General Debate 19 December 2013

December 19th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster will not be amused!

    After the recent census, Statistics NZ have declared that Pastafarians who profess to be worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are “out of scope”.

    Ref: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/jedi-spaghetti-faiths-rejected-in-census-5782314

    Feel the persecution…..following the mythical deity of choice in NZ is tough going. :)

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  2. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    Bye Bye Len Brown within 24-48 hours…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/why-a-brown-resignation-is-only-days-away/

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  3. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Will Lenny get his DCM today?
    Will Penny (Hulse, not dim) allow the vote of no confidence?
    Will Lenny declare that he is not subject to a vote of no confidence?
    Will Penny (dim, not Hulse) make a spectacle of herself this morning?

    Gee, I love the silly season.

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  4. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    So will it be Williamson Vs Goof for Lens job?

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  5. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    Hulse is chairing the meeting.

    She will not allow a vote of No Confidence.

    The meeting will be rowdy finishing up with pious platitudes and Brown will say “Told you so”.

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  6. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    iMP, yes, for a long time I was convinced P D Brown was going to hang on for months to come, but after seeing that clip last night and seeing his uncertainty, I have to think a resignation is close at hand. Heckling him at every opportunity is the only way to force him out of the role and youse Aucklanders need to keep it up.

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  7. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Colville; no. Auckland Chamber of Commerce CEO Michael Barnett has announced that he will stand if Brown resigns.

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  8. Alan (921 comments) says:

    I can’t see Williamson running for mayor; he’s got a very cushy job as minister, he’d be a fool to walk away from that for a probable failed mayoral campaign.

    He’d probably have to battle an anti gay spoiling candidate from the right that would take 20k – 30k offsetting an urban liberal voters he’d pick up.

    The problem the right have is they have no credible candidate that can win here. Williamson can’t beat Goff, demographics just suck for him. The type of candidate that could win in pre supercity Auckland doesn’t have a chance in the new wider city.

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  9. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    I view the TV clip as a “bob each way”.

    He can jump which ever way the wind blows.

    Brown can count on two PI votes, but…?????

    Apart from two or three the rest are pussies who will tend first to their political survival. At that point dilly Penny brownbuster will enter on her broom stick and drive silly red Len from office. No?

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  10. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    More secret video has emerged of a second protest against Len Brown in Auckland…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/2nd-len-brown-protest-caught-on-camera/

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  11. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Paulus (2,094 comments) says:

    December 19th, 2013 at 8:19 am
    Hulse is chairing the meeting.

    She will not allow a vote of No Confidence.

    Can you, or anyone else explain how she can do that? Seems a bit anti-democratic to me.

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  12. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    Is it wrong to hope that Penny Bright puts in a good performance at the Town Hall this morning?
    I’m feeling a little dirty.

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  13. kowtow (6,723 comments) says:

    nasska ,aggressive atheist and Christian hater ,starts the day with what he pretends is a humorous post ,but the truth and intent is in his last sentence……..

    ‘Feel the persecution…..following the mythical deity of choice in New Zealand is tough going”

    Yet the likes of nasska complain bitterly that GD is hijacked by religion.
    Hypocrite.

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  14. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    In the general kerfuffle since the NZ Herald’s editorial about-turn on Len Brown yesterday, little attention has been paid to two matters that cause Brown most concern in the wake of his dishonest and dishonourable behaviour:

    1. The mysterious / concealed trip to Hong Kong last January in his official capacity as Mayor of Auckland – including who accompanied him, lack of any publicity or any report(s) to Council, and failure to declare related freebies as required by the code of conduct.

    2. A decision on Brown’s personal reimbursement of Council for the cost of the EY Report necessitated solely by his own “completely private” misdeeds.

    Lest we forget.

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  15. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    It wasn’t just Brown’s uncertainty that changed yesterday. Apart from the open call for a vote of no confidence from five councillors there were other notable changes.
    - Penny Hulse said she had no view on whether Brown should resign but also didn’t express any support.
    - John Key changed from previous “I;ll work with Brown” to “it’s up to Brown”.

    As far as Brown is concerned doing it not, just before everyone switches off for Christmas, is the least awkward timing for him to resign. And as soon as possible is the best timing for Auckland, and for New Zealand.

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  16. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Does Lusty Len live on a different planet? His claim the EY report “vindicated” him is delusional, to say the least.

    I hope I’m wrong but nothing appears to make Brown reconsider his absurd clinging to the job. He’s a shameless cheat.

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  17. jcuk (506 comments) says:

    If he resigns there will bbe nothinbg for the nutters to rave on about over Christmas.

    Hang in Len, if only for the nutters sakes

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  18. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    What would be NZ’s take on this?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/record-high-say-big-government-greatest-threat.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All

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  19. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Dear Mr Oil,

    I feel I need to write & put pen to paper to defend my good fried Mr Len Brown.

    I am not a ratepayer but I did vote for Mr Brown.

    To us in South Auckland, Mr Brown is like a modern day Robin Hood. He doesn’t discriminate against us for not being ratepayers. He know us… knows the difference between a coconut & a noodle. (I hope I don’t have to explain that to youse).

    It was Mr Brown who gave us free access to swimming pools. We used to sneak in when the attendant was on lunch break, but now we can walk in & smile at the attendant & not feel like criminals.

    Mr Brown is a hard worker & obviously enjoys his work. On many many nights I have seen him is his car being driven home very late with the biggest smile on his face.

