wing media to have a cry about said blacklisting Extraordinary

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  104. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Ancedotal Paul. I spent 8 years providing booking and access systems for mostly holiday parks from Rotorua to Invercargill.
    They just get told that the place is full and thats that

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  105. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    martinh

    Sorry, I was way to polite in my 8.41 p.m regards your 8.24p.m comment

    What I meant to say about it was ,- what fucking rubbish, it’s right up there with the most moronic comments posted on here this year

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  106. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    It’s not the Jew’s are such bad campers PEB it’s just that they take 40 years to find their way out of the wilderness! :)

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  107. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    martinh anecdotal twaddle regardless

    How many people are we talking about? FFS

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  108. martinh (824 comments) says:

    I dont know, i just got that impression in most places i went too that they were the worst. Kiwis and AUssies are generally disliked around europe for being loud drunk and obnoxious and the Israelis seem to be the worst that come here for their behaviour. Ive seen them often get aggressive with non israelis, i suppose the fact most of them a fresh out of compulsory military training doesnt help with their socialisation

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  109. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Paul you a the most moronic one for commenting on something you know nothing about

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  110. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I know a moronic statement when I see one.

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  111. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Im glad you can man up to your own faults, good on you

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  112. martinh (824 comments) says:

    (assume for a minute Paul that both a true) Which do you have more of a problem with Paul, that Kiwis and Aussies are often derided overseas by accommodation providers or that Israleis are often derided here

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  113. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Moronic Pauls only answers a calling someone elses answers moronic, id expect that at a pub full of biff heads, “you are a dickhead”,
    “why?”
    “because i said soo”

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  114. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    But you are a dickhead martinh because I said so too! :)

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  115. martinh (824 comments) says:

    And you are a homo Johnboy as thats what homos often call themselves Johnboy.
    I bet you fanatasize about coming across a group of israeli fresh out of military training while you a in the wilderness

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  116. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    All my lady friends will be utterly shattered by your incisive analysis of my sexual preferences martinh! :)

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  117. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Dont tell them, dont ruin your ladyboys Xmas then Johnboy

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  118. EAD (311 comments) says:

    Hypocrisy to the nth degree by Bradbury but there is an element of truth in that we are all following a big lie. The lie being that more debt, and less control over our futures is a good thing.

    We have come to believe that the image of wealth is the same as true wealth; that our material wealth is superior to our human relationships. We are divided along lines of rich and poor, blacks and whites, left and right old and young, etc, etc. Our labelling of others, perfectly normal when we are afraid or our ideas being challenged, has kept us from seeing a much larger evil around us. An evil that is rewarding deception and corruption, and pushing power into fewer hands, while setting up the lives of millions to only seek the next solution presented to them by a small number of individuals at the highest levels of global finance and politics. This is not a conspiracy, it is out in the open for anyone who reads and thinks.

    So many notable people have spoken out over the years on the truth of our monetary system yet people (outside the Austrian school of Economics) are so afraid of standing outside the crowd because they fear rejection from friends and family (or being called a conspiracy theorist) so they hit the snooze button and go back to sleep rather than using their own minds.

    Tolstoy – “Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal – that there is no human relation between master and slave”
    JP Morgan – “Gold is money everything else is debt”
    Henry Ford – “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning”
    Mayer Amschel Rothschild – “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”
    President James Garfield – “Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce . . . And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate”

    Even in popular culture going all the way back to the Wizard of Oz http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-10-08/wizard-ponz, there has been so much allegory to expose the nature of the monetary system but still people stay asleep. In recent times, the Matrix was essentially one large expose of the money system.

    Morpheus – “What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad”
    Morpheus – “The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth”
    Morpheus: – “The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it”

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  119. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    here’s Evil Santa at the Daily Caller,

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/evil-santa-rears-his-ugly-ceo-head-at-washington-times/

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  120. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    davidp (3,084 comments) says:
    December 23rd, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Yoza>The Ashkenazi, who dominate Israeli society, are the descendants of Europeans who converted to Judaism in the twelfth century a.d., these Europeans have the feeblest of tenuous genetic link with Palestine.

    WTF is this racist bullshit? It’s like you’re arguing that the Scottish wouldn’t be entitled to a homeland called Scotland, because some of them are immigrants from India. And a lot of them are descended from Saxons and Scandinavians. Jews consider themselves a people and are entitled to a homeland on the bits of the old Ottoman Empire where they were a majority. They don’t need to subject themselves to your racist analysis of their genetic background.

