General Debate 15 December 2013

December 15th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. flipper (3,273 comments) says:

    Good morning ….

    With no “news” of consequence in the electronic media this morning, I went browsing and found this little gem. It should be attached to all climate change gobbledegook emanating from self-serving academia, bureaucracy and red melon politicians. Enjoy!
    ***
    “Safety Warning: This information may be misinterpreted. It is weather, not climate and it’s 95% likely a climate scientist predicted this would happen due to global warming, within non-standard variant deviations of undefined uncertainties.”
    ***

    En passant, it is reported this morning that Egypt is suffering the ravages of “global climate change”, with snow being recorded in Cairo for the first time since 1953, or 112 years, depending upon whom one believes.

    So, may the season continue to be kind to you :-)

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  2. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Why does Labour continue to tell blatant lies?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/correcting-labour-porkie.html

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  3. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    New Zealand is on the brink of the biggest construction boom in 40 years, fuelled by demand for housing in Auckland and the rebuild in Canterbury, a new report says.

    Other busy regions will be Waikato, Bay of Plenty and Wellington, the National Construction Pipeline report says.

    It points to an unprecedented level of building over the next five years and at least 10 per cent yearly growth for four years, peaking in 2016, when nearly $32 billion of construction activity is predicted.

    The report is a joint effort of industry and government, pulling together forecasts for 2013 to 2018 from the public and private sectors.

    The report was commissioned by the Building and Construction Productivity Partnership, a joint industry and government body set up in 2011 to address the barriers to productivity in New Zealand’s building industry.

    The result of lobbying
    Benefit to the construction industry and associated services.
    Money earned off shore
    Rides on the back of a political concensus supported by National, Labour and the Greens Anti-immigration Feeling Has No Place In The Green Party Says Mr Locke

    Increases house prices.
    Infrastructure spending increases (business investment starved due to need to borrow).
    Reduction in quality of life (but not for upper level beneficiaries).
    Not sustainable (a sugar rush).

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  4. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Around the time of the referendum, I received a card addressed to me from something called the Labour Party. Very convincing literature to oppose asset sales. If only everything in life could be summed up using newspaper headline sized arguments. We’d all be better off.

    It was a nice try on their part. One small problem – the card arrived about the day of the deadline and even I, a lifelong procrastinator, had ticked a box and sent it off by that time.

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  5. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    P.G. to investigate its terrible consequences on NZ’s culture of rape: http://www.wdam.com/story/24214346/teen-addiction-to-pornography-a-growing-problem

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  6. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    Time for a Christmassy song from the ‘Peoples Soprano’ (no actual Christian content).
    An amazing voice – my current favourite (indy) songstress, Rebecca Newman.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6PxnCP3X3s

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  7. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    hj,

    Are you nine years old?

    Ten, at most.

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  8. Paulus (2,298 comments) says:

    On National Radio yesterday I heard that Goff is prepared to commit perjury, as like it will ever happen, to defend the fact that he “says” he does not know which member of his staff, on secondment to SSC, and MFAT, stole and copied cabinet papers.
    This person’s name is well known in Wellington political circles.
    Sadly the Fairfax paper is in full support – desperate for circulation.
    Looking forward to hear the name of this thief via an overseas website soon.
    But that will probably earn a promotion to a Labour list seat next year.
    What a sad indictment of a senior political, one time Labour leader and former Cabinet Minister.
    I even respected him once, despite his politics.
    Like Lying Brown what is it that gives these people the right to be above normal standards of morals and integrity.
    Mr Goff – I hope your Hail Mary’s are heard in your next confession, but after the absolution you can do it all again.
    Hypocrite.

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  9. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Dear Householder

    My name is Kirsty. I have not been able to speak with you personally but I have some important information that I wanted to share with you.

    Have you ever wondered, How do you view the Bible ? Some people think that it is just a book of human wisdom. Others feel it is a book of myths and legends. Also there are people who say that the Bible is the word of God.

    What does the Bible teach about this subject ? At 2 Timothy 3:16 we read, “All scripture is inspired of God.”

    Can we really believe what the Bible says ? What can it mean for you ?

    Please read the enclosed tract to find the answers

    Yours sincerely

    Kirsty

    Hand written. These idiots have waaaaaaay too much time on their hands.