    We used to get our berm mown. My neighbour Hone argues that it not actually Mr Brown who mowed my berm , but the Council workers … I still do know but what a bloody shambles & mess it is now that all you rich guys complained.

    Now regarding this affair business. Firstly, just quietly, this young chinese girl is a bit of a honey & obviously knows her business. I think , just like every red blooded guy, that youse are all jealous & wishing you could have a piece of the action too.

    Mr Brown is a family man with a lovely forgiving wife & kids.

    Name withheld (in case you decide to visit me ) but I can meet you on neutral ground.. say at the Otara market on a Sunday morning

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/support-len-brown/#more-120232

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  20. Yoza (1,353 comments) says:

    Manolo (11,656 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    What would be NZ’s take on this?

    It would reflect the US findings with more than 90% stating the Big business/Big Government nexus being the greatest threat to society.

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  21. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    I think the Whale has done it again…. The dirty little mayor

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/important-questions-councillors-need-ask/#more-120228

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  22. lilman (674 comments) says:

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!

    Len it seems,according to whaleoil, been a busy man,lots of trips to 14 Tawa drive North Harbour.

    Oh LEN HOW COULD YOU?

    If its true?

    ha ha ha ha ha ahaha a cough……..splutter…..cough

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  23. alwyn (359 comments) says:

    I wonder if it would be in the interests of the National Party for Brown to remain Mayor?
    He is pretty closely identified with the Labour Party after all and it would give National Party supporters to run an election year line of how we can expect a Labour Government to be just as morally derelict as Len is. Imagine trying to advocate for Labour when asked if they are all like Len?
    This might bite heavily into the Labour Party support in South Auckland. They might not vote National but there would be a good chance they woildn’t vote at all.
    Keep Len in office. Like Shearer he is a gift that keeps on giving.
    The actual candidates would of course have to keep well clear, just as Key is doing.

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  24. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    If it came down to Goff or Williamson, I’d’ probably vote for Goff which surprises me but even though he can be goof prone he would act professionally and put on a decent face for the city – and let the councillors do the work of councilling.

    I have this feeling that Williamson would just try and big note a bit much.

    Anyway we can’t have the worlds saddest man there for another two years 10 months.

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  25. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    and

    Why is no one running a story about the Hong Kong trip that was denied by his staff?
    Then admitted only after OIA applications made it impossible to deny – can someone please explain this

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  26. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Even Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post is asking questions: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1380474/auckland-mayor-still-has-lot-questions-answer-his-family-says-ex

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  27. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    I blame the Rainbow Branch of the Labour Party: :-)
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9533165/Phoenix-cry-foul-over-derogatory-poster-prank

    Wellington Phoenix posters doctored to read “homo games” instead of “home games” have been removed from the city’s bus fleet.

    Phoenix head of marketing Kyla Lange said someone had done a very good job of defacing the posters to the point that they looked like a spelling mistake.

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  28. Yoza (1,353 comments) says:

    How about scrapping the office of Mayor altogether, the council could elect a spokesperson on an issue by issue basis?

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  29. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    So, what can Hulse do to prevent this vote? some sort of procedural technicality?
    Serious question, not sniping.

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  30. lilman (674 comments) says:

    Mr Mayor can I have couple of minutes of your time?

    Of course you can ,but only 2,Im on a schedule.

    Your worship,are you going to resign?

    Of course not,Ive got vision,Im 24/7,Im the man with a plan!

    Have you ever been to 14 Tawa st?

    Of course not,there is no Tawa st in Hong Kong.

    So you admit to going to Hong Kong?

    Of course not,I meant the Takeaway Bar.

    So you admit to eating Chinese on a regular basis?

    Of course not,after all I have been known to eat at Home on occasion.

    So is this all smoke and mirrors?

    Of course it is,as you can see I dont smoke and Ive given up looking in mirrors for a few years now.

    Well thanks Mayor.

    Thats fine dear,now where did I put those tissues.
    Bevan? Bevan?,god now I understand what they ment by letting your fingers do the walking

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  31. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Liberals won’t be enjoying Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson’s forthrightness in an interview for GQ magazine.

    “Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine.”
    “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

    “It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

    http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

    True enough, that.

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  32. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    Laughing head off at those protesters at the town hall…. I think the most unpleasant thing for Brown would have to be confronted by 12 Winston supporters smelling of wee

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  33. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Plenty of candidates for the second coming.

    One in 200 mums ‘became pregnant without having sex’

    Nearly one per cent of young women who have become pregnant claim to have done so as virgins, an American study has found.

    Researchers interviewed 7,870 women aged 15 to 28 and found that more than 0.5 per cent of them who said they were virgins had also given birth – without the help of IVF.

    The women were part of the long-running National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, according to a report in the Christmas edition of the BMJ.

    While the women weren’t specifically asked about virgin births, the researchers used their replies to make a rough timeline of when the women started having sex and when they became pregnant.

    The average age at which ‘virgins’ reportedly gave birth was 19.3 years.

    Of the 45 women who became pregnant despite claiming to be virgins, 31 per cent said they had signed chastity pledges.

    Only 15 per cent of non-virgins said they had signed a the pledge – promising to not have sex before marriage.

    The 45 self-described virgins who reported having become pregnant (and the 36 who gave birth) were also more likely than non-virgins to say their parents never or rarely talked to them about sex and birth control.

    About 28 per cent of the ‘virgin’ mothers’ parents (who were also interviewed) indicated they didn’t have enough knowledge to discuss sex and contraception with their daughters, and were less likely to know how to use condoms.

    But there’s a shortage of mangers these days.

