General Debate 11 December 2013

December 11th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Nah, it’s definitely Jagger:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9501105/Urinal-leaves-some-speechless

    Gives me an idea: The Peter Dunny. (sorry PG – couldn’t resist)

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  2. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Mandelamania is a media construct.

    Stadium in the “rainbow”republic where he’s so loved not filled.

    How pathetic are the great leaders of the west, acting like self obsessed teenagers But then the great O is self obsessed ,everything is about him.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

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  3. EAD (315 comments) says:

    A couple of observations from the BBCs coverage of the Mandela coverage:

    – Odd that the BBC had queues of people invited on to say how terrible Thatcher was “in the interests of balance” Where is the balanced reporting for the former terrorist Mandela?

    – Whites have been in Southern Africa since the 1600′s, yet are still routinely referred to as “settlers” by the BBC, without a peep from the PC crowd. This is from the same organisation that refers to a number of Muslims fighting Jihad against Assad in Syria as being “British”.

    Whoop silly me, you’re not suppose to talk about the act of ordinary people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct. It’s not the politically correct way.

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  4. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Talking of Pete Dunny,I see he wants us to take more refugees,”to do our bit”.

    If that means we take Boer farmers that’s OK by me,but we don’t need more Muslims.

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  5. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    CAN WHITES ESCAPE POST-MANDELA BLOODBATH?
    ‘There is direct evidence of government incitement to genocide’

    With the death of South African revolutionary icon Nelson Mandela, outside analysts and locals alike are expressing fear of a coming genocide of European-descent Afrikaners. So significant is the threat in South Africa, some genocide experts are urging Afrikaners to consider fleeing their homeland.
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/can-whites-escape-post-mandela-bloodbath/#vXsE2qRUqObwv46S.99

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  6. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Len Brown’s councillors are starting to agitate against him now, and the Auckland Town Hall is leaking like a sieve. He’s given two different versions of when he received the draft EY inquiry report, and they can’t both be correct.

    The end is nigh…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/why-is-len-brown-sitting-on-ey-report.html

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  7. jcuk (505 comments) says:

    With all the unusual rain I guess the weatherman was saddened by the passing of Mandella.

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  8. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Ross nixon

    There was already a silent, largely unreported (by the west’s media) campaign against the whites in the countryside.

    It is only a matter of time before SA becomes a full blown Zimbabwe.

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  9. OneTrack (1,961 comments) says:

    “Nah, it’s definitely Jagger:”

    And the perpetually offended have another scalp.

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  10. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    No, it’s not Jagger. It’s definitely Dunne begging for a job.

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  11. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    I seel closet racists are starting to emerge slowly already. Shame on you (you know who you are)!

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  12. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    In defense of the Kenyan: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/10/cnn-cuomo-obama-castr-handshake-not-be-misunderstood

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  13. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    “Nah, it’s definitely Jagger:”

    The perpetually offended got all uptight over the idea of men taking a piss into a womans mouth… I get wayyyy more offended by the idea of me putting my co*k anywhere near Mick Jaggers mouth!

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  14. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Stuff headline “Sky weeps for Madiba”

    For fucks sake. RIP balanced journalism…..

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  15. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    A young dime? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/10/colorado-boy-6-suspended-accused-sexual-harassment-for-kissing-girl-on-cheek-148424908/ :D

    Of course, P.G. will approve of the suspension.

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  16. Chuck Bird (4,406 comments) says:

    Urinal leaves some speechless
    JOE DAWSON
    Last updated 05:00 11/12/2013

    An Auckland bar is taking steps to have a urinal designed to look like Mick Jagger’s lips removed following complaints from people who say it looks like a woman’s mouth.

    Owner of The Abbey Bar and Kitchen in Greenlane, Micha Wijeyaratne, says the designer urinal has been in the men’s loo for eight years without complaint but in the last two days they have been the target of a campaign by anti-exploitation organisation Stop Demand.

    On Monday members of Stop Demand went to the The Abbey and left around 30 flyers inside menus and around the restaurant with a photo of the urinal and the message ‘‘why is The Abbey encouraging men/boys to urinate into a woman’s open mouth?’

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9501105/Urinal-leaves-some-speechless

    That man hating bigot Denise Ritchie does not help cause with her aggressive manner and the company she has like Nevile Robertson.

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  17. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    Only Cunliffe could make this comment ” South Africa is still a divided country economically. There is 25% unemployment ……” when the reporter was gathering comments on the Mandela ceremony. As they say there is a time and a place — this was not the time to make comments like that.

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  18. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    So, Ross Nixon and other bigots – I think you might be on the wrong blog. The National Front is somewhere else. Quoting WND as a “serious source” is laughable, which should be a norm for any place that has (among others) Pat Buchanan as a regular.

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  19. Samuel Smith (266 comments) says:

    TPP fails.

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  20. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    TPP
    The politics of the deal were also in meltdown. Three-quarters of US President Barack Obama’s own Democrats in the House of Representatives rebelled against giving him Fast Track authority that would neuter their ability to pick apart the final deal.

    Without Fast Track, the US cannot guarantee to deliver on any trade-offs made. Michele Bachelet, who looks certain to be Chile’s new President, called for a review of the agreement’s scope and implications, and made it a priority to “block the questionable aspects” it could contain. Malaysia’s Prime Minister insisted there would be no deal this year.

    At home, Labour’s conference resolved to withhold support for the TPPA until full details are made available and it is proven to be in New Zealand’s national interest. The Greens remained staunchly opposed. Winston Peters attacked the secrecy of the text in the House. Even Phil Goff accused the Government of mismanaging its sale of the deal.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11164328

    New Zealand would benefit more than most countries from a concluded Trans Pacific Partnership deal, former Labour trade minister Phil Goff told the Herald last night.

    Mr Goff, who launched the TPP proposal when he was Trade Minister in the Labour Government, is facing resistance to the deal from unions affiliated to Labour, but the party has agreed to reserve its position officially.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11170345

    Goff swore he would still be Labour leader at this point, two Labour leaders later. So what does he know?

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  21. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    kowtow (5,860 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    If that means we take Boer farmers that’s OK by me,but we don’t need more Muslims.

    Piss off. New Zealand already has too many white supremacists.

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  22. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    stephen2d (18 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    So, Ross Nixon and other bigots – I think you might be on the wrong blog.

    Nah, you’ll find that white supremacists and associated fascists feel right at home on Kiwiblog.

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  23. iMP (2,151 comments) says:

    Cliches, Luther King Jr. fake accents at the Mandela memorial by Obama. here’s the full soaring rhetoric…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/obamas-mandela-speech/

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  24. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    @iMP: The Kenyan is a fake, but a superb actor and orator.

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  25. alwyn (359 comments) says:

    I see, in this morning’s Dom/Post, that the Wellington Council are not putting up any Christmas decorations this year but are instead dishing out presents to some of the residents.
    I wonder how many friends and family of Councillors and council staff just happen to hear about where, and when, the dosh is going to be distributed and just happen to be around at the time? Perhaps the Council will demonstrate that everything is above board by telling us exactly who is getting this ratepayer funded largesse? Or perhaps they will refuse to do so.

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  26. Akaroa (487 comments) says:

    Puh-lees Media-land!

    Can we please have a break from the “Nelson-Mandela-was-bigger-than-Jesus-Christ-and-stronger-than-Hercules” avalanche of radio, television, and newspaper sycophantic comment with which we have been deluged since this quite like-able, but also really quite unremarkable, old South African politician died.

    I’m as sorry as anyone about someone dying, whoever they are, but this avalanche of commentators, pollies and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all each shouting, “Me! Me! I liked/loved/respected him more than you did, so there!’ is now verging on the nauseating.

    Whatever happened to sense of proportion?.

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  27. Fletch (5,720 comments) says:

    In other news, Peter Jackson could be set to direct a Doctor Who episode. Talks about filming it in New Zealand.

    Peter Jackson has confirmed that he still hopes to direct an episode of Doctor Who.

    Speaking to Digital Spy and other journalists, the director explained that discussions about his involvement are “actually kind of serious”.

    “I would be very happy to,” Jackson said. “I’d love to try my hand at television, because I’ve never had the discipline of having to shoot for those impossibly tiny schedules. I think I could do it okay now.”

    The director went on to joke that the prospective episode might be shot on location, given his own reluctance to work outside of his native New Zealand.

    “I did suggest that they did a New Zealand story – something to do with the [rugby union] All Blacks versus the Daleks. There’s a good story in there, although obviously the All Blacks would have to win!”

    Doctor Who’s former executive producer Caroline Skinner has previously said that she would “love to bring Doctor Who down under” after the show’s 50th anniversary episode, which aired last month.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a536939/peter-jackson-wants-to-direct-doctor-who-in-new-zealand.html

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  28. Twinkletoes (49 comments) says:

    Yoza – Islam is the most supremacist culture in the world. You are obviously not well versed in their ideology or religious tenets if you think they are immigrating to western countries to integrate. Their ambition is world domination and the humiliation of the infidel.

    So why not so some actual study before talking about white supremacists, especially in relation to “dhimmihood” in Islam. Their plan for you.

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  29. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Akaroa,
    You are not the only one getting pissed off about this.
    Younger people will be amazed that New Zealanders were so anti South African in 1981. That is, those too young to understand, or not even born then.
    Explain to them that two months after the Tour ended that Robert Muldoon was re-elected prime minister. Labour party hacks will mention that Labour politicians got more votes than National candidates in that election. But what they will omit to mention is that Muldoon was such a rogue that so many people voted for Social Credit (this is not a joke!) because they could not bring themselves to vote for a shiver looking for a spine to run up. Accordingly one must add the votes of funny money plus National to get a balanced appraisal of that electoral result.
    Labour did very well in electorates with a high Gay Liberation population. A seemingly queer election result.

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  30. Fletch (5,720 comments) says:

    The assholes at Greenpeace have filmed an ad in which Santa pleads with kids that Christmas will be cancelled unless something is done about climate change.

    WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — Greenpeace is warning children the world over Santa Claus might not be bringing gifts to them because of global warming.

    A “Save the Arctic” video released by the environmental group shows a sullen and dirty Santa – played by Jim Carter of “Downton Abbey” — in a dark, concrete room with water dripping from the ceiling.

    “Dear children, I regrettably bring bad tidings. For some time now, melting ice here in the North Pole has made our operations and our day-to-day life intolerable and impossible and there may be no alternative but to cancel Christmas,” Santa warned in the Greenpeace video.

    Santa claims he has written world leaders, including Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, but to no avail.

    “Sadly my letters have been met with indifference,” Santa says, as lights begin to flicker in the room like a horror movie. “Needless to say these individuals are now at the top of my naughty list.”

    In the end, Santa urges those watching to sign a petition to “Save Santa’s Home.”

    “My home in the Arctic is fast disappearing and unless we all act urgently then I have to warn you of the possibility of an empty stocking forevermore. Please help me.”

    The petition claims global warming is causing the North Pole to melt away faster and faster. The petition also warns of oil companies trying to drill in the Arctic.

    “World leaders are ignoring the reindeer’s cries for help as they sink in the melting ice,” the petition states. “Even the threat of being on Santa’s naughty list hasn’t prompted a rescue operation.”

    If Santa was living in the South Pole along with Mrs. Claus and his reindeers, though, they would need to bundle up.

    NASA satellite data showed that Earth set a new record for coldest temperature recorded when in August 2010, East Antarctica was 135.8 degrees Fahrenheit below zero.