    It reads ‘no circulars’ you fucking arseholes !! And two young brown boys dressed up for no reason were at my local shops trying to sign up heathens for heaven. *sigh* Fuck off !!

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  10. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    I reckon the Greenie Gareth Morgan, aka The Cat-hater Oracle, should spend at least ten million on this team:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/phoenix/9518908/Phoenix-still-without-a-win-after-loss-to-Brisbane

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  11. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    Best headline of the week

    Santa Claus is not real, vicar claims to audience of primary school children

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10513229/Santa-is-not-real-vicar-tells-primary-school-children.html

    You can see how children could get confused about which magic pixies are real and which ones aren’t.

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  12. holysheet (196 comments) says:

    Flipper says “Safety Warning: This information may be misinterpreted. It is weather, not climate and it’s 95% likely a climate scientist predicted this would happen due to global warming, within non-standard variant deviations of undefined uncertainties.”

    “En passant, it is reported this morning that Egypt is suffering the ravages of “global climate change”, with snow being recorded in Cairo for the first time since 1953, or 112 years, depending upon whom one believes.”

    It’s not climate science but simple science.

    The earth is like a giant fridge, it heats up and then it reaches a tipping point and then it cools. this kind of weather action is going to be more common from now on. The earth is fast approaching another ice age. well overdue by 12,000 years. When it does happen you will wake up one morning and see snow in all the unusual places like Darwin, southern California, Texas, in fact, all around the equator.

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  13. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,115 comments) says:
    December 15th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    hj,

    Are you nine years old?
    ……………………………..
    “While immigration played a key role in house inflation in the three years after 2001 (Reserve
    Bank 2007), it is unknown to what extent on-going immigration continued to drive price rises.
    The housing boom has meant good profits for many New Zealand companies supplying
    materials and building services, but it implies investors would rather invest in their country’s
    homes rather than its businesses (Bollard 2005). The high returns for property has attracted
    finance and reduced the capital available for productive investment (Moody, 2006). The
    consequence is investment is going in to industries with limited capacity to increase per capita
    incomes. For example, real estate and building are domestically bound and do not have the
    market potential of export industries. They also have less opportunity to increase productivity
    through new processes and products. The irony is, as these sectors grow, they have incurred
    skills shortages which in turn has increased demand for skilled immigrants. The Department
    of Statistics ‘Long Term Skill Shortage List’ of 28/3/2006 includes carpenter/joiner, plumber,
    electricians, fitter and turners, fitter welders; all indicative of a nation building its
    construction/property sector.

    There is a danger that a sector of the economy is being augmented that is totally reliant on a
    small domestic economy. Not only do these industries have limited potential for per-capita
    growth but ‘deriving growth via factor inputs such as labour places pressure on infrastructure
    such as transport and land supply, and ultimately have a further negative impact on growth
    (ARC 2005). Finally, as the sector gets larger, it gains in lobbying/political strength and can
    lobby for immigration regardless if it is the best interests of the economy as a whole.
    This
    could be seen in Canada where the development industry has lobbied hard for high sustained
    immigration levels (Ley and Tutchener 2001). ”

    Growing Pains.
    Dr Greg Clydesdale.

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  14. holysheet (196 comments) says:

    All we need now is a santa claus to come out and say “god is not real”

    Then they would both be right!

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  15. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    I wonder how much Len has fucked his wife since being found out ? How does that go these days ?

    Did he ever do them on the same day occasionally…. just for a laugh ? Switch holes like a golf course.

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  16. flipper (3,273 comments) says:

    holysheet (137 comments) says:

    December 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
    *****

    Go away – preferably back to where brains are distributed, you JCL….or … are you Griff operating under a new pseudonym

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  17. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    hj,

    You haven’t actually made a point. You just posted an extract from an old paper someone wrote years ago about Pacific immigration.

    If you wish to make an economic case around immigration then please do so. But remember it must encompass all the literature, and there is plenty showing how beneficial it is.

    On the other hand, if you wish to just continue posting carefully selected extracts from cherry-picked papers, then you should probably know that everyone recognises you for what you are; a sad, frustrated, ignorant bigot.

    So, knock yourself out.