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  34. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    A lunatic called Lorraine writes at The sub-Standard:

    Leave Len alone. Let him get on with the business of being Mayor. He is a good Mayor. He hasn’t broken council rules, he may have broken some people’s moral rules but people everywhere have affairs. So what. That is an issue with his family. He was caught by a honey trap.

    This is a right wing conspiracy to get him out and has been all along.

    Astonishing, staggering, fucking incredible!

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  35. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….The 45 self-described virgins who reported having become pregnant (and the 36 who gave birth) were also more likely than non-virgins to say their parents never or rarely talked to them about sex and birth control.

    About 28 per cent of the ‘virgin’ mothers’ parents (who were also interviewed) indicated they didn’t have enough knowledge to discuss sex and contraception with their daughters, and were less likely to know how to use condoms…”

    Just like Colin Craig said in that link you posted Pete :

    “….Sex education in schools isn’t working and parents need to be educated and involved more in the sex education of their own children…”

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  36. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “LOSTPROPHETS singer Ian Watkins has been sentenced to a jail term of 29 years for a string of sexual offenses, including two of attempting to rape a baby. His two accomplices, whose identities have not been officially released to the public and are known simply as Woman A and Woman B, were jailed for 14 years and 16 years, respectively.”

    Now thats a prison sentence! enjoy, asshole

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  37. RichardX (292 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,197 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “….Sex education in schools isn’t working and parents need to be educated and involved more in the sex education of their own children…”

    Is there any evidence these people received sex education in school?

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  38. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Bob Jones had this in his Herald piece today – and the Herald has since removed it!

    “…..This sort of (always male) behaviour is a regular occurrence in the capital. In the 1980s when long-overdue reforms saw the closure of some isolated, scarcely used post offices, a Nelson region goose turned up in a park opposite my office, surrounded by the standard litter of signs, asserting he was starving to death in protest. I bowled across and nailed him with some impeccable logic. “Why starve to death?” I suggested. “Why not get it over with quickly and commit suicide?” So he did. One of my daughters working, or more accurately, attending in our office at the time was appalled. “Don’t you feel bad?” she asked me. “To the contrary,” I replied. “Anyone who values their life on the existence of a country post office plainly hasn’t got one. I did him a wonderful favour………..” :cool:

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  39. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Brown is losing significant support on the left.

    Selwyn Manning – Len Old Friend: This Is Why You Must Stand Down

    That’s longwinded, but the bottom line is that Brown took substantial risks “playing the game” and it’s turned sour. He no longer has the public support necessary to do his job.

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  40. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    The Black Widow is found guilty of murder

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9534466/Helen-Milner-guilty-of-murdering-husband

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  41. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    About time
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5331413/sun-yougov-poll-reveals-brits-want-halt-to-immigration-from-eu.html

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  42. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9534267/Len-Brown-jeered-at-meeting

    Akl council meeting sounds pretty rowdy!

    Will Masty be gone by lunchtime??

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  43. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….Is there any evidence these people received sex education in school…’

    Most kids do….but you would never think so going by all of the negative statistics.

    The schools ‘educate’ rather basicly “This is what sex is, this is what can happen.” The kids then think they have all of the ‘knowledge’ that they need and go do it…….. That can’t be denied.

    Parents need to be involved more so that children refrain from sex, as ‘fixing’ sexual ‘problems’ is a matter of morality and not medicine. e.g 13yld girls having abortions is a matter of morality not medicine. A 16yld boy having diseases because a 22yld male thought he would ‘help him’ with his ‘thoughts of homosexuality’ is also a matter of morality and not medicine.

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  44. stephieboy (1,157 comments) says:

    I just thought this Teen book might appeal for the Christmas stocking ,

    “Two boys kissing” by David Levithan and explores issues of gender identity and what it means to be gay as a teen.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17237214-two-boys-kissing?from_search=true

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  45. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    Well, this latest salacious titbit makes one wonder why Pants Down ever bothered actually putting any pants on. All his talk of leadership, whereas it appears that the only thing he ever lead with was his knob.

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  46. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    @stephieboy: Tell me, are you speaking from experience?

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  47. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,376 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am
    The Black Widow is found guilty of murder

    I’m picking a mandatory life sentence with a minimum of seven years served before being considered for parole. In other words, wet bus ticket territory.

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  48. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    dime – that’s a pretty hard read!

    Rockstar or not, anyone who wanted to rape my little boy would be getting a bat to the head, not my assistance…

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  49. stephieboy (1,157 comments) says:

    Ashley the minimum life sentence for murder is 10 years.Still not enough for many cases but the courts have wide discretion and in the worst cases can e.g with William Bell sentenced for a minimum of 30 years.

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  50. stephieboy (1,157 comments) says:

    Manolo (11,661 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    I actually had you,kowtow and other rabid rightwing nutters in mind.

    It’s a well known fact that those who are the most vehement in their attacks on homosexuals are themselves often closeted homos

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  51. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    stephieboy (191 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Ashley the minimum life sentence for murder is 10 years.Still not enough for many cases but the courts have wide discretion and in the worst cases can e.g with William Bell sentenced for a minimum of 30 years.

    I stand corrected. I am curious to see what she gets because I thought the defence did a half-decent job of sowing some seeds of doubt. If the minimum non-parole period is 10 years then I revise my pick to this.

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  52. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    On a different tack. Manufacturing up 19% since 2009, and 1.5% for the Quarter.

    Gotta love a “crisis”.