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/10/santa-warns-in-greenpeace-video-christmas-will-be-canceled-due-to-global-warming/

    They’re getting desperate when they have to use Santa Claus and the threat of a cancelled Christmas, aimed right at children. Low – very low.

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  31. Komata (971 comments) says:

    Re the future of SA

    FWIW, the scenario may be something along the following lines:

    Unite all blacks against the Afrikaaners, and attempt to exterminate them. This would especially appeal to the mind-set of the young unemployed black males, and, as in Zim’, will give them something to do and ‘get them out of the government’s hair’ for a while.

    These so-called freedom fighters’ will however find that they are against a very determined people, who, having been in the area since the sixteenth Century and fought against overwhelming odds for their own survival, will not go quietly. The Afrikaaners also consider themselves to be the ‘White tribe of Africa’ and have nowhere else to go. It will be nasty, it will be unpleasant, and it will be largely unreported by the Western MSM, who, if they do so, will always portray the Afrikaaners as the oppressors, and ignore completely the realities of events since ‘independence’.

    The Afrikaaners, like the Israeli’s, will fight to the death – they have nowhere else to go.

    The result will be a ‘draw’ and the government will back-off, having discovered the realities of combat with the Afrikaaners. The Western nations, and America in particular, will do absolutely nothing to help and will trumpet platitudes about ‘self determination’ and ‘political rights’.

    The country’s tribes will then turn on each other, with the ANC’s main target being the Zulu’s, whom they will try to destroy, as this tribe in particular is a threat to the ANC’s ruling elite.

    It is this action which will probably create the ‘bloodbath’ previously referred-to, as centuries-old scores are settled.

    A key player in all of the above will be the gold and diamond mining companies, which provide a sizeable amount of revenue for the SA economy. They are very influential and vital to the over-all economic development of SA. Their actions will be worth watching.

    Finally, as this ‘unrest’ has not ‘spontaneously-occurred’ but has been quietly ‘assisted’ and ‘nurtured’ over the years since the Boer’s departed from power, one must wonder about who is behind it. Geologically, SA is a very wealthy country, and has vast mineral resources.

    Based upon observation of events in other parts of Africa, the one nation who’s name consistently appears in respect of mineral ‘exploitation’ of the continent, is that of China, which country now controls Zimbabwe’s rare-earth production and is also exerting its ‘influence’ in eastern Africa (Tanzania and Zambia as notable examples). Without going into the whole political area (which is somewhat complicated) China has learnt from the western imperial power’s mistakes and is ‘acquiring’ power quietly and deliberately. Because of these actions, it is probable that China is also exercising ‘influence’ in SA and will now doubt be ‘encouraging’ ‘those in power to ‘consolidate’ their position, to ensure ‘future co-operation’. The ‘sudden and spontaneous’ uprising against the Afrikaaner’s is merely the first stage of this process, with the second stage being as I have already detailed.

    As I said, FWIW; it will be interesting to see what develops…

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  32. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,221 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    They’re getting desperate when they have to use Santa Claus and the threat of a cancelled Christmas, aimed right at children. Low – very low.

    Maybe this is your first Christmas but it is quite normal to threaten the cancellation of Christmas if the child isn’t “good”. In this case that which is “good” is people being concerned about climate change. But of course you have a particular opinion on that subject so it’s all very despicable….

    Lets just get back to the “War on Christmas” and the pending cancellation of Christmas by atheists and Jews… quick kids, get those non-believers before Christmas is cancelled!

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  33. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Is Labour Lite about to cave in (again)?

    Labour says it is putting off its moves to introduce a law change which would extend paid parental leave to 26 weeks so National can think about it over the summer holiday.

    National had made an 11th hour request for Labour to agree to delay reporting back on the member’s bill so it could reconsider its position, bill sponsor Sue Moroney said on Wednesday.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8769329/parental-leave-extension-bid-gets-breather

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  34. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    Banks made a brief appearance in the High Court at Auckland on Wednesday morning where a trial date of May 19 was set. Ten days have been set aside.

    It is alleged Banks knowingly signed a donations return for his unsuccessful 2010 campaign to be Auckland Mayor which declared donations from internet mogul Kim Dotcom and from Sky City as anonymous when he knew they had made them.

    “Knowingly” seems to be a key word. That could take ten days?

    Meanwhile there is apparently no question that Banks signed the return, which is found to be false. What is the penalty for that – just signing a document without checking it, and it then being found to be incorrect?

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  35. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Twinkletoes (42 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Yoza – Islam is the most supremacist culture in the world. You are obviously not well versed in their ideology or religious tenets if you think they are immigrating to western countries to integrate.

    Twinkletoes, I live in Newtown, Wellington. We have a relatively large Muslim population in comparison with most other areas in New Zealand, the vast majority are decent hard working people – I have encountered a couple of idiots, but that had nothing to do with their religious leanings – if you meet enough of any particular group you will meet idiots.

    You, Twinkletoes, are just another example of the bigoted idiocy that is rampant on Kiwiblog

    Oh, …and thanks for reinforcing the point I was making about Kiwiblog being a breeding ground for intolerant fascists.

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  36. Komata (971 comments) says:

    Yoza

    Re: ‘…and thanks for reinforcing the point I was making about Kiwiblog being a breeding ground for intolerant fascists’.

    Thank you for the comment; might I suggest that it’s perhaps somewhat more revealing than you may have intended it to be. ‘Nuff said.

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  37. Fletch (5,720 comments) says:

    Lets just get back to the “War on Christmas”

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-school-confiscates-christmas-cards.html

    A South Carolina charter school has canceled its annual Christmas toy drive after a group of self-described humanists complained that the project violated the U.S. Constitution and accused them of bribing children to convert to Christianity.

    Renee Mathews, the principal of East Point Academy in West Columbia, S.C., said the annual Operation Christmas Child project was halted because the American Humanist Association threatened to sue the school.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/15/school-cancels-operation-christmas-child-over-lawsuit-threats/

    An elementary school in Frisco, Texas is believed to be the first in the state to violate “The Merry Christmas Law” after they banned Christmas trees and the colors red & green from an upcoming “winter” party.

    Boys and girls who attend the Nichols Elementary School “Winter Party” will not be able to make any reference to Christmas or any other religious holiday. Christmas trees are also banned – along with the colors red and green.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/05/school-bans-christmas-trees-colors-red-green/

    RNS) “Silent Night” and other religious songs will remain off the program at holiday concerts in one New Jersey school district–and possibly others across the country–after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal of a school ban on religious holiday music.

    By deciding Monday (Oct. 4) not to hear the case, the high court ended a six-year legal battle that started when parent Michael Stratechuk sued the School District of South Orange and Maplewood over a policy that barred religious songs at public concerts.

    The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the ban last year, and Stratechuk attempted to take the case to the higher court.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/ban-on-school-christmas-c_n_751839.html

    And from previous years –

    * Covington, Georgia, 2002: The word “Christmas” is banned from the school calendar.
    * Mustang, Oklahoma, 2004: School district bans annual Christmas pageant.
    * Baldwin City, Kansas, 2003: “Santa Claus visits” banned from schools.
    * Plano, Texas, 2001 and ongoing: School district bans the colors red and green.
    * Eugene, Oregon, 2000: Christmas trees banned from municipal offices.
    * Indianapolis, Indiana, 2003: Christmas trees banned from law school campus.
    * Maplewood, New Jersey, 2004: Schools ban instrumental-only versions of Christmas carols.

    There are a few wins –

    A battle over religious music at a public school in Wausau, Wis., has temporarily concluded, as the district, which initially attempted to limit faith-themed songs, is backing down.

    Last week, Phil Buch, the chair of Wausau West High School music department, temporarily disbanded the Master Singers music ensemble in a bold act of defiance after district officials proposed that the number of religious songs this holiday season be cut down in the ensemble’s upcoming holiday shows.

    Buch’s actions made national news.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/16/high-school-music-directors-battle-over-his-districts-crackdown-on-religious-themed-music-takes-a-turn/

    But make no mistake – atheists are trying to push Christmas and Christmas themed stuff away – at least in the U.S. Perhaps they don’t like being reminded of Jesus.

    It’s happening all over. Back in 2010 the Red Cross in the U.K banned any kind of Christmas displays in it’s windows so as not to offend Muslims –

    The war on Christmas is alive and well in the United Kingdom. Christmas has been banned by the Red Cross in over 400 of its stores. The reason being given is that the trappings of Christmas might offend Muslims.

    According to reports, staff have been ordered to take down decorations and to remove any other signs of the Christian festival. However, the charity’s politically-correct move triggered an avalanche of criticism

    http://www.examiner.com/article/u-k-red-cross-bans-christmas-for-fear-of-offending-muslims

    So, no war on Christmas at all, right?

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  38. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Hey komata,

    China’s “quiet power” in Africa.

    You’re quite right. US present and past Presidents ,a nation, God ,aka Mandela, described as evil,all beat a path to the funeral. For what , Black Americans only vote democrat anyway ,so what’s to gain?

    Meanwhile the dictator of China has no need to go as he has nothing to prove or lose, as he knows the ANC already know they’re close “friends”.

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  39. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    But make no mistake – atheists are trying to push Christmas and Christmas themed stuff away – at least in the U.S. Perhaps they don’t like being reminded of Jesus.

    What does Jesus have to do with Christmas? :)

    I love Christmas. Don’t ever remember celebrating it at school as such. That’s what the holidays were for and we had a tree at home, not in class. In class we were learning our ABCs and our times tables. Maybe it’s different now.

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  40. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Is Labour Lite about to cave in (again)?

    Potential election year bribe to WFF bludgers?

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  41. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    I am a centre-right, National member and National voting individual. I have no time for unions, who are usurping the money from the vulnerable, like leeches, for their own benefit, while purporting to defend those weak and powerless.

    I also abhor some language that is used by some commentators here, those with a very large chip on the shoulder, who would like to pretend that everything and everyone on the right is anti one race, pro apartheid, under disguise of they will slaughter all the whites now”.

    Nelson Mandela has been out of power for a very long time and he had no influence over ANC and its corruption laden top echelon of past-revolutionary new elites. Now that he is dead, there is no ounce of truth that suddenly SA will become “new Zimbabwe”. It would have by now. Those loudest crying “the doom is near” are the ones who remember the “good ole’ days” where they could treat like shit their fellow human based on their skin colour and now fear retribution.

    Yes there are inequalities in SA. Yes, there have been white people who have lost their jobs once ANC came to power, but some of it was clearly unrepresentative, not there on merit – just like those who have replaced the whites were not there necessarily by merit. Yes new elite has moved in, like the nouveau riche, but that has been the case in many transitioning countries – prime example is Russia, where things and the market are settling very slowly only now.

    Shit happens and it is not easy to transition such a large country, with such a painful history, into a developed and progressive nation.

    Is ANC capable of this? Not this generation of politicians. Is it possible in future? I believe it is.

    So, biggots, Boers and other believers in their quasi-Nazi ideology, you are out of place. The centre-right doesn’t want you, I’m afraid, and you are deluded if you think your views and ideas are welcome in a very large proportion of Kiwis.

    Disclaimer: I am white, with proud European heritage and no links of any kind to SA, other than following passionately world politics.