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  18. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    L,R & C- Are you an Aucklander? Because trust me, it feels like Len fucks us all every day…

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  19. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Longknives – I live in NZ, not Asia. :)

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  20. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    I have made a point Watt. The point is that when the immigration tight scrum claims we need migrants due to “needed skills” it is a part-truth (essentially a lie) because immigration is creating it’s own demand.
    …………………
    If you wish to make an economic case around immigration then please do so. But remember it must encompass all the literature, and there is plenty showing how beneficial it is.
    ………
    Hardly a fomat supported here.

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  21. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Longknives – I live in NZ, not the Star Wars bar.

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  22. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Longknives – I live in NZ – not on Noah’s Ark where you’ve got at least two of everything ;)

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  23. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    A true funny story about Sowry, Bolger, and New Zealand.
    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/living-in-nu-zulun-8/

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  24. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    The earth is fast approaching another ice age. well overdue by 12,000 years

    Oh rubbish. The last period of extensive glaciation ended around 15,000 years ago and is tentatively predicted to continue for up to 50,000 years.

    The last glacial period was the most recent glacial period within the current ice age, occurring in the Pleistocene epoch, which began about 110,000 years ago and ended about 15,000 years ago. The glacial advance reached its maximum extent about 18,000 BP.

    Since orbital variations are predictable, computer models that relate orbital variations to climate can predict future climate possibilities. Two caveats are necessary: that anthropogenic effects (global warming) are likely to exert a larger influence over the short term; and that the mechanism by which orbital forcing influences climate is not well understood. Work by Berger and Loutre suggests that the current warm climate may last another 50,000 years.

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  25. Nukuleka (78 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre

    So much anger, so much vitriol, so much downright nastiness. Why is it that vicious anti- Christians are such sad people?

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  26. Tauhei Notts (1,511 comments) says:

    All this carry on about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade staff breaching the confidences placed in them has got me thinking.
    I seem to recall Robert D. Muldoon in one of his books, possibly The Diary of a Young Turk, commenting upon the supreme confidence he had in the public service. Although they disagreed with some of his actions they never ever betrayed the confidences placed in them.
    The politicisation of the public service, towards the parties of the Left, over the past forty years is exceedingly worrying. This is a very virulent and nasty trend.

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  27. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    edit: should have said: and the current interglacial period is tentatively predicted to….etc

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  28. Sofia (784 comments) says:

    Brown has apologised for misleading Aucklanders. He said he had wrongly claimed he paid for all the hotel trysts with Chuang out of his own pocket, putting it down to “not having full power of recollection”.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11172728

    “not having full power of recollection” – fuck! not another one

    Nowhere in the EY Report does it say [correction welcome] what hotel use was between Brown and Chuang.
    A $100,000 eighteen-page report really tells next to nothing.

    Pants Down Brown gets to screw all Aucklanders

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  29. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Funny on A jazeera.
    An Arab is hunting down the agencies behind Australia’s camel cull.

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  30. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    hj

    The Best line in that “documentary” was the sheila cattle station owner telling the raghead that he “was not entitled to an opinion that she had to pay for”.

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  31. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Nukuleka – oh yea of 36 comments – what the fuck do you know about anyone on here loser ?

    I reckon sad people are those who believe in fairytales and skydaddy nonsense. Let me guess – you’re one of them ?

    Anti – religious nonsense muppet. All of them – not just your treasured special fucking brand fuckwit.

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  32. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (329 comments) says:

    John Key says the Government is focused on reopening the Pike River mine, and making sure a similar disaster never happens again.
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/675135520-govt-focused-on-reopening-pike-river

    Really?

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  33. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    There was an important study released by the Post Carbon Institute last week that gives us an insight into how long our great shale oil bonanza —or more likely, bubble— is going to last. As you might suspect, the thrust of the new report is bad news so we are unlikely to ever read much about it in the mainstream media, which continues to tell us about the bright energy-rich future ahead.
    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-12-13/california-s-bubble-pops

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  34. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Taiwan Immigrant : Beware, Saskatchewan, Of Immigrant Speculators
    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2013/11/23/taiwan-immigrant-beware-saskatchewan-immigrant-speculators

    It couldn’t happen in Aotearoa/NZ :roll:

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  35. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    nuku

    Don’t bother with LR&C , a resident loon.

    She’s missing one of the other resident rabid anti Christians …..the troll kea.