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  53. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    stephieboy (191 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 11:43 am
    I just thought this Teen book might appeal for the Christmas stocking ,

    “Two boys kissing” by David Levithan and explores issues of gender identity and what it means to be gay as a teen.

    It’s cheaper to just read Stuff Nation. :-)

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  54. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    Whats more, plant and machinery investment up 11% for the quarter and at its highest level since 1987.

    So, more than likely the manufacturing “crisis” is likely to get “even worse” – and by that, I mean significant manufacturing productivity improvements as labour gets replaced by more efficient capital investment

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  55. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    It’s a well known fact that those who are the most vehement in their attacks on homosexuals are themselves often closeted homos

    Evidence please. And American Beauty doesn’t count.

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  56. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    @stephieboy: Do not duck the question. Just answer it.

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  57. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Do not duck the question. Just answer it.

    :lol: LOL

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  58. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Respect Manhole’s authoritah!

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  59. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    Regarding Len’s visits to Tawa Ave, unless he’s a/ put it on the council card (no has he doesn’t have one), b/ tried to give a job reference (highly highly unlikely) this is now just pure smear & not really necessary. If he has visited Tawa Ave he’s done nothing illegal unless he got freebies there as well…
    If anything it’s slightly more honourable than having a 2yr affair.

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  60. Sidey (231 comments) says:

    stephieboy at 11:55 am

    It’s a well known fact that those who are the most vehement in their attacks on homosexuals are themselves often closeted homos

    If they’re closeted then by definition they’re not known, therefore can’t be counted in your “well known fact.”

    Sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

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  61. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    How dopey is Len? I mean, why traverse all the way up to Albany when he could have simply gotten a take out from Monicas…

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  62. Sidey (231 comments) says:

    Edhunter,

    Tend to agree, but what if he used a council provided/paid for for car/driver to drive him there, wait 2 minutes, then drive him back?

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  63. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Sidey – it’s the inevitably public fall from grace afterwards that un-masks them. George Alan Rekers would be the archetype of them ;-)

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  64. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Top 10 15 16 anti-gay activists caught being gay

    http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne?format=SLIDESHOW&page=1

    I wonder when Marcus Bachmann will join the list… :)

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  65. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Interesting video

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  66. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Excellent writing by Steyn:

    Not everyone at the Mandela jamboree was doing selfies with the Danish pastry. One reader passed along this photograph: No sign of Barack buddy David Cameron, but here are three of the Queen’s other prime ministers – Australia’s Tony Abbott, Canada’s Stephen Harper, New Zealand’s John Key – having a working lunch ahead of the memorial service.

    All three are conservatives, and, while there are many who’d like a bit more red meat with respect to this or that, every single one of them is well to the right of President Obama. Come to think of it, their respective leftie (Liberal/Labour) predecessors (Julia Gillard, Paul Martin, Helen Clark) were also to the right of President Obama. For a supposed “right of center” nation, it is striking how at odds with its allies America is.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366499/government-mere-mortals-mark-steyn#

    Compared to this: http://twitchy.com/2013/12/15/us-embassy-in-london-unveils-huge-tapestry-of-obama-gushes-over-his-warm-smile-pics/

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  67. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    the Labour lefties are defending Lenny B in spades on twitter .. Richard Worth did FAR less and was gone very quickly SO it seems that the right side of politics can now do whatever they like without the fear of being slammed by the lefties

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  68. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Richard Worth did FAR less

    Really, so you’ll be able to tell us what Worth did?.

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  69. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Top Secret Obama Training Video

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  70. Paul Marsden (935 comments) says:

    edhunter (292 comments) says:

    December 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Regarding Len’s visits to Tawa Ave, unless he’s a/ put it on the council card (no has he doesn’t have one), b/ tried to give a job reference (highly highly unlikely) this is now just pure smear & not really necessary. If he has visited Tawa Ave he’s done nothing illegal unless he got freebies there as well…
    If anything it’s slightly more honourable than having a 2yr affair.

    Vote: 2 1

    True, but he used a ratepayer funded vehicle and a ratepayer funded chaffeur to get there. What would your view be if say, he had a firm interest in Mustangs, Hamilton (for example) and used these rate payer funded perks to visit there? Geddit…??

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  71. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    ciaron at 12:42 pm

    It’s a well known fact that those who are the most vehement in their attacks on homosexuals are themselves often closeted homos

    Evidence please. And American Beauty doesn’t count.

    Redtweeter.

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  72. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    you’ll be able to tell us what Worth did?.

    … but just the R18 stuff please.

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  73. Alan (921 comments) says:

    reports that motion on censure was tied, implying 10 councillors would support no confidence over censure

    If true, there’s no way back from these numbers. Len will be gone within the hour.

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  74. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    From TVNZ’s website:
    Breaking News – Auckland councillors have rejected a motion of no-confidence in Mayor Len Brown

    More of the lubricious and dishonest Len for the next two years and ten months.

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  75. RightNow (6,348 comments) says:

    “Len will be gone within the hour.”

    He’ll cling to the pay and perks of the mayoralty and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming before he gives it up.

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  76. Tom Jackson (2,261 comments) says:

    Bob Jones had this in his Herald piece today – and the Herald has since removed it!

    You wonder how many people actually believed that he talked a guy into killing himself.

    You can’t tell obvious porkies these days without most people believing it, and you can’t tell the truth without them calling you a liar.

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  77. RightNow (6,348 comments) says:

    On the plus side, the rest of the country won’t be chipping in much for Auckland’s infrastructure for a while :)

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  78. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Ashley Schaeffer @ 12.36

    Agree much with your thoughts, I think she should get 10 years at least without parole but 7 is probably more likely. I don’t think there was to much doubt here, suicide just looked to unlikely in the circumstances.