    Fuck me… It’s like you’re measuring people’s noses deciding if they should have a right to immigrate to Israel or not. You and Bradbury are like Nazi-caricatures.

    No, Davey, not my ‘racist’ bullshit. The findings of Tel Aviv University History Professor Shlomo Sand The Invention of the Jewish People:

    “Countering official Zionist historiography, Sand questions whether the Jewish People ever existed as a national group with a common origin in the Land of Israel/Palestine. He concludes that the Jews should be seen as a religious community comprising a mishmash of individuals and groups that had converted to the ancient monotheistic religion but do not have any historical right to establish an independent Jewish state in the Holy Land. In short, the Jewish People, according to Sand, are not really a “people” in the sense of having a common ethnic origin and national heritage. They certainly do not have a political claim over the territory that today constitutes Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, including Jerusalem.”

    Apartheid Israel is going the same way as apartheid South Africa. Funnily enough Israel and South Africa were very close allies when they were both racially repressive states, so close in fact that the Israelis conveniently overlooked the South Africans links with Nazi Germany:

    “On April 9, 1976, South African prime minister Balthazar Johannes Vorster arrived at the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem with full diplomatic entourage in tow. After passing solemnly through the corridors commemorating those gassed in Auschwitz and Dachau, he entered the dimly lit Hall of Remembrance …
    Vorster bowed his head as a South African minister read a psalm in Afrikaans, the haunting melody of the Jewish prayer for the dead filling the room. He then kneeled and laid a wreath, containing the colors of the South African flag, in memory of Hitler’s victims …

    Back in Johannesburg, the opposition journalist Benjamin Pogrund was sickened as he watched the spectacle on television. Thousands of South African Jews shared Pogrund’s disgust; they knew all too well that Vorster had another, darker past.

    In addition to being the architect of South Africa’s brutal crackdown on the black democratic opposition and the hand behind many a tortured activist and imprisoned leader, Vorster and his intelligence chief, Hendrik van den Bergh, had served as generals in the Ossewa Brandwag, a militant Afrikaner nationalist organization that had openly supported the Nazis during World War II.

    The only reason Israel gets the kind of unqualified support it gets on Kiwiblog is precisely because it is a white supremecist state sticking it to the indigenous population, … that’s it!

    All these crocodile tears about Bradbury’s ‘Eternal Jew’ picture are meaningless coming from Kiwibloggers, this site is the natural home for a wide range of intolerant bigots; from out and out racists to fanatically religious homophobes; from psychologically unbalanced misogynists to pompous power worshipers.

    It is a joke watching this bollocks, you people are the racist scourge contaminating this country.

    You do not get to cast stones.

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  121. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    What is especially disturbing is that he would use the site to attack someone, and refuse to publish a very reasonable comment from them in response.

    Yes.

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  122. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    So what’s the target JB 13000 posts before the end of the year?

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  123. greenjacket (346 comments) says:

    Yoza wrote: “All these crocodile tears about Bradbury’s ‘Eternal Jew’ picture are meaningless coming from Kiwibloggers, this site is the natural home for a wide range of intolerant bigots; from out and out racists to fanatically religious homophobes; from psychologically unbalanced misogynists to pompous power worshipers. It is a joke watching this bollocks, you people are the racist scourge contaminating this country.”

    So Yoza: why are you wasting your time posting on Kiwiblog?

    You must lead a pretty sad life if you spend so much time just trying to wind people up on Kiwiblog. Get out, get a job, find a girlfriend – live!

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  124. Nookin (2,886 comments) says:

    Greenjacket

    There is, most certainly, a host of bigots, racists, homophobes etc as well as commenters who display the traits of any one or more of them visiting this site from time to time. Some are eternally present. Some may make extravagant statements for effect. Yoza, on the other hand, is a superficial troll whose comments are so utterly predictable that they are not worth reading. He is so immersed in a molasses of bigotry that he has lost all scope for lateral thought, tolerance and understanding. As you say, he needs to get a life.

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  125. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    But all the same – DPF’s ‘expose’ has now been up for over a day – we kinda get the point don’t we? – it’s nasty and egregious -but do we really need to keep seeing this nasty anti-semitic image because it gives us an opportunity to stick it to Bradbury? – at what point does one pass from outraged and indignant into opportunistic and mischievous?