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  36. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    a resident loon.

    That’s anyone who’s non-religious, right kowtow?

    The JWs are particularly irksome. (1) they’re fucking weirdos (2) fruitlessly trying to recruit all the time (3) why do islanders like them so much ?

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  37. Don the Kiwi (1,338 comments) says:

    Paulus.
    8.29 am.

    Don’t sweat on Goff saying his Hail Marys or going to confession. He abandoned his Catholic Faith many years ago – sold out to the Liabore party.

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  38. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Send these savages to the dirty places where they came from:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523658/Muslim-campaigners-protest-sale-alcohol-popular-East-London-area.html

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  39. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Manolo- It astounds me that the Brits do nothing about these characters. ‘Sharia Law’ in London?? (What used to be one of the World’s great cities) It’s looking more and more likely as these extremists are pandered to by authorities….

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  40. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    The savages in the “protest” belong to the 8th century. They are plain barbarians living in London.
    The joys of multiculturalism, no doubt, and proof that the vileness of Islam is limitless.

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  41. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Brick Lane was a great place for a curry and a few beers.
    I’d imagine a heck of a lot of people will avoid it now- Not worth risking getting your head sawn off by some bonkers fundamentalist Muslim….

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  42. Sofia (784 comments) says:

    China is notably not a participating country in the TPP.

    … then Chinese goods will go from the cheapest to the most expensive. Their entire economy is based on exports. Their entire economy is at risk.
    The provisions deliberately exclude China. For example, yarn for clothing must come from member countries, and not from China.
    This could potentially invite retaliation from China, an economic superpower in their own right.

    Watch the Warehouse implode …

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  43. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    @ Kowtow

    I can see both sides having read Arabian Sands by Sir Edward Thesiger. A great book.

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  44. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Obama’s birth certificate – it’s not over yet.
    Investigators claim their search has led to something, ‘More Nefarious Than You Can Imagine’, and a ‘Universe-Shattering’ Twist.

    The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obama’s birth certificate says the case has taken a startling turn, and sheriff’s investigators now are assisting the Cold Case volunteers.

    “When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering,” Mike Zullo told WND. “This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.”

    Zullo explained that because it’s an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, he’s unable to reveal details at the moment.

    But the allegations, he said, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate, could be public as early as March.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/universe-shattering-twist-in-obama-birth-probe/#Cfbm82WJmq6xjKJE.99

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  45. Reid (15,586 comments) says:

    UK lefties in the 70′s gave govt support to a pedo group.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523526/How-Labour-Deputy-Harriet-Harman-shadow-minister-husband-Health-Secretary-Patricia-Hewitt-linked-group-lobbying-right-sex-children.html

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  46. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    hj,

    I have made a point Watt

    You made a very minor point, wrapped in a mountain of lies and disinformation which completely misrepresent the economics of immigration to this barely populated little country at the arse-end of the world.

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  47. eszett (2,271 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,247 comments) says:
    December 15th, 2013 at 11:31 am
    Obama’s birth certificate – it’s not over yet.
    Investigators claim their search has led to something, ‘More Nefarious Than You Can Imagine’, and a ‘Universe-Shattering’ Twist.

    Yes, I am sure the parallel BS-Universe that you and wingnutdaily inhabit will be “shattered”

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  48. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,247 comments) says:
    Fletch (5,247 comments) says:
    December 15th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Go on and admit it. The truth is that You and your fellow birthers just can’t stand the thought of a black family in the Whitehouse.
    The Birthers are also thoroughly dishonest ,always shifting the goal posts. Even if Obama was to produce an authenticated birth certificate ( which he has) you lot would still say ( and you have ) that it was faked.!

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  49. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    Scientists are arguing for the archaeological excavation of a shipwreck lying buried in sand in the Kaipara Harbour after a discovery that could rewrite the history of New Zealand’s early European settlement.

    Carbon dating of the vessel, completed last week, puts its construction as after Abel Tasman but before James Cook.

    The accepted history is Dutch explorer Tasman was the first European to reach New Zealand in 1642 and there was no-one else until Captain Cook’s voyage in 1769.