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  79. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Judge: Facebook, banks must face lawsuit

    Facebook, Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg and dozens of banks must face a lawsuit accusing the social media company of misleading investors about its health before its US$16 billion initial public offering, a federal judge said.

    In a decision made public on Wednesday, US District Judge Robert Sweet in Manhattan said investors could pursue claims that Facebook should have prior to its May 2012 IPO disclosed internal projections on how increased mobile usage and product decisions might reduce future revenue.

    “The company’s purported risk warnings misleadingly represented that this revenue cut was merely possible when, in fact, it had already materialised,” Sweet wrote in his 83-page decision. “Plaintiffs have sufficiently pleaded material misrepresentation(s) that could have and did mislead investors regarding the company’s future and current revenues.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30008191/judge-facebook-banks-must-face-lawsuit

    Not to mention banks in NZ facing the courts.

    And you people still think I don’t know what I’m talking about.

    Bankers are conspiracy criminals.

    Found out about Libor rating scandal yet ??????

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  80. Alan (921 comments) says:

    The censure motion committing the council to working with Len passed 15 to 5 at second go.

    Shockingly Len survives

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  81. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/17/politics/india-us-diplomat/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    The arrest and detention of an Indian consular official in New York on visa fraud charges has created a diplomatic uproar, with punitive steps taken against State Department officials in New Delhi and questions being raised about what level of diplomatic immunity she was due.

    Devyani Khobragade, India’s deputy consul general for political, economic, commercial and women’s affairs, was arrested by agents from the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security on December 12 after she dropped her daughter off at school.

    Pending her appearance before a federal magistrate judge, the 39-year-old woman was transferred to the U.S. Marshals Service.

    Khobragade was held in a cell with other women and subjected to a strip search that included a cavity search; she posted bond and was released.

    The thing that is outrageous about this case is not that an Indian diplomat was subjected to a strip search and cavity search. The outrageous thing is that it is standard practice to strip search and cavity search people who are arrested, even for minor offences and who do not provide authorities any cause to suspect they are dangerous.

    It appears the Supreme Court has given the practice the green light which is pretty disgraceful. If you were to kidnap someone and do what the government does to people for as little as failing to pay a fine (although you had actually paid it) you would be sent away for many years. You would be regarded as an especially dangerous person who had violated an individual in an extremely personal and intimate manner. But for some reason the government can do it arbitrarily and because their intentions are supposedly good we can simply ignore the humiliation and harm inflicted on individuals.

    Whereas the constitution specifies that people should be free from unreasonable search and seizure the court decides that what this means is that because someone who commits a minor infraction could possibly be a really dangerous person (Timothy McVeigh was detained for driving without a license plate for instance) then we must assume the need for invasive searches in all cases. Of course why not take this logic one step further. Plenty of dangerous people have never been caught for any crime yet so why not just assume everyone is capable of being dangerous therefore anyone can be cavity searched anytime anywhere. You never know!

    The word “unreasonable” implies a balancing act between state interests and personal freedoms but increasingly these days there is a pervasive attitude that concern for “safety” permits the government to do whatever it wants no matter how remote the safety concern is and no matter how invasive the state action is: because after all “safety” does not include safety from government.

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  82. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘The Flying Spaghetti Monster will not be amused! ‘

    The FSM noodliness is on the FBI’s most wanted list highly suspected of Al Queda links

    considered highly bogus as never claimed authentic by Bob Marley or wailed for by any Wailer or whaler

    and next in line for scrutiny by Whale Oil who will announce shortly he has suspected the meaty one has

    had covert liasions with several Spaghetti rings and lapped their sauces according to the sources of Oil.

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  83. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Brown has barely survived. Despite the no-confidence motion being defeated the council has lost a lot of confidence in Brown. They can’t express it fully because they can’t follow up with any action.

    Friends and allies have lost confidence.
    The Government appears to have lost confidence.
    Brown seems to have also lost confidence.

    Confidence gone, Brown gone by Christmas?

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  84. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    cha .. google him .. here is what he is alleged to have done:
    “John Key had to act,” he said. Dr Worth had acted inappropriately by “inviting her to Wellington, inviting her to his office, having his staff accompany her to a function as the minister’s guest, meeting her after he delivered his speech and the minister escorting her to the room and staying the night [where the alleged incident took place].”

    bad bad man.

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  85. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Facebook went public at US$38 per share

    They sought damages resulting from their having sold or holding onto the shares as they fell below the IPO price, bottoming at US$17.55 on September 4, 2012.

    “Facebook shares were down 60 cents at US$54.26 in afternoon trading.

    Oh please. They make bad/unlucky financial decisions and they want someone else to blame. If they made a profit would they be complaining? Of course not. But they decided to sell or hold at the wrong time and made a loss so they want compensation. Do I get compensation if my lotto ticket doesn’t win?

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  86. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    So you’re all mouth no trousers – thought so.

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  87. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    So you’re all mouth no trousers

    Len?

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  88. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    Sorry to rehash Monday’s news, but somehow in the midst of denouncing Pete Gorge, we all forgot to do this

    http://boingboing.net/features/northkorea/?traitor=Gareth+Morgan

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  89. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Cheap beer goes off Hamilton’s menu

    Under tough new rules introduced yesterday, any bar advertising drinks for less than $6 will be handed a hefty fine and a strike. Three strikes and their licence is gone for five years.