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  42. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    I had to laugh at this:
    Komata (883 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 11:09 am:

    country’s tribes will then turn on each other, with the ANC’s main target being the Zulu’s, whom they will try to destroy, as this tribe in particular is a threat to the ANC’s ruling elite.

    Yeah, nevermind that Jacob Zuma is of Zulu heritage and during the apartheid era something like 80 percent of the Zulu supported the ANC or that nearly 30 percent of South Africans report Zulu as their first language (the largest first language group in South Africa).

    You must struggle diligently to maintain your level of idiocy at such, an impressive height there, Komata.

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  43. Fletch (5,720 comments) says:

    What does Jesus have to do with Christmas?

    Um, Christ?
    From Crīstesmæsse, meaning “Christ’s Mass”

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  44. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Luddite-land is becoming a ghost town: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/9502177/Head-office-will-go-north-BP-verifies

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  45. Komata (971 comments) says:

    Stephen2d

    Thanks for your interesting contribution. IMHO Stan Freyberg summed-up the discussion rather well, when his Police Officer noted that all he wanted was ‘The facts ma’am, just the facts’.

    Says it all really….

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  46. itstricky (1,139 comments) says:

    The assholes at Greenpeace have filmed an ad in which Santa pleads with kids

    So we were talking easily offended people & Jagger?

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  47. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    For some people the Christ and the mass in ‘Christmas’ means to something, and it means nothing to others. It’s as likely to mean “Christ! I’ve amassed a heap of debt on my credit card!”

    Most people don’t associate the sun with Sunday, the moon with Monday. And I don’t think Christians skip Tiu’s Day, Woden’s Day, Thor’s Day, Freya’s Day or Saturn’s Day because the derivatives don’t relate to their beliefs.

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  48. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    Yeah, nevermind that Jacob Zuma is of Zulu heritage and during the apartheid era something like 80 percent of the Zulu supported the ANC or that nearly 30 percent of South Africans report Zulu as their first language (the largest first language group in South Africa).

    Yeah, but don’t let the fact that the main obstacle to the ANC’s objective of a one-party state, is the IFP, very much rooted in Zulu nationalism, get in your way…

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  49. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    This guy Max Coyle is an absolute nutter. The Greens can have him !

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/20259822/former-green-party-candidate-defends-collins-tweet/

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  50. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    Komata,

    “The facts ma’am…” – well the facts are that Mandela has been out of power and had no influence whatsoever on Mbeke, nor Zuma. They did whatever they wanted to do, without seeking permission. They also know that any upheaval will isolate them and scare away the industry, which – although struggling (with few exceptions) is still providing them with their luxurious lifestyles.

    I suggest visiting SA to see that it has nothing to do, nor has any potential to become Zimbabwe.

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  51. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    I call bullshit on Coyle…

    Max Coyle says the Bill is “Draconian”, and that he’s one of thousands who tweeted the same message in recent times.

    He says the Bill breaches free speech and he’s one of many who’ve tweeted her the same message.

    …unless he can substantiate his ‘thousands’ claim.

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  52. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    The Stone Agers want their cut: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11169105

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  53. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    James Stephenson (1,729 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Yeah, but don’t let the fact that the main obstacle to the ANC’s objective of a one-party state, is the IFP, very much rooted in Zulu nationalism, get in your way…

    Ahhh, …comedy gold! It does not seem to bother you, James, that the IFP only managed to get 4.55 percent of the vote in the 2009 national elections.

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  54. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Too right Manolo. Property rights don’t belong to brown folk and of course one can’t get to the open sea without going through this island.

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  55. mandk (686 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11170713

    30 year old female jailed for 3 years and 9 months for having sex with a 13 year old male she had drugged.

    The judge implied that she would have applied the same sentence if it had been a male offending against a female.

    Does anyone else find that hard to believe?

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  56. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    mandk – yes! fuck yes. 8 years for a bloke

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  57. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    sick Dime :(

    just logged on.. have isky running on the other monitor for the cricket.. i notice its now called sky go

    guessing the ipad/android apps must be ready? thats pretty handy!

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  58. Jack5 (4,220 comments) says:

    Yoza posted at 1.22:

    …thanks for reinforcing the point I was making about Kiwiblog being a breeding ground for intolerant fascists…

    I wondered what a socialist like you was looking for in Kiwiblog. Then it clicked, fascists: Nazis – the National Socialists; Mussolini, who started his political life as an anarchist.

    Of course, the fascist-left!

    Yoza, you are mistaken. You will find more fascists at the Standard that at Kiwiblog!

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  59. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Why hard to believe? It’s a court report.

    Woman jailed for sex with 13yo boy

    A mother who plied a 13-year-old boy with alcohol before holding him down and having sex with him has been sentenced to three years and nine months in prison.

    Cecelia Rona Hale was appearing before Manukau District Court after earlier pleading guilty to two counts of sexual connection with the boy in July last year and to selling him cannabis in the months that followed.

    Judge Anna Johns told Hale she considered the offending just as serious as a man sexually abusing a young girl.

    She also criticised the mother-of-four’s claims the boy had initiated sex, and her practice of having unprotected sex.

    “You somehow suggested he was the instigator of the sexual offending and seemed to shift the blame to him,” Judge Johns said. “I do not accept for one minute that he was the instigator.

    Judge Hales said the four main aggravating factors in the offending were breaching the trust of the boy and his mother, the boy’s vulnerability, the harm she caused and the fact she had unprotected sex.

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  60. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Yoza, you are mistaken. You will find more fascists at the Standard that at Kiwiblog!

    100% correct.
    No one more fascist than The sub-Standard chief censor and tin-pot dictator: the delicate comrade Lynn Prentice.

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  61. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    The judge implied that she would have applied the same sentence if it had been a male offending against a female.

    Does anyone else find that hard to believe?

    It is a bald faced lie.

    Where is the moral outrage in the msm about this ?

    I recall some school children who the media went nuts about, because some drunken girl accused the children of being rapists after she sobered up. Police did not even find enough evidence to even lay a single charge. Yet the children were pillorised as rapists.

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  62. Jack5 (4,220 comments) says:

    Stephen2D posted at 11.49:

    I am a centre-right, National member and National voting individual.

    Now, there’s a contradiction. Nation is centre-left in IMHO, and most here would likely agree that at very most it is centre-centre rather than centre-right.

    and Stephen2D adds:

    So, biggots, Boers and other believers in their quasi-Nazi ideology, you are out of place. The centre-right doesn’t want you, I’m afraid.

    First, are you saying, Stephen2D, that people of Afrikaaner descent are not welcome in NZ? If so, that is a rather racist statement and point of view.

    Second, it’s one thing to say whom you think is or is not “centre right”, and another thing, with extremely delusional connotations, to proclaim so confidently who is or is not “wanted” in such a political classification.

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  63. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    @ dime – yep; they are. The commentators just did a promo for them. Go to the App Store; they’re free to Sky subscribers too; great stuff :D

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  64. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Is the Sun setting on the Messiah? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521587/Oh-bam-Presidents-approval-rating-plummets-38-cent-overall-just-34-cent-health-care-40-cent-Iran.html

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  65. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Manolo (11,541 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Is the Sun setting on the Messiah?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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  66. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pinochet etc have been judged by history as being proponents the far-right, their intolerance of ethnically marginalized groups, socialists, homosexuals and any number of ‘socially inferior’ people are strikingly similar to the bigoted ranting that is common place on Kiwiblog. I do not think many Kiwibloggers would feel out of place in Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy or Pinochet’s Chile.

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  67. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10885722

    A 43-year-old man who gave a 12-year-old girl synthetic cannabis and put his hand up her skirt when she passed out avoided being sent to jail today.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10877144

    A Wanganui businessman found guilty of having unlawful sexual connection with a 15-year-old must place a notice at his workplace warning those under the age of 16 not to enter without an adult.

    Name suppression was lifted on Andrew Deighton who groomed his 15-year old victim for unlawful sexual connection in 2008, and yesterday was sentenced to a total of 11 months’ home detention on three counts to which he had earlier pleaded guilty.

    Deighton, 59, was sentenced by Judge Les Atkins in Wanganui District Court yesterday to 11 months for unlawful sexual connection, four months concurrent for an indecent act on a young person, and two months concurrent for intentionally meeting the young girl.

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  68. Jack5 (4,220 comments) says:

    Yoza at 2.04 continues his classification of world sinners:

    Mussolini, Hitler, Pinochet etc have been judged by history as being proponents the far-right

    First Yoza, Mussolini came out of the Left – anarchism. He and Hitler both were big on socialist state control. The very name “Nazi” was a German acronym or part-acronym for National Socialists.

    Do you think Hitler was worse than hard-Left Stalin? On a ladder of vile mass murderers, Stalin killed more millions than Hitler.

    Not even a committed Leftist like you could deny Pol Pot, an extemely cruel mass murderer, was from the Left. Nor the hard Left’s Mad Mao, who killed more millions than Stalin and Hitler put together.

    Just how loosely socialists apply the term “Right” was illustrated during the attempted coup in Moscow which was an attempt to revert to the Soviet era. Socialists immediately declared the revolutionaries, hard-line communists, to be “Right wing”.

    Left – Right is a useful shorthand for where a person stands on the continuum of individualism v. collectivism. Socialists, however, use it loosely, even inversely, as part of their agitprop.

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  69. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    place a notice at his workplace warning those under the age of 16 not to enter without an adult.

    Can you imagine a Judge demanding that for a female offender ? The Judge is a disgrace.

    How about putting a similar notice on the entrance to the hate groups Womens Refuge and Rape Crisis, warning of the predatory lesbians there waiting for fresh meat ?

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  70. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Kea (9,434 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Can you imagine a Judge demanding that for a female offender ?

    I don’t imagine children are permitted to visit prison without an adult so such a warning sign might be a little redundant.

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  71. Kleva Kiwi (267 comments) says:

    “Yoza (963 comments) says:

    December 11th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pinochet etc have been judged by history as being proponents the far-right,”

    This is a blatant lie Yoza. The Left have spent years trying to attribute this lot to the right, when, in actual fact their ideology and political postion is hard left. There is nothing remotly in common with the right and this lot.

    Nazi’s, fascists, socialists, communist etc are all of the same ilk, and nothing to do with free market economies and individual freedoms…

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  72. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Steve Bell on world leaders at Mandela national memorial service – cartoon

    Hone Harawira didn’t make the cut.

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  73. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    Jack5 – nice try.

    No, I am not saying Afrikaans are not welcome here. Anyone who can contribute to this society is more than welcome, providing we have space and they have something to offer that we don’t have. That is valid for all races, skin colours, etc. What is not welcome is to bring here with you/them biggoted views and conflicts from their respective countries, regardless of who those people/immigrants are.

    Citing WND as a source of credible news is laughable, cynical, sad and pathetric at the same time.

    Apartheid is a nazi ideology and policy, and those supporting it have no right to be members of a decent community that is ours.

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  74. Fletch (5,720 comments) says:

    A Chinese man kills himself rather than suffer through any more Christmas shopping with his partner…

    China – A man jumped to his death after a furious row with his girlfriend who insisted they go into another clothes shop.

    CCTV shows Tao Hsiao, 38, escorting his girlfriend around a shopping mall in Xuzhou, Jiangsu province, east China. After five hours Tao finally had enough and demanded to go home. Eyewitnesses say he could be heard saying they already had more bags than they could carry, but she insisted on going into one more shop where the was a special offer on shoes.