    A paper, accepted by the international Journal of Archaeological Science last week, dates the ship buried at Midge Bay, on the north head of the Kaipara Harbour, as being built in 1705, plus or minus nine years.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9519069/Mystery-300-year-old-shipwreck-could-rewrite-history

    The paper cited Cook’s journals, in which he documented accounts by local Maori of “earlier encounters with Europeans, with the ships having been wrecked and the survivors killed and eaten”. Hilliam believes the ship is older than the dates suggested by the journal paper and that it is a Portuguese ship, and all but one of the crew were killed and eaten.

    And there will be more if we could find them.

    N.B. the Spanish were in the Philippines about 300 years ago.

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  50. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Great story

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  51. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Go on and admit it. The truth is that You and your fellow birthers just can’t stand the thought of a black family in the Whitehouse.
    The Birthers are also thoroughly dishonest ,always shifting the goal posts. Even if Obama was to produce an authenticated birth certificate ( which he has) you lot would still say ( and you have ) that it was faked.!

    stephieboy, you are wrong.
    I don’t care about the color of anyone. When I was in primary school, my two best friends were Indian.
    I don’t like Obama because he is a progressive socialist, and a liar; in fact, the Politifact website just named his “if you like your insurance you can keep it”, the Lie Of The Year.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    If I was American I’d definitely vote for African-Americans like Allen West or Elbert Guillory; people of morals and substance (at least more than Obama anyway).

    And NO Obama hasn’t proved anything with the so-called birth certificate he produced. He’s never produced an actual, physical copy. All we have is the cobbled together PDF thing from the Whitehouse website. I downloaded it myself when it was released and (like many others) opened it in Adobe Illustrator. It has many layers of text and writing that you can turn on or off or move around.

    Look at the link I gave above. The very firm that Obama used to defend himself in the certificate thing, Perkins Coie, has an expert who says the certificate provided by Obama is most likely fake.

    More recently, Grace Vuoto of the World Tribune reported that among the experts challenging the birth certificate is certified document analyst Reed Hayes, who has served as an expert for Perkins Coie, the law firm that has been defending Obama in eligibility cases.

    “We have obtained an affidavit from a certified document analyzer, Reed Hayes, that states the document is a 100 percent forgery, no doubt about it,” Zullo told the World Tribune.

    “Mr. Obama’s operatives cannot discredit [Hayes],” the investigator told the news outlet. “Mr. Hayes has been used as the firm’s reliable expert. The very firm the president is using to defend him on the birth certificate case has used Mr. Hayes in their cases.”

    The Tribune reported Hayes agreed to take a look at the documentation and called almost immediately.

    “There is something wrong with this,” Hayes said.

    Hayes produced a 40-page report in which he says “based on my observations and findings, it is clear that the Certificate of Live Birth I examined is not a scan of an original paper birth certificate, but a digitally manufactured document created by utilizing material from various sources.”

    “In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types, I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion, the birth certificate is entirely fabricated,” he says in the report.

    But you believe Obama why? Because he says so? You believe the word of a proven liar?

    And when does a “conspiracy theory” become a real conspiracy? Are all conspiracy theories fake? Some must be true, based on evidence. But no, liberals needed to invent a term (“birther”) to smear and discredit people who only want the truth. That’s the liberal Saul Alinsky way. And that’s the Chicago way.

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  52. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    ‘With no “news” of consequence in the electronic media this morning’

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    ‘But the allegations, he said, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate, could be public as early as March. ‘

    Obama has forbidden the media to write any more on the issue

    He has also suppressed a nation wide revolt by sheriifs y invoking state troopers against them if they continue.

    I was talking to an American today who has left the US. he says the whole place has become a police state.

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    stephieboy

    I have lost the thread where you supplied links on 9/11.

    Is it possible to supply them again. I am very curious.

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  55. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Watt Says:

    You made a very minor point, wrapped in a mountain of lies and disinformation which completely misrepresent the economics of immigration to this barely populated little country at the arse-end of the world.
    ………………………..
    It is populated with farm animals and crops (in case you haven’t noticed). We earn a living off the land and the towns and cities serve the countryside.
    There are other niche industries but the notion of “unpopulated” is a non-sequitor.
    People bull-shit about an economy based on connections and ideas but when you boil it down they are probably in real estate. :wink:

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  56. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Obama will be the last black president for 50-100 years because he has made such a mess of things.