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  126. Scott Chris (5,672 comments) says:

    All these crocodile tears about Bradbury’s ‘Eternal Jew’ picture are meaningless coming from Kiwibloggers, this site is the natural home for a wide range of intolerant bigots; from out and out racists to fanatically religious homophobes; from psychologically unbalanced misogynists to pompous power worshipers.

    Yoza, don’t forget – you’re a Kiwiblogger too. Might be time to wipe the spittle from your cheeks and have a bit of a lie-down.

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  127. Scott Chris (5,672 comments) says:

    Oh and Yoza, might pay to reflect on the fact that the only reason why your inflammatory rhetoric is tolerated on this blog is because the sometimes intolerant views of other commenters is also tolerated.

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  128. double d (219 comments) says:

    John boy …. Are you developing a wee superiority complex? :)
    (Obligatory smiley)

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  129. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    greenjacket (274 comments) says:
    December 24th, 2013 at 1:40 am

    So Yoza: why are you wasting your time posting on Kiwiblog?

    You must lead a pretty sad life if you spend so much time just trying to wind people up on Kiwiblog. Get out, get a job, find a girlfriend – live!

    Nookin (2,785 comments) says:
    December 24th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Yoza, on the other hand, is a superficial troll whose comments are so utterly predictable that they are not worth reading. He is so immersed in a molasses of bigotry that he has lost all scope for lateral thought, tolerance and understanding. As you say, he needs to get a life.,

    Scott Chris (5,369 comments) says:
    December 24th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Yoza, don’t forget – you’re a Kiwiblogger too. Might be time to wipe the spittle from your cheeks and have a bit of a lie-down.

    December 24th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Oh and Yoza, might pay to reflect on the fact that the only reason why your inflammatory rhetoric is tolerated on this blog is because the sometimes intolerant views of other commenters is also tolerated.

    I first saw the ‘Bradbury cartoon’ on Whale Oil, it was presented as evidence of Bomber’s – and by association the left in general – anti-Semitic views. It was accompanied in the comments by the usual diatribe of extreme right prejudice. When I saw the same picture here I assumed it was serving a similar function and didn’t read David Farrar’s accompanying post, which was more about censorship than anything else. So instead of taking the time to read the original post I jumped straight to the comments and wasn’t surprised by the cultivated sensibilities emitted by the usual suspects – I think there may have been 70 or so comments by the time I joined the conversation and I only skimmed through most of them.

    I wasn’t the one who broached the subject of Israel, but since it was introduced I don’t see why I should not contribute. I do not think it is trolling to suggest support for the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is a manifestation of the doctrine of white supremacy on which countries like New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the US were founded. Support for Israeli crimes is the modern equivalent of support for the then apartheid South Africa. As I do not expect much in the way of support on Kiwiblog I defend my views vigorously – too vigorously for some it would appear.

    David Farrar, allowing vigorous debate and accepting dissenting inflammatory responses, is being completely rational. ‘Bombers’ censorship of those two commenters on his blog was the height of stupidity, neither do I think the censorship policy of The Standard serves any useful function. Open debate is normally always the desired option – expecting any forum to serve as a tool to reinforce personally held prejudices retards social development. I’m not going to make apologies for challenging the prejudices of others.

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  130. Fentex (656 comments) says:

    If that picture is anti-semitic then someone better complain about Disney too for their very similar portrayal of Ebenesa Scrooge. In fact, the image is so similar there could even be questions of copyright.

    That is why it’s instantly recognizable as anti-semitic. This image, and Disney’s characterization of Scrooge, draw on long established prejudices and stereotypes from the same history and propaganda that Shakespear drew Shylock from.

    Scrooge was not a Jew so how can he be seen in this picture? Because Disney also exaggerated their characters stereotypical Jewish features (mainly the nose) because that’s code, born of a long history of propaganda creating the stereotype, for greed.

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  131. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    I just like to have fun girls! :)

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  132. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    It doesn’t seem to have been instantly recognised as anti-semitic by the Daily Caller.

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  133. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Where did you get the “developing” from double d… :)

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  134. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Depends how drunk I get edhunter! :)

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  135. deadrightkev (174 comments) says:

    Some people are very precious or very sensitive.

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  136. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    Quite right deadrightkev. they should all get pissed more often! :)

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  137. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    I do not think it is trolling to suggest support for the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is a manifestation of the doctrine of white supremacy on which countries like New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the US were founded. Support for Israeli crimes is the modern equivalent of support for the then apartheid South Africa.