    An eyewitness said: “He told her she already had enough shoes, more shoes that she could wear in a lifetime, and it was pointless buying any more. She started shouting at him, accusing him of being a skinflint, and of spoiling Christmas. It was a really heated argument.”

    The shouting match ended when the man chucked the bags on the floor and jumped over the balcony. He smashed into Christmas decorations on his way down before hitting the floor seven stories below.
    Emergency services arrived at the scene, but Tao was killed immediately from the impact of the fall.

    http://news.naij.com/53941.html

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  75. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Kleva Kiwi (238 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    This is a blatant lie Yoza. The Left have spent years trying to attribute this lot to the right, when, in actual fact their ideology and political postion is hard left. There is nothing remotly in common with the right and this lot.

    Nazi’s, fascists, socialists, communist etc are all of the same ilk, and nothing to do with free market economies and individual freedoms…

    “right” and “left” are meaningless when used like this. You just use the term “right” to describe what you agree with, and anything you disagree with gets labelled “left” and as a consequence if anyone labels something you disagree with as “right” then you call it a “blatant lie”.

    The Nazi’s for instance are considered “right” because if you look at the elections of 1930 and 1932 you can see that the rise of the Nazi party coincides with the demise of other right wing parties like the German National People’s Party and the German People’s Party.

    It doesn’t mean you are a Nazi if your politics are right of centre, but it is true to say the Nazi’s were a right wing party. The function of a political spectrum is to contrast the spectrum of political opinions in society. Not to contrast one individuals beliefs with everything else that is not that belief.

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  76. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    “The Nazi’s for instance are considered “right”

    oh complete bullshit.

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  77. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

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    Kleva Kiwi (238 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “Yoza (963 comments) says:

    December 11th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pinochet etc have been judged by history as being proponents the far-right,”

    This is a blatant lie Yoza. The Left have spent years trying to attribute this lot to the right, when, in actual fact their ideology and political postion is hard left. There is nothing remotly in common with the right and this lot.

    Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Pinochet were all sponsored by big business and their respective country’s establishment security apparatus – these monsters would not have been so avidly supported by the wealthy if they were left wing.

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  78. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (690 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    oh complete bullshit.

    Oh… I stand corrected.

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  79. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Yoza
    Greenpeace, WWF etc are big business and they are of the left.

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  80. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Oh… I stand corrected

    Good, see its easy when you listen.

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  81. mandk (686 comments) says:

    Weihana @2.10
    The crimes you refer to were both serious, but not as heinous as the one I highlighted.

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  82. Jack5 (4,220 comments) says:

    Stephen2D in his 2.47 post in reply to me:

    Citing WND as a source of credible news is laughable, cynical, sad and pathetric at the same time.

    I don’t know what you are talking about here, Stephen2D. WND????

    Whatever it is, I haven’t mentioned it, please elaborate.

    Stephen2D goes on to say:

    Apartheid is a nazi ideology and policy, and those supporting it have no right to be members of a decent community that is ours.

    Stephen2D, you will then oppose race-based electorates in NZ, and NZ race-based educational systems, race-based sports teams, and so on?

    Also race-based choice of party candidates?

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  83. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Totalitarianism is repulsive, regardless of whether it is left or right wing, people like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were as appalling as the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Pinochet – but I would not be so feeble as to attempt to fob off Stalin as being right-wing because history has judged him a monster. Stalin was left-wing and the left need to vigilantly watch that such behavior is not exhibited by any of their representatives or adherents ever again.

    The reason I drew attention to the fascist activity of the followers of Mussolini et al was the alarming similarity of whom the fascists persecuted when contrasted with whom Kiwibloggers like to scapegoat. I am not the problem here, the problem here is those right-wing nutters who are indistinguishable from their fascist forbears.

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  84. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “I am not the problem here, the problem here is those right-wing nutters ”

    Yep- You are completely balanced and sane. We must be all Fascist/Nazi nutters…

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  85. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    I thought it was John Key & David Cunliffe going into the Mandela ceremony once it was realised that there were space limitations. Did David Cunliffe turn down the invite to go in with Key?

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/20264376/john-key-an-unidentified-guest/

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  86. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (692 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Yoza
    Greenpeace, WWF etc are big business and they are of the left.

    That’s so pathetic it is laughable, even by the appallingly low standards of Kiwiblog.

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  87. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11170893

    Yet people still want to fleece the New Zealand taxpayer of hundreds of millions of dollars so Dean Barker and co can swan around chasing their dreams for another few years…

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  88. Jack5 (4,220 comments) says:

    Yoza at 3.03 on whether the Nazis were Left wing:

    Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Pinochet were all sponsored by big business and their respective country’s establishment security apparatus – these monsters would not have been so avidly supported by the wealthy if they were left wing.

    Wasn’t as simple as that, Yoza.

    The National Socialist Party (the Nazis) began as the German Workers’ Party and there were strong Leftist (and curiously, at the same time, also homosexual) elements which Hitler eliminated in the Nazis’ Night of the Long Knives.

    It’s true that Hitler and his coterie turned the party into a highly nationalist party, but that didn’t stop the world’s leading Leftists, that is the Soviet Union, from signing a pact with the Nazis against the world’s democracies.

    I pluck from an Internet “anonymous”: Stalin and his communists thought the Nazis were Right wing becausethe Nazis allowed some industrial initiatives. However, the rest of the Nazi policies, including a central industrial plan were a copy of communist policies.

    Yoza must of course accept that Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Beria, and co were definitely Leftist monsters.

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  89. stephen2d (45 comments) says:

    Jack5, this all started with Ross Dixon citing WND – so, read the trend and come back to argue, please.

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  90. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Longknives (3,456 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    “I am not the problem here, the problem here is those right-wing nutters ”

    Yep- You are completely balanced and sane. We must be all Fascist/Nazi nutters…

    It is instructive, longknives, that you could not bring yourself to include the entire sentence when you quote me. I’m sure an enlightened chap like you would never denigrate Muslims, Maori, Socialists, homosexuals or any other marginalized groups

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  91. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Personally I reckon Hitler was left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right….HALT! ABOUT TURN!!!!

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  92. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    I see that the New Zealand cricket captain has yet again carelessly donated his wicket to the West Indies, for a relatively modest price of 37 runs

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  93. alex Masterley (1,438 comments) says:

    Walked into the boardroom to see McCallum leave.
    His dad Stu always sold his wicket dearly.
    Pity that stubbornness did make to his son.

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  94. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Yep. Let’s hope our unfairly sacked captain gets back to back 100s. Almost 350 runs in the series so far without being dismissed, a great achievement.

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  95. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Yoza
    Let’s check shall we.
    Green peace is a multinational organisation
    Green peace has over 2000 staff
    Green peace earns millions of dollars,
    Yep, looks like a big business to me!

    Mind you, small compared to the WWF

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  96. Chuck Bird (4,406 comments) says:

    @kea

    “It is a bald faced lie.”

    Check these links out

    Teen spared jail over child sex charges

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9202742/Teen-spared-jail-over-child-sex-charges

    Home detention for teen blackmailer
    DAVID CLARKSON

    A teenager has been granted home detention for a blackmail-by-text case that ended with the 40-year-old victim committing suicide.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8807224/Home-detention-for-teen-blackmailer

    I hear this offender is still trying to get permanent name suppression.

    I remember recently some guy got convicted for taking photos up women’s skirts. There were outcries for this guy to be hung, drawn and quartered. Now the guy certainly should be punished. But when one compares the harm done to the females with the hard done by the female offenders there is no comparison.

    I wonder if that female offenders will be ever be allowed contact with children like would happen to male offenders?

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  97. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (693 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Yoza
    Let’s check shall we.
    Green peace is a multinational organisation
    Green peace has over 2000 staff
    Green peace earns millions of dollars,
    Yep, looks like a big business to me!

    You should then have no trouble directing me to their share market listing or providing me with a list of products they sell or services they charge for.

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  98. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Speaking of name suppression-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9491090/Teen-wants-off-hook-because-of-famous-dad

    Will anyone be even remotely surprised when this pampered brat gets let off the hook? Glad we are all on the same playing field..

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  99. alex Masterley (1,438 comments) says:

    Greenpeace is a franchise operation.
    Doesn’t need to be listed.
    Holland is it’s base for the same reason members of U2 shifted there.
    Reasonably ‘kind” tax laws in comparison to the UK or Eire.
    There is no difference in a commercial sense between McDonalds and Greenpeace.

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  100. alex Masterley (1,438 comments) says:

    Longknives.

    Can’t see name supression lasting beyond sentencing.

    It’s not like it’s a case of like father like son.

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  101. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Some amusing photographs: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521146/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-service-World-leaders-gather-South-Africa-remember-president.html

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  102. Grant (382 comments) says:

    Yoza, can I assume from the substantial number of comments that you post on this site, and probably others, that you are not employed?. Just asking.
    G

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  103. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    nickb (3,237 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Yep. Let’s hope our unfairly sacked captain gets back to back 100s.

    The same fellow who was dropped (badly) before he scored?

    I notice Shillingford is still throwing wicket balls.

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  104. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Labour Light getting lighter by the day: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8769329/parental-leave-extension-bid-gets-breather

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  105. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Key’s forgettable moment at Mandela event

    Key is pictured with his British counterpart, David Cameron, apparently sharing a light hearted moment. But while Cameron is named, our leader is called ”an unidentified guest”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9504109/Keys-forgettable-moment-at-Mandela-event

    Wasn’t Helen Clark detained at an Oz airport when she was PM

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  106. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Yup. That’s right Tinny. And he’s making them pay.

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  107. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Dying dad gets nation’s support

    A dying father’s Christmas wish for his family is 27,000 steps closer to being realised thanks to the generosity of Kiwis.

    Cancer victim Clinton Tata’s story was publicised by Fairfax yesterday.

    The 36-year-old father of five has been battling kidney cancer since August and has been given limited time to live.

    He said seeing his children on Christmas morning was his ultimate wish.

    His family was trying to raise the money to pay for specialised treatment overseas.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9503965/Dying-dad-gets-nations-support

    KiwiBloggers won’t like this bludger. Can you imagine the ruckus Whale will be making over this Maori bludger !!!

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  108. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Yoza
    Easy. The service Greenpeace sells is environmental activism. They charge customers for these services by explaining what they do and getting them to pay for Greenpeace to do it.
    Having read some of the material they hand out to get money, some of it seems more exaggeration if not downright untruthful (polar bears dying out for example). I wonder that if you use an untruthful document to solicit funds then isn’t this using a document for pecuniary advantage aka fraud?

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  109. Bad__Cat (117 comments) says:

    Yoza said: “I do not think many Kiwibloggers would feel out of place in Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy or Pinochet’s Chile”

    Fat_Cat says “except for the Kiwibloggers like Yoza who would feel right at home in Kim Jong-un’s North Korea or Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe”

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  110. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    Just for fun, seeing as you’re the undisputed expert on socialism and communism, could you explain why communism hasn’t worked in the cricketing world? Why can’t Australia and England get along in the Ashes series given that things could be so much better if they stopped trying to win, and instead worked together for a better cause? How, when and why did the Black Caps become part of a group of evil US-aligned neoliberal puppets? And why does McCullum expect the government to bail him out (yes, bad pun) when he doesn’t understand the price of his own wicket?