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  57. RightNow (6,348 comments) says:

    The big green scam, cui bono?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523726/Web-green-politicians-tycoons-power-brokers-help-benefit-billions-raised-bills.html

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  58. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Sharia in London.

    It’s one thing for the Musselman to march,protest and demand……one can safely ignore them ,and once upon atime you could have told them to fuck off <but now you'd be arrested for racially aggravated public order or some such…….

    but the shocking thing is that British Universities were prepared to give in to the Muslim agenda.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/10516581/Universities-pull-back-from-sex-segregation-as-Cameron-weighs-in.html

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    ‘Obama will be the last black president for 50-100 years because he has made such a mess of things.’

    Probably be looking at a crop of gay leaders in Western parliaments et al.

    Except for Russia and Oz of course.

    I’m not pro gay agenda but I am surprised by the close mindedness in Oz.

    Probably reinforces how rascist Oz is as well.

    I wouldn’t want an openly gay PM but am happy we as Kiwi’s were open minded enough to have the first Tans sexual MP in the world.

    The thing with the gay agenda is they are very angry I can’t accept a gay PM cause they want the whole highway to themselves. And they’ll use hetero sympathy to get there.

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  60. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Australia might have a reputation for racism but I amazed at the tolerance of European Australians towards aborigines over the latter’s bed behaviour to the former. Re the homosexual agenda they are in for a major backlash if they start imposing that agenda on the heterosexual community.

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    Millions more for benefit heroes

    Extended family members who care for children who are not their own will get an extra $35 million in benefits, the Government will announce today.

    More than 12,400 kids in New Zealand are cared for by relatives, often grandparents, when their parents are either incapable or unwilling to raise them, often due to drug use, violence, neglect and mental health issues.

    Around 8500 foster parents already receive an unsupported child benefit, with the Government paying out about $111.5m between July 2011 and July 2012. But many say the money is not enough.

    Social Development Minister Paula Bennett said today’s funding package would include a one-off establishment grant of $350 when a carer takes a child into their home. It would also include a “start-of-year payment” that will range between $400 for kids under five and $550 for children over 14 to relieve caregivers having to buy school uniforms and pay fees

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9519037/Millions-more-for-benefit-heroes

    Isn’t this the kind of socialism Kiwibloggers bemoan every day of the week.

    I for one am surprised but not completely as an election is coming up

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  62. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    Is this acceptable? It’s sad we even have to ask…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/pizza-place-bans-church-people/

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  63. wikiriwhis business (3,296 comments) says:

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/pizza-place-bans-church-people/

    Hells Pizza ??

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  64. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    I see so Fletch claims he is a Birthe because Obama is a Progressive and Socialist etc. But I bet Birthers would not query say Bill and Hilary Clinton’s domicile of birth another two so called ” progressives and socialists”!
    But here is the real mccoy about the Obama’s Birth Certificate and the highly misleading .,spurious and fatuous claims by Birthers,

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

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  65. nasska (9,542 comments) says:

    iMP

    They probably got the idea from this mob.

    Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy

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  66. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Try a thought exercise:

    Imagine there was an African tribe that had a long history in a land, had turned that land into a nation, brought it into modernity and created its democracy, and had reason to believe that sharing power would lead to its own persecution. Would it surprise anyone if they took measures to ensure their safety, cultural integrity, and hold on power?

    But we don’t have to theorize. There’s no shortage of African countries where one tribe dominated government — such as with the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda — and tribes have often spilled blood vying for power. One difference, though, is that the dominant group usually doesn’t rule democratically but autocratically; another is that they’re generally far more brutal than SA’s apartheid government. And there’s a third difference: whatever the persecutions, oh-so humanitarian Western moderns generally pay these countries little mind.

    So it’s hard to escape the conclusion that the real problem the West had with SA was that the ruling tribe happened to be the wrong color.

    It should be added, however, that SA whites did do one thing no other group has. Is there any other instance in history in which a small minority built a country, had a long history within it, brought it into modernity and created its democracy, and then handed that democracy’s reins to a much larger group, even though reason informed that this would bring persecution? Call it magnanimity, call it stupidity, call it both, but it’s one thing for sure: strikingly unprecedented.