    This is just one aspect of new liquor laws which have riled bar owners throughout Hamilton. They say the government is once again targeting the wrong people.

    Bar owner John Lawrenson said he was baffled that supermarkets and liquor stores had yet again come out of the legislation unscathed.

    He found it ridiculous that a supermarket could sell a bottle of beer at $1.50 while he couldn’t advertise prices below $6.

    “How is the Heineken that I serve in my bar getting someone any more drunk than the Heineken from the supermarket?

    “They sell them in packs of 12 and I’m selling them one at a time so how am I doing more harm?”

    His opinions were echoed by Altitude bar owner and Hamilton Liquor Accord chairman, Laurie Weake, who said authorities needed be proactive rather than reactive.

    The act of instantly fining drunks and the bar they are in was “putting the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff”‘, he said

    “They’re focusing on penalising pre-loaders rather than focusing on (off-licence) price which will stop the pre-loading,” he said.

    And the price gap between bars and supermarket looks set to widen.

    Punters could see the price of a pint rising above the $10 mark as bar owners try to recoup the cost of their licence fees – which have almost quadrupled.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9533200/Cheap-beer-goes-off-Hamiltons-menu

    There are two aspects of this situation that are hugely obvious to the enlightened.

    1) Revenuing. The roads aren’t collecting enough any more as drivers are too educated and wary of the police presence. This was natural with over zealous police revenuing for many years now.

    2) There is an obvious agenda against alcohol with sports people wearing anti alcohol slogans on uniforms. Alcohol sponsorship will go the way of tobacco sponsorship of sport very soon.

    Alcohol is slowly being wound down as we can suspect with mini bars being closed early in hotel rooms as a starting initiative by the system. The days of the public bar are numbered.

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  90. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    wiki – the facebook launch was a disgrace!

    the stock is doing quite well now. from memory it floated at 38.. dropped as low as 18, now sitting around $54.

    personally, i wouldnt own it though

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  91. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    cha .. are you on drugs .. what are you trying to suggest?

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  92. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘wiki – the facebook launch was a disgrace! ‘

    As with State asset sale’s here, the FB investment launch was a huge con that caused many small time investors to lose and only insider elites were privy to any substantial capital gain.

    Investors are now well aware of the strategy so Bill English has called off asset sale’s if National gets another term.

    The new bluff is the stock market and regaining confidence in bubbles that will burst when enough liquidity is enmassed
    from international share holders.

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  93. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    wiki – the facebook launch was a lot different to the shares sold in NZ. research what happened in the minutes leading up to the float. people got fucked

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  94. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    what are you trying to suggest?

    That you’re all mouth no trousers – a know nothing partisan arse licker from the provinces.

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  95. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    dime (7,955 comments) says:
    December 19th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    wiki – the facebook launch was a lot different to the shares sold in NZ. research what happened in the minutes leading up to the float. people got fucked

    The technical trading glitches seem a fair complaint. But aren’t earnings projections inherently speculative? Isn’t that the whole point in trading? You’re betting what might happen. Get it right you win, get it wrong you lose.

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  96. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘wiki – the facebook launch was a lot different to the shares sold in NZ.’

    The modus operandi was different but same result achieved.

    What FB abd National govt respectively promised for small shareholders never eventuated and never was going to.

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  97. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “But aren’t earnings projections inherently speculative? Isn’t that the whole point in trading? You’re betting what might happen. Get it right you win, get it wrong you lose.”

    yea but companies do give guidance. some are less optimistic than others. but what you said about fb sounds bad – essentially lying in the prospectus

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  98. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    the facebook launch was a disgrace!
    the stock is doing quite well now. from memory it floated at 38.. dropped as low as 18, now sitting around $54. personally, i wouldnt own it though

    A wise decision on your part, dime.

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  99. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘yea but companies do give guidance. some are less optimistic than others. but what you said about fb sounds bad – essentially lying in the prospectus’

    Lets hope that’s what the court finds out

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  100. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Seriously what the fuck is happening about this trip of Browns to HK in January this year that was not declared.? And who was the “unofficial interpreter” on this trip.?

    The council might not be able to do much about Brown, but surely they can do something about obstructive staff. This trip was denied as even occurring until WO submitted (Three?) OIA requests and then they had to admit it because he was seen walking off the plane in HK by another passenger FFS.

    What has the slimy wee shit got to hide here?. If Len can’t remember a trip to HK 11 months ago he is at the very least medically unfit to hold office.

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  101. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘this trip of Browns to HK in January this year ..’

    Methinks there will be many more overseas junkets for the rest of his term

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  102. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Te Rapa Shopping Centre for sale

    The Te Rapa Shopping Centre has been put on the market with vendor KCL Property asking for a minimum offer of $8 million.

    We feel it’s an opportune time in market for potential disposal. The Waikato market is starting to come back.”

    The property has a $5.8 million capital value according to Hamilton City Council’s rating valuation records.

    Its seven tenants return more than $640,000 a year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/business/9528716/Te-Rapa-Shopping-Centre-for-sale

    Dime

    This sounds pretty interesting investment.

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  103. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    “what are you trying to suggest?

    That you’re all mouth no trousers – a know nothing partisan arse licker from the provinces”.

    yep .. drugs
    and interesting you consider the Auckland Supercity the provinces but that’s what makes you special I guess.
    Anyway, life is far too short to waste time on you.

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  104. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Told Ya the Masturbating Mayor wasn’t going anywhere!!
    He will be sitting at his sticky little desk as we speak rubbing one out to celebrate getting away with it (again!)..