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  111. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business –

    Since the New York Daily News photo gallery has now given Key an identity, stuff seem to have downgraded their item.
    They would be better dropping such bullshit altogether.
    The photo gallery originally identified few people in their many photographs.
    But see if ONE NEWS and TV3 NEWS can get through their 6pm bulletins without a reference to it.

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  112. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    A thought for Kiwi Bloggers approaching the Christmas Season

    Corrections will probably release a sound bite describing inmates Christmas lunch as usual.

    Here’s my gift to Kiwi Bloggers in what they really want to hear instead of the polite stock comment from Corrections about a well balanced, nutritious and ample Christmas fare.

    “We’ll give them the usual slop we dole out to them with a little flavouring and topped with sultana’s for a difference.
    More than these animals deserve. Tax payers can rest in the knowledge privatisation has taken away a lot inmates used to enjoy and non kiwi guards with no empathy for New Zealanders who don’t give these crims an inch.”

    Curious though that a feature in the Herald on Army food showed portions that were absolutely unattractive to look at and more to be desribed as a dog’s dinner.

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  113. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Grant (349 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Yoza, can I assume from the substantial number of comments that you post on this site, and probably others, that you are not employed?. Just asking.

    I work as a builder, but last Thursday I had an umbilical hernia operation and I can’t really do much for the next month or so, …you lot are my primary source of entertainment. :)

    All_on_Red (694 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Yoza
    Easy. The service Greenpeace sells is environmental activism. They charge customers for these services by explaining what they do and getting them to pay for Greenpeace to do it.
    Having read some of the material they hand out to get money, some of it seems more exaggeration if not downright untruthful (polar bears dying out for example). I wonder that if you use an untruthful document to solicit funds then isn’t this using a document for pecuniary advantage aka fraud?

    My favourite thing about you, All on Red, is you appear to be completely unaware of how stupid you actually are.

    Nostradamus (2,567 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Yoza:

    Just for fun, seeing as you’re the undisputed expert on socialism and communism, could you explain why communism hasn’t worked in the cricketing world? Why can’t Australia and England get along in the Ashes series given that things could be so much better if they stopped trying to win, and instead worked together for a better cause? How, when and why did the Black Caps become part of a group of evil US-aligned neoliberal puppets? And why does McCullum expect the government to bail him out (yes, bad pun) when he doesn’t understand the price of his own wicket?

    Take the New Zealand Cricket team throughout history. Notice how many are white. I would say you would be lucky to pick out 3 percent who were not white. The reason is cricket in New Zealand is class based and most of those who are members of the class structure from which the New Zealand cricket team are selected are white. If the New Zealand cricket team reflected New Zealand society generally they would look more like the All Blacks. This is also the reason they are so crap, they are selected from a very limited gene pool.

    Happy?

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  114. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    DPF

    I think you should give Kea a limited kiwiblog account, it should allow him/her access to his/her own page only where he/she can
    rant all his/her hatred of the religion, the world and anyone who doesn’t share his/her beliefs, noone else need have posting rights on it that way we all don’t have to put up with the self absorbed narrccissist here on GD and religous threads.
    Similarly you should give Muggins one as well so he can rant his ignorance of the Bain case to himself, and no one has to put up with the copious amounts of bullshit that the broken record spits out when trying to turn every GD thread into a Bain discussion.

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  115. OneTrack (1,961 comments) says:

    Weihana -”In class we were learning our ABCs and our times tables. Maybe it’s different now.”

    Yes. Yes, it is.

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  116. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “If the New Zealand cricket team reflected New Zealand society generally they would look more like the All Blacks. This is also the reason they are so crap, they are selected from a very limited gene pool.”

    So white people aren’t good at cricket? Is that what you are saying?

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  117. muggins (2,901 comments) says:

    Rowan,
    I have far more knowledge of the Bain case than you do.
    If you had half the knowledge I had you would know that David Bain murdered his family by shooting them all in the head.
    Even his lawyer at the first trial does not believe he is innocent.
    If David Bain was innocent he wouldn’t be telling all those lies.
    Anyway the main thing is that he won’t be getting any compensation.
    I don’t think he will even ask for his claim to be put back on the table again after those letters Michael Guest sent to Judith Collins. Those letters would have scuppered any slim chance Bain might have had of receiving compensation.
    Commonsense has won out in the end and thank goodness fot that.

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  118. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    Take the New Zealand Cricket team throughout history. Notice how many are white. I would say you would be lucky to pick out 3 percent who were not white. The reason is cricket in New Zealand is class based and most of those who are members of the class structure from which the New Zealand cricket team are selected are white. If the New Zealand cricket team reflected New Zealand society generally they would look more like the All Blacks. This is also the reason they are so crap, they are selected from a very limited gene pool.

    Happy?

    An interesting response.

    Would you apply the same reasoning to Australia and South Africa given where they’re sitting in the league tables?

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  119. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Longknives (3,462 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    So white people aren’t good at cricket? Is that what you are saying?

    My God, how stupid are you? The pool of white people from which the New Zealand cricket team has been historically selected is too shallow to be competitive. They are the New Zealand equivalent of a selection from the English public school system, if the selection of New Zealand cricketers was more egalitarian (selected from a broad strata of the New Zealand class system) there would be a greater depth of talent and at least 20 to 30 percent would be Maori or of Pacific Island extraction.

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  120. OneTrack (1,961 comments) says:

    “This guy Max Coyle is an absolute nutter. The Greens can have him !”

    They dont need him. They have got more.

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  121. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Muggins you are the most arrogant piece of cr** online.
    You have no knowledge of the bain case at all.
    Again you are misrepresenting the facts, the second Third degree piece showed Michael Guest clearly stating that he did not know if DB was guilty or not.
    If any of what you are saying was factually based then you would not need to lie and misrepresent what was said in order to portray what you want to convince people of. Similarly you could substantiate your arguments with verified facts rather than just spouting bullshit from your arse.
    Actually you have no idea what is happening or going to happen with the JR and none of us do so more speculation.
    The truth will actually win at the end of the day as it has to date since the PC quashed the conviction back in 2007.

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  122. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    An interesting response.

    Would you apply the same reasoning to Australia and South Africa given where they’re sitting in the league tables?

    As far as I am aware amongst Australian and South African whites cricket isn’t so exclusive and as they have larger populations the pool of talent is much deeper and, as a consequence, their respective domestic games are far more competitive.

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  123. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    @Nostradanus. I remember listening to an interview with John Morrison on the radio relatively recently and he was talking about something very similar when venting his disgust at the treatment of Jesse Ryder.

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  124. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    So you are claiming Yoza that there are loads of brilliant Maori cricketers out there that aren’t being selected for New Zealand because of some inherent ‘racism’??

    Have you been drinking?

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  125. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    Are you able to provide evidence that “cricket in New Zealand is class based” (your words)?

    For you to substantiate this proposition, and to back up your broader proposition about Black Cap performance, I’d say you’ll need to do two things:

    - explain what class based means in the context of NZ cricket;
    - identify cricketers who were specifically chosen to represent NZ because of their ethnicity, and not because of their on-the-field performance.

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  126. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ muggins (2,799 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Clearly you don’t know as much as you think you do.

    Obviously someone doesn’t think you are important enough to keep updated.

    Mr Guest has ‘nothing’ to add, anymore. :-)

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  127. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The Parking Warden’s Funeral
    As the coffin was being lowered into the ground at a Parking Wardens’s funeral a voice from inside screams:
    “I’m not dead, I’m not dead! Let me out!!!”
    The Vicar smiles, leans forward sucking air through his teeth and mutters:
    “Too late pal, the paperwork’s already done”

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  128. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    Seeing as you’ve introduced Jesse Ryder into the conversation, do you approve of the fact that he played for the New Zealand Māori cricket team, which “represented the Māori community of New Zealand in the 2001 Pacifica Cup cricket tournament” (which, in turn, apparently means that they didn’t represent the rest of New Zealand)?

    Is that where you think we need to go – one New Zealand Maori cricket team, and another New Zealand cricket team for everyone else? If so, seeing as Ryder has previously played for the New Zealand Maori cricket team, should he be allowed to play in the New Zealand cricket team?

    The point I’m making is that ethnicity surely has no place in player selection.

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  129. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    GD is just a prog sewer

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  130. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Longknives (3,463 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    So you are claiming Yoza that there are loads of brilliant Maori cricketers out there that aren’t being selected for New Zealand because of some inherent ‘racism’??

    No, what I am saying is the reason there are so few Maori playing cricket is because, nationally, cricket is an exclusive sport and Maori, Pacific Islanders and most whites are under represented in the cricket playing culture in New Zealand.

    It really is not that hard to understand!

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  131. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I am not the problem here,

    Mrs Yoza’s young fella is the only one in step, who would have thunk

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  132. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Our best 2 players are Samoan and Maori you knuckle dragging prog homo.

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  133. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Cricket is an “exclusive sport”???

    Mate it’s not exactly Polo….I play- and anyone is most welcome to come have a bash at my club…even you Yoza!

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  134. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Amount of facts shared by Muggins on KB: 0
    Amount of unsubstantiated crap, spin, bullshit posted here by the serial liar: infinite, increasing with every post
    And he is surprised that noone with half a brain takes the bullshit he spouts seriously!
    Muggins you dumb f…!

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  135. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Nostradamus (2,571 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    The point I’m making is that ethnicity surely has no place in player selection.

    I didn’t say ethnicity had any basis in player selection, what I said was certain ethnicities were under represented in the exclusive class, within the New Zealand class system, from which New Zealand players are selected.

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  136. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Rowan, go play somewhere with Judith please. You Bainiacs are like the Greenpeace jerks that accost you in the street. Annoying and weird.

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  137. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Yoza’s first step in tearing down the apartheid white capitalist plutocracy: banning cricket.

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  138. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    Do you approve of this solution to what you say is an ethnicity under-representation issue in NZ cricket?

    NORTHERN MAORI is the first official domestic Maori cricket team in New Zealand, representing Northern Districts with occasional guest players from other Major Association regions.

    The team plays annual Twenty20 and limited overs fixtures, has toured internationally and is dedicated to providing a pathway to encourage talented young Maori sportspeople to pursue achievement through cricket.

    Bear in mind that top-level selection is, by definition, exclusive – because only the best talent should be selected.

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  139. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Rowan/Judith- Go have a cup of tea and a lie down…You don’t want to blow a gasket now!

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  140. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Yes very true Longknives. Please go and explain to someone else how there is absolutely nothing weird about “finding” your family dead, but ringing 111 half an hour later after you have washed your own bloodied clothes.

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  141. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan should be worrying for Labour and David Cunliffe. Greens and NZ First will be happy to close the year up.

    National Party (45%, up 0.5%)
    Maori Party 1.5% (unchanged)
    United Future 0% (down 0.5%)
    ACT NZ 0% (down 0.5%)

    Labour Party 30.5% (down 3.5%)
    Greens have risen to 14.5% (up 3.5%)
    New Zealand First 5% (up 1.5%)
    Mana Party 1% (unchanged)

    Conservative Party of NZ 2% (unchanged)
    Others 0.5% (down 1%)

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5339-new-zealand-voting-intention-december-11-2013-201312110519

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  142. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    United Future 0% (down 0.5%)

    Another rogue poll? :)

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  143. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    I love watching cricket or listening to it on the radio – the only time I don’t listen to National Radio is when there is a domestic test series. I think it is great that there is a Northern Maori team and they get to play competitive games. New Zealand cricket and its regional constituents need to get into lower decile schools -both primary and secondary – and ensure those kids have access to decent coaching, encouragement and equipment. If cricket was as inclusive as rugby or softball New Zealand would be highly competitive on the international stage.