    Whatever you call it, SA whites had a lot of help in crafting their suicide pact from a hypocritical Western world that saw a government more benevolent than most others on its continent, but nonetheless placed an undue onus on it because the rulers were the wrong race. SA was the George Zimmerman of the geopolitical stage: the white-on-black incident that got all the press while rampant black-on-black crime was ignored.

    In truth, many of SA’s current troubles could have been avoided by a two-state solution, the kind of healthy “apartness” the West so easily saw the logic in upon the former Yugoslavia’s dissolution. And now, even though the West’s ending apartheid has led to impending genocide, it sees nothing.

    To the modern liberal, white is the new invisible.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/the_road_to_genocide_is_paved_with_liberal_intentions.html#ixzz2nVwCUb4C

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  67. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Disclaimer: Read this personal comment at your own risk….

    Is anyone else waiting excitedly to piss out / respirate / burn off 200mls to sneak under their ‘fuck yeah’ weight or is it just me ?

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  68. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Tired after ruining the country: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/13/obama-and-family-holiday-hawaii-again/

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  69. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Oh dear…

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21591624-republicans-should-worry-unmarried-women-shun-them-marriage-gap?

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  70. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    cha, I see your link, and raise you –

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/02/republicans-have-more-orgasms-according-to-match-com-sex-survey.html

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  71. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    stephieboy,

    1. The Clinton’s history is open for people to see. Obama has spent $1 million dollars hiding – the marriage license of his father (Barack Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham), name change records (Barry Soetero to Barack Hussein Obama), adoption records, records of his and his mother’s repatriation as U.S. citizens from Indonesia, baptism records, Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) records, Punahou School financial aid or school records, Occidental College financial aid records, Harvard Law School records, Columbia senior thesis, Columbia College records, record with Illinois State Bar Association, files from his terms as an Illinois state senator, his law client list, medical records and passport records.

    What does he have to hide? No other president has done this.

    2. The Clinton’s started the “birther” movement during Hillay’s run in the Primaries when she was running against Obama. The Right didn’t start it. That makes Clinton a ‘birther’.

    3. snopes.com is biased toward the liberal side. I would take anything you read there with a grain of sailt.

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  72. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Yup, that’ll win elections Fletch.

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  73. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    The evolutionary adaptations of preposterous ludicrous.

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  74. duggledog (1,116 comments) says:

    Harriet

    Your post @ 5.25; you utterly nailed it.

    I often ask people what they would do (in NZ) if millions upon millions of PNG natives (sorry PNG natives, no disrespect intended I’m sure you are all civilised and that) were suddenly to come down from the hills, set up camp on the outskirts of our cities, and sit there expectantly. They would do f*** all. Until their women started getting raped, their houses broken into and so on

    Apartheid was seen as brutal and horrible by us IN OUR COSY LITTLE COUNTRY.

    You’re right. It was a suicide pact. But -

    The Chinese will bring apartheid back in Africa. Give it a bit of time

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  75. Left Right and Centre (2,396 comments) says:

    Disclaimer: Read this personal comment at your own risk….

    Is anyone else waiting excitedly to piss out / respirate / burn off 200mls to sneak under their ‘fuck yeah’ weight or is it just me ?

    Got it. Fuck yeah.

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  76. SPC (4,670 comments) says:

    Fletch, the Hilary Clinton campaign raised the issue of whether the natural born citizen criteria involved having two American citizens as parents, as Obama had a father from Kenya Africa in the US as a student – it made no challenge to his status as someone born in the USA.

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  77. SPC (4,670 comments) says:

    The whole birther story is a joke, exploiting the fact that Hawaii does not release original birth certificates. The two parents were in Hawaii at the time attending university, they married because she was pregnant to give the child legitimacy – where else would he be born?

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  78. nasska (9,542 comments) says:

    For those of you wondering what it’s like to be married…

    I just found out this morning I’m on day 3 of an argument I didn’t know I was having.

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  79. SPC (4,670 comments) says:

    The parallel universe that spouses inhabit was covered in Fringe (a TV programme).

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  80. nasska (9,542 comments) says:

    I must have missed it SPC….I’ve been married over forty years yet when it comes to understanding women I’m still breaking new ground. :)

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  81. nasska (9,542 comments) says:

    Come to think of it, both my heading dogs are bitches & I can’t get through to them either. :)

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  82. SPC (4,670 comments) says:

    The Fringe storyline concludes with revelation that the highest form of evolution was a child empath of high intellect, a male who does not mature into an adult (thus avoiding having a spouse) and who says nothing (nothing can be twisted to mean something else), just reads the minds of others.