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  105. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Paul:

    RadioLIVE Newsroom ‏@LIVENewsDesk

    Auckland Mayor Len Brown is adamant there are no more skeletons in the closet after a stern telling-off by councillors today

    That’s despite this being raised at the meeting today:

    ‏@publicaddress

    Brewer wants “full and final disclosure” from Brown, inc “other girlfriends”.

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  106. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Badass!

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  107. Nostradamus (2,772 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    I don’t think Graeme Swannn has been listening to your sermons on rape culture…

    England’s Graeme Swann apologised for a “crass and offensive” comment on Thursday after he compared the third Ashes Test loss to Australia to being “raped”.

    The comment, made in a Facebook exchange with his brother and picked up by British newspapers, prompted outrage on social media and from rape charities.

    “Sorry to anyone who was offended by my comments in the papers today. Crass and thoughtless of me in the extreme,” the spin bowler said on his Twitter account.

    He had posted the Facebook comment in response to his brother, Alec, who said he had enjoyed a night out seeing a band in Northampton.

    “Rather have been there than being a— raped in Perth!” Swann replied, referring to England’s humiliating defeat that handed Australia an unbeatable 3-0 lead in the Ashes series.

    His message sparked condemnation from Yvonne Traynor, the chief executive of Rape Crisis in Britain.

    “We are appalled that Graeme Swann equates a cricket match with the devastatingly serious crime of rape,” she told British media.

    “It is the duty of people in the public eye to make sure that their own distorted views are kept to themselves and not shared with the general public.

    “These comments lack compassion and intelligence and he should apologise to anyone who has suffered from this heinous crime.”

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  108. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    So the butt groper gets to wear his crown a little longer.

    I expect there will be nothing but exemplary behaviour from his worship, and all transactions will be open and accounted for.

    The women of Auckland will be able to walk in front of the Mayor again….

    But then it is the season for fantasies -

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  109. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Back to the girdle & a chain mail thong Judith? :)

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  110. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    chain mail thong

    nasska

    It’s starting to look like he ought to be keeping it in a sling.

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  111. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    @PG
    Brewer and company’s move for a vote of no confidence was political gamesmanship, a request that was slightly ridiculous and always doomed for failure because it achieves nothing but stating a political position.
    The reports are in, apologies made, and censure enacted. The ball is now in Brown’s court and I predict that he will consider his position over the holiday period then return with a decision early in the New Year. That decision will be to resign, the controversy has taken a toll on his health and of course on his family and both of those are of a higher priority to him.

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  112. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    P.S. Michael Barnett would make an excellent mayor for Auckland. He is an experienced operator, knows the ropes, and could slot into the role relatively easily. Providing he has the time and energy he would do a fine job.

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  113. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    In some places resignation is alive and well: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8773789/tokyo-governor-resigns-over-money-scandal

    It’s a pity the dishonest Mayor or Auckland does not have an ounce of dignity in his corrupt body.

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  114. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “……….Bob Jones had this in his Herald piece today – and the Herald has since removed it!

    You wonder how many people actually believed that he talked a guy into killing himself.

    You can’t tell obvious porkies these days without most people believing it, and you can’t tell the truth without them calling you a liar…….”

    What the fuck makes you think I believe it?

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  115. lilman (674 comments) says:

    Heard some silly bitch on Larry Williams show tonight suggest Brown should stay “because who else could do the job”.

    Why do these commentators even get air let alone airtime.

    I could think of 500 people off the top of my head who could do the job better and within the rules.

    Silly bitch,imagine if he had another attack and was in a coma,(seriously hope that doesnt happen),would the city cease to function,would the government in Wellington evacuate the city because Len was they ONLY person who could do the job.

    Shiit some people a absolutely stupid.

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  116. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    @lilman: I believe she was the hack Maria Slade from the Fairfax stables.

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  117. lilman (674 comments) says:

    Cheers,lol I seriously thought someone would get the irony in that last line,guess everyones too pissed off to laugh about it yet.

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  118. OneTrack (1,977 comments) says:

    kevinh – ” That decision will be to resign, …”

    Yeah, right. He still doesnt seem to think anything is wrong and he is just talking the talk. A few weeks and he will be back to condition normal. Len is in the trough for the long haul. He isnt going anywhere.

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  119. MH (558 comments) says:

    len was able to walk away on water,because of all the bloody wet bus tickets thrown at him. All his advisors are giving him the Just wait till the New Year….they’ll forget.

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  120. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Many people will forget MH but there are a few, like myself, who will be happy to put the knife into dear ol’ Len & give it a turn on a regular basis. Especially for the fun of watching the socialists squirm in the run up to next year’s general Election.

    Sucks to be a Jafa but at least the source of their embarrassment can be used to educate the electorate of the perils of voting for the troughers of the left. :)

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  121. Ross12 (930 comments) says:

    My early Xmas present ( thanks to the Courts)

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/20405204/greenpeace-fails-in-bid-to-stop-anadarko/

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  122. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    A man suffered a serious heart attack while shopping in a store.The store clerks

    Called 911 when they saw him collapse to the floor.

    The paramedics rushed the man to the nearest hospital where he had emergency

    Open heart bypass surgery..

    He awakened from the surgery to find himself in the care of nuns at the

    Catholic Hospital. A nun was seated next to his bed holding a clipboard

    Loaded with several forms, and a pen. She asked him how he was going to

    Pay for his treatment.

    “Do you have health insurance?” she asked.