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  144. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Nick B
    I didn’t turn this into a bain thread, that was the serial bullcrapper, I just pointed out to DPF that he should be given his own thread to rant to himself and noone else would have to listen to him, from then on, along came Aunt Fanny with the usual bullcrap.

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  145. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Rowan/Judith- But I like listening to Muggins. He talks good commonsense and invariably blows you out of the water with his truths on the Bain saga…
    Not everybody wants to hear Karam’s ridiculous propaganda.

    Now back to talking cricket!

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  146. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    I didn’t turn this into a bain thread … I just pointed out to DPF that he should be given his own thread to rant to himself …

    Well, let’s see, the first person to mention Bain on this thread was… you:

    Rowan (1,276 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    DPF

    I think you should give Kea a limited kiwiblog account, it should allow him/her access to his/her own page only where he/she can
    rant all his/her hatred of the religion, the world and anyone who doesn’t share his/her beliefs, noone else need have posting rights on it that way we all don’t have to put up with the self absorbed narrccissist here on GD and religous threads.
    Similarly you should give Muggins one as well so he can rant his ignorance of the Bain case to himself, and no one has to put up with the copious amounts of bullshit that the broken record spits out when trying to turn every GD thread into a Bain discussion.

    So, by your own admission, you introduced the subject into this thread. And, clearly, you did more than suggest Muggins should be given his own thread to rant to himself. It’s a bit disingenuous of you to claim otherwise.

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  147. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    ‘nickb (3,242 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    Yes very true Longknives. Please go and explain to someone else how there is absolutely nothing weird about “finding” your family dead, but ringing 111 half an hour later after you have washed your own bloodied clothes.’

    Of course you have evidence of that, or is it that you’ve repeated it often enough it must be true.
    That one lost it’s impact with the revelation that David’s call was recorded before a 7am shift change at the call centre, that is after he was seen entering the gate at 6.45.
    Stick with that one about no fingerprints of Robins on the rifle it’s equally as false but it might have more impact for the bewildered.

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  148. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Uh oh – the Bain groupies are gathering for another intense session – the thread has just gone <<<that way<<<

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  149. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Now back to talking cricket!

    What an epic Taylor innings…rode his luck but to back up a double with another hundred is highly impressive.

    I’m glad Taylor and Williamson don’t seem to adhere to the Fleming/McCullum school of thought that an attractive 45 is good enough

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  150. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Is Taylor better for the team when he’s not captain? He said today he’s feeling as good mentally as he ever has.

    Whether McCullum should be captain or should be in the test team is a separate issue.

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  151. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Taylor is in good form no doubt..
    Would he make a NZ greatest Test XI?? (Bearing in mind Sutcliffe and Crowe would have 3 and 4 sewn up..)

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  152. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    ‘Longknives (3,466 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    Rowan/Judith- But I like listening to Muggins. He talks good commonsense and invariably blows you out of the water with his truths on the Bain saga…
    Not everybody wants to hear Karam’s ridiculous propaganda.

    Now back to talking cricket!’

    Have you been living under a rock, Aunt Fanny’s ‘knowledge’ of the Bain case was rejected as irrelevant by the Auckland High Court in Parker’s recent trial. Furthermore the public apology registered by Fairfax media yesterday was in part for the ramblings of the two respondents in the same trial and their unwanted ‘expert.’ An expensive lesson in the many hundreds of thousands just on legal costs I imagine.

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  153. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    NickB:

    Interesting article on CricInfo:

    West Indies had the chance to dismiss Ross Taylor for the first time in the series off his fifth ball in Wellington. Kirk Edwards put him down at third slip off Tino Best, though. Taylor would have been gone for a duck, and New Zealand would have been 26 for 3. By the time he finally fell in the 88th over, Taylor had made his tenth Test hundred, gone past 4000 career Test runs and tallied 362 runs for the series. In half-century partnerships each with Kane Williamson, Brendon McCullum and Corey Anderson, Taylor also carried New Zealand to 307 for 6 after they had been put in on a grassy Basin Reserve pitch.

    Taylor, who’d nudged his way around against the spinners, drove Best ‘s first delivery with the new ball straight past the bowler for four. BJ Watling batted safely for stumps at the other end, and New Zealand would have ended even stronger had a tired Taylor not thrown his bat at everything.

    That last sentence is telling for me.

    Taylor threw his bat at everything – even when there were only a couple of overs left in the day. Tired, yes. Throw your bat at everything when stumps is not far off, not such a great idea.

    But full credit to him – a great innings that, once again, got NZ out of a crap situation.

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  154. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    On the subject of the cricket, WI quickly surrendered the new ball to the spinners after it had seemed they were racing through the overs in order to take it. Taylor said that the wind had been getting to him toward the end of his innings. There is going to be immense pressure put on the Windies with the ball and the conditions.

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  155. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Taylor threw his bat at everything – even when there were only a couple of overs left in the day. Tired, yes. Throw your bat at everything when stumps is not far off, not such a great idea.

    I get that, but then on the other hand at 129n.o. being served up pies in the form of your life you would back yourself to smash it. But if we are being particularly harsh you could say he should have pushed on and been not out at stumps. Now BJ has to cobble some runs together with the bowlers to get us in a really strong position.

    Longknives – can he slot in at 5? He is the best since Crowe, no doubt.

    EDIT: Not sure if you guys saw, he moved up to 7 on the ICC Test batting rankings yesterday. Pretty good achievement IMO. No other kiwi in top 25, and I can’t remember a kiwi ever being in top 10.

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  156. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    It never ceases to sadden me how much the Windies have slipped…
    I remember when I was a lad they had Greenidge,Haynes,Richardson, IVA Richards (Still the greatest batsman I have seen in my lifetime) Lloyd, Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner (and about ten other big mean fast bowlers)
    And now they are hapless easybeats!
    Perhaps they need a ‘quota’ of White players Yoza?? (in the interest of ‘representation’ and ‘equality’)

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  157. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Have you guys been reading Crowe’s articles on Cricinfo? I find them fascinating, he has a knack for emotional (at times melodramatic?) but very incisive writing. He sure gave NZC a serve on there after Taylor was sacked.

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  158. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    It never ceases to sadden me how much the Windies have slipped…
    I remember when I was a lad they had Greenidge,Haynes,Richardson, IVA Richards (Still the greatest batsman I have seen in my lifetime) Lloyd, Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner (and about ten other big mean fast bowlers)
    And now they are hapless easybeats!
    Perhaps they need a ‘quota’ of White players Yoza?? (in the interest of ‘representation’ and ‘equality’)

    I downloaded and watched “Fire in Babylon” this week. It’s basically a documentary of the WI team from 1975-1985ish when they were at their peak. It was great, highly recommended.

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  159. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “and I can’t remember a kiwi ever being in top 10.”

    At his peak MD Crowe was ranked consistently in the top 3..

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  160. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    United Future 0% (down 0.5%)

    Where is Andrea Vance when you (desperately) need her?

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  161. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    At his peak MD Crowe was ranked consistently in the top 3..

    Back when I was a young nipper not interested a jot in cricket :)

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  162. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    Taylor has been dropped early in both his century innings this series. He certainly is riding his luck. Good on him but let’s not go overboard here – the way (and when) he got out today was poor at best.

    Nickb, Williamson certainly was more like Fleming than Taylor today.

    It’ll be interesting how the Windies bat on this track.

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  163. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I honestly believe that the most talented batsman we have had since Crowe is JD Ryder.
    Whether he ever actually lives up to his immense potential is the question (especially as he is approaching 30)..

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  164. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    nickb:

    Have you guys been reading Crowe’s articles on Cricinfo?

    I read this one earlier today. An interesting read (although I suspect Yoza would disagree with most of it).

    Some key quotes:

    When we stop to analyse the greats of our day, or even the masses who enjoy cricket, you can start to see the reason why we take up various roles within the game.

    Cricket is a unique sporting symbol of life; many characters searching for their role in life through a sport that tests one’s resilience and resolve, man against man, country against country, day after day. Many sports provide this in different ways, over shorter durations, yet I just wonder if Test cricket isn’t the game that really tests the entire gambit, truly reveals a man’s life.

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  165. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    “Taylor is in good form no doubt..
    Would he make a NZ greatest Test XI?? (Bearing in mind Sutcliffe and Crowe would have 3 and 4 sewn up..)”

    I think he would, I have not given this a hell of a lot of thought but to me this is the best NZ team I can think of at short notice.

    Turner, Richardson, A Jones, M Crowe, Sutcliffe, R Taylor, C Cairns, I Smith, R Hadlee, Bond, Vettori. G Bartlett as 12th man.

    Yeah I know that Bartlett was a chucker but is seems that chucking is allowed these days.

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  166. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    No place for JG Wright Bruv?? 12 test centuries at an average of about 38??

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  167. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (3,470 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Yeah, sure he talks sense, just like nickb, who can somehow find half an hour – which not even the police managed to come close to. Clearly he doesn’t even know the time the phone call was made.

    Typical idiotic Counterspin and JFRB crap – what a bunch of uninformed losers you all are!

    Muggins wouldn’t recognise the truth if it didn’t suit his attention seeking, which is why he lied about what the police wrote to him.

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  168. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Sheesh Tinny, its a tough crowd here. Dismissed once in 3 innings for nearly 400 runs.

    I think Bruv has nailed it, although with a team with that much batting power (so we don’t need Vettori’s rearguards) can we get a spinner that actually turns the ball and can bowl sides out in the 4th innings? Can we claim Clarie Grimmett even though Australia stole him?

    Longknives, it sure is a shame. He could have had a solid 7-8 years of international cricket right now. Is hard to predict how his career will end up.

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  169. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Longknives.

    Hard to look past Richardson with an average of nearly 45.

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  170. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t have Vettori anywhere near my ‘greatest’ team…for the same reason as nickb- He simply doesn’t turn the ball.
    Good One-Day bowler though…

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  171. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Judith:

    Can you please take your obsession somewhere else?

    To the others:

    Who are some of the up-and-coming NZ cricketers (not currently playing at international level) that we should be watching out for?

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  172. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Whether McCullum should be captain or should be in the test team is a separate issue.

    What I consider most interesting is who drops out of current test XI when Ryder returns. Clearly our XI playing now is the best in the country bar Ryder.

    Is he a straight swap for Anderson, in which case we lose a genuine 4th seamer / 5th bowling option, powerful batter and a promising young allrounder? That would be a great shame IMHO.

    Or does Fulton get jettisoned and Watling moved up to open again? It seems a bit harsh on Watling who has been pretty solid at no. 7, but IMO this option keeps a good balance in the team.

    What are the other alternatives?

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  173. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    nickb

    I agree with you re Vettori, I did pick him based on his early career when he did turn the ball.

    Having said that, when you play half your games in NZ you are not going to play on turning wickers a lot so there is an argument for a ‘slow bowler’ as apposed to a spin bowler.

    The other question I have is this. If you take my team as read then who is your captain?

    For me it would be Turner.

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  174. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “what a bunch of uninformed losers you all are”

    Well Judith if you can come up with a better Test XI then more power to you! No need to get nasty though…

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  175. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (3,470 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Yeah, sure he talks sense, just like nickb, who can somehow find half an hour – which not even the police managed to come close to. Clearly he doesn’t even know the time the phone call was made.