    You’re welcome to your view.

    But blithely talking about your view as though it’s established fact does leave you open to perfectly reasonable accusations of trolling.

    And it’s the height of irony to spout the sort of rhetoric you’re using in that paragraph while calling *others* extremists.

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  138. Johnboy (13,335 comments) says:

    If I was a wog and had the choice between the Israeli justice system or the Towelhead justice system I know which one I would plump for scrubone! :)

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  139. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    scrubone (2,854 comments) says:
    December 24th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    You’re welcome to your view.

    But blithely talking about your view as though it’s established fact does leave you open to perfectly reasonable accusations of trolling

    It is established historical fact, scrubone. You will not be able to find anywhere evidence supporting the suggestion that the indigenous populations of New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the US, South Africa, Zimbabwe or Palestine were supportive of being subjugated or ethnically cleansed from their homeland by European invaders. Which part of this statement is not supported by historically verifiable evidence?

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  140. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    Yoza these are establish historical facts .After crusting the final Jewish Bar Kochba revolt in 135 CE the Roman Emperor Hadrian was determined to eradicate once and for all a Jewish presence in the area they termed Judaea . To that effect the Emperor renamed the province Syria Palestine.
    The Egyptian Meneptah Stele 1200 BC makes the earliest mention of Israel with the line ” Israel is load to waste”. The Stele was created by the Pharaoh Meneptah to commemorate his victory over the Libyans and their allies as well as forays and victories in Canaan.
    The terms Palestine was ,as we have seen , one created by the Romans and an interesting fact was that the Ottomans thought of its as only a geographical expression administrating the area from their capital of the region, Damascus,
    As we can see the Palestinians today have very tenuous claim ,to say the least ,and certainly can’t claim to be in continuous occupation and control of the area that the Romans renamed Syria Palestine.They in reality owe their original existence to the patronage bestowed upon by the emergent Arab nationalism after World War I.

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  141. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    Let me add. The Emperor Hadrian forbade Jews to live in the area but a in fact a small remnant remained and the rest were dispersed with large number eventually settling in Southern Russia and Eastern Europe.
    There has been a concert3ed attempt by a mixture of Anti Jews, Neo Nazis , extreme Arab and Islamic Nationalists and Jihaadists to try all means to smear and discredit Israelis legitimacy including attempts at falsifying the historical , archaeological genetic and genealogical record .

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  142. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    There has been a concert3ed attempt by a mixture of Anti Jews, Neo Nazis , extreme Arab and Islamic Nationalists and Jihaadists to try all means to smear and discredit Israelis legitimacy…

    So in which one of these camps would you slot Shlomo Sand, Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky

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  143. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    Neither and certainly not Noam Chomsky:

    The Top 200 lies of Noam Chomsky ,

    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

    The guy’s an ” intellectual crook”. !

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  144. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    It’s a poorly researched hatchet job by an intellectual nobody.

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  145. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    This intellectual somebody eminent Historian Arthur Schlesinger jnr would disagree with you on that one I believe,

    http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2007/03/schlesingerchom.html

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  146. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    That source you provided isn’t much use as none of the links within it work. Then there is the first ‘damning’ piece of evidence which Chomsky makes short work of in the supplied quote:


    In the first book that I wrote, American Power and the New Mandarins, in the first edition there’s a slight error, namely that I attributed a quote to Truman which was in fact a very close paraphrase, almost verbatim paraphrase of what he said in a secondary source. I got a note mixed up and instead of citing the secondary source I cited Truman. It was corrected within about two months, in the second printing.

    So Chomsky attributed a paraphrase from a secondary source which was almost exactly the same as the original quote and this mistake was corrected in the second run of his book and this happened over 40 years ago.

    The second attempt to smear Chomsky is worse than the first. There is no shortage of evidence documenting the US’s support for the mass-murdering lunatic Suharto. A film was recently released called, An Act of Killing, where members of Suharto’s death squads describe, in graphic detail, how they murdered masses of people. The people who were murdered were those named in lists provided to the regime by the CIA. East Timor suffered a more horrific fate than the victims of the Suharto junta on the mainland, something like a quarter of the population were exterminated by the Indonesian military with the assistance of the US, British, Australian and New Zealand governments. I mean, if you want to go into detail I have a copy of Manufacturing Consent which discusses the horrors in some detail.

    Also, if you would like to select one of Chomsky’s ‘lies’ from your first link I don’t mind dissecting any of those – I’m fairly certain that piece of nonsense has been eviscerated in a number of forums on the net.