    He replied in a raspy voice, “No health insurance.”

    The nun asked, “Do you have money in the bank?”

    He replied, “No money in the bank.”

    Do you have a relative who could help you with the payments?” asked the

    Irritated nun.

    He said, “I only have a spinster sister, and she is a nun.”

    The nun became agitated and announced loudly, “Nuns are not spinsters!

    Nuns are married to God.”

    The patient replied, “Perfect. Send the bill to my brother-in-law.

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  123. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    During a lady’s medical examination, the doctor says:-
    “Your heart, lungs, pulse and blood pressure are all fine. Now let me see the bit that gets you ladies into all kinds of trouble.”

    The lady starts taking off her underwear but is interrupted by the doctor.

    “No! No! Don’t remove your clothes… Just stick out your tongue!”

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  124. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    That’s despite this being raised at the meeting today:

    ‏@publicaddress

    Brewer wants “full and final disclosure” from Brown, inc “other girlfriends”.

    PG

    That’s because he truly believes nobody is going to ask, he truly believes all is good, he is truly a fuck wit on an epic scale

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  125. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Frederick II, the eighteenth-century king of Prussia, fancied
    himself an enlightened monarch, and in some respects he
    was. On one occasion he is supposed to have interested
    himself in conditions in the Berlin prison and was escorted
    through it so that he might speak to the prisoners. One after
    the other, the prisoners fell to their knees before him,
    bewailing their lot and, predictably, protesting their utter
    innocence of all charges that had been brought against them.

    Only one prisoner remained silent, and finally Frederick’s
    curiosity was aroused.
    “You,” he called. “You there.”

    The prisoner looked up. “Yes, Your Majesty?”

    “Why are you here?”

    “Armed robbery, Your Majesty.”

    “And are you guilty?”

    “Entirely guilty, Your Majesty. I deserve my punishment.”

    At this Frederick rapped his cane sharply on the ground and
    said, “Warden, release this guilty wretch at once. I will not
    have him here in jail, where, by example, he will corrupt
    all the splendid innocent people who occupy it.”

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  126. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    When the secretary entered the Mayor’s office one morning,
    he looked out the window and announced idly, “It’s certainly
    going to be a beautiful day.”

    “I don’t think so,” replied the secretary. “The weather
    forecast is for heavy rain.”

    “It’s not going to rain,” contradicted the Mayor.
    “I’ll lay you twelve to one.”

    “I’d rather not,” she remarked. “That’s my lunch hour,
    and I got to go to the Postshop.”

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  127. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…..The technical trading glitches seem a fair complaint. But aren’t earnings projections inherently speculative? Isn’t that the whole point in trading? You’re betting what might happen. Get it right you win, get it wrong you lose….”

    Yep – sort of!. And betting on earnings projections alone is inherently speculative.

    But that is generally not called ‘trading’ as earnings reports come out quaterly, it’s more then like ‘investing’[buying and forgetting about them for a period of time e.g 4 periods of earning reports.] Having ‘faith in the company’ in other words.

    ‘Trading’ is generally for much shorter periods of time – several days or several weeks. It’s all about the ‘action in the price, volume ect of the shares being traded’.

    Making ‘projections’ when ‘trading’ can be based upon almost anything e.g the voloume and price of shares being traded in 5 min intervals, or daily, or weekly ect. And yes you are betting of course on ‘what might happen’. So the main thing then to remember is to see what the ‘TREND’ has been doing over a period of time – regarding volume or price or whatever else you are using as an ‘indicator’. GENERALY it is better to buy in an ‘uptrend’ for mums and dads.

    Which brings me to the ‘get it right you win – get it wrong you lose’. Well, it doesn’t really matter! -

    But that’s if your aim over the year is to make a profit from trading – as it is only 1 trade you will make out of 20, 100 or even 500 over the year.

    But all that is dependant on how you manage your capital[your total amount of money available for trading]. e.g. If you invested $10k into each of 6 stocks out of an available $100k – some may inrease in value almost immediately whereas others may fall.

    The one’s increasing in price you then hold on to, while the others you are best to sell based upon a previously set market ‘indicator’ – OR – you sell if the lose you are seeing in ONE trade is greater than say 2% of your TOTAL trading capital – $2k of $100k.

    In other words – your initial $10k trade can sit in the market for as low as $8k before you need to sell it. Or, all 6 trades can sit at $48k before you need to sell them. That is so you can stay in a trade that may have gone down over one week, but that you believe is going to go up over three weeks. That is how you can preserve your $100k capital over your trading year.

    At other times, your trades may increase in value and you then sell them when a market indicator tells you to. And then you take your capital -which can include your profit also – and invest it in further trades that you have been studying.

    The main thing to remember is that studying the charts to select ‘stocks’ is different to managing ‘your total investment capital’ – in other words: managing your capital properly will manage your mistakes of stock selection. Your money then lasts if you are wrong, giving you the time to re-adjust the way you select stocks. And that’s how you CAN manage the risk of ‘being in the market’.

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  128. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Pants Down Brown

    The EY Review covered the period May 2011 to October 12 2013.
    Len Brown’s wife apparently did almost all the accommodation booking and Brown said [on Campbell Live] the earlier period of his Mayoralty saw greater use of such accommodation,
    so what of examining his expenses October 2010 to May 2011, the beginning of the affair – the period not covered by the Review?

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  129. Nookin (2,891 comments) says:

    Greenpeace may well be jubilant over the soviet decision but it sure as heck had its ass handed to it in a sling over the andarko proceedings.

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