    Typical idiotic Counterspin and JFRB crap – what a bunch of uninformed losers you all are!

    Muggins wouldn’t recognise the truth if it didn’t suit his attention seeking, which is why he lied about what the police wrote to him.

    Joe, can you please just leave us be. We’re talking cricket.

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  176. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Big Bruv:

    What would your ODI team look like?

    I’m thinking the likes of Gavin Larsen and Chris Harris (who were good at slowing down the run flow) – and perhaps Scott Styris?

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  177. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (2,577 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    I am not sure why you and others have some advanced sense of your own importance that you think you have the right to tell people what they can talk about – as far as I am aware, that is up to DPF and his appointed assistants.

    As far as I’m concerned, the minute cricket is mentioned the thread goes that way <<<<<<<<<<<<, but I was bought up, not dragged up and accept that people have a variety of interests and the right to discuss them without having bullies dictating who can talk about which subjects.

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  178. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Turner,Wright (C) , Sutcliffe, Crowe, JR Reid, C Cairns, Wadsworth, Hadlee, Bracewell, Bond, Collinge

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  179. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ nickb (3,250 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Talking about over-inflated sense of their own importance, and in springs Nickb with his inane insults.

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  180. publicwatchdog (1,822 comments) says:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Banks-trial-date-set/tabid/423/articleID/324693/Default.aspx

    Not surprising that John Banks has chosen trial by Judge, rather than trial by jury?

    It probably wouldn’t be easy to find a jury of his ‘peers’?

    How many ex-Ministers with chronic amnesia are there out there?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  181. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Nos

    “Big Bruv:

    What would your ODI team look like?”

    No idea. I detest the game sorry mate. I could not tell you as I don’t watch it as a rule.

    Same for the T20 crap.

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  182. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (3,474 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    I’m sorry, did you and your friends think you are the only ones with some sort of entitlement to rudeness?

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  183. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Penny.

    Piss off and pay your rates. The men are talking sport.

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  184. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    If McCullum is going to remain as a specialist batsman they could put him back as opener. He might as well be unreliable there, not much different to what we’re used to.

    Rutherford has ability but he’s going to have to do more at test level to be more than a short game whacker.

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  185. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (2,579 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    Judith:

    Can you please take your obsession somewhere else?

    I don’t like cricket talk, I find it really boring. Would you mind taking your obsession somewhere else?

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  186. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Forgot about the great JR Reid. He seems to be generally regarded as a better player than Cairns? Maybe just down to romanticising the past.

    Also, did you guys see this?

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cairns-no-show-at-Fight-for-Life-conference-preparing-to-make-statement/tabid/415/articleID/324737/Default.aspx

    What could his be about? He has already vehemently denied allegations. It could be that he is pulling out of Fight for Life, but why would that need lawyers involved?

    Very interesting.

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  187. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Bruv- I like ODI cricket and detest T20.
    One Day cricket is still about strategy and skill.
    T20 is just ‘hit and giggle’ slogfest bullshit- A cheap product designed for people who don’t like/understand cricket…

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  188. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Longknives.

    Not sure that Collinge belongs in that group mate. A good honest battler but compared to the others we was but a journeyman.

    Same goes for Wadsworth, he was an adequate keeper but not in the same class as Ian Smith.

    You also have five seamers and one spinner. Given the strength of the batting line up I am not sure you need that many bowlers when you have the likes of Hadlee and Bond in your arsenal.

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  189. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    “I don’t like cricket talk, I find it really boring. Would you mind taking your obsession somewhere else?”

    You have obviously never experienced the joy of trying to feverishly grip a slippery white ball when your reputation was on the line Judith? :)

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  190. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    I’m thinking the likes of Gavin Larsen and Chris Harris (who were good at slowing down the run flow) – and perhaps Scott Styris?

    You forgot Jacob “Thinking of Family” Oram?

    EDIT: Or James Franklin. FFS, send them to the retirement village

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  191. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    More serious mattes than Bain and cricket.
    Preparing Chicken for Xmas.
    Great recipe.

    When I found this recipe, I though it
    was perfect for people like me, who are not sure how to tell when
    poultry is thoroughly cooked, but not dried out.

    Give this a try.

    1 chicken
    1 cup melted butter
    1 cup stuffing
    1 cup uncooked popcorn
    Salt/pepper to taste

    Preheat oven to 200 degrees.
    Brush chicken well with melted butter salt and pepper.
    Fill cavity with stuffing mixed with popcorn.
    Place in baking pan with the neck end toward the back of the oven.
    Listen for the popping sounds. When the chicken’s arse blows the
    oven door open and the chicken flies across the room and lands on the
    table, it’s done and ready to eat..

    And you thought I couldn’t cook!!!

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  192. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Maybe we could find a spot for D Bain?
    Fast bowler maybe? I hear he was pretty quick (lightening on his paper run) and a bloody angry young man..
    I’m sure with his pace, aggression and height he could rip through the top five pretty quickly!

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  193. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Judith:

    I am not sure why you and others have some advanced sense of your own importance that you think you have the right to tell people what they can talk about – as far as I am aware, that is up to DPF and his appointed assistants.

    You’ve missed the point completely (not surprising). I have the right to tell you what I think. I don’t have the right to make you do anything.

    This is a public discussion forum. I’ve noticed that you and the likes of Rowan like to start discussions about Bain. Rowan was the first one to mention Bain on this thread. And you want to keep playing the bang-the-Bain-bongo drum? I mean, seriously, can’t you talk about anything else?

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  194. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    He’d have to wear a white jumper though Longknives! :)

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  195. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,025 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    What reputation? You aren’t seriously suggesting that Kiwiblog is where reputations are made? Do you really believe that what these idiots have to say has any effect on the rest of the world? You’ve shagged one to many sheep Johnny!

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  196. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Bruv- I picked Collinge because he was a quality left armer and a huge man. The best attacks have a mix of right armers and left armers (think Akram and Younis)
    I think he would compliment Bond and Hadlee nicely…
    And I think you are a bit harsh on the late Ken Wadsworth, his career was cut short by his untimely death but players of that era rated him very highly..

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  197. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    T20 is just ‘hit and giggle’ slogfest bullshit- A cheap product designed for people who don’t like/understand cricket…

    Amen! T20 really reflects the dumbing down of our society. It is a game for braindead bogans

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  198. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    nickb:

    T20 really reflects the dumbing down of our society. It is a game for braindead bogans

    Sounds like something Yoza might approve of then?

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  199. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    But they have all been Ewe’s Judith. I have never feverishly gripped a white ball. :)

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  200. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (2,580 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Actually, you are quite wrong there, I very very seldom start any conversations about Bain. I posted a link to the Fairfax decision yesterday because of the interest in defamation via media, but that is not the Bain case, and I wasn’t the first to raise it anyway.

    I challenge you to find one example where I have raised the topic in a thread in the last three months. I will respond when it is raised, but I don’t start it.

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  201. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Longknives.

    Ok…so you and I are sitting around the selection table picking this team (whilst ordering Penny and Judith to “shut the fuck up and get the beers”)

    If I agree to go with Collinge then the question I have to ask you is why do we need JR Reid and C Cairns in that side. One (or both) of them are going to do fuck all bowling so we need to select one or two more batsmen.

    Also, I am not sure that we do need a left hander. Lillee and Thomo, the Great Windies quicks…none of them were lefties.

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  202. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    You are not Joe Karam’s wife by any chance are you Judith?

    If you are I can understand why he is mad! :)

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  203. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Maybe we could find a spot for D Bain?
    Fast bowler maybe? I hear he was pretty quick (lightening on his paper run) and a bloody angry young man..
    I’m sure with his pace, aggression and height he could rip through the top five pretty quickly!

    LOL

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  204. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,027 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I gripped many when I was at college. My father made me – his son wouldn’t play cricket so he made his daughter. I also got dragged along to all the internationals to watch grown men play with their balls. I developed a hatred of the game due to over-exposure. I doubt I’ll ever change my mind.

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  205. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,028 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    You don’t know much about Joe Karam do you?

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  206. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Judith:

    I’m happy to take you at your word as far as starting conversations go.

    You say you only respond when the issue is raised. I can’t for the life of me see what your 6:55 pm comment achieved – not a particularly constructive response, in my view, and one that seemed designed to take the discussion for another trip around the block.

    Anyway, I don’t want to turn this into a sideshow, so back to the cricket!

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  207. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Bruv- Always good to have plenty of bowling options…
    But if you were going to chop Reid for another batsman then I’d say Astle/Taylor come into the equation?

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  208. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Nerve touched I see Judith.

    Shame about your unhappy childhood with your nasty Father.

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  209. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (2,582 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    My comment at 6.55pm was answering a previous one made. Are you suggesting that I don’t have the right to comment on such things?

    The thing is Nostradamus – Muggins and others who believe in Bain’s guilt, seem to be able to make whatever comments they like, and no one complains when they raise the issue, but as soon as someone who thinks the opposite makes a comment, people like you come along and whinge like little school-girls. I regard that as bullying. Simply trying to shut up any opposition. That is not how discussion works, and there is no way I’ll let any of their jumped up bullying tactics intimidate me.

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  210. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Judith, if you don’t like cricket, bearing in mind no one wants to talk about your sole reason for commenting here (Bainmania) then it looks like you are going to have to go forth and propagate.

    Where does Martin Donnelly fit into the XI? Test average of nearly 50 before war cut his career short?

    EDIT: And Stewie Dempster?

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  211. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,029 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    My father was a great guy – In the real world not everyone thinks the same and believes the same things, and they are even allowed to disagree on subjects and likes and dislikes, and yet still love/like each other. It’s a pity there are so many people that don’t seem to understand that in here.

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  212. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    My Father wouldn’t let me play cricket in the weekend, much as I would have loved to, he made me dip the sheep.

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  213. muggins (2,901 comments) says:

    I see the cricket has taken precedence over David Bain and fair enough.
    I will just mention one piece of evidence, those bloody sockprints that Bain’s supporters, and even Binnie , say point to Robin as having made them.
    Now the best print was 280mm long.
    D/S Weir said he could not see any definition of the toes when he looked at that luminol print.
    ESR scientist Peter Hentschel said that print was not a complete heel and toe print.
    Robin Bain’s foot measured 270mm.
    David Bain’s foot measured 300mm.
    So we have an incomplete print measuring 280mm.
    Who is more likely to have made that print?

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  214. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ nickb (3,255 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Oh dear Nick, do I have to explain to you how a blog site works? You see dear, you are not the only person here reading it. In fact, even your friends aren’t the only people that are exposed to it. When I responded at 6.55pm it was to a previous post. No doubt that person will come along at some stage, or not, and read that response.

    You’ve really got to get over thinking it is all about you – its not.

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  215. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Longknives.

    I can see that this will be a long selection meeting. You better tell Judith and Penny that we want something to eat as well.

    I still struggle with the concept that a team that includes Bond, Hadlee and C Cairns at their best is going to need much more than 75-80 overs to bowl a team out. I am not sure we need that many options. If you had said to me that you wanted to find a place for somebody like Bartlett (from what the old timers tell me he was indeed shit quick) or a ultra competitor like Dion Nash then I might have been persuaded.

    I still think that three quicks is plenty, I would go for the extra batsmen.

    Interestingly enough, had the tattooed one stayed keeping wickets then he might have displaced Ian Smith from my team.