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  147. Changeiscoming (97 comments) says:

    I am struggling to see anything Jewish in this cartoon.

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  148. Gosman (335 comments) says:

    This isn’t the first potentially anti-semitic post on The Daily Blog nor of Mr Bradbury censoring people who dared point it out.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/12/03/know-your-1-enemy/

    When I saw this I suggested it was just anti-semitic propaganda and it was never published

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  149. RAS (55 comments) says:

    “So in which one of these camps would you slot Shlomo Sand, Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky”
    Easy. Self-hating Jews. Finkelstein is an outright Holocaust denier who peddles a conspiracy theory that the Holocaust has been hyped in order to guilt the world into giving the Jews what they want.
    No one should be surprised by Bradbury’s antisemitism because he’s supposedly “left wing”, -there’s an incredibly long history of leftist antisemitism.
    See: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/europes-trouble-with-jews.html?_r=0 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

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  150. Yoza (1,334 comments) says:

    RAS (51 comments) says:
    December 25th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    “So in which one of these camps would you slot Shlomo Sand, Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky”
    Easy. Self-hating Jews. Finkelstein is an outright Holocaust denier who peddles a conspiracy theory that the Holocaust has been hyped in order to guilt the world into giving the Jews what they want.

    Complete nonsense, RAS. Norman Finkelstein’s father, Zacharias, was a survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto and the Auschwitz concentration camp while his mother, Maryla, survived the Warsaw Ghetto, the Majdanek concentration camp, and two slave labour camps. The rest of his extended family was exterminated by the Nazis.

    Finkelstein’s big ‘crime’ is pointing out that the Holocaust has become an industry which rewarded many who were not survivors while ignoring those who were. He also points out that there is a reflexive tendency to use The Holocaust as a cloak for excusing Israel’s appalling human right abuses in its dealings with the Palestinians.

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  151. Psycho Milt (1,972 comments) says:

    “Self-hating Jews”

    This one is painfully stupid. It always makes me wonder whether the person writing it is really stupid, or just thinks that we are. Still, it opens a rich field for parody – the “self-hating Russians” Solzhenitsyn, Sakharov and Sharansky, the “self-hating Muslims” Hirsi Ali and Rushdie, the “self-hating South Africans” Mandela and Tutu etc…

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  152. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    Yoza , I’ll first of all l deal with Chomsky’s butchering and quote mining of Truman’s Baylor’s speech which as you will see primarily dealt with issues of International and Free Trade post WW2 confronting the U S.
    It had absolutely nothing to do with Chomsky’s allegation and assertion that the speech was about and lay the groundwork for US Imperialism and hegemony .
    His butchering of the Baylor Speech is outlined and analyzed below .( Do note also that Chomsky quoted it from a secondary, not a primary source.
    A Polemists, rhetorician and propagandist of the far left Chomsky is but an objective , impartial and fair minded historian of International affairs he is not.!

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/trumans-speech-noam-chomsky/

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  153. RAS (55 comments) says:

    “Still, it opens a rich field for parody…” except none of your examples advocated the destruction of Russia, Islam, or South Africa. Where do Sand, Finkelstein and Chomsky think all those Jews in Israel are going to go -other than into the sea?
    I know lots of you leftists say the Ashkenazim should all go back to Europe (not sure how that’s going to work, or that they want to) and where are the ethnically cleansed Sepharadim supposed to go? Back to the the tender mercies of Islamist dominated Arab states. Lovely.
    Basically, you guys advocate a second holocaust – so you can fuck right off.

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  154. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    A popular canard among both Conspiracy Theorists and members of the far left and right is the idea that most of the Jews living in Israel and elsewhere are not in fact jews but descendants of the Turkish nomadic people the Khzars . The sole aim of this claim is an attempt to de legitimize the state of Israel by claiming the majority of jews living there have no ancestral claim to the region. They also don’t share the common ethnic and genetic roots (Semitic )shared with Arab populations living in the region. There is also the claim that Jews have attempted to suppress or deny these “factts”.
    The Ashkenazi theory of jewish origins is not only popular amongst Conspiracy Theorists and jew haters ranging from Alex Jones Infowars to Stormfront but has been taken up by elements of the far left including it would seem the likes of Yoza etc . Naturally its also a popular theory amongst Palestinian and Islamic Jihaadists in the Middle East/

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