    Must be something to do with being like a child to get into the heavenly realm.

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  83. nasska (9,542 comments) says:

    It would probably help SPC…..I understand they’re very big on chastity & innocence North of the Pearly Gates. :)

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  84. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    Three men died on Christmas Eve and were met by Saint Peter at the pearly gates.

    ‘In honor of this holy season’ Saint Peter said, ‘You must each possess something that symbolizes Christmas to get into heaven.’

    The Englishman fumbled through his pockets and pulled out a lighter. He flicked it on. ‘It’s a candle’, he said.

    ‘You may pass through the pearly gates’ Saint Peter said.

    The Scotsman reached into his pocket and pulled out a set of keys. He shook them and said, ‘They’re bells.’

    Saint Peter said ‘You may pass through the pearly gates’.

    The Irishman started searching desperately through his pockets and finally pulled out a pair of women’s panties.

    St. Peter looked at the man with a raised eyebrow and asked, ‘And just what do those symbolize?’

    The paddy replied, ‘These are Carols.’

    And So The Christmas Season
    Begins……

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  85. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    Overheard at the recent Labour reunion.

    “Sometimes, I think I love my dog more than I love my husband.

    Then again, he slobbers all the time, he’s always hungry, and he won’t stop humping my leg even if I swat him with a newspaper.

    The dog doesn’t do that stuff.”

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  86. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    A couple is lying
    in bed. The man says,
    ‘I am going to make
    you the happiest woman in the world….’
    The woman replies,
    ‘I’ll miss you…….

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  87. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Yay for drone strikes.

    http://www.guns.com/2013/12/14/graphic-cctv-footage-militant-attack-yemeni-hospital-video/

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  88. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    A gay man decides to get a tattoo on his buttocks. On arrival at the tattooist he spots a picture of the heavyweight
    boxer Evander Holyfield. ‘Oh! He’s my favourite darling. Can you do him on the cheek of my ass?’ he asked the tattooist.

    So it was done. On the way out of the store he spots another picture on the wall, this time Mike Tyson.

    ‘Oh, good Lord!’ the queer exclaims, ‘I just adore Iron Mike! Can you do him on my other cheek?’

    So it was done. On returning home, his boyfriend says, ‘Well come on then, drop your trousers and give us a look.’

    So he quickly drops his pants and bares his arse. His boyfriend gasps and replies,

    “I think our relationship is over!
    I sure as hell ain’t getting in the ring with those two.”

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  89. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Thought for the day

    “Breaking the link between terrorism and religious ideology is difficult.”

    Eliza”Manningham-Buller Director General of MI5, the British internal Security Service, from October 2002 until retirement on 20 April 2007,

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  90. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Yet the majority of US terror plots turn out to have been manufactured by the very agencies tasked with defending the public.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/03/15/manufacturing-terrorists

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  91. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    The US has certainly generated a big reaction because of its awkward handling of the Middle East nevertheless even without the US interference problems still remain.

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  92. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    The whole birther story is a joke, exploiting the fact that Hawaii does not release original birth certificates.

    Then why produce an obvious fake for people to download and view from the Whitehouse website? If it can’t be viewed, just say so. Again, what does he have to hide? And I don’t buy that Hawaii can’t “release original birth certificates” – not even for the President?

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  93. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    What some are suggesting is that Obama received foreign aid – a scholarship, or scholarships – of some kind that enabled him to get into the exclusive Punahou School (it’s too exclusive for someone of Obama’s family to afford straight up). The emphasis being on foreign – meaning that he was a foreigner benefitting from this scholarship. Therefore, being a foreigner, he was not a U.S citizen.

    But of course, all those records have been sealed.

    Also, he may have got a grant to go study in Pakistan in the 1980s

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  94. SPC (4,670 comments) says:

    Fletch, a copy released and placed onto Adobe for download? The claim that it is a fake is refuted here.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

    His only claim to a foreign passport was as the son of a Kenyan and the adopted son of an Indonesian – the latter applied by the time he went to that school. But he was born an American an entitled to an American passport.

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