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  216. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    “You don’t know much about Joe Karam do you?”

    Don’t tell me. He isn’t Gay is he Judith? :)

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  217. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    big bruv – Penny. Piss off and pay your rates.

    Inquiries indicate there is nothing spectacularly ‘undue’ with rates on
    86A School Road, Kingsland, Auckland, 1021
    Assessment Number 00000674648

    It may be that Penny Bright’s grasp of the truth is much like that actually of her protagonist, John Banks, who sees technicality sufficing for what others interpret as honesty.
    A little like Key, referring to Banks earlier, in terms of “there is no conviction, so nothing is wrong and no need for me to read the Police Report on the matter” – technical bullshit that may still bite him in the bum a little.

    I would not worry about Penny’s rates until she provides a written demand addressed to her from the Auckland City Council to authenticate her claims.

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  218. muggins (2,901 comments) says:

    Sorry, cricket lovers , another interruption. Rowan,
    Re Bain.
    Have you read the trial transcript?
    If you had you would know that MIlton Weir testified that he couldn’t see the outline of the toes when he looked at that sockprint. So here we have a sockprint measuring 280mm without the toes visible.
    Robin Bain’s foot was 270mm long. David Bain’s was 300mm long.
    Whose foot would that print more likely to be? David Bain’s of course.
    Have you read the retrial transcript?
    If you had that a week before he was murdered Robin Bain had asked a friend in the choir who also had a son in the choir if they could get together and form a quartet. He said he would look up some music that they could play.
    What about Ingred Duckley? Robin Bain phoned her on the Friday prior and made an appointment to see her on the Monday morning so as to get some more funding. She said they had a pleasant chat, a few laughs.
    Have you read the cross-examination of Cyril Wilden?
    Q. Are you a clinical psycholigist?
    A. I’m not a clinical psychologist,I am an educational psychologist.
    Q. Clinical psychologists tend to make clinical assessments of their patients, don’t they?
    A. They tend to ,yes.
    Q. Robin Bain was not your patient,was he?
    A. No,he wasn’t.
    Q. You never made a proper clinical assessment of him, did you?
    A. No.

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  219. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,030 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    I’ve spent a bit of time doing that too!! My family has owned a chunk of prime King Country land for more than 110 years.

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  220. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,031 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Don’t know, never met the man, but he used to look mighty fine in shorts.

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  221. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    Nickb

    Donnelly and Dempter simply did not play enough games. For a batsmen to have a “true” test average the general consensus is that they had to have had 20 innings. Both Dempster and Donnelly are well short of that. As an example if M Hussey had retired early he would have had a test average of nearly 80, would that have made him the second best batsmen of all time?

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  222. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    You are not Joe Karam’s wife by any chance are you Judith?

    Nah Karam’s wife shot the gap many years ago. Not surprising when you’re obsessed with a guy who on the available evidence probably murdered his family.

    http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/sites/davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/files/Bain%20Case%20-%20N&S%20Article%20optimised_0.pdf

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  223. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ ross69 (3,162 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    You shouldn’t oughta talk about that Ross – you’ll get told off by ‘the cricketers’ who are apparently ‘in charge’ of any discussion on here!

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  224. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    I’ve never trusted jokers with ears like Prince Charles! :)

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  225. muggins (2,901 comments) says:

    Sorry about that double up re those bloody sockprints, but at least it should now be clear to Rowan, Judith and even Joe Karam as to who it was that made them.
    And it should also be clear to them that Robin Bain was never diagnosed as being depressed, however much they would want you to believe that he was.

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  226. big bruv (12,351 comments) says:

    “You shouldn’t oughta talk about that Ross – you’ll get told off by ‘the cricketers’ who are apparently ‘in charge’ of any discussion on here”

    Damn right Judith. Now bugger off back into the kitchen and knock up something to eat for the lads.

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  227. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (11,881 comments) says:
    December 11th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Is that one or two teaspoons of laxative in your coffee dear?

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  228. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    20 Phenergan should do it Judith. :)

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  229. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    It should be at least clear to Judith Collins now that there is raving lunatic who managed to get The New Zealand Herald, Trade Me and Fairfax Media sued for talking crap about the Bain case. Of course it is all Judith’s fault because she didn’t let the dingbat ‘peer’ review the Binnie report.

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  230. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Sofia:

    Inquiries indicate there is nothing spectacularly ‘undue’ with rates on
    86A School Road, Kingsland, Auckland, 1021
    Assessment Number 00000674648

    I would not worry about Penny’s rates until she provides a written demand addressed to her from the Auckland City Council to authenticate her claims.

    I’m intrigued.

    Penny Bright has repeatedly claimed – on Kiwiblog and elsewhere – that she refuses to pay her rates. Are you saying that her claim is, to put it in neutral terms, incorrect?

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  231. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    She’s always refused to supply my barbed wire!

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  232. nasska (9,502 comments) says:

    The standard of fencing in the Wairarapa has never been the same since Waterwoman left us for Auckland JB. :)

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  233. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Big Bruv:

    I still think that three quicks is plenty

    I’m not sure I agree with this.

    In the modern form of the game cricketers have a busy match schedule, and in each match the pace bowlers have a heavy workload.

    Just to take one example, Australia play England in Perth on Friday. Last year Peter Siddle was a non-starter, because he over-bowled in Adelaide. Because injuries are a particular issue for pace bowlers, I think there should be at least four in the team so they can share the load over five days (unless the pitch is clearly suited to spin-bowling).

    The rule of thumb, as I understand it, is that a workload of 50 overs or more in a test match puts a pace bowler in the red zone (at risk of injury).

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  234. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    I trust the Ekatahuna District Council is pursuing her through the highest courts in the land for any outstanding rates monies nasska. :)

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  235. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    I always have trouble with Murri spelling eh bro! :)

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  236. nasska (9,502 comments) says:

    She’s been gone a fair while JB. Rogernomics performed some well overdue miracles, one of which was to close down various industries that pretended to manufacture household goods.

    One of them employed Waterwoman until she was made redundant & moved to join her fellow nutters in Auckland. :)

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  237. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Just gave you one minus back Ronald. Just to keep my aim in eh!

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  238. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    That wasn’t the washing machine factory was it nasska? So that’s how she became obsessed with water! :)

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  239. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Used to help make paint for Cunninghams in a previous life.

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  240. nasska (9,502 comments) says:

    That’s the one JB. It operated under a succession of names, the last of which from memory was Master Industries. Waterwoman was a welder there….even made of few column centimetres in the local rag about her welding skill.

    To be fair…..from what I DO remember of the crap quality of the rubbish they produced the welds were about the only things that did last. :)

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  241. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Our Taubmans paint used to fall off after a short time! :)

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  242. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Somehow Penny reminds me of some of those photo’s of welders you used to see getting the Order of Lenin at the Omsk tractor factory. :)

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  243. nasska (9,502 comments) says:

    Comrade Bright saves the glorious potato harvest? :)

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  244. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    Nostradamus – Penny Bright rates claims

    Yes, most likely incorrect
    But she can simply set the matter right by placing an Auckland City Council rates demand, [as she says, 2008 accrued up to the present installment of 2013/14: $2,197.63, plus all the penalties in between] in her name, requiring her personal payment, on any of her websites and a link posted here.
    Simple.

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  245. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Nothing worse than a revisionist, backsliding class traitor who tells porkies to the rest of the proletariat in an endeavour to increase her standing in the party! :)

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  246. Nostradamus (2,766 comments) says:

    Sofia:

    [Penny Bright] can simply set the matter right by placing an Auckland City Council rates demand, [as she says, 2008 accrued up to the present installment of 2013/14: $2,197.63, plus all the penalties in between] in her name, requiring her personal payment, on any of her websites and a link posted here.

    Penny has put up scanned copies of her qualifications and work reference letters on at least one website, so I’m sure she’ll add this to her website project :)

    Johnboy:

    Nothing worse than a revisionist, backsliding class traitor who tells porkies to the rest of the proletariat in an endeavour to increase her standing in the party!

    That presupposes, of course, that the “class traitor” had any standing in the first place :)

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  247. muggins (2,901 comments) says:

    I see our number one bullshit artist is going on about people being sued by Joe Karam.
    What he doesn’t seem to understand is that Karam sued them because of what was written about him, not the Bain murders.
    Only David Bain can sue about what has been written about him.
    Also, Mr Bullshit Artist was bloody lucky he wasn’t had up for contempt of court, taking notes when the judge had expressly forbidden note-taking.
    As for Binnie’s report, well he can forget about that. Binnie was obviously not up to the task, just a pity it cost us $450000 to find that out.

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  248. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Judith, sorry to bore you.
    Big Bruv and Longknives; What about Ewen Chatfield.
    Greg Larsen was the greatest 50 over bowler. He was the mother in law bowler as he did not do you any damage, but he bored the shit out of batsmen and they were forced to play unwise shots then got out.

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  249. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Clearly the Bain case has now been solved thanks to the ‘expert’ detective Muggins, clearly it wasn’t David or Robin, it was actually the goat.

    Muggins you are actually quite funny sometimes but anyone with any understanding of the case and basic common-sense can easily pick out your lies. In-fact probably a school pupil probably could, as they are just that blindingly obvious.

    Its very funny to see you refer to people as ‘not up to the task’ or ‘out of their depth’ or ‘anyone with any degree of common-sense’.
    No doubt you see it as your duty to preach this to the country to convert them to change their beliefs. Similarly Hitler, Stalin and Mao probably thought they were all doing their duty as well.
    Do everyone a favour and f.. of you POS!

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  250. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Usually our TAB is timid but they have N.Z. at $1.55 which is exactly what Betfair have them at.
    That could be a good bet for the locals.
    Our TAB seems to have less faith in our cricket team than do the informed punters of England. That is, taking into account that Betfair bet to just 101% whereas the TAB set their book at nearly 111%.

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  251. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Moron. (You know who you are.) Nice of you to drop by and give everyone a laugh.

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  252. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    How nice to see Denny the f..wit to,
    get a life you lowlife piece of scum!

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  253. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Vanity above all: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/11/obama-creates-international-incident-with-selfie-at-mandela-service/

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  254. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    We need more of these peaceful Muslims, don’t we? http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8769850/pakistan-mob-kills-one-over-koran-pages

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  255. nasska (9,502 comments) says:

    ….”For the last five days Martha has cried every time she saw a picture of Nelson Mandela. “…..

    For God’s sake hurry up & bury the bugger before we have to read more of this mawkish crap.

    Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9506737/Long-lines-as-public-gets-Mandela-closure

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  256. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    Nice for the car saleswoman to once again reveal she has no idea what she is talking about, The comments Karam successfully sued for went right to the heart of the Bain case, Karam’s integrity in his commitment to proving David’s innocence. When I say successfully sued, the hearing didn’t go ahead with either The Herald, Trade Me or Fairfax because those parties settled with Karam and made public apologies for the ravings of some nutters, one in particular who ‘brought a 2nd hand computer’ and costs hundreds of 1000s of dollars because of her idiocy and incessant lies. The same person rejected by the High Court as a ‘expert’ witness, rejected by Judith Collins as a ‘peer’ of an international Jurist. The only hearing which proceeded resulted in one of the respondents fleeing, and the other admitted that his defence of ‘truth’ was false, as was his defence of ‘honest opinion’ he did however admit lying. So false, dishonest and a liar – just like his rejected ‘expert.